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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Chester32141 on April 23, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
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Bail was set for $150,000 and he is allowed to reside anywhere in the country. DA asked for $1,000,000 bond. Is there anything to be learned from bond being set at $150g v. $1mil ? From what I heard of the bond hearing Friday it sounded like Zimmerman was a pretty good person, even mentored black kids in the ghetto against his family's safety concerns. Also sounds like he has competent representation. The photos of the bloodied back of his head make it pretty easy to see why his self defense claim was accepted by the police ...
[popcorn]
http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-released-florida-jail-150-000-bond-044511022--abc-news-topstories.html
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http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/the-george-zimmerman-bail-hearing.html
Ouch. Read the whole thing for the whole deal.
This was a ghastly opening day for Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, who seemed unprepared and admitted as much:
"Mr. Gilbreath, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case, I'm going to add up -- I apologize."
Hello! Maybe the prosecutor should have prepped himself by reading up on 'Arthur' hearings:
Jeff Weiner, a former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers who practices in Miami, said Zimmerman was not necessarily entitled to release on bail. He faces up to life in prison for second-degree murder, a crime for which suspects in Florida are not usually afforded bail.
But if Angela Corey, the special prosecutor assigned to the case, wants to oppose his release, she will have to preview at least some of the evidence the state has against Zimmerman in proceedings known in Florida as an Arthur hearing, Weiner said.
“The state has the burden of proof to go forward and convince the judge that proof of guilt is evident and that the presumption of guilt is great … That’s what this hearing is about,” Weiner said.
Well, maybe the prosecution got the wrong instructional video.
It's hard to pick the lowest of the low, but the darker moments for the prosecution included:
- The admission by co-lead investigator that he had not personally interviewed George Zimmerman;
- the admission that he had not requested Zimmerman's medical records from the hospital;
- the admission that the state has no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that, following the advice of the police dispatcher, he headed back to his car;
- the admission that the state has no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin assaulted first.
- the admission that the investigtors have not been "given any insight" by the voice experts at the Orlando Sentinel and the FBI who attempted to identify the screams on the 911 tape (My 'told you so' moment).
Among the rays of light for the prosection was this:
UNIDENTIFIED MALE [de la Rionda]: And isn't it true that a lot of statements that he made do not make sense in terms of the injuries that he described. Did he not describe to the police that Mr. Martin had him on the ground and kept bashing his head on the concrete over and over and just physically beating him with his hands?
GILBREATH: He has said that, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And isn't it true that there is evidence that indicates that's not true?
GILBREATH: Yes.
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ALWAYS WHERE YOU LEAST EXPECT IT: A comedy highlight - defense counsel O'Mara has co-lead investigator Gilbrath on the stand:
O'MARA: Ok. Have you ever had your nose broken?
GILBREATH: No.
O'MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken.
GILBREATH: No.
O'MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct?
GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven't seen any medical records to indicate that.
O'MARA: Have you asked him for them?
GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No.
O'MARA: Do you want a copy of them?
GILBREATH: Sure.
O'MARA: I'll give them to the state. It's a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven't had them yet, I don't want to cross you on them.
Send better rodeo clowns.
YOU KNOW THAT'S RIGHT: From the conclusion of the prosecutor's closing statement:
I'm not here to argue all the facts, obviously.
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[popcorn]
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Keep this one on topic and without personal attack. If it goes out of control, there will be time outs issued.
I think the lower bond shows the judge doesn't think he's a flight risk, nor that he is at risk of commiting further crimes while on bond.
Oh, and the $1mil bond request lowers my confidince in the intent of the DA.
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That is a brilliant openong defense move - he would have bet on no one being prepared for the bail hearing, and now he's set them up to look like they are reversing themselves at trial. Tricky defense lawyer move that, were it in the movies, audiences would hate. But good tactics.
Given that bail was actually opposed on substantive grounds and the prosecution was totally unprepared for it, the grant of reasonable bail terms isn't that suprising.
It probably will mean less at trial than it does in the news now, where total surprise wont be possible.
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That is a brilliant openong defense move - he would have bet on no one being prepared for the bail hearing, and now he's set them up to look like they are reversing themselves at trial. Tricky defense lawyer move that, were it in the movies, audiences would hate. But good tactics.
Given that bail was actually opposed on substantive grounds and the prosecution was totally unprepared for it, the grant of reasonable bail terms isn't that suprising.
It probably will mean less at trial than it does in the news now, where total surprise wont be possible.
Hmm. [popcorn]
I do agree that the prosecution being unprepared could be simple oversight, not expecting factual or evidentiary arguments at a bail hearing.
Or, perhaps considering it's such a high profile trial, they should have been prepared for anything? Simple incompetence, or just "too many cooks stirring the pot", and the prosecutorial side has failed to adequately assign responsibilities, or clear chains of command?
Could be indicative of the prosecution side finding this case to be a crap sandwich all around, and they're collectively shirking taking a bite here.
Or, this lends just a teeny bit of potential credence to my theory that the prosecution may actually have just thrown the Zimmerman case into the court's lap out of appeasement and a half-hearted "chips fall where they may" strategy after all.
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. . . Or, perhaps considering it's such a high profile trial, they should have been prepared for anything? Simple incompetence, or just "too many cooks stirring the pot", and the prosecutorial side has failed to adequately assign responsibilities, or clear chains of command? . . .
Given the high-level intrusion of politics, I'd guess that nobody wants to take initiative - i.e., people will do exactly the specific tasks they're assigned, and no more, and they'll do them in exactly the manner in which they're specifically instructed; it's probably "CYA" time in the DA's office.
Note also that they're on the 3rd judge in the rotation - the first one was very sure to bring up her possible conflict of interest, and the next judge in the rotation indicated that he had a possible conflict, too. It's almost as if everyone involved senses that between politics and protests, involvement with this case has very little upside, and lots of downside. (I think that will hold true no matter the ultimate outcome.)
What I found very telling in other coverage is that at the hearing the prosecution admitted that they had no evidence as to who actually started the fight between Martin and Zimmerman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE [de la Rionda]: And isn't it true that a lot of statements that he made do not make sense in terms of the injuries that he described. Did he not describe to the police that Mr. Martin had him on the ground and kept bashing his head on the concrete over and over and just physically beating him with his hands?
GILBREATH: He has said that, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And isn't it true that there is evidence that indicates that's not true?
GILBREATH: Yes.
Does this suggest that the prosecution did not have access to the picture of Zimmerman's bloody head, shown in the OP? Combined with the medical records of a broken nose that the defense is apparently going to provide and the eyewitness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman whilst beating him, this would seem to go a long way towards supporting Zimmerman's statements unless the prosecution has evidence that hasn't been released yet.
(BTW, have the results of Martin's autopsy been released? It's been a couple of months, and besides actual cause of death, wouldn't they have done a tox and drug screen? Be interesting to know the results, considering Martin was on school suspension for a minor drug offense.)
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Zimmerman has already been tried and convicted by the media, so why should the prosecution have to prove its case against him? ;/
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Zimmerman has already been tried and convicted by the media, so why should the prosecution have to prove its case against him?
I've been saying that to my wife since this case got started, but she doesn't care (and lets me know that).
Even if he's 100% innocent, and it was 100% self defense, he's going to get some sort of punishment. They can't just let him get away with self defense after all of the publicity. A change of venue wouldn't help. He'd have to get a jury with a makeup unlike most juries
Any educated refutals to that statement?
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I've been saying that to my wife since this case got started, but she doesn't care (and lets me know that).
Even if he's 100% innocent, and it was 100% self defense, he's going to get some sort of punishment. They can't just let him get away with self defense after all of the publicity. A change of venue wouldn't help. He'd have to get a jury with a makeup unlike most juries
Any educated refutals to that statement?
Only that I hope it not to be true and that our justice system is better than that.
...and then I look at OJ and hang my head...
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I've been saying that to my wife since this case got started, but she doesn't care (and lets me know that).
Even if he's 100% innocent, and it was 100% self defense, he's going to get some sort of punishment. They can't just let him get away with self defense after all of the publicity. A change of venue wouldn't help. He'd have to get a jury with a makeup unlike most juries
Any educated refutals to that statement?
I am married to one of those who does not care to understand, either.
I actually saw the televised bond hearing.
While not a lawyer, I would have phrased the apology differently, such as "I am sorry that the man lost his life, but I had no choice but to defend myself", or something along those lines.
He will surely do some time, as there is too much fear and retribution concern by everybody involved with the case.
So much for a fair and impartial jury.
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I've been saying that to my wife since this case got started, but she doesn't care (and lets me know that).
Even if he's 100% innocent, and it was 100% self defense, he's going to get some sort of punishment. They can't just let him get away with self defense after all of the publicity. A change of venue wouldn't help. He'd have to get a jury with a makeup unlike most juries
Any educated refutals to that statement?
The judge might dismiss the case.
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While not a lawyer, I would have phrased the apology differently, such as "I am sorry that the man lost his life, but I had no choice but to defend myself", or something along those lines.
Exactly what I thought.
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I suspect that Zimmerman discussed what he should say w/ his lawyer and it was decided that saying what he said would be the most straight forward way of accepting responsibility for killing Trayvon w/o muddying things up at the same time. The Martin family lawyer claims it was the most self serving and disingenuous apology that he'd ever heard so we know he's not above distorting the truth. I think he said that to try to keep the mother from going soft on the case as I suspect she knew her son well enough to know it could have been self defense and her testimony that it was Trayvon calling for help doesn't jive w/ the eyewitness evidence. I thought the apology sounded genuine and it was brave and possibly foolish of him to offer one. Now if we could only find out if Martin's fingerprints are on the gun. After all it didn't cycle and Zimmerman said that Martin had grabbed for the gun while they grappled on the ground. I must say I like the fact that many are saying that BHO injecting himself into this case may well hurt him big time in the fall. It should ... America elects a Black president and instead of striving for unity he does his best to divide the country racially ... Sounds like science fiction to anyone that hasn't been paying attention for the past 3 years ...
[popcorn]
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http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/the-george-zimmerman-bail-hearing.html (http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/the-george-zimmerman-bail-hearing.html)
Prosecutor: Zimmerman Allegedly Slapped His Ex-Girlfriend And ‘Asked Her How It Felt’
They left out "Defense Counsel Slaps Prosecutor, Asked Him How It Felt"
The judge was far less impressed that Think Progress by Zimmerman's inglorious past; fro the Guardian live blog:
The judge all but pooh-poohed the 2005 charges brought against Zimmerman for felony battery of an officer and resisting arrest. The charges were later reduced to a misdemeanor and Zimmerman never served prison time, although he was required to attend anger management classes.
This kind of thing is all too common, the judge said, suggested that the charges were somehow inflated and should not be taken as an indicator – that he, at least, would not be taking them as an indicator – of George Zimmerman's propensity for violence.
Well, the prosecutor impressed the stalwarts on the left, so he has that working for him. Too bad about the judge...
Love the snark in the last line.
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if i had killed someones child i would be able to sincerely say i was very sorry. hurting folks is not all its cracked up to be in the movies and books
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Zimmerman has already been tried and convicted by the media, so why should the prosecution have to prove its case against him? ;/
This was my statement on another forum after which I was "stoned" verbally for being a racist. My contention is that either in state or federal court, Zimmerman is already guilty of something whether or not he actually is. I hope he has an outstanding lawyer.
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what Hank says.
Given the high-level intrusion of politics, I'd guess that nobody wants to take initiative - i.e., people will do exactly the specific tasks they're assigned, and no more, and they'll do them in exactly the manner in which they're specifically instructed; it's probably "CYA" time in the DA's office.
Zimmerman will go free imo, people will riot,more gun sales, more calls to "do something" about SYG which will go nowhere.
Everyone will blame everyone for Zimmerman going free, there will be two TV movies and multiple documentaries. Sharpton will make a fortune. Zimmerman might too.
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people will riot
They usually burn their own neighborhoods.
A little good old-fashioned urban renewal.
I say we build a wall around those places and not let anyone in or out >:D
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They usually burn their own neighborhoods.
A little good old-fashioned urban renewal.
I say we build a wall around those places and not let anyone in or out >:D
They do not burn....not until all of the plasma screens are gone from the looted stores.
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if i had killed someones child i would be able to sincerely say i was very sorry. hurting folks is not all its cracked up to be in the movies and books
True that.
I strongly suspect that even in the most clear cut textbook case of self defense, my first considered response once the smoke clears would be to vomit.
And I'd probably feel quite badly if it turned out to be a "child" (teenager) who'd been "just acting dumb" more than it was a hardened criminal "acting evil" etc. (Whether Zimmerman had also "acted dumb" to contribute to the overall situation, regardless...)
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They usually burn their own neighborhoods.
A little good old-fashioned urban renewal.
I say we build a wall around those places and not let anyone in or out >:D
So go back to the old style ghetto?
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I've been saying that to my wife since this case got started, but she doesn't care (and lets me know that).
Even if he's 100% innocent, and it was 100% self defense, he's going to get some sort of punishment. They can't just let him get away with self defense after all of the publicity. A change of venue wouldn't help. He'd have to get a jury with a makeup unlike most juries
Any educated refutals to that statement?
I worry about that mostly with the Feds. Obama and others might take it upon themselves to go after him.
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So go back to the old style ghetto?
They call themselves "original gangster" how about they get an original ghetto?
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Obama and others might take it upon themselves to go after him.
I read somewhere, but can't remember where, that Holder's DOJ is looking at this. Maybe they'll go for violating Martin's civil rights if Zimmerman isn't convicted of something.
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There's been talk of a federal hate crime charge for a while now. Here's a story from a month ago.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/25/u-s-could-bring-hate-crime-charge-against-trayvon-martins-shooter/
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I read somewhere, but can't remember where, that Holder's DOJ is looking at this. Maybe they'll go for violating Martin's civil rights if Zimmerman isn't convicted of something.
Will the LAPD deputize him first?.....
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They call themselves "original gangster" how about they get an original ghetto?
They'd only get an original ghetto if they were Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
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Angela Corey won her bid for re-election this week. She was unchallenged and won by default.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2759374/fla-prosecutor-in-martin-case.html#storylink=cpy
I think the reason that the prosecuter appeared to be so unprepared was because he didn't have any facts to present.
Same w/ the co-lead investigator. They both knew that the charging of Zimmerman was simply to buy time to let things cool down and thought that Zimmerman's counsel had gotten the memo and was onboard w/ the plan. They should have realized that O'mara was not a pushover. I suspect that now that Zimmerman is out on bail Omara will put on the brakes and do everything he can to make sure the trial does not take place til after the national elections. No more Obama/Holder=no more hate crime charges. I suspect that if the DOJ hadn't gotten involved there would have been no charges.
Injuries to the back of the head tend to indicate either struck from behind or back of head struck on something ... I'm sure Omara would not have brought up medical records to support injuries if they were not available. Based on physical evidence it sounds like a textbook case of self defense. I'll bet Omara has an investigator digging into Trayvons background right now. I doubt we'll learn what he finds before the trial or until the book comes out. I would love to see genuine photos of Martin taken w/in the past six months, sure saw a bunch of him as a child.
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Angela Corey won her bid for re-election this week. She was unchallenged and won by default.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2759374/fla-prosecutor-in-martin-case.html#storylink=cpy
I think the reason that the prosecuter appeared to be so unprepared was because he didn't have any facts to present.
Same w/ the co-lead investigator. They both knew that the charging of Zimmerman was simply to buy time to let things cool down and thought that Zimmerman's counsel had gotten the memo and was onboard w/ the plan. They should have realized that O'mara was not a pushover. I suspect that now that Zimmerman is out on bail Omara will put on the brakes and do everything he can to make sure the trial does not take place til after the national elections. No more Obama/Holder=no more hate crime charges. I suspect that if the DOJ hadn't gotten involved there would have been no charges.
Injuries to the back of the head tend to indicate either struck from behind or back of head struck on something ... I'm sure Omara would not have brought up medical records to support injuries if they were not available. Based on physical evidence it sounds like a textbook case of self defense. I'll bet Omara has an investigator digging into Trayvons background right now. I doubt we'll learn what he finds before the trial or until the book comes out. I would love to see genuine photos of Martin taken w/in the past six months, sure saw a bunch of him as a child.
I bet you also toss around hatefacts (http://takimag.com/article/10_hatefacts_for_those_who_hate_facts_gavin_mcinnes/print) with abandon, too.
No lynching justice no peace!
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So go back to the old style ghetto?
Sadly, it's time that we realized that we have a bunch of "Gaza Strips" in the cities all over the US. :(
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Reuters ... He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
Wow. That was a good, in-depth, and pretty unbiased article. Surprising from Reuters. Kudos to the reporter for actually reporting.
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Wow. That was a good, in-depth, and pretty unbiased article. Surprising from Reuters. Kudos to the reporter for actually reporting.
+1
But suggest you take a look at the comments at the Reuters site . . . most are positive about this article, but a few people seem to be downright angry that they're not painting Zimmerman as the murderer they know him to be.
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http://www.newsmax.com/US/zimmerman-trayvon-shooting-gun/2012/04/25/id/437099
A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.
The first time the dog ran free and cornered his wife Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.
"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.
"Get a gun."
That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.
By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.
Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.
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But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.
Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.
The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
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According to the race-hustler "one drop" rule that prevails, if Zimmerman's found guilty, would be classified "black on black" crime?
Good gravy, this is turning out to be a mess & a half.
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I suspect that having confessed to criminal conspiracies on MySpace in the past won't help his case:http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain)
...I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister...They do a year and dont ever open their mouth to get my ass pinched.
http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/43907650 (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/43907650)
http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/45086227 (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/45086227)
Two felonies eh? I wonder if he's as proud of this latest charge.
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I suspect that having confessed to criminal conspiracies on MySpace in the past won't help his case:http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain)
http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/43907650 (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/43907650)
http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/45086227 (http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain/blog/45086227)
Two felonies eh? I wonder if he's as proud of this latest charge.
What does being charged with two felonies prove?
You're getting desperate and it shows.
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What does being charged with two felonies prove?
You're getting desperate and it shows.
Well, bragging about beating the two charges on the same page where you brag about other people doing jail time so you dont get pinched can't be a plus when your current felony charge is murder.
Of course that manslaughter case is made out by the tapes - this piece (which his lawyer confirmed) is more for the people who are shouting about what a nice guy he was, amd how his victim got suspended from school and wore hoodies. If thuggish internet comments mattered to them from the dead half of this story, these ones should too.
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The only thing his myspace page proves is he sounds like your average american 20 something moron.
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So where can we see these comments, and where does his lawyer confirm any of this?
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lol so zimmermans stuff convicts him but poor trayvon is just a innocent boy funning on the internet?
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The only thing his myspace page proves is he sounds like your average american 20 something moron.
Exactly my thoughts when reading his prose. He is definitely a maroon.
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The only thing I get from the myspace page is he has worser writing skills then C&S daddy & he thinks the other person that went to jail or something deserved it. Being that he is not guilty I might hazard a guess that he wasn't guilty.
Nope, looks like Chester32141 and the others are right and our resident myspace miner is wrong yet again.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
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The only thing I get from the myspace page is he has worser writing skills then C&S daddy & he thinks the other person that went to jail or something deserved it. Being that he is not guilty I might hazard a guess that he wasn't guilty.
Nope, looks like Chester32141 and the others are right and our resident myspace miner is wrong yet again.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
:police: :facepalm:
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So where can we see these comments, and where does his lawyer confirm any of this?
I actually only found it because it was on msnbc with a story about how his lawyer confirmed it - http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11503803-george-zimmermans-old-myspace-page-includes-slurs-against-mexicans?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11503803-george-zimmermans-old-myspace-page-includes-slurs-against-mexicans?lite)
I don't think this is relevant to establishing the facts around the shooting. What I do find interesting is that many Zimmerman supporters, including on this board, thought that trawling the net for pictures of trayvon Martin and gangsta style chat posts by him was relevant to the defence, but outright confessions of criminal activity on Zimmerman's website don't seem to carry much sway.
Why the difference in uptake between the victims Internet life and the shooter's?
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Oh, OK. Still don't see the comment you quoted, though. Without the context, I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Same with the "anti-Mexican slurs" that the article leads with. He says some things about Mexicans doing bad things, but they hardly seem to be slurs against Mexicans in general. At least without context.
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Oh, OK. Still don't see the comment you quoted, though. Without the context, I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Same with the "anti-Mexican slurs" that the article leads with. He says some things about Mexicans doing bad things, but they hardly seem to be slurs against Mexicans in general. At least without context.
I agree, which is why I didn't bother repeating the "anti mexican" malarkey.
The comment is included in that long rant on the right hand side of his first page, in "about me".
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I actually only found it because it was on msnbc with a story about how his lawyer confirmed it - http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11503803-george-zimmermans-old-myspace-page-includes-slurs-against-mexicans?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11503803-george-zimmermans-old-myspace-page-includes-slurs-against-mexicans?lite)
I don't think this is relevant to establishing the facts around the shooting. What I do find interesting is that many Zimmerman supporters, including on this board, thought that trawling the net for pictures of trayvon Martin and gangsta style chat posts by him was relevant to the defence, but outright confessions of criminal activity on Zimmerman's website don't seem to carry much sway.
Why the difference in uptake between the victims Internet life and the shooter's?
I still couldn't find any confession of criminal activity. Quote, pls.
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:police: :facepalm:
What are you trying to say?? I'm smartier then those worser writers!!
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I still couldn't find any confession of criminal activity. Quote, pls.
Yeah, I don't see it, either. I found what DeSelby's quoting, and I can see why he's taking it that way. But he's jumping to conclusions.
They do a year and dont ever open their mouth to get my *expletive deleted* pinched
Is that a confession that he deserved to get "pinched" and let an innocent take his punishment? No. It could mean his "boys" had a chance to scapegoat him for something they did, and they didn't.
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I still couldn't find any confession of criminal activity. Quote, pls.
It was this part I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister...They do a year and dont ever open their mouth to get my *expletive deleted* pinched
That's slang for his friends doing prison time without informing on him, which in his words would have gotten him prison time "pinched.". It's unambiguous that he thinks had his friends opened their mouths during their year, he'd have joined them.
Fistful, there's no reasonable way to interpret that as Zimmerman being happy that "his boys" didn't make up lies about him to get him thrown in jail. The only reasonable conclusion is that he considers them great friends because they didn't talk to the police when doing so would have gotten him pinched.
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It was this part
That's slang for his friends doing prison time without informing on him, which in his words would have gotten him prison time "pinched.". It's unambiguous that he thinks had his friends opened their mouths during their year, he'd have joined them.
Fistful, there's no reasonable way to interpret that as Zimmerman being happy that "his boys" didn't make up lies about him to get him thrown in jail. The only reasonable conclusion is that he considers them great friends because they didn't talk to the police when doing so would have gotten him pinched.
:lol:
You're assuming a lot. Reaching desperately. Pathetic.
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Fistful, there's no reasonable way to interpret that as Zimmerman being happy that "his boys" didn't make up lies about him to get him thrown in jail. The only reasonable conclusion is that he considers them great friends because they didn't talk to the police when doing so would have gotten him pinched.
No, there's no reasonable way they could tell lies about him to make him appear guilty of something he didn't do. NBC did it (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2781802/nbc-correspondent-fired-over-doctored.html), but there's no way anybody else could. It could never happen.
And even if your assumption is correct, it still doesn't show that his friends are doing his time for him, as you alleged. They could be equally or even more guilty of whatever the crime is supposed to be.
Well, bragging about beating the two charges on the same page where you brag about other people doing jail time so you dont get pinched ...
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De Selby,
FWIW, I think most of us agree that the page puts Z in a bad light. And I would agree that his comments probably (but not necessarily) mean that he skated on a charge (of which he was guilty) because his friends didn't implicate him. I'm just not jumping to conclusions.
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What are you trying to say?? I'm smartier then those worser writers!!
What makes you think you're any betterer than anyone else? [tinfoil] [popcorn] =D :lol: :lol: :angel:
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It's from 2005? As in SEVEN YEARS AGO? Making him about 20 at the time of the posts? Wow, that's such condemning evidence.
Even if every single assumption you are making is true, it is still completely possible that in the intervening years he has become a more responsible person. The fact that his neighbors asked him to join the neighborhood watch (and possible head the neighborhood watch) suggests to me that he may very well be a well-respected member of their community.
And I will admit I am in the tank for Zimmerman now. The attempted lynching in the media has really earned him a GREAT DEAL of benefit of the doubt from me. 7 year old references to possible crimes from 7 or 8 years ago? Not going to sway me to join the lynch mob.
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I will admit I am in the tank for Zimmerman now. The attempted lynching in the media has really earned him a GREAT DEAL of benefit of the doubt from me.
Shouldn't we all be hoping that Zimmerman's actions turn out to have been justified? Because if he was in the wrong, what happened that night is much more tragic.
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Shouldn't we all be hoping that Zimmerman's actions turn out to have been justified? Because if he was in the wrong, what happened that night is much more tragic.
I am hoping that. It's just going to take a significant amount of evidence to convince me it wasn't justified given the actions of the press and the blood-sucking lawyer for the Martin family.
(Meaning not that I hope he gets off even if he was in the wrong but that it's going to take a lot of evidence to convince me he was in the wrong.)
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the page puts Z in a bad light
But that was before he turned his life around :lol: :angel: =D
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Shouldn't we all be hoping that Zimmerman's actions turn out to have been justified? Because if he was in the wrong, what happened that night is much more tragic.
If some compelling evidence (credible witness, security video, conclusive forensic evidence, etc.) surfaces proving that Zimmerman attacked Martin - that is, that HE initiated violence by hitting, kicking, or grabbing Martin - whatever good will he currently has will evaporate in a matter of minutes.
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Shouldn't we all be hoping that Zimmerman's actions turn out to have been justified? Because if he was in the wrong, what happened that night is much more tragic.
Yes, we should do just that.
From a SD standpoint, it would be extremely helpful.
Too many are jumping to conclusions.
Sadly, DeSelby and most of the MSM have already passed judgement by skewing their judgement to match their opinions.
What I see from the rest of gun community here is a very tempered wait and see attitude.
I respect this kind of common sense, and the openness to pass judgement upon the release of more accurate evidence.
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Yes, we should do just that.
From a SD standpoint, it would be extremely helpful.
From most anyone's standpoint, really. If an innocent young man died because someone started a fight he didn't want, that's terrible. If Zimmerman killed him in self-defense, it might still be terrible, but at least Martin died for his own misdeeds.
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Has anyone felt there has been a dramatic reduction in MSM time on this topic in the past week or two?
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Has anyone felt there has been a dramatic reduction in MSM time on this topic in the past week or two?
Oh come on. We have the tanning mom now. Try to keep up.
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Oh come on. We have the tanning mom now. Try to keep up.
She's guilty I hate her!
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If Zimmerman shoots the Tanning Mom, would his charges be dismissed?....