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Title: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: roo_ster on February 14, 2012, 12:16:14 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099708/Buffy-Vampire-Slayer-decides-abortion-having-drunken-unprotected-sex-party.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I guess Joss Whedon has continued a bunch of BVS comic books after the show ended in 2003. 

His latest feminism uber alles ploy is to have BVS get sloppy drunk, sleep with lots of guys and get knocked up.  Too bad BVS didn't get a basic knowledge of birth control to go with her super powers.

Here, I am not making this up:
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He told told Entertainment Weekly: 'A woman's right to choose is under attack as much as it's ever been, and that's a terrible and dangerous thing for this country.

'I don't usually get soap box-y with this, but the thing about Buffy is all she's going through is what women go through, and what nobody making a speech, holding up a placard, or making a movie is willing to say.

'It's something that over a third of American women are going to decide to have to do in their lives. But people are so terrified that no one will discuss the reality of it — not no one, but very few popular entertainments, even when they say they're dealing with this issue, they don't, and won't. It's frustrating to me. I don't think Buffy should have a baby. I don't think Buffy can take care of a baby. I agree with Buffy.'

So, in order to promote abortion, Whedon sets up a situation where the protagonist is an unemployable black-out drunk who sleeps around so frequently she can't figure out with whom she got knocked up.  Oh, yeah, I can see this comic book flying off the shelves with the comic book kid demographic.

It is odd that Whedon does not see that this makes feminism look ugly & tawdry.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2012, 01:07:19 PM
Well, roo_ster, this is a guy who thinks he is defending the "right to choose" by writing comic books about a girl that fights vampires. Don't expect too much from him.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: TommyGunn on February 14, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
I got an idea that can save this tawdriness! =D
She gets knocked up by a vampire!!!! =D [tinfoil]
So she gets to have to abort a vampire baby! =D
That way the main theme of the series remains intact and Buffy remains a hero! =D





Wait ..... that doesn't really eliminate the "tawdriness" of this .... does it?..... [popcorn]


Oooooooops.


 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MicroBalrog on February 14, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Well, roo_ster, this is a guy who thinks he is defending the "right to choose" by writing comic books about a girl that fights vampires. Don't expect too much from him.

Narrative art is motivated by the author's values, film at 11.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: wmenorr67 on February 14, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Put her in a Twilight movie and have her have to choose between Jacob or Edward.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: roo_ster on February 14, 2012, 02:17:30 PM
So she gets to have to abort a vampire baby! =D

Does that involve a really tiny wooden stake?

Put her in a Twilight movie and have her have to choose between Jacob or Edward.

That one involves a bottle of whiskey and a bottle of sleeping pills.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Jamie B on February 14, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
Put her in a Twilight movie and have her have to choose between Jacob or Edward.
Well, maybe she wouldn't even have to choose..... =D
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: longeyes on February 14, 2012, 02:19:30 PM
I thought they propagated by biting. 

The only vampires and zombies are the politicians and the electorate, respectively.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 14, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
Put her in a Twilight movie and have her have to choose between Jacob or Edward.
Judging by the description, she would get drunk and take both. 
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 14, 2012, 02:28:04 PM
First, if he wanted reality, she would end up with curable and incurable venereal disease of one type or another.  Throw in some drugs, a couple arrests, and a tasing for good measure.

Second, I guess in his world, the woman's right to choose is to go on a drinking binge, screw everyone in sight, and not have to accept the consequences.  It seems to me that pregnancy is by far not the worst consequence.

Third and most crude, he would sell more comics if he focused on the drinking binge and the relevant activities; save the last page for the whole right to choose mess.  Heard it before anyway.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Jamie B on February 14, 2012, 02:28:25 PM
Let the vampire child live!!

She could be another Kate Beckinsale!

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Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Narrative art is motivated by the author's values, film at 11.

Oh, no doubt. It's just funny that he seems to think of it as weighty commentary that everyone else is afraid to say.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: roo_ster on February 14, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Oh, no doubt. It's just funny that he seems to think of it as weighty commentary that everyone else is afraid to say.

Cheap courage to say what everyone else in one's industry says.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MicroBalrog on February 14, 2012, 07:38:47 PM
Judging by the description, she would get drunk and take both. 

A great improvement on the original Twilight.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: De Selby on February 14, 2012, 07:56:03 PM
Oh, no doubt. It's just funny that he seems to think of it as weighty commentary that everyone else is afraid to say.

It is fairly controversial - how many other people have portrayed a heroine as having an abortion on television?  

Just because most of hollywood supports abortion doesn't mean they're willing to weave it into their TV shows, and they mostly do not.

Edit: Yes, I see this is a comic book - comic books are a much darker, more controversial medium than TV and always have been.  Not so courageous after all.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: LadySmith on February 14, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
I could see Faith doing this, but not Buffy.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 14, 2012, 10:35:21 PM

Edit: Yes, I see this is a comic book - comic books are a much darker (in a very shallow sort of way), more controversial medium than TV and always have been.  Not so courageous after all.
I've read comics.  They really aren't so dark and controversial.  They try to be, but can't really do it with any depth and mostly it is just too contrived like a lot of TV dramas.  From what I remember they rarely if ever buck the politically correct opinion. 
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2012, 11:09:04 PM
I've read comics.  They really aren't so dark and controversial.  They try to be, but can't really do it with any depth and mostly it is just too contrived like a lot of TV dramas.  From what I remember they rarely if ever buck the politically correct opinion. 

Not that Buffy's right to choose is anything other than politically correct.  =)
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 15, 2012, 09:44:07 AM
Not that Buffy's right to choose is anything other than politically correct.  =)
Yeah, where was her right to choose with regard to becoming the Slayer?  Where is the right to choose for all the women the vampires kill?  Just like real life, right to choose is only important as an argument for abortion.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: dogmush on February 15, 2012, 10:08:00 AM
Yeah, where was her right to choose with regard to becoming the Slayer?  Where is the right to choose for all the women the vampires kill?  Just like real life, right to choose is only important as an argument for abortion.

What about all the Vegan vampires she slays?  What about their right to choose?
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: zxcvbob on February 15, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
What about all the Vegan vampires she slays?  What about their right to choose?

What about the unborn baby's right to choose?
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Balog on February 15, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
I've read comics.  They really aren't so dark and controversial.  They try to be, but can't really do it with any depth and mostly it is just too contrived like a lot of TV dramas.  From what I remember they rarely if ever buck the politically correct opinion. 

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/09/holy-terror-frank-miller/

He also has been vocally anti-OWS.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: 230RN on February 19, 2012, 11:46:03 AM
longeyes quipped:

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The only vampires and zombies are the politicians and the electorate, respectively.

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Terry, 230RN

Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 19, 2012, 04:00:54 PM
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/09/holy-terror-frank-miller/

He also has been vocally anti-OWS.
Thanks, but I have no intention of going back to comics.  Too many good books I haven't read. 

As an aside, books like David Drake's Hammer's Slammers stories are dark.  Few comics reach that level.  On the entertainment side, books like Monster Hunter International and Rats, Bats, and Vats are way more entertaining. 

That said, I still have to watch all the comic hero movies coming out no matter how bad. Too buried in my childhood imagination.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MicroBalrog on February 19, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
And anyway, 'dark' doesn't equal 'good' or even 'smart' or 'insightful'.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: zxcvbob on February 20, 2012, 01:47:33 AM
And anyway, 'dark' doesn't equal 'good' or even 'smart' or 'insightful'.

Racist!
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: MechAg94 on February 20, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
And anyway, 'dark' doesn't equal 'good' or even 'smart' or 'insightful'.
Yeah, dark just means the author tries to avoid anything resembling a happy ending.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: Balog on February 21, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
Thanks, but I have no intention of going back to comics.  Too many good books I haven't read. 

As an aside, books like David Drake's Hammer's Slammers stories are dark.  Few comics reach that level.  On the entertainment side, books like Monster Hunter International and Rats, Bats, and Vats are way more entertaining. 

That said, I still have to watch all the comic hero movies coming out no matter how bad. Too buried in my childhood imagination.

 ??? I never implied you should. I was just refuting the assertion (made by a number of folks) that comics/graphic novel authors never take actual strong controversial stands. Someone in the entertainment industry bashing OWS (and anyone portraying Islam negatively) is taking a real, serious risk to their career (and life).

FTR, I've never been into comics, even as a kid. But it's unfair to paint all people involved in that medium as lightweight intellectual and moral cowards.
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: longeyes on February 21, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
There are real vampires and zombies out there, but they're not in comic books or escapist action movies. 
Title: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer to have an abortion after drunken one-night stand
Post by: TommyGunn on February 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
There are real vampires and zombies out there, but they're not in comic books or escapist action movies. 

Yea I know, they work for the IRS and in kongress.....