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Title: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: GigaBuist on January 03, 2009, 01:26:17 AM
Working from home the other day I saw an opossum in the back yard digging around.  Right where the dog gets to run about on his line.  I thought I'd do a little experiment and see how the dog treated random wild animals.  Ya see, he's likely got some of that Evil Demon Pit Bull in him, which is supposed to make him want to kill anything that moves according to the media.  From experience I know he's good with cats, infants, toddlers, small children, and adults, but thought there might be a chance he'd go wonky on the thing and kill it.

If he's got an aggression I'd like to know about it well in advance.

So, I let him out after making sure he spotted the critter through the window.  He ran straight at it, sniffed it, it fell down playing dead, he sniffed it again, wandered 10 feet away, took a dump, and walked back to the door.  That's about what I expected of him.

In hindsight I remembered that opossum are nocturnal and they shouldn't be out during the day.  I feel like a real idiot putting my dog into that situation now.

Is just being out during the day enough reason to assume an opossum is rabid and put it down?  If I march out into the yard and the thing goes into "play dead" mode should I assume it's OK and just let it be?
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Azrael256 on January 03, 2009, 01:32:00 AM
If it were a raccoon, its existence would indicate rabies.  For a possum, no.  They're immune.

Well, not immune immune, but you should buy lottery tickets if you find a rabid one, 'cause probability is on your side that day.  You pretty much have to be a mad scientist with a big syringe of distilled hydrophobia serum to infect a possum.  Or Irwin.  He spreads rabies just walking around.

Doesn't the dog get his yearly shot anyway?
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: K Frame on January 03, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
Your dog is vaccinated, correct?

And yes, rabies in possums is very rare, but not unknown.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: MechAg94 on January 03, 2009, 09:32:27 AM
I would think the fact that is played dead would tell you that it didn't have rabies, or at least wasn't suffering from it. 

I remember some years ago seeing a possum who had wandered in front of the door of a bowling alley which was a couple miles outside of town.  A friend and I walked up on it and it just sat there at the door hissing at us and acting all aggressive.  Before we could do anything, another guy walked out the door, saw it, and immediately stomped on it which is boots and killed it.  All the while his girlfriend is in distress that he killed a cute animal.  Anyway, that is the only time I have seen a possum act like that and I figured it had rabies or something else wrong with it or it wouldn't have walked up into the brightly lit entry way of the bowling alley. 
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: thumbody on January 03, 2009, 09:34:54 AM
The only way to check for rabies is to send the carcass in for testing.
They need to test the brain so if you must destroy a suspected animal do not shoot it in the head!
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: lee n. field on January 03, 2009, 09:48:53 AM
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All the while his girlfriend is in distress that he killed a cute animal. 

"Cute animal" -- are sure it was a possum?  They're about the ugliest thing out there.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Bigjake on January 03, 2009, 10:29:04 AM
Like the others said, Kinda rare in possums.

In coons, if you seen one stumbling around looking dazed during daylight hours, that hisses and stands it's ground when you approach it, it's probably rabid.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: GigaBuist on January 03, 2009, 10:02:47 PM
Your dog is vaccinated, correct?

And yes, rabies in possums is very rare, but not unknown.

Yeah, dog is up to date on his vaccination shots.

Guess I won't worry about random opossum in the back yard from here on out.  Thanks guys.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 03, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
i wouldn't worry about it too much.

i let sadie go after one in my moms front yard. she ran and hit it full force, throwing it a couple yards through the air. it, predictably, played dead. she sniffed for awhile, then wandered off to do sadie things. i put her back in the house and then sat on the picnic table to see how long it would stay "dead". it took a good five minutes. those suckers are really good at it too. this one even had its tounge half hanging out like you see on really dead animals.

funny enough, i'm pretty sure that possem is still living in the area around the house. pearl used to go nuts when we lived there for awhile and he'd be snuffling around the backyard.

for the record. possems are cute in an ugly sort of way. kind of "its so ugly, its cute"  :lol:
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: seeker_two on January 03, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
If it's in walking distance & I can see it, it's rabid....and a designated target....

All the while his girlfriend is in distress that he killed a cute animal. 


I'd worry about her definition of "cuteness"....esp. if she was dating at the time....  =D
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Boomhauer on January 03, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
My father had a german shepard mix that would play with possums. He'd go find one, carry it back to the yard in his mouth while it was playing dead, drop it in the yard, and watch it. When it woke up, he'd pick it up and throw it in the air. Possum would play dead again, and the process would repeat.

Oh, and rabies or no rabies, if a possum fights back, it can hurt a dog pretty badly...

Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 03, 2009, 10:41:05 PM
this thread reminds me of the one and only 'possem hound' Northwest. when i was a kid and we first moved in with dad, we had problems with possems attepting to take up residence under the house. Northwest took issue with the interlopers and would flush them out and chase them up a tree. dad would pull out the 'possem gun' (a charter arms AR-7) and shoot them. when they fell out of the tree, Northwest would be all cocky and walk up, sniff 'em and then lift his leg and pee on the possem like he was saying "now, what, you punk!"
 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Tallpine on January 04, 2009, 11:24:13 AM
If the "Possum" starts moaning about old lost loves, then you have a problem  =D
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: roo_ster on January 04, 2009, 12:58:20 PM
this thread reminds me of the one and only 'possem hound'...

:)

My BIL inadvertently trained up a "skunk dog," Junior, who would tear after a skunk, forsaking all rational quarry.

Junior was not impaired by getting sprayed, it just made him hate skunks even more.

If you weren't a skunk, Junior was a sweet dog, though was always a little skunky smelling, even after numerous baths an weeks since his last cose encounter with skunk kind.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Bogie on January 04, 2009, 10:55:46 PM
Who cares if a possum is rabid or not.
 
You shot it, right?
 
It's dead, right?
 
Right?
 
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Harold Tuttle on January 04, 2009, 10:59:13 PM
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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: slzy on January 05, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
i "figure" rabies are rare in possums for the same reason it is rare in rats amd nice;whatever bit them probably also killed them out right.

all the bats i found in the basement had all the symptoms of rabies,according to rabies sites,found in place you would not expect,like a basement room,in broad daylight[check],that could'nt fly[check again].

took all of them to cdc,they all died from distemper.

to check for rabies,they remove the brains,put it in a blender with some medium,wait a while,and look at it through a black light.[this may not be entirely accurate,but close].  if you have been bitten,you have to take the cure,because rabies will have developed before the test come back.

if i was bob barker,i would emphasize that unvaccinated feral offspring getting and spreading rabies is the strongest motivator to have your pet speyed or neutered.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 05, 2009, 12:14:08 PM
i  know they make lil fish cake baits that contain a rabies vaccine. they air dropped em in alexandria some years back to slow a rabies outbreak  if anyone can find out where to get some of those baits please post it
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: El Tejon on January 05, 2009, 12:27:59 PM
I usually send out a subpoena duces tecum for the possum's medical file.

If I get a bunch of HIPPA flak, I do a deposition and ask the possum under oath if it is rabid.

Last time I sat a possum down, it bit the deputy prosecutor and then ran into a vent in the conference room.  Most excitement I've had in months. =D
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: mtnbkr on January 05, 2009, 12:30:57 PM
Last time I sat a possum down, it bit the deputy prosecutor...

Did the possum die?

Chris
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: seeker_two on January 05, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
Did the possum die?

Chris

...or did it just need rabies shots afterward?....
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: crt360 on January 06, 2009, 09:34:13 PM
i "figure" rabies are rare in possums for the same reason it is rare in rats amd nice;whatever bit them probably also killed them out right.

I caught a possum a few weeks ago that was freakin' huge.  I've caught some big ones, but this one had a head about six inches wide and was eagerly chewing through the wire.  I have a feeling it won a few fights.
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Balog on January 06, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
"Cute animal" -- are sure it was a possum?  They're about the ugliest thing out there.

Take it back meany!  :mad:

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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Harold Tuttle on January 07, 2009, 12:23:27 AM
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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Viking on January 07, 2009, 03:35:40 AM
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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: 209 on January 07, 2009, 04:10:38 AM
Around my place in CT, the problem with the noturnal beasties is that they're seemingly adapting to daylight.  I see a lot more opossums, skunks and raccoons out and about in the day.  Back when I was younger, it was a rare sight.

Distemper is by far the bigger issue (at least that's what the wildlife officials say) with them and one acting oddly is likely to have that. 

But according to the CT DOAG:

During the month of April 1991 the first two cases of rabid raccoon were confirmed in the town of Ridgefield. Since that time every city and town in Connecticut has had confirmed cases of rabies. Connecticut has a total of 6,069 confirmed cases of rabies as of June 22, 2008.

The following is a breakdown of the type and number of confirmed rabid animals:

4593 raccoons
1177 skunks
114 cats
71 foxes
60 woodchucks
15 cows
9 dogs
8 horses
3 deer
3 bobcats
3 sheep
1 oppossum
1 otter
1 ferret


So if that's any indication, your opossum was "probably" not rabid.  It seems the other posters are right.  They must not get it too often.  That's an interesting factiod- here I always assumed the worst.  Still, I shoot a lot of opossums (opossumi ?  :laugh: ) and alway shoot the ones around in the daytime.



Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Bogie on January 07, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
We lots of possums around here in daytime. Their preferred location seems to be basking in the sunlight either in a road or next to it...
 
Actually saw an armadillo doing that a few weeks ago too... Looked so comfy, all four legs in the air...
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: seeker_two on January 07, 2009, 11:37:22 AM

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Now that's a face only a shotgun could love....  =D
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Balog on January 07, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
I've always wanted a possum for a pet. Raise it from a baby so it's tame.....
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2009, 12:01:13 PM
Now that's a face only a shotgun could love....  =D
Hey, I think I was in high school at that time and so was that other girl.  Small and furry often equals cute as long as it doesn't have 8 legs or is a rat. 
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Harold Tuttle on January 07, 2009, 12:07:28 PM
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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Harold Tuttle on January 07, 2009, 12:09:23 PM
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Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
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How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?

I can always tell by the taste. 
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: crt360 on January 08, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
I can always tell by the taste. 

Do you kill them first, or just sneak up and lick them?
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 08, 2009, 07:51:19 PM
Hey, I think I was in high school at that time and so was that other girl.  Small and furry often equals cute as long as it doesn't have 8 legs or is a rat. 

i had many pet rats over the years. and they were very cute, thankyouverymuch!

 :lol:

 
Title: Re: How'd you know if an opossum was rabid?
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 09, 2009, 02:23:58 AM
Five Pounds of Possum In My Headlights Tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FKuqCMeKO4&feature=related

My Dad's idea of a happenin' Saturday night.   =)