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Title: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: MrsSmith on December 12, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
Started to watch a show on H2 last night, think it was called The Last Days on Earth, where they listed potential "End of the World" scenarios and ranked them from least likely to most likely. The most likely event that would end life as we know it was ... (drum roll) ... CLIMATE CHANGE!!!

Yep. And they showed a dozen or so clips from Fox News with various folks stating that it's a myth, then went on to discuss the conspiracy of the right to debunk this "very real" event that's "happening right this minute!!! As evidenced by armadillos ranging farther north than ever before."

They also said that "Global Warming" is a misnomer, that the real term is Climate Change and their primary expert was Al Gore.

I had to change the channel and watched the last 30 minutes of a Hallmark Christmas chick flick in which the lead male was a weak tea version of a real man, all the women were blonde, and the soup kitchen was saved by a generous donation from a large corporation. I hate TV.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: HankB on December 12, 2012, 10:05:11 AM
So I gather you missed the part where they determined that the main cause of climate change was that folks like us had too much money, and the only solution was to transfer a good chunk of it from our pockets to Algore & Associates in return for imaginary "carbon credits" which would avert the catastrophe?
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: MillCreek on December 12, 2012, 10:24:53 AM
So, what caliber for roaming armadillos?  If they make it to Seattle, I want to be ready.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: brimic on December 12, 2012, 10:25:12 AM
I would argue that if global warming or 'climate change' were real, that it is out of pure arrogance that the left will call it the 'end of the world.'

If the average temperatures rose 5-10 degrees, it might really suck if you live in NYC, Boston, or LA, but the people living inland would see longer growing seasons and be able to cultivate more valuable crops. Canadians and Northern Asians would gain a huge advantage as well.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: TommyGunn on December 12, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
So, what caliber for roaming armadillos?  If they make it to Seattle, I want to be ready.
.22 is quite adequate.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Tallpine on December 12, 2012, 11:30:45 AM
.22 is quite adequate.

Recipe  ???

 :lol:
Title: Re: Re: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: lupinus on December 12, 2012, 11:42:24 AM
I would argue that if global warming or 'climate change' were real, that it is out of pure arrogance that the left will call it the 'end of the world.'

If the average temperatures rose 5-10 degrees, it might really suck if you live in NYC, Boston, or LA, but the people living inland would see longer growing seasons and be able to cultivate more valuable crops. Canadians and Northern Asians would gain a huge advantage as well.
Indeed. I don't care how far it warms up, the planet would still be right where it is.

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Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 12, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
They may be right.  One of the main reasons Britain and France fought so many wars during the middle ages was due to the the British importing cheap wine into France.  (True!!!)

And how do we know that "warmer" isn't "normal" ??

We know that the dinosaurs roamed the earth for millions of years when it was "warmer".

There was the Medieval Warm Period when grapes were grown in Britain and the resulting wine was able to be shipped to France and sold cheaper then French wine.  (Resulting in many disagreements between the Frogs and the Brits).  

How are they so sure they are right?  And more specifically that the "solutions" they propose will stop Sunspots?



(And MrsSmith, I highly recommend getting rid of TV.)
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Tallpine on December 12, 2012, 12:26:38 PM
What caliber for TV ?    :lol:
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: roo_ster on December 12, 2012, 02:02:33 PM
What caliber for TV ?    :lol:

Didn't Elvis harvest one with a .38spl snubby?
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: ArfinGreebly on December 12, 2012, 02:07:18 PM

Call me back when we're raking in bumper crops in Greenland.

Save the starving Vikings:  raise global temperatures.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: zxcvbob on December 12, 2012, 02:29:36 PM
What caliber for TV ?    :lol:

Detcord. ;)

♪ "Blow up your TV, throw away your paper
Go to the country, and build you a home.
Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches
Try an find Jesus on your own..." ♫
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Harold Tuttle on December 12, 2012, 02:34:17 PM
(http://www.backyardnature.net/g/glaciers.gif)

welcome to a sucky climate, here is your ice axe
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: charby on December 12, 2012, 02:46:16 PM
whenever I hear #1 threat to humanity i think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keP4MBI1taY

Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: brimic on December 12, 2012, 02:48:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf69EEL3WBk
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Boomhauer on December 12, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
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(And MrsSmith, I highly recommend getting rid of TV.)

But how is she going to watch Honey Boo-Boo with no TV?  :laugh:


I have met several people who are convinced the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" is going to happen in the very near future if we don't give Al Gore money and power to combat it. They believe that fraudulent enviropimp even though his own lifestyle is anything but enviromentally friendly in any real sense of the word.







Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: SteveS on December 12, 2012, 03:27:17 PM
But how is she going to watch Honey Boo-Boo with no TV?  :laugh:


I have met several people who are convinced the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" is going to happen in the very near future if we don't give Al Gore money and power to combat it. They believe that fraudulent enviropimp even though his own lifestyle is anything but enviromentally friendly in any real sense of the word.









Plus, there are so many other sources for wacko theories.  The internet is way worse. 
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Strings on December 12, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
H2 is my usual background noise while I'm at the computer.

They're doing their "21 days to apocalypse" currently: most of what they're spewing is just funny

Can't wait until the 22nd
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Boomhauer on December 12, 2012, 04:14:29 PM
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I had to change the channel and watched the last 30 minutes of a Hallmark Christmas chick flick in which the lead male was a weak tea version of a real man, all the women were blonde, and the soup kitchen was saved by a generous donation from a large corporation. I hate TV.

Why do you hate blondes and metrosexuals?  :rofl:

Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 12, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
So, what caliber for roaming armadillos?  If they make it to Seattle, I want to be ready.

.22 lr will get the job done but I like to be creative when I can. .45-70 loaded with a 425 gr lead flat point from 10 yards is impressive if you can get an end to end shot. A field point centered n the head will also result in a good kill but the 'dillo might jump 4' straight up.

 As to eating them, since they are known to carry leprosy, no thanks.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: lee n. field on December 12, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
Recipe  ???

 :lol:

Cook it good.  They carry leprosy.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: lee n. field on December 12, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
What caliber for TV ?    :lol:

7.62x39 in bulk does fine.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Tallpine on December 12, 2012, 07:34:59 PM
.22 lr will get the job done but I like to be creative when I can. .45-70 loaded with a 425 gr lead flat point from 10 yards is impressive if you can get an end to end shot. A field point centered n the head will also result in a good kill but the 'dillo might jump 4' straight up.

 As to eating them, since they are known to carry leprosy, no thanks.

More worthless creatures to shoot  >:D

.30-30  works on most everything  =)
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: slingshot on December 12, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
With Al Gore mentioned prominently in the opening thread, I think I'll pass on any TV propaganda on this subject.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: lee n. field on December 12, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
They may be right.  One of the main reasons Britain and France fought so many wars during the middle ages was due to the the British importing cheap wine into France.  (True!!!)


I did some reading a while back, into the Norse legend of Fimbulwinter.  There's some suspicion that it comes from a climate transition that happened in the 6 or 7 hundreds BC (about the time of the Israelite deportation to Babylon).  Prior to that time the climate in northern Europe was warm enough that they were growing grapes in Sweden.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Bronze_Age#Climate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Bronze_Age#Climate)
The Nordic Bronze Age was characterized by a warm climate that began with a climate change around 2700 BC (comparable to that of present-day central Germany and northern France). The warm climate permitted a relatively dense population and good farming, for example grapes were grown in Scandinavia at this time. However a small change in climate between 850 BC and 760 BC and a more radical one around 650 BC brought in a deteriorating, wetter and colder climate (sometimes believed to have given rise to the legend of the Fimbulwinter).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg)

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(And MrsSmith, I highly recommend getting rid of TV.)

Always a good recommendation.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Viking on December 13, 2012, 11:25:19 AM

I did some reading a while back, into the Norse legend of Fimbulwinter.  There's some suspicion that it comes from a climate transition that happened in the 6 or 7 hundreds BC (about the time of the Israelite deportation to Babylon).  Prior to that time the climate in northern Europe was warm enough that they were growing grapes in Sweden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg)

Always a good recommendation.
I think I've mentioned this on this board before. I know I'm lecturing people in real life often enough about it. I fear that it goes in through one ear and straight out of the other though.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 13, 2012, 03:03:01 PM

I did some reading a while back, into the Norse legend of Fimbulwinter.  There's some suspicion that it comes from a climate transition that happened in the 6 or 7 hundreds BC (about the time of the Israelite deportation to Babylon).  Prior to that time the climate in northern Europe was warm enough that they were growing grapes in Sweden.


Oh, sure. Blame the Jews.  ;/
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 13, 2012, 07:05:56 PM

Oh, sure. Blame the Jews.  ;/

It's okay Fistful, we Jews blame you.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: charby on December 13, 2012, 10:42:20 PM
It's okay Fistful, we Jews blame you.

Shalom Brother, I also blame him.

Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 13, 2012, 10:43:16 PM
I rescind my earlier comment, due to concerns that it may qualify as a call to religious tolerance. I'm not allowed to do that anymore.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 13, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
Nope, sounded pretty intolerant to me.  ;) :P


Also the #1 Threat to Humanity is Stupid TV.  All of it.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Fly320s on December 14, 2012, 06:46:47 AM
I rescind my earlier comment, due to concerns that it may qualify as a call to religious tolerance. I'm not allowed to do that anymore.

Private Skippy?
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: MrsSmith on December 14, 2012, 07:42:13 AM
But how is she going to watch Honey Boo-Boo with no TV?  :laugh:

I wouldn't watch that crap if it were the only form of "entertainment" left on the planet.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Iain on December 14, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
As always with this subject, I'm bemused at the comments that are deemed relevant. Serious lack of critical thought.

But it's a rabbithole I'm pretty bored of now.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Balog on December 14, 2012, 11:46:18 AM
As always with this subject, the religous zealots refuse to accept that their prophets have lied to them. Serious lack of self reflection and looking at the objective evidence.

But I'm pretty bored of pointing out their unscientific beliefs now.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Iain on December 14, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
I'll give you a 5/10, but I'm not biting today.

Watching an alt-med loon try and take down a CF forum is far more interesting. Similar vein really, the notion that the medical establishment is lying to us... so I did nibble.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Balog on December 14, 2012, 12:27:30 PM
Oh teh nose, you've compared me to a group of crazy people! Why, that must totally invalidate my argument!  ;/

I suppose as the data grows that demonstrates how wrong your side is, it's inevitable that you'd go from trying to argue on the merits and instead resort to silly name calling. Kind of pathetic, really.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 14, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
The thing I always found interesting is that in the "Climate models" that predict that we're all going to get roasted (after we drown in hurricanes and typhoons and freeze to death in massive blizzards) is that none of them modeled water vapor.


Why is that?
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Iain on December 14, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
edit - actually, no.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
edit - actually, no.

Look Iain, until you recognise that there's a global conspiracy of thousands of scientists all motivated by Marxism, you cannot have any hope of understanding climate science. 

They are making it up to take away America's wealth.  Starting with Lord Kelvin - I mean really, he starts talking about CO2 and climate change exactly how long before Marxism ravages unsuspecting workers in Europe, leaving them in conditions far, far worse than they'd ever had?
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Balog on December 14, 2012, 02:32:42 PM
Look Iain, until you recognise that there's a global conspiracy of thousands of scientists all motivated by Marxism, you cannot have any hope of understanding climate science. 

They are making it up to take away America's wealth.  Starting with Lord Kelvin - I mean really, he starts talking about CO2 and climate change exactly how long before Marxism ravages unsuspecting workers in Europe, leaving them in conditions far, far worse than they'd ever had?

Wow, baldly misrepresenting your opponents views, and putting in a plug for the beauty and joy of Marxism. That's trolling gold right there.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 14, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
I think both sides agree that the climate of earth has and will continue to change.   There is more than ample proof of that.

Where we disagree is to

1)  Whether man is "causing" (or even has any effect) on it.

2)  What (if anything) can and/or should be done about it.

3)  Whether if it does "change" that it will be "bad" or worse than now.  In fact, there's a good chance, based on the historical record, it could actually be "better".

Because,

4)  We don't even know what "normal" climate is for earth.  (The planets been around for 4 billion +/- years and we have 100-110 years of weather data.)

Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 14, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
and folks who study weather laugh at the 170 year span that has the zomg crowd so atwitter
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 14, 2012, 04:54:36 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 14, 2012, 06:56:11 PM
4)  We don't even know what "normal" climate is for earth.  (The planets been around for 4 billion +/- years and we have 100-110 years of weather data.)

In fact, "normal" may well be centuries-long swings such as that graph showing the Medieval Warming Period, on a recurring basis. We're still not back to farming in Greenland and making domestic wines in Norway, so perhaps the climate we have today is what's abnormal, and we're just heading back toward normalcy.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2012, 07:03:15 PM
Hey Ian!

Long time no see!

Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: Scout26 on December 15, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm

And throw in Michael Mann and his "Hide the Decline" e-mails (among others) and you have a hoax.
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 15, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
And through in Michael Mann and his "Hide the Decline" e-mails (among others) and you have a hoax. monry making enterprise
Title: Re: #1 Threat to Humanity: Climate Change
Post by: grampster on December 18, 2012, 12:56:36 PM
Progtards push Golobular Worming because they all live on the coasts and they'd be forced to move inland where we dirty filthy conservative knuckle draggers live.  I hear Progtard tastes like chicken.