Post by: wacki on August 18, 2008, 07:00:15 PM
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Chicago Defender Dec 13, 1999
Obama unveils federal gun bill
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.
At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.
Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison.
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.
He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.
He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.
Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.
Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.
With the support of Robert Hassin, chief executive officer of the Boys and Girls Club, Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
"Let's send a message that we can have a New Year's eve where no one fires a weapon either for the reason of violence or as a celebration," said Obama. "This would be the right way to start the Year 2000 and would set an example for our children.
"This home invasion is another example of how violence came close to home and we must have congressional action to help reduce gun deaths. Congress has been slow to act on these issues," he stated.
While Obama admits violent crimes in the U.S. are going down, he says the statistics on gun violence are still "staggering." He cites the Centers for Disease Control who on Nov. 19, 1999 stated there were 32,436 fatalities in the U.S. due to gun violence in 1997, or 12.1 deaths per 1,000 people.
Obama said there were also 64,207 non-fatal gun shootings during the same year which averages 265 people were shot each day in the U.S.
The U.S. firearm death rate per 100,000 people was 13.7 in 1995 versus 1.47 in Germany, 0.07 in Japan, and in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns, the rate was 0.57.
Obama unveils federal gun bill
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.
At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.
Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison.
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.
He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.
He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.
Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.
Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.
With the support of Robert Hassin, chief executive officer of the Boys and Girls Club, Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
"Let's send a message that we can have a New Year's eve where no one fires a weapon either for the reason of violence or as a celebration," said Obama. "This would be the right way to start the Year 2000 and would set an example for our children.
"This home invasion is another example of how violence came close to home and we must have congressional action to help reduce gun deaths. Congress has been slow to act on these issues," he stated.
While Obama admits violent crimes in the U.S. are going down, he says the statistics on gun violence are still "staggering." He cites the Centers for Disease Control who on Nov. 19, 1999 stated there were 32,436 fatalities in the U.S. due to gun violence in 1997, or 12.1 deaths per 1,000 people.
Obama said there were also 64,207 non-fatal gun shootings during the same year which averages 265 people were shot each day in the U.S.
The U.S. firearm death rate per 100,000 people was 13.7 in 1995 versus 1.47 in Germany, 0.07 in Japan, and in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns, the rate was 0.57.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 18, 2008, 07:02:39 PM
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in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns,
Post by: freakazoid on August 18, 2008, 08:45:07 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 18, 2008, 10:44:58 PM
I thought police didn't carry firearms over there?
There's a variety of units of various degrees of exclusivity that do. I understand that it's slowly spreading.
Post by: seeker_two on August 19, 2008, 01:15:42 AM
I thought police didn't carry firearms over there?
I thought police weren't allowed to defend themselves at all...kinda like the population in general....
Post by: Standing Wolf on August 19, 2008, 03:33:16 AM
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With the support of Robert Hassin, chief executive officer of the Boys and Girls Club, Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
A few vicious criminals commit crimes, so we need to punish everyone.
Stalin surely would have understood.
Post by: HankB on August 19, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
I thought police didn't carry firearms over there?
I've been through Gatwick a few times, and I assure you, the security forces there were armed.Heavily.
Yes, this was an airport, where you'd expect tighter security . . . I can't say anything about regular British street cops. As to whether they were police or some branch of the Brit Armed Forces I can't say . . . but to my eye, their uniforms appeared more like police than military uniforms.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 19, 2008, 04:24:41 AM
Remember the Brazilian electrician shot to death in the subway?
"the 27-year-old electrician had already been restrained by a surveillance officer before being shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder"
Post by: alan2 on August 19, 2008, 08:22:17 AM
The title is Obama's dream. Although it is truncated, it is his own words. We really need to go back in time and dig up Obama's own words in the days of old. I can't help but think that there are some very juicy items left undiscovered from Obama's unrestrained anti-gun era:
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Chicago Defender Dec 13, 1999
Obama unveils federal gun bill
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.
At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.
Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison.
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.
He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.
He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.
Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.
Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.
With the support of Robert Hassin, chief executive officer of the Boys and Girls Club, Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
"Let's send a message that we can have a New Year's eve where no one fires a weapon either for the reason of violence or as a celebration," said Obama. "This would be the right way to start the Year 2000 and would set an example for our children.
"This home invasion is another example of how violence came close to home and we must have congressional action to help reduce gun deaths. Congress has been slow to act on these issues," he stated.
While Obama admits violent crimes in the U.S. are going down, he says the statistics on gun violence are still "staggering." He cites the Centers for Disease Control who on Nov. 19, 1999 stated there were 32,436 fatalities in the U.S. due to gun violence in 1997, or 12.1 deaths per 1,000 people.
Obama said there were also 64,207 non-fatal gun shootings during the same year which averages 265 people were shot each day in the U.S.
The U.S. firearm death rate per 100,000 people was 13.7 in 1995 versus 1.47 in Germany, 0.07 in Japan, and in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns, the rate was 0.57.
Obama unveils federal gun bill
Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.
At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.
Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison.
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.
He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.
He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.
Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.
Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.
With the support of Robert Hassin, chief executive officer of the Boys and Girls Club, Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
"Let's send a message that we can have a New Year's eve where no one fires a weapon either for the reason of violence or as a celebration," said Obama. "This would be the right way to start the Year 2000 and would set an example for our children.
"This home invasion is another example of how violence came close to home and we must have congressional action to help reduce gun deaths. Congress has been slow to act on these issues," he stated.
While Obama admits violent crimes in the U.S. are going down, he says the statistics on gun violence are still "staggering." He cites the Centers for Disease Control who on Nov. 19, 1999 stated there were 32,436 fatalities in the U.S. due to gun violence in 1997, or 12.1 deaths per 1,000 people.
Obama said there were also 64,207 non-fatal gun shootings during the same year which averages 265 people were shot each day in the U.S.
The U.S. firearm death rate per 100,000 people was 13.7 in 1995 versus 1.47 in Germany, 0.07 in Japan, and in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns, the rate was 0.57.
Re the above quote from a Chicago publication that to some extent outlines Obama's gun control "thinking", I guess it is a good thing that the senator is a "supporter" of The Second Amendment. Just think of what his proposals might read like if he weren't.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2008, 08:45:56 AM
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Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
Because, in a world without guns, a bunch of young men could never harm an 84-year-old woman.
Post by: seeker_two on August 19, 2008, 11:04:57 AM
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Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
Because, in a world without guns, a bunch of young men could never harm an 84-year-old woman.
Not if we banned the lottery.......
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2008, 12:57:22 PM
Post by: Balog on August 19, 2008, 03:10:11 PM
I have no problem with wishing for a New Year's Eve without either violent crime or idiots "celebrating" by firing in the air.
Post by: Tallpine on August 19, 2008, 03:17:30 PM
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Obama said he chose the church for his announcement because it's near the site where several young men invaded the home of an [unarmed ] 84-year-old woman and killed her, falsely thinking she had won the lottery.
Fixed it for him
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2008, 03:54:34 PM
The article doesn't mention whether they had guns or not. But of course, when it's "several young men" against a presumably unarmed old lady, it wouldn't matter, would it?
Post by: alan2 on August 20, 2008, 06:31:41 AM
If a man has no sword, let him sell his cloak that he may buy one. By the way, regarding the persons who killed the old lady, they thought, had some lottery winnings, such animals were killing others long before the advent of either firearms or lottery prizes.
Post by: Tallpine on August 20, 2008, 07:57:16 AM
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If a man has no sword, let him sell his cloak that he may buy one.
That's actually in the New Testament
Plenty of swords, fighting, giants, torture, etc in the Old Testament though.
There was one point where the Hebrews were rebuilding the city wall with one hand while holding a sword in the other.
Post by: alan2 on August 20, 2008, 08:18:12 AM
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If a man has no sword, let him sell his cloak that he may buy one.
That's actually in the New Testament
Plenty of swords, fighting, giants, torture, etc in the Old Testament though.
There was one point where the Hebrews were rebuilding the city wall with one hand while holding a sword in the other.
Re your closing note, sort of like the combat engineers. Otherwise, I stand corrected.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 20, 2008, 12:18:50 PM
"Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 20, 2008, 08:16:56 PM
Plenty of swords, fighting, giants, torture, etc in the Old Testament though.
Just as long as there's no kissing, Grandpa.
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If a man has no sword, let him sell his cloak that he may buy one.
The words of
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 20, 2008, 08:39:39 PM
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Just as long as there's no kissing, Grandpa.
Remember that some of the stories in that book have been made into porn movies.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 20, 2008, 08:50:23 PM
Ever seen The Princess Bride?
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 20, 2008, 08:56:21 PM
Hm. I did not know that.
Ever seen The Princess Bride?
Ever seen The Princess Bride?
Saw the first few minutes. Was bored.
The story of Lot and his daughters, IIRC, was adopted into a variety of 'erotic stories' (i.e. smut) and even a film at one point.
Post by: seeker_two on August 21, 2008, 01:04:28 AM
Hm. I did not know that.
Ever seen The Princess Bride?
Ever seen The Princess Bride?
Saw the first few minutes. Was bored.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 21, 2008, 02:18:53 AM
But anyway, Micro, you apparently reacted just like Fred Savage's character. "Eww, kissing."
Post by: Manedwolf on August 21, 2008, 03:09:48 AM
Lot and his daughters?! Of all the juicy stories one could pick - nasty.
But anyway, Micro, you apparently reacted just like Fred Savage's character. "Eww, kissing."
But anyway, Micro, you apparently reacted just like Fred Savage's character. "Eww, kissing."
I loved that movie. It was about the dialogue, not CG-fest action.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 21, 2008, 08:27:35 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on August 21, 2008, 09:21:36 AM
You saw the movie about Lot and his daughters?
If one exists, I do not want to know anything about it.
I meant Princess Bride, of course.
Post by: LAK on August 23, 2008, 03:26:04 AM
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Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13
Wonder who wrote this nonsense for him; teaching kids below the age of reason "anger management"?It's quite simple though; it's called corporal punishment. Even five years olds get the message, even though they don't actually understand why until much later on.
As for "funding", just how much does a cane rod in every school actually cost?
Post by: wacki on August 23, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
Obama is indeed a nightmare come true for those who love freedom. Mangling an out of context quote to try and "prove" that is neither necessary nor effective.
I used the maximum amount of characters available for the title. As I said in my opening paragraph it is truncated. If you can think of a better title please educate me.
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I have no problem with wishing for a New Year's Eve without either violent crime or idiots "celebrating" by firing in the air.
I'm with you on that one. But are half the laws discussed in this article really going to prevent that? I don't think so.
Post by: BReilley on August 24, 2008, 07:17:17 AM
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in England, where Obama says even the police don't carry guns,
"I won't let you make fun of my hat!"
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 24, 2008, 10:43:57 AM
British police don't carry guns? Like hell they don't. They have full-auto HKs.
Remember the Brazilian electrician shot to death in the subway?
"the 27-year-old electrician had already been restrained by a surveillance officer before being shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder"
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
Remember the Brazilian electrician shot to death in the subway?
"the 27-year-old electrician had already been restrained by a surveillance officer before being shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder"
Post by: seeker_two on August 25, 2008, 01:36:42 AM
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
So they're picking the German weapon over the Belgian weapon (FNH P-90)?....someone's not reading their history books....
Post by: Manedwolf on August 25, 2008, 04:06:03 AM
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
So they're picking the German weapon over the Belgian weapon (FNH P-90)?....someone's not reading their history books....
9mm is better for putting down citizens who are just in the wrong place and aren't wearing body armor.
Post by: seeker_two on August 25, 2008, 05:43:31 AM
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
So they're picking the German weapon over the Belgian weapon (FNH P-90)?....someone's not reading their history books....
9mm is better for putting down citizens who are just in the wrong place and aren't wearing body armor.
I thought the MP-7 was that funky 4.6mm gun...
...yep, I was right....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP-7
Post by: Manedwolf on August 25, 2008, 05:50:25 AM
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
So they're picking the German weapon over the Belgian weapon (FNH P-90)?....someone's not reading their history books....
9mm is better for putting down citizens who are just in the wrong place and aren't wearing body armor.
I thought the MP-7 was that funky 4.6mm gun...
...yep, I was right....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP-7
Oh, my mistake. I don't pay much attention to their guns that they won't sell to the proles.
Post by: seeker_two on August 25, 2008, 06:18:22 AM
I read that they've placed an order for quite a lot of H&K MP7's...
So they're picking the German weapon over the Belgian weapon (FNH P-90)?....someone's not reading their history books....
9mm is better for putting down citizens who are just in the wrong place and aren't wearing body armor.
I thought the MP-7 was that funky 4.6mm gun...
...yep, I was right....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP-7
Oh, my mistake. I don't pay much attention to their guns that they won't sell to the proles.
....or can be afforded on a prole's paycheck....
Post by: Antibubba on August 26, 2008, 10:58:59 PM
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You saw the movie about Lot and his daughters?
Skip it--the language is way too salty.
Post by: Tallpine on August 27, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
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You saw the movie about Lot and his daughters?
Skip it--the language is way too salty.
Thanks a lot