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Title: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 41magsnub on August 01, 2010, 11:24:47 AM
Grr...

I was out working in the yard and I heard a flock of geese as they went right over my house too late to run for cover.  I took 2 goose crap hits..  one in the chest and one in my right cheek.

I.  Hate.  Geese.

I'm almost serious about the shooting part!  I'd use steel shot..  that would make it ok right?   >:D
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Doggy Daddy on August 01, 2010, 11:27:21 AM
That's supposed to bring good luck, right?  You should be double lucky.  Surely you feel double lucky.

DD
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 01, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
non migratory "canadian" geese need to meet the coyote

They nest in the median strips of access ramps, every pond has a landmine field of poo, and they seem to enjoy staining vinyl siding.
They need a culling.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: HankB on August 01, 2010, 11:44:06 AM
Confucious say . . . nothing illegal unless you get caught.  >:D
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: P5 Guy on August 01, 2010, 11:55:01 AM
Confucious say . . . nothing illegal unless you get caught.  >:D

And you can eat the evidence.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 230RN on August 01, 2010, 11:56:16 AM
Bird bombing is weird.   There's a kind of "air traffic corridor" between my apartment and a thick line of trees where flocks of them fly through and umpty-billion of them also have nests in those trees.

For some bird-brained reason every once in a while they'll choose a car in our parking lot to bomb.  Last year it was my next-door neighbor's car  --twice in three days.  He'd come out in the morning and his vehicle would look like someone took a couple of cans of white paint and splattered it on his car from all angles.  (And a few small cans of green and brown paint.)  He could hardly see through the windows.

Here's the layout/target area. Reconnaisance photo taken from my balcony... a bird's-eye view. That's my car --the last space in the parking lot.  The white stuff is snow, not bird doo.

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This year they chose my car and about two months ago the same thing happened to my vehicle.  My turn to cuss 'n fuss, but I figured if they followed the pattern (it has happened before to other cars) they'd do it twice, and that would be that. 

Sure enough, two days later they carpet-bombed it again. But they were pretty accurate.  Hardly any of it was on the ground.... I'd say 90% of it was on my car.  Almost like they had little Norden Bombsights and crosshairs built into their little avian eyes and brains.  So as I was unlocking it, I hollered, "OK, you guys, you had your fun, now lay off, huh?"

Nothing for two weeks, then they chose somebody else's car.

True story.  No lie.  I do know flocks of little birds will "mob" a threatening bigger bird and force it to the ground, and then drop tons of crap on it until it can't fly any more from getting all wet and gooky... I've seen this on one of those nature shows by Richard Attenborough (sp?).

I mean, it was not like my car, or the other cars, were threatening or anything --they parked out there all the time.  Just one day they'll decide, "Hey, let's get that Audi."  and the next time around, one will suggest, "Hey, let's get that Chevy."

You can't tell me non-verbal species can't think and devise ways to have fun like that.  There was no other reason for it but to make mischief, like little kids.

They seem to skip a day.  Maybe to give you a chance to get your car washed.  Maybe just to "re-arm."

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Bigjake on August 01, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
Confucious say . . . nothing illegal unless you get caught.  >:D

I've heard from coyote hunters that Geese just stand there if you whack them from 300 yards,  they don't connect the report with their buddy getting splattered..
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Tuco on August 01, 2010, 01:25:39 PM
They are migratory birds and the penalties regarding hunting them out of season are NWS territory.
Your state undoubtedly has rules regarding the methods for taking migratory waterfowl as well.

Having said that, they are a filthy critter with no manners.  I, for one, wish they'd never made their glorious comeback and Mallard, Black and Wood ducks were at a healthier level.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: AJ Dual on August 01, 2010, 01:33:57 PM
I've long advocated hooking up the homeless of Milwaukee with retired rental golf-clubs from the municipal park courses, and a $1.00-a beak bounty. And they get to keep the meat.

You'd kill two birds with one stone. Pun intended.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 280plus on August 01, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
and a $1.00-a beak bounty.
There's something fundamentally wrong there but I still love it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 41magsnub on August 01, 2010, 01:47:53 PM
They are migratory birds and the penalties regarding hunting them out of season are NWS territory.
Your state undoubtedly has rules regarding the methods for taking migratory waterfowl as well.


It wasn't a serious question..  I think we are all pretty familiar with the hunting regs.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Bigjake on August 01, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
I've long advocated hooking up the homeless of Milwaukee with retired rental golf-clubs from the municipal park courses, and a $1.00-a beak bounty. And they get to keep the meat.

You'd kill two birds with one stone. Pun intended.

You'd have more donations than birds to fill em',  if you passed the hat around here.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: HankB on August 01, 2010, 06:14:48 PM
THIS is the car you need:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSex9VxlwI
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Gowen on August 01, 2010, 06:38:58 PM
I think an air gun with a scope would be in order, low noise, not likely to attract PD, DWL, etc.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: S. Williamson on August 01, 2010, 08:55:21 PM
 ;/

A bang is still a bang.  Quieter doesn't mean it draws less attention - if you've got uppity neighbors, they'll be on the way to the phone when they see you with a rifle, and dialing when they hear the pop.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: AJ Dual on August 01, 2010, 09:17:01 PM
That's why you Shoot from well back in the room from a partially open window. Turns the whole house into a suppressor of sorts.  :angel:

Oh, and a barely sub-sonic .22 is best.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Bigjake on August 01, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
That's why you Shoot from well back in the room from a partially open window. Turns the whole house into a suppressor of sorts.  :angel:

Oh, and a barely sub-sonic .22 is best.

CB Longs out of a rifle with a reasonably long barrel.  All you hear is a little snap/clicky sound.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: HankB on August 02, 2010, 09:13:44 AM
CB Longs out of a rifle with a reasonably long barrel.  All you hear is a little snap/clicky sound.
Aguila Colibri out of a 10/22 is quieter than most spring-piston airguns . . . but do be careful when using these in an urban environment.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: AJ Dual on August 02, 2010, 09:45:17 AM
Minor point.

An airgun might garner you a bit less legal trouble vs. a "real firearm" should all your OPSEC preparations fail you.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: castle key on August 02, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
I am going to have a safari in Arlington, VA.

We will go after one of the most elusive beasts known to man...a dangerous animal.

My neighbor has a Norway Rat that appears to have taken up residence in his garage. This prey also seems to have some relatives that may be doing real estate comps under my deck.

Location Location Location!!!

I have aquired .177 worth of firepower in an attempt to hunt effectively but discreetly. Fortunately, my neighbor with the resident of his garage will not complain, however I must be careful about the one on my other side.

I need a pith helmet.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on August 02, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
I think a monocle would be in order as well.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on August 02, 2010, 10:20:44 AM
I think a monocle would be in order as well.

Indubitably, my good man, indubitably....
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 230RN on August 02, 2010, 11:37:38 AM
HankB suggested:

Quote
THIS is the car you need:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSex9VxlwI

Yer right.  A Birdapult. 

I was reluctant to open that link because of the filename, but it seems SFW.  I wonder why they used that.


Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Jamisjockey on August 02, 2010, 01:31:32 PM
They are migratory birds and the penalties regarding hunting them out of season are NWS territory.
Your state undoubtedly has rules regarding the methods for taking migratory waterfowl as well.

Having said that, they are a filthy critter with no manners.  I, for one, wish they'd never made their glorious comeback and Mallard, Black and Wood ducks were at a healthier level.

I'm pretty confident the thread was started in jest.  If I'd suspected the OP was really contemplating committing a federal crime, I'd have called Barry Oh myself.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: GigaBuist on August 02, 2010, 01:40:05 PM
Back when I lived in an apartment there was a pond just outside my back sliding door.  Around migration time it wasn't uncommon to find 60-70 geese back there making noise.

I know you can't just slaughter the suckers, but boy did I fantasize about buying a nice sharp katana and running out there one night screaming, "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 02, 2010, 02:13:15 PM
Isn't there some spray or something that you can spray around your house to repel them? I know there's one for pigeons.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 230RN on August 02, 2010, 04:24:20 PM
^ Ain't gonna stop the air-drops.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 41magsnub on August 02, 2010, 04:46:37 PM
Maybe rocketman can rig up a rudimentary guidance system for some cheap Estes model rockets!  A mini-SAM battery on my roof would be justified right?
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Boomhauer on August 02, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
You want to talk about stupid...

At one of the airports I fly out of...the idiots in the county decided to build a nature preserve swamp out right beside it. OK, the bird problem was bad after that.

Then the same geniuses decided to build a feeding ground. No, not where the birds would fly farther away from the airport. No no, they build it diagonally across the airport a couple of miles away.

So, the damn birds fly ACROSS the airport in massive flocks about twice a day to get to their feeding grounds in a straight line.

Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: PTK on August 02, 2010, 04:53:05 PM
...wow. Really? You'd think that amount of negligence would actually be illegal.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 41magsnub on August 02, 2010, 05:08:57 PM
The second question would be why build a goose feeding ground at all, anywhere?
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Boomhauer on August 02, 2010, 05:11:01 PM
...wow. Really? You'd think that amount of negligence would actually be illegal.

I *expletive deleted* you not. It's the truth

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The second question would be why build a goose feeding ground at all, anywhere?

It's not a goose feeding ground...it's just a general bird feeding ground (but I understand the geese pay visits, too).


And it gets better. The "solution" to the bird problem was to buy a $15,000 dog (and hire a handler) to chase them away from the airport.

Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: PTK on August 02, 2010, 05:33:34 PM
My solution would involve a silenced 28ga shotgun and a nice heavy subsonic load of #7 lead.... ;)
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Boomhauer on August 02, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
My solution would involve a silenced 28ga shotgun and a nice heavy subsonic load of #7 lead.... ;)

I was like, what, they couldn't go to Wallyworld and buy a $200 Rem 870 Express?

I found out about this while talking to one of the controllers. She was basically doing a facepalm the whole time while going "And you know what, those f****** idiots did..."

Surely someone at the airport was a gunny (after all this is the South) and would have loved to take care of the bird problem...
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on August 02, 2010, 11:12:03 PM
Maybe rocketman can rig up a rudimentary guidance system for some cheap Estes model rockets!  A mini-SAM battery on my roof would be justified right?

Perhaps a jerry rigged mini metalstorm?
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2010, 02:52:42 AM
Are we sure the guy responsible for the planning isn't an AQ infiltrator?
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: RocketMan on August 03, 2010, 05:10:02 AM
Rocketman runs out to his shop, laughing maniacally, "Muwhahahahahahaha!"  Much muttering is heard amongst the sounds of many tools being used, "Dead birds, dead birdies, dead birds very soon."
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: seeker_two on August 03, 2010, 08:46:27 AM
Certainly an airbursting nosecone isn't too hard to develop....maybe even using something like dried corn or avacado seeds as a payload....to be environmentally conscious and all....  =D
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: Jimmy Dean on August 03, 2010, 10:39:58 AM
I *expletive deleted* you not. It's the truth

It's not a goose feeding ground...it's just a general bird feeding ground (but I understand the geese pay visits, too).


And it gets better. The "solution" to the bird problem was to buy a $15,000 dog (and hire a handler) to chase them away from the airport.




shooooot,  I woulda sold them my mom's dog for alot less than that!   tiny little thing, but it loves to chase the geese away from the house.....on occasion they don't wanna be chased and they will flare up at the dog and chase it away.

We actually had to give the dog a collar that would make noise so that it cannot get the jump on the geese.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: brimic on August 03, 2010, 10:46:56 AM
I wouldn't want to get caught in my state.....

The WDNR has rediculous and completely unchecked powers in my state.
If they caught you shooting geese out of season on some backroad, they can confiscate just about everything you have besides the clothes you are wearing (this includes your vehicle and firearms) as being tools 'used for poaching.'

I wouldn't want to test their powers by being caught shooting geese off my back porch. =(
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: 41magsnub on August 03, 2010, 10:55:33 AM
Again...  not a serious question.

However..  last night I was trying to come up with just how many crimes could be commited by doing this at my house.

1.  Poaching
2.  Discharge of a firearm in the city limits
3.  hunting within 500' of an occupied structure.
4.  reckless endangerment by firing over my neighbors houses
5.  I'm in the landing pattern for the airport, I'm sure something would come out of that
6.  I would be shooting toward a school that is across the road which would surely result in some type of charge
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: AJ Dual on August 03, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
IMO...

A "HIGH VOLTAGE electrical accident" may be more convenient.

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You might need to go to 440v for a goose though. And you might want to bridge the breaker and get a big knife switch too.
Title: Re: Penalty for out of season goose hunting + discharging a firearm in the city?
Post by: seeker_two on August 03, 2010, 03:21:23 PM
....and, if the game warden asks, just tell them that you'd misplaced your popcorn popper....  ;)