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Title: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 10, 2014, 08:19:12 PM
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-ferguson-teen-struggled-over-officer-s-gun-before-being/article_f9d627dc-e3c8-5bde-b2ab-7f0a3d36a083.html?mobile_touch=true

So here's the big news from my area. The cops say he assaulted a cop, and tried to take his gun. The "community" says he was running away with both hands raised. I don't know who to believe, and don't really care to find out.

No word yet on the presence of Skittles, or of white Hispanics on the police force.

Or coffee cans.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 10, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Nuke the site from orbit  ???
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 10, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
This will get interesting.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 10, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
The cop dog looks like somebodies about to be Alpo.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 10, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
I just saw that a young and volatile crowd blocked paramedics and police in the area from responding to a heart attack (I can't confirm the accuracy of the report). They'll quickly lose any public sympathy if they keep that up.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 10, 2014, 09:01:39 PM
Paging Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton to the red racist phone, please.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: lee n. field on August 10, 2014, 09:24:10 PM
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-ferguson-teen-struggled-over-officer-s-gun-before-being/article_f9d627dc-e3c8-5bde-b2ab-7f0a3d36a083.html?mobile_touch=true

So here's the big news from my area. The cops say he assaulted a cop, and tried to take his gun. The "community" says he was running away with both hands raised. I don't know who to believe, and don't really care to find out.

No word yet on the presence of Skittles, or of white Hispanics on the police force.

Or coffee cans.

East St. Louis?

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 10, 2014, 09:26:30 PM
Fistful you scared me there for a minute.

I thought by the title you meant that APS had made Drudge.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 10, 2014, 09:36:28 PM
Paging Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton to the red racist phone, please.

Jesse Jackson is right behind him.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 10, 2014, 09:59:53 PM
At this point, it's 50/50 on who to believe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 10, 2014, 10:58:47 PM
East St. Louis?


Ferguson, MO. A few miles northeast of me, I believe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2014, 12:00:39 AM
According to Twitchy, they're now shooting at police and also apparently shooting randomly (duck fistful!), and have stolen an ATM (hooray for justice!). At this rate, they're heading for Rodney King style rioting.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 11, 2014, 12:12:50 AM
According to Twitchy, they're now shooting at police and also apparently shooting randomly (duck fistful!), and have stolen an ATM (hooray for justice!). At this rate, they're heading for Rodney King style rioting.

*expletive deleted*ing ghetto trash.

Lock it down, blockade the hoods, let 'em burn, and return fire with effective fire. Wait for the idiots to get tired of it. Nobody in or out.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2014, 12:16:42 AM
*expletive deleted* ghetto trash.

Lock it down, blockade the hoods, let 'em burn, and return fire with effective fire. Wait for the idiots to get tired of it. Nobody in or out.



Apparently that's now started - destroying their own neighborhood and looting liquor stores, etc. for justice:

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/10/and-the-riots-have-started-protest-escalates-in-ferguson-mo-pics-vine-video/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jim147 on August 11, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
Little brother is about 15 miles from there. I'm sure he knows but I think I'll send an email to keep his head down for a few days.

jim
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2014, 07:13:01 AM
Paging Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton to the red racist phone, please.


According to the Post-Disgrace, Mr. Sharpton is en route; and a certain Crump, one of the lawyers hired by Trayvon Martin's family, has been hired by the Browns. He's an interesting choice, given the outcome of that trial.  =|
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 11, 2014, 08:58:40 AM

According to the Post-Disgrace, Mr. Sharpton is en route; and a certain Crump, one of the lawyers hired by Trayvon Martin's family, has been hired by the Browns. He's an interesting choice, given the outcome of that trial.  =|

It was not because of any failing of the lawyer(s).  The jury was defective.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 11, 2014, 09:07:24 AM
*expletive deleted* ghetto trash.

Lock it down, blockade the hoods, let 'em burn, and return fire with effective fire. Wait for the idiots to get tired of it. Nobody in or out.

This ^^ in spades.  Even more than +infinity!

Having been sent three different times as the representative of a repressive, racist, oppressive government to quell the riot and restore peace I am here to tell you that playing that game without being allowed to shoot them is Mo FunTM.

And if you let them burn down their neighborhood, be sure that your fences are high and strong enough to keep them in there afterwards.  Give C-130 crews practice dropping "humanitarian aid", and wildfire fighter tanker crews weekly practice hitting the designated shower area.  Let's see how long it takes the 90%-98% of "good folks" to deal with the riff and the raff.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: HankB on August 11, 2014, 10:03:04 AM
. . .  Give AC-130 crews practice dropping "humanitarian aid" . . .
FIFY . . .  >:D
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 11, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
And if you let them burn down their neighborhood, be sure that your fences are high and strong enough to keep them in there afterwards.  Give C-130 crews practice dropping "humanitarian aid", and wildfire fighter tanker crews weekly practice hitting the designated shower area.  Let's see how long it takes the 90%-98% of "good folks" to deal with the riff and the raff.

Yup; double-fence, absolutely enforced kill zone between, and a checkpoint where people can choose to leave permanently, after full warrant check and a drug dog sniff.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 11, 2014, 10:59:28 AM
I'm sure that everything will work out well, just like in Iraqistan  =)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: fifth_column on August 11, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
From the report, my emphasis added:

Quote
In a news conference Sunday morning, Belmar, the county police chief, said the Ferguson officer had an encounter with two “individuals” about noon Saturday and that Brown pushed the officer back into his car and “assaulted” him in the vehicle.

Belmar said one shot was fired by the officer’s gun inside the car during the struggle, hitting no one, and that the officer then fired multiple times as Brown ran away. Brown fell dead in the street. Belmar said the crime scene covered a distance of just 35 feet.

Belmar did not describe the reason for the initial contact, nor indicate whether police think the shooting was justified. He also did not provide any details about the person who had been with Brown.

He said the shots that hit Brown were “more than just a couple but I don’t think it was many more than that.” He said an autopsy was pending.

Shooting somebody while they are running away is illegal for absolutely anyone else in the country.  Why should police be allowed to shoot a fleeing person?  Anyone else would be tried for second-degree murder, at the very least.

Rioting and looting is absolutely inappropriate and unjustifiable.  Understandable, but unjustifiable.  Shooting someone in the back, even if they have just attacked you, is also understandable, but unjustifiable. 
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ron on August 11, 2014, 12:20:56 PM
Shooting a person fleeing after they commit a violent felony is allowable in some places IIRC.

I have no opinion on this particular case as I have no knowledge of the facts.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 11, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
TN vs Garner I bleieve is the "cop shooting people in the back decision" and it held that the person has to ofer substantial danger if they get away. So capping Hannibal Lecter making an escape attempt is legit, shooting Lootie as he runs off with his 12 pack of Heineken is not.

Speaking of Lootie, I love this guy's shirt.

https://twitter.com/jondelano/status/498773436786036736
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 11, 2014, 02:36:14 PM
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g441/tc2k11arf/gifs/brown_justice_01c_zps1b184b23.gif)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: makattak on August 11, 2014, 02:41:36 PM
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g441/tc2k11arf/gifs/brown_justice_01c_zps1b184b23.gif)

This one was particularly... something for me. I can't quite say ironic, or even puzzling since I'm not confused, perhaps emblematic?

In any case, the er... gentleman in this gif is attacking an installation that is likely only to be used by the low-income people in the area. No one who could remotely be imagined as an "oppressor" will suffer from the destruction of this bus stop. Yet here it is.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 11, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
The fact that they looted rims from an auto store and hair weave from a beauty salon probably doesn't help the stereotypes.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ned Hamford on August 11, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
Fleeing felon rule
It used to be if someone ran away from an officer, since only the truly depraved would reject civil authority in such a manner, they must be a fleeing dangerous felon, best shot as one would a rabid dog.  
But since we no longer maintain the fiction of law enforcement being sterling principles of the law and order... We generally don't trust their say so with capital punishment.
I credit both the move of political power to more diverse and less isolated segments of society and the increase of ease for information transfer.  
Like many changes in society, its worth remembering those old folks in the greatest positions of power remember how things used to be and are generally unimpressed with the cries for justice raised over what is frankly a huge improvement over what they started with.  
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 11, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
When you wonder what the "community organizing" that Obama did was, it's this sort of thing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuxIMCNIcAA81qL.jpg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 11, 2014, 03:48:02 PM
Quote
In a news conference Sunday morning, Belmar, the county police chief, said the Ferguson officer had an encounter with two “individuals” about noon Saturday and that Brown pushed the officer back into his car and “assaulted” him in the vehicle.

Belmar said one shot was fired by the officer’s gun inside the car during the struggle, hitting no one, and that the officer then fired ....

So the top cop either is saying that guns are sentinent beings that can act of their own volition, or that this was a documented accidental (mechanical malfunction) discharge as opposed to a negligent discharge.  Dare I seek the hive's take on which possibility it might be?

(OK, that last sentence is sarcasm.  I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.)

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Well now we're really above the fold. We displaced the white racecar driver fiasco. Now the whole world can see my neighbors striking a blow for racial justice.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: SADShooter on August 11, 2014, 03:54:48 PM
Well now we're really above the fold. We displaced the white racecar driver fiasco. Now the whole world can see my neighbors striking a blow for racial justice.

To briefly channel Tallpine, you're certainly topping the Grudge Report.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 11, 2014, 04:20:38 PM
Any chance that there's a bunch of Korean owned businesses in the riot area?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2014, 04:30:14 PM
Any chance that there's a bunch of Korean owned businesses in the riot area?

We've already got fistful and his .45 on station. What more do we need?  =D
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cordex on August 11, 2014, 05:35:41 PM
So the top cop either is saying that guns are sentinent beings that can act of their own volition, or that this was a documented accidental (mechanical malfunction) discharge as opposed to a negligent discharge.  Dare I seek the hive's take on which possibility it might be?
If someone tries to take your gun away from you and in the process it goes off, I don't think it would really fall under either mechanical failure or negligence on your part.  Honestly, without good video of who and what caused the gun to fire in the initial altercation, I'm not sure I can really criticize that portion of the Chief's statement.  He doesn't have any clue who was specifically responsible for the bullet being fired.  All he knows is that a shot was fired from the cop's gun during the struggle for control of the weapon and says as much.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 11, 2014, 06:24:56 PM
If someone tries to take your gun away from you and in the process it goes off, I don't think it would really fall under either mechanical failure or negligence on your part.  Honestly, without good video of who and what caused the gun to fire in the initial altercation, I'm not sure I can really criticize that portion of the Chief's statement.  He doesn't have any clue who was specifically responsible for the bullet being fired.  All he knows is that a shot was fired from the cop's gun during the struggle for control of the weapon and says as much.

Then it wopuld have been "one shot was fired FROM the officer's gun inside the car ...."  Even you say that, as opposed to a shot was fired by the officer's gun.

Or how about "We believe one shot may have been fired inside the car during a possible struggle for control of the weapon"?

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: SteveS on August 11, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
Fleeing felon rule
It used to be if someone ran away from an officer, since only the truly depraved would reject civil authority in such a manner, they must be a fleeing dangerous felon, best shot as one would a rabid dog.  
But since we no longer maintain the fiction of law enforcement being sterling principles of the law and order... We generally don't trust their say so with capital punishment.
I credit both the move of political power to more diverse and less isolated segments of society and the increase of ease for information transfer.  
Like many changes in society, its worth remembering those old folks in the greatest positions of power remember how things used to be and are generally unimpressed with the cries for justice raised over what is frankly a huge improvement over what they started with.  

Some states still allow for shooting fleeing felons by non-police.  I don't know if Missouri is one of them.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 11, 2014, 07:41:16 PM
SO, in the middle east we have ISIS (Islamic Savages Involved in Slaughter).
Now, in our own Midwest we have ISIM (Ignorant Savages Igniting Missouri)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
Any chance that there's a bunch of Korean owned businesses in the riot area?


From the link in my OP:
Quote
Jimmy Muhammad, 32, said he and his colleagues had just fended off a gang of masked young men with guns who tried to break into his uncle's store, United Mart, in the 10300 block of West Florissant. The front door was shattered.

"It's bad," said Muhammad, still gripping a pistol. Sirens blasted from all the police vehicles speeding by to other crime scenes. "I don't blame the police, but they can't keep up."

Silas Chung, 53, didn't get to his small store, Up N Up Fashion, in the 11600 block of West Florissant, soon enough to defend it.

Here's a shot of some people "defending their store," but I'm pretty sure there was no rioting anywhere near them.  ;/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/armed-guards-at-strip-mall-save-north-st-louis-businesses-from-looters/
To be fair, though, Florissant's not that far away, which is why my wife is not going to her Zoomba class there, tonight. 


This place, I don't know where it is.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/11/when-missouri-looting-broke-out-these-men-did-what-they-had-to-do-to-protect-their-store/


I haven't seen or heard anything in my neighborhood, and thankfully I have no need to go to Ferguson. We usually only go there for the restaurants and custard joints. I'm not sure I even want to do that, anymore.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2014, 08:17:11 PM
It appears Eric Holder is now launching an investigation.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2014, 08:30:08 PM
We've already got fistful and his .45 on station. What more do we need?  =D

You must be outside yo mind.

fistful and his fo-five are staying on this side of I-70 for a while, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Stand_watie on August 11, 2014, 08:48:18 PM
You must be outside yo mind.

fistful and his fo-five are staying on this side of I-70 for a while, thank you very much.

I think the Reginald Denny thing was the beginning of the end for the l.a. riots...so you should leave your fo-five behind and drive down there right away.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 11, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
I think the Reginald Denny thing was the beginning of the end for the l.a. riots...so you should leave your fo-five behind and drive down there right away.

I think that that's the coldest thing I've ever read here.

Kudos sir,you win! =D
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 11, 2014, 09:50:48 PM
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/video-protester-justifies-the-looting-in-ferguson/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Stand_watie on August 11, 2014, 10:02:51 PM
I think that that's the coldest thing I've ever read here.

Kudos sir,you win! =D

He has broad shoulders for carrying the abuse. He can take it and serve it back with a smile. Some days he makes msnbc hosts job look easy.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 12, 2014, 12:03:03 AM
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/video-protester-justifies-the-looting-in-ferguson/

A secret society runs St.Louis.Good to know.

I wanted to eat at the McDonalds moored along the Arch.I expect that that's the HQ for the Society and I'll never get my cheeseburgers now.
*sigh*I don't know the handshake.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 12, 2014, 12:09:35 AM
If someone tries to take your gun away from you and in the process it goes off, I don't think it would really fall under either mechanical failure or negligence on your part.  Honestly, without good video of who and what caused the gun to fire in the initial altercation, I'm not sure I can really criticize that portion of the Chief's statement.  He doesn't have any clue who was specifically responsible for the bullet being fired.  All he knows is that a shot was fired from the cop's gun during the struggle for control of the weapon and says as much.

Language is telling. The chief has a clue. I'm betting it just not in his favor.
Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 01:10:58 AM
Read the "boy" was 6 3 and 300 pounds
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 12, 2014, 02:48:09 AM
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/video-protester-justifies-the-looting-in-ferguson/

Private enterprise collects taxes for The Man so stop private enterprise and The Man will have  to shut down due to lack of money to pay its goons.

At leasst that's what I think he was trying to get at.  Might just be private enterprise = The Man = a secret cabal designed to put down the black man again.

What I do know for sure is that my head hurts from listening to him, and hurts even more trying to figure out what his point is.

But he does get points for using his polite conversation voice, as opposed to his screaming rant voice.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 12, 2014, 07:36:49 AM
This might have been a good shoot where i live.  Like all homicides it would go to the grand jury.  Prosecutor could be more or less enthusiastic and influence the grand jury.

The current display of vibrancy by the shot mans neighbors is sure to increase property values and attract investment.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cordex on August 12, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
Then it wopuld have been "one shot was fired FROM the officer's gun inside the car ...."  Even you say that, as opposed to a shot was fired by the officer's gun.
Sure, "from" is better wording than "by", but I'm not sure that it drastically changes the meaning.  In either case, we can't assign culpability without more information than we are likely to ever get, and if indeed the round went off during a struggle for control of the weapon, I'm inclined to lay the blame for that particular AD/ND on the deceased in this case.
Or how about "We believe one shot may have been fired inside the car during a possible struggle for control of the weapon"?
You merely believe a shot was fired?  Are you trying to put doubt on the fact that a round went off inside the car?  You are obviously trying to manipulate the narrative through sloppy reporting.  ;)

Regardless, the real issue is whether or not the shots fired into the deceased were justified at the time they were fired, and no one is arguing about who caused those rounds to be discharged.

Language is telling. The chief has a clue. I'm betting it just not in his favor.
Does vinegar and newspaper leave fewer streaks on your crystal ball, or are you a Windex man?   :P
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 01:06:24 PM
I lol'ed.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1654143_St__Louis_area_teen_shot_to_death_by_officer_NOW_FEATURING_RIOTS.html&page=26#i48756557

Quote
They aren't looters.

They are undocumented shoppers.

Why you all be hatin' so much?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2014, 01:19:16 PM
At about 4.45, Al Sharpton says the kid was supposed to be going to jail. Oops, he meant college.

http://www.971talk.com/blogs/allmans-electric-stove/must-see-video/sharpton-says-michael-brown-robbed-first-day-jail
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 12, 2014, 01:41:16 PM
Here's a shot of some people "defending their store," but I'm pretty sure there was no rioting anywhere near them.  ;/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/armed-guards-at-strip-mall-save-north-st-louis-businesses-from-looters/

Let's see, a handful of big, no-BS looking guys, and a couple of long guns.  They may well be the reason there was no rioting within sight.  Rioters are almost as bad as cops about looking for the path of least resistance.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Let's see, a handful of big, no-BS looking guys, and a couple of long guns.  They may well be the reason there was no rioting within sight.  Rioters are almost as bad as cops about looking for the path of least resistance.


No rioters ever saw them. According to the story, that store is in Florissant - next door to Ferguson, but not that close.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 01:59:07 PM
Some observations


http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

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Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 12, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
Some observations


http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

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By "Paul Kersey".  Cute choice for a nom de plume.


Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 02:37:39 PM
Valerie Schremp Hahn
?@valeriehahn
Somebody handing out these fliers on West Florissant. For Revolutionary Comminist Party. #Ferguson

(http://i.imgur.com/ngBHVBa.jpg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 02:43:37 PM
Giving these shirts out for free. I wonder what Community Organizer paid for them?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Buy7ZqDIAAAGtg2.jpg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 02:48:02 PM
These are from last night.

That's a bad car to be in.

https://vine.co/v/MYZ7pexpv30

Flash bangs and tear gas.

https://vine.co/v/MYZZnHvrlq6
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: lee n. field on August 12, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
Valerie Schremp Hahn
?@valeriehahn
Somebody handing out these fliers on West Florissant. For Revolutionary Comminist Party. #Ferguson

http://i.imgur.com/ngBHVBa.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ngBHVBa.jpg)

Well, at least the "technical contact" doesn't have a webtv email account.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: MillCreek on August 12, 2014, 02:52:13 PM
^^^^ use GMail to fight the Man!
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 12, 2014, 02:53:55 PM
These are from last night.
....

I have noticed that most of the "dynamic" activity occurs after business hours, and that the grandmothers and little kids are paraded about by community organizers either just before or just after lunchtime.

I dunno - is there a clue in there?

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 03:14:55 PM
Anyone have a more credible source for this? It fits with the Chicago Communist leaflets getting passed around.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/missouri-mayor-looters-were-out-of-towners/#5r1PzmjWSx7gC7sz.99
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/massive-brawl-shuts-down-st-louis-galleria-mall-on-lockdown/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 12, 2014, 03:24:29 PM
Anyone have a more credible source for this? It fits with the Chicago Communist leaflets getting passed around.

WalMart, Target, KMart and Family Dollar getting looted makes sense; cheap crap, but easy for tourists to find.  Locals would know where the good stores are, with more value-per-pound stuff to haul out.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 03:41:10 PM
Appears that last night cops blocked off the roads to Ferguson and possibly killed comms to the area as well.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 03:45:58 PM
Auto Zone worker getting beaten, and the amberlamps are still far away.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=766599510067451&set=vb.100001522262567&type=2&theater
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 12, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
Auto Zone worker getting beaten,

No excuse for getting in a fair fight when your frickin' job is selling tire irons, giant ratchet handles and sledgehammers.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Veeerrrryyyyy interesting. Screencaps from a non-public twitter feed belonging to a local policritter, includes interactions with other local policritters. Sounds like she got tear gassed.  =D

https://s3.amazonaws.com/fvd-data/notes/219885/1407820831-90swTR/screen.png
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Nick1911 on August 12, 2014, 04:07:05 PM
FAA restricts airspace over Ferguson, presumably for LE operations?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-faa-issues-flight-warning-over-ferguson-missouri-effective-immediately/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
FAA restricts airspace over Ferguson, presumably for LE operations?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-faa-issues-flight-warning-over-ferguson-missouri-effective-immediately/

To keep news choppers out, most likely.

Quote
Jackson, the Ferguson police chief, said there’s no video footage of the shooting from the apartment complex or from any police dashboard cameras or body-worn cameras that the department recently bought but has not yet put to use.

Bet they regret not getting that up and running sooner.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Buz3f1NCMAES1l1.jpg)

Well, that'll help restore the peace. I assume they have to release that information eventually, right?

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/12/ferguson-police-will-not-release-officers-name-involved-in-mike-brown-shooting/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu2aik8CYAAGrNZ.png:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/uYEDNUt.jpg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 12, 2014, 04:40:18 PM
To keep news choppers out, most likely.

Restriction is only up to 5k feet AGL.  Most of the good ones can still get pretty good footage at that altitude.  More likely, they're planning to use UAVs and light aircraft for recon, and don't want to have to worry about dodging GA sightseers.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 04:40:33 PM
Kid that was with dead kid gave an interview
Interesting
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/friend_who_witnessed_mike_brown_shooting_speaks.html
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 12, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Buz3f1NCMAES1l1.jpg)

Well, that'll help restore the peace. I assume they have to release that information eventually, right?

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/12/ferguson-police-will-not-release-officers-name-involved-in-mike-brown-shooting/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu2aik8CYAAGrNZ.png:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/uYEDNUt.jpg)

I can't have those until I file a Form 1 to NFA Destructive Device my RV-85...   :'(
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
This won't turn out well.

(http://www.imgur.com/4sLbRQK.jpeg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 05:08:42 PM
Dude in the middle has obviously never trained with that gas mask bag on before. Having it that low down, right beside your knee is going to make it a huge pain in the ass to run.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu3VqZZIYAA1ep-.jpg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 12, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
This won't turn out well.

http://www.imgur.com/4sLbRQK.jpeg

If it's accurate and anything happens, it'll defnitely raise the risk of a "tit-for-tat" kind of escalation exponentially.

Also, Anonymous only has a "conscience" when it's a dog or a cat being abused, no matter what the implied purpose is, they just want to fan the flames for the lulz, period.
Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 05:18:29 PM
They haven't run out a liquor stores to loot yet?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 05:21:07 PM
If it's accurate and anything happens, it'll defnitely raise the risk of a "tit-for-tat" kind of escalation exponentially.

Also, Anonymous only has a "conscience" when it's a dog or a cat being abused, no matter what the implied purpose is, they just want to fan the flames for the lulz, period.

I personally never try to generalize about "Anonymous" simply because it's not really a group per se, just something every script kiddie with a Guy Fawkes mask calls themselves when they want to do something publicly illegal and feel justified for it. But yes, "in it for the lulz" is a pretty good description of their MO.

(http://i.imgur.com/Xig1JQE.gif)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
Probably makes me a bad person, but I'd laugh and laugh if some lily white social justive warrior MSNBC reporter got curb stomped by the local vibrant and diverse culture.

(http://www.imgur.com/lAb6pKY.jpeg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 12, 2014, 05:26:35 PM
Kid that was with dead kid gave an interview
Interesting
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/friend_who_witnessed_mike_brown_shooting_speaks.html

Perhaps it just plays to my prejudices, but his story sounds credible to me.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
(http://www.imgur.com/OHvDxlU.jpeg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2014, 06:17:15 PM

Bet they regret not getting that up and running sooner.


Or not.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2014, 06:20:09 PM
This won't turn out well.

(http://www.imgur.com/4sLbRQK.jpeg)


I think that's the Club Fitness where my wife didn't play Token White Girl last night.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 06:24:52 PM

Or not.

No, I expect they will. If it was a bad shoot they would have evidence to charge him, which would help calm things down. If it was a good shoot, they'd have evidence to exonerate the cop.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 06:30:30 PM
Ok, I'm all about breaking up the rioting but if they actually fired tear gas cannisters at people who were on their own proprty that's too far.


http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/police_in_ferguson_fire_tear_gas_on_protesters_with_hands_up_in_their_own_backyard.php#ooid=lkNG9sbzr7gBYbs-vA5JBRRSYgD-ty1w
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 06:34:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu3n4e5CEAII_H6.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 12, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
Perhaps it just plays to my prejudices, but his story sounds credible to me.
\

I've seen nothing to indicate that the officer was white.That media silence coupled with no mention of the cops race in this,first hand,account makes me think the shooter was black.
It'll be interesting to see the spin evolve.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 06:45:52 PM
A question can a cop reach from his car seat to choke a guy who is 6'3. From inside car through window? Anyone that height tell me is that possible?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
\

I've seen nothing to indicate that the officer was white.That media silence coupled with no mention of the cops race in this,first hand,account makes me think the shooter was black.
It'll be interesting to see the spin evolve.

He's a white African American.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 12, 2014, 06:49:07 PM
He's a white African American.

 :rofl: Thx
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: dogmush on August 12, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
 
A question can a cop reach from his car seat to choke a guy who is 6'3. From inside car through window? Anyone that height tell me is that possible?

Without commenting on the veracity of the kid's story, yes that is physically possible.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: dogmush on August 12, 2014, 07:11:38 PM
Actually, let me expound on that.

The choke is very likely possible.  In spite of that I don't actually find the kid's story credible after thinking on it.  Two things stick out to me.

First. he describes the officer driving by, throwing a profanity laced command out the window, and continuing to drive.  In my experience with cops (some good some bad) one pissed enough to cuss isn't going to leave it there and drive off.  Lights and siren would have been hit while the car was behind the pedestrians, and e would have forced them to come to him.  Kinda standard dominance mind games that I've never seen a cop eschew in even a friendly encounter.  "get the *expletive deleted*ck on the sidewalk" as he drives by sounds (to me) like how a kid that yells things at pedestrians themselves THINKS an angry cop would sound.

Second.  He describes the cop continuing, and escalating the encounter while still in his car. Cops NEVER keep the low ground, for psychological and tactical reasons.  Even if the door had hit the kid and slammed closed on the first attempt every cop I've ever seen would have hit the command voice and ordered the two away from the car so they could get out.  A cop would have to be infuriated beyond reason to choose to have a choking match through the window of his cruiser.  And her would have to display behavior strongly out of the norm of a group that reads the same playbook so much it's almost a joke. 

Now I am not yet ready to call the kid a liar.  People do strange, and stupid, things and there's not a lot of evidence of what happened.  But his story definitely raises my eyebrows as having parts that aren't all that credible.  Could have gone down that way, but it seems pretty weird.

And all of THAT said:

None of that excuses looting, or reckless popping off of dowel rounds and teargas. The folks doing that need to be put down hard. I can only hope all the honest citizens of that area can hunker down, and that they have enough ammo.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 12, 2014, 07:15:39 PM
They have sushi in St. Louis  ???

 :O
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 12, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
They have sushi in St. Louis  ???

 :O
The sushi and steak buffet?I was wondering about that myself.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 12, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
The sushi and steak buffet?I was wondering about that myself.

Yeah.

There is a Florissant in Colorado, also.  I actually lived there for a while.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: lee n. field on August 12, 2014, 07:35:11 PM
Anyone have a more credible source for this? It fits with the Chicago Communist leaflets getting passed around.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/missouri-mayor-looters-were-out-of-towners/#5r1PzmjWSx7gC7sz.99

Consider the source.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2014, 07:45:10 PM
What was the incident that garnered the dead kid the 4 felonies in November?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2014, 07:59:44 PM
Consider the source.

I did, which is why I said..

Quote from: Balog
Anyone have a more credible source for this
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 12, 2014, 08:45:11 PM
Fox news says the cop who killed Brown was white.

Also, a neighbor corroborated at least part of Johnson's story.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 12, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
When there is no corroborating evidence, I always assume the cop is lying and the witness/perp might be.  Guess who the tie goes to.  (it is amazing how often in questionable police shootings the cameras and microphones aren't working, or the videotape gets lost) 

It doesn't take much evidence to flip those presumptions around, and there's always evidence if you want to find it.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2014, 10:02:37 PM
They have sushi in St. Louis  ???

 :O


No, we only eat chicken-fried steak and hominy.  =)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 12, 2014, 10:42:37 PM

No, we only eat chicken-fried steak and hominy.  =)

Three part hominy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R58_ym-hHkg#t=59
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 13, 2014, 12:05:17 AM
When there is no corroborating evidence, I always assume the cop is lying and the witness/perp might be.  Guess who the tie goes to.  (it is amazing how often in questionable police shootings the cameras and microphones aren't working, or the videotape gets lost) 

It doesn't take much evidence to flip those presumptions around, and there's always evidence if you want to find it.


I assume the cop is lying. All cops, all the time. Mouth moving, lying.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Fitz on August 13, 2014, 12:25:13 AM
Three part hominy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R58_ym-hHkg#t=59


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4HSiGvk68


BLASTING FORTH IN THREE PART HOMINYYYYY   YAAAAAAAAAIIIIII
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 13, 2014, 06:51:19 AM
Saw somewhere a group of people tried to clean up the QT that was torched and got bitched at for helping Whitey and/or the White Man.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 13, 2014, 07:51:42 AM
I'd hope that QT will find a better place to rebuild.
*expletive deleted*ck the savages and the culture that produces them.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2014, 08:03:05 AM
Pictures, and story about my LGS. Gun sales way up.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/12/gun-sales-up-across-area/

I can tell from the pictures that they're doing way more business. The last few times I was in there, it was dead. I wonder if it helps that it's right next door to another Quicktrip.  =)


The gun store in Belleville they're talking about is in Illinois. I'm surprised there's not been an uptick there, as they are not far from other, high-crime, minority neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: MillCreek on August 13, 2014, 08:30:31 AM
^^^ Some of the comments on that CBS story are appalling.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2014, 10:25:16 AM
^^^ Some of the comments on that CBS story are appalling.

I'm sure that's true of every story about this whole mess.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: MillCreek on August 13, 2014, 10:53:36 AM
I'm sure that's true of every story about this whole mess.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: MechAg94 on August 13, 2014, 11:04:22 AM
When there is no corroborating evidence, I always assume the cop is lying and the witness/perp might be.  Guess who the tie goes to.  (it is amazing how often in questionable police shootings the cameras and microphones aren't working, or the videotape gets lost) 

It doesn't take much evidence to flip those presumptions around, and there's always evidence if you want to find it.
I heard the opposite comment today.  Usually when there are witnesses, there is lots of cell phone video of at least part of it, but we haven't seen much in this case.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2014, 12:31:32 PM
Long-ish article on the aftermath of recent events:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/uneasy-night-a-police-shooting-more-tear-gas-in-ferguson/article_7fb366f0-2f29-5bdd-b18b-34c9d8c688e7.html


Police shot and critically wounded a guy who was allegedly part of a group with masks and shotguns wandering about.

A woman was shot in a drive-by.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 13, 2014, 04:59:10 PM
The "Michael Brown" who's rap sheet was being posted was 16 and not the person who was killed.

(http://www.imgur.com/F0CxCa3.jpeg)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 13, 2014, 05:02:33 PM
Audio of dispatch during the shooting has been leaked. Claims are made that the cop did not report the shooting or call EMS. Not sure if true. Listen to the tapes? Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

http://youtu.be/zta9FyoA7TU
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 13, 2014, 05:17:33 PM
The New Black Panthers are on the ground from out of state. That'll calm things down.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/13/fbi-warns-new-black-panther-leader-in-ferguson-inciting-violence/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Stand_watie on August 13, 2014, 08:54:03 PM
The "Michael Brown" who's rap sheet was being posted was 16 and not the person who was killed.

(http://www.imgur.com/F0CxCa3.jpeg)

It's not like any reasonable person could have guessed that might be the case considering that Michael Brown is such an unusual name :facepalm:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 14, 2014, 12:55:49 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/13/reporters-say-ferguson-officers-assaulted-arrested-them-for-not-leaving-mcdonalds-quickly-enough-upon-request/


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/14/alderman-citizen-journalist-ordered-out-of-his-car-then-arrested-by-ferguson-police-because-he-didnt-listen-wife-says/



Ok cops. You get what you deserve.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 14, 2014, 09:43:46 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/13/reporters-say-ferguson-officers-assaulted-arrested-them-for-not-leaving-mcdonalds-quickly-enough-upon-request/


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/14/alderman-citizen-journalist-ordered-out-of-his-car-then-arrested-by-ferguson-police-because-he-didnt-listen-wife-says/

You know, discreet on-body spycams and 64G MicroSD cards are so darn cheap and plentiful these days, I have to call reporters downright lazy for not having video of claims like this.  I could understand the alderman not having one, but if your whole frickin' job is to document things that some people probably don't want documented, you should have a pen cam, button cam and glasses cam on your person every time you leave the house, plus a couple of GoPros on the front and back windows of your car.  Heck, we're talking maybe $1500 if you go high quality on all that gear, and it's the sort of competitive advantage that could easily result in a Pulitzer.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 10:22:05 AM
In many cases reporters do NOT want that type of record available. For the same reasons some cops and organizations don't
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 14, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
In many cases reporters do NOT want that type of record available. For the same reasons some cops and organizations don't

So buy it themselves and don't tell the boss.  Then it comes down to the same way cops deal with it; "It wasn't on, the battery was down and I wasn't wearing it.  Oh, and the memory card was broken into a thousand pieces."
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 10:49:10 AM
They are subject to discovery .
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 14, 2014, 10:51:33 AM
They are subject to discovery .

Can't discover what was ground into confetti and burned in the fireplace one lonely evening.

Er, I mean "Can't discover what was accidentally erased or 'post-incident revealed equipment failures.'"
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 14, 2014, 10:56:17 AM
They are subject to discovery.

Proving they ever existed is sort of a prerequisite.  Swallowing a MicroSD is easy, and most of those pen cams don't really have a way to tell you if the card is missing, so "oops, I forgot to put a memory card in it" is plausible.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
Once they use em folks will know. They will use em to prove they were right. They will not be able to then claim they didn't record the other stuff.  They can try but it will have legal consequences and more dire professional ones. Plus many of their sources will dry up if they start recording
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: MillCreek on August 14, 2014, 11:28:24 AM
As I like to say at work (verbally): we cannot be compelled to produce what we do not have.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 14, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Once they use em folks will know. They will use em to prove they were right. They will not be able to then claim they didn't record the other stuff.

Sure they will.  People leave stuff at home or forget to turn it on all the time.  Some of my least favorite security incidents involved at least one of the unmonitored cameras or recorders turning out to have a dead battery or no memory card (or a full one) by the time the incident started, and there have been at least a dozen times I only remembered to turn my windshield mounted GoPro on after something already happened that I wish I'd gotten on camera.

And that doesn't even count incidents of recording something, deleting it and pretending it never happened.

Hell, swap the cards daily, and keep yesterday's handy; anything happens, switch to yesterday's card, ditch today's, and let anybody try to prove you didn't forget to turn the camera on, or fail to notice the card was already full.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 11:49:40 AM
Then yet again we encounter an area where you see a solution that none of the thousands of journalists can see as viable.Perhaps a consulting service for them? To show them the light? They do record in some instances but they have real reasons why they aren't smart enough to adopt your plan
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 14, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
Then yet again we encounter an area where you see a solution that none of the thousands of journalists can see as viable.Perhaps a consulting service for them? To show them the light? They do record in some instances but they have real reasons why they aren't smart enough to adopt your plan

Because if they were that smart they wouldn't be journalists.  Duh.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 14, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
An on-body recording would/could contradict the narrative the reporter is interested in telling.  :P
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
Bingo
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
This is like Iraq vs Iran: I just want them both to lose.

http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/14/14042891/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 14, 2014, 01:47:37 PM
This is like Iraq vs Iran: I just want them both to lose.

http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/14/14042891/

 :rofl:

Honestly... out of everyone involved, I think I would be most tempted to shoot at the press.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 14, 2014, 02:55:12 PM
This is like Iraq vs Iran: I just want them both to lose.

That is so evil  >:D   I like it!  :lol:

Evil cops vs ghetto trash: can we just build a wall around the place and hope for a high body count  ???
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Post by: wmenorr67 on August 14, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Funny I would have expected this out of East St Louis, not one of the western Burbs.
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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 03:02:56 PM
That is so evil  >:D   I like it!  :lol:

Evil cops vs ghetto trash: can we just build a wall around the place and hope for a high body count  ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo
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Post by: AJ Dual on August 14, 2014, 04:37:11 PM
Funny I would have expected this out of East St Louis, not one of the western Burbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(housing)
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 14, 2014, 05:03:47 PM
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html
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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 06:02:20 PM
White boy needs to check his privilege. http://i.imgur.com/rQjT86k.jpg

Black Panthers taking over police chief's presser, lol.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/video-protesters-take-over-ferguson-police-chiefs-news-conference/
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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 06:25:49 PM
State Senator says "F*** you" to MO governor.  :rofl:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvBx0e3CYAEefPn.jpg:large
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Post by: Jim147 on August 14, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/post-reporter-detained-in-ferguson/2014/08/13/b0fc5720-2354-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html

Now we have a national moment of silence before the investigation has completed.

The shoe store down the street from my little brothers got hit the other night. It wasn't the cops in his town that shot anyone or the store owner but someone just had to have them some shoes. I guess because the people north of there were getting free stuff.

jim
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Post by: zxcvbob on August 14, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
I don't understand why some of the more Balko-ish TV journalists don't hire ill-tempered longshoremen (with freakin' lazer beams) for cameramen when they report on dangerous stories.  Tell 'em "if a cop grabs the camera you can curb-stomp him; the network will back you up because he assaulted you first"

They'd probably work for free.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 14, 2014, 06:51:47 PM
State Senator says "F*** you" to MO governor.  :rofl:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvBx0e3CYAEefPn.jpg:large


Stay classy, Maria. Another Iraq/Iran sitchy-ation. I think she co-sponsored that bill to make parents register their guns with schools. Nixon's the one who keeps vetoing pro-gun bills.
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Post by: brimic on August 14, 2014, 06:55:22 PM
I don't understand why some of the more Balko-ish TV journalists don't hire ill-tempered longshoremen (with freakin' lazer beams) for cameramen when they report on dangerous stories.  Tell 'em "if a cop grabs the camera you can curb-stomp him; the network will back you up because he assaulted you first"

They'd probably work for free.

 :rofl: :rofl:
I like the way you think.
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Post by: brimic on August 14, 2014, 06:58:26 PM
I didn't catch this thread until now.
Maybe I'm not crazy for carrying a handgun and a tomahawk within easy reach in my car and a carbine in the trunk every day that I commute into the city.
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 07:07:29 PM
I didn't catch this thread until now.
Maybe I'm not crazy for carrying a handgun and a tomahawk within easy reach in my car and a carbine in the trunk every day that I commute into the city.


Sounds like you roll a little light to me...I've been known to add a handgun or two, shotgun, and a precision rifle in addition to the rifle and one pistol.



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Post by: Fitz on August 14, 2014, 07:22:20 PM
I'm gonna start rollin with a tomahawk, cuz they're awesome
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 07:28:14 PM
I'm gonna start rollin with a tomahawk, cuz they're awesome


Get yoself a righteous killin piece here

http://www.fortturner.com/store/

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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 07:33:41 PM
Sounds like you roll a little light to me...I've been known to add a handgun or two, shotgun, and a precision rifle in addition to the rifle and one pistol.





I'm honestly curious. What exact situation do you envision using those in?
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
I'm honestly curious. What exact situation do you envision using those in?

I'm a firm believer in being prepared for any eventuality...and bringing guns to share with friends.

Honestly the shotgun was a bit superfluous...



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Post by: brimic on August 14, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
I'm honestly curious. What exact situation do you envision using those in?

Where I work, most of my egress routes take me through the ahole of milwaukee. There have been 'incidents' involving large groups of yoots that have made the national news in the last few years in places that I normally drive through- all without a cop shooting to set them off.
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 08:09:03 PM
Where I work, most of my egress routes take me through the *expletive deleted* of milwaukee. There have been 'incidents' involving large groups of yoots that have made the national news in the last few years in places that I normally drive through- all without a cop shooting to set them off.

Lets put it this way...in the next few years I envision a lot of "civil unrest" much like the '60s...but no real legitimacy basis like the civil rights movement.



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Post by: vaskidmark on August 14, 2014, 08:19:24 PM
Get yoself a righteous killin piece here

http://www.fortturner.com/store/



Lot less 'splainin' to do with one of these on the rear floorboard (now how did that get there?).

http://www.estwing.com/ao_campers_axe.php
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Post by: vaskidmark on August 14, 2014, 08:21:30 PM
The nooze is full of the Misery State Po-leece takin' over from the locals.

Sounds like a good time to drop the hammer on the interstates, seein' as all the Troopers have been diverted to Fun City.

stay safe.
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
The nooze is full of the Misery State Po-leece takin' over from the locals.

Sounds like a good time to drop the hammer on the interstates, seein' as all the Troopers have been diverted to Fun City.

stay safe.

Jesus H Christ, the MHP officer in charge of the contingent is joining the *expletive deleted*ing rioters instead of bustin' heads.

Yep, this is going to solve the issue.

The only language these mother *expletive deleted*ers speak is force. Until society grows a *expletive deleted*ing spine and starts busting some heads and putting some shitheads in the ground, then the animals will continue to prey on the law abiding citizens...





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Post by: zxcvbob on August 14, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Jesus H Christ, the MHP officer in charge of the contingent is joining the *expletive deleted* rioters instead of bustin' heads.

Yep, this is going to solve the issue.

The only language these mother *expletive deleted*ers speak is force. Until society grows a *expletive deleted* spine and starts busting some heads and putting some shitheads in the ground, then the animals will continue to prey on the law abiding citizens...




You've got shitheads on both sides.  I'm all for bustin' heads as long as that works both ways.  (I'll probably get a demerit on TFL for suggesting they lock the cops and the New Black Panthers in a big stadium with plenty of baseball bats for both and let them work out their differences w/o involving the locals)

I really hope MHP can deescalate things.  The local cops are provocateurs, probably out of solidarity for the cop that shot that young man -- whom I doubt was *totally* innocent in the situation, but how many ppl are ever total innocent.
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Post by: MillCreek on August 14, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Lot less 'splainin' to do with one of these on the rear floorboard (now how did that get there?).

http://www.estwing.com/ao_campers_axe.php

http://www.amazon.com/Innovation-Factory-Truckers-All-Purpose-Survival/dp/B005HAT9SM
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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 09:28:44 PM
Where I work, most of my egress routes take me through the *expletive deleted* of milwaukee. There have been 'incidents' involving large groups of yoots that have made the national news in the last few years in places that I normally drive through- all without a cop shooting to set them off.

Sure, but I just have trouble envisioning a situation where you stop, retrieve rifle from the trunk, and then start shooting. If it's so bad you need a rifle, it's far to bad to stop and pull it out of the trunk.

Not being a jerk, it's just confusing to me what the intended deployment scenario is.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 14, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
Better to have it and not need it...
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 10:34:28 PM
Sure, but I just have trouble envisioning a situation where you stop, retrieve rifle from the trunk, and then start shooting. If it's so bad you need a rifle, it's far to bad to stop and pull it out of the trunk.

Not being a jerk, it's just confusing to me what the intended deployment scenario is.

Vehicles are rather vulnerable to being disabled and/or blocked in.

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Post by: vaskidmark on August 14, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Neu Yawkers gather at Union Square for solidarity, then decide to walk up the streets to Times Square, blocking traffic as they swarm go.  The 99% are on the move.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-yorkers-stage-demonstrations-michael-brown-article-1.1904265

The pictures of the "moment of silence" are confusing to me.  Are they actually silently chanting, or has the notion of "a moment of silence" been revised?

stay safe.
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 14, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
"Anonymous" is calling for Days of Rage protests across the country.

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Post by: Balog on August 14, 2014, 11:33:48 PM
Vehicles are rather vulnerable to being disabled and/or blocked in.



And in that scenario you envision being able to grab it from the trunk then repel boarders?

Not sarcastic, I really am wondering.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 14, 2014, 11:43:50 PM
Funny I would have expected this out of East St Louis, not one of the western Burbs.

Well, it's North County.


Help me out here, folks.

The cops were lambasted for doing nothing, and letting looters take over on Sunday night. Now, the past two or three days, all I hear is that the cops are being "heavy-handed," and shouldn't be pointing rifles at people, using tear gas, being all military-like. Concerns about the militarization of police seems to have gone mainstream.

 ???

If anything, Ferguson seems to be a case that would justify all of that military hardware. Looting, arson, Molotov cocktails, random gunfire? From what I'm reading, a lot of the "protests" are centered around the Quiktrip, as if to leave no doubt that they intend more of the same.

What is your take?
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 12:03:49 AM

No rioters ever saw them. According to the story, that store is in Florissant - next door to Ferguson, but not that close.


I was wrong. Apparently, that store is closer to ground zero than I had thought.

And there was a shoe store looted by about 30-40 people in south city, nowhere near Ferguson, so...
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Post by: Balog on August 15, 2014, 12:51:58 AM
I think the cops using their rifles scopes like binoculars and aiming in on people who were not threats is incredibly wrong on every level and should get the morons fired and charged.
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Post by: vaskidmark on August 15, 2014, 07:23:19 AM
I think the cops using their rifles scopes like binoculars and aiming in on people who were not threats is incredibly wrong on every level and should get the morons fired and charged.

Which is it?

Using optics to get a closer look, or using optics to aim (as in select and prepare to shoot)?

Will you next be calling out hunters that use their rifle-mounted scopes to check out the terrain looking to see if they can spot whatever it is they'd like to hunt (you know, aim at, shoot, and kill)?

What, if any, difference is there between the cops and "overwatch" teams in Afghanistan?  Neither is glassing the area with the intent of shooting everything that comes into their field of view.  (And I understand the cops have much stricter ROE that the folks in the 'Stan.)

stay safe.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 07:23:56 AM
I think the cops using their rifles scopes like binoculars and aiming in on people who were not threats is incredibly wrong on every level and should get the morons fired and charged.


Obviously.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 08:44:34 AM
I just realized what they need in Ferguson.

Lots of rain.
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Post by: brimic on August 15, 2014, 08:46:37 AM
Sure, but I just have trouble envisioning a situation where you stop, retrieve rifle from the trunk, and then start shooting. If it's so bad you need a rifle, it's far to bad to stop and pull it out of the trunk.

Not being a jerk, it's just confusing to me what the intended deployment scenario is.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/05/report-black-mobs-attack-white-patrons-outside-wis-state-fair/

This is not where I work, this is further out in the 'burbs where black mob violence isn't supposed to happen.

And yes, if my family were in the car, I would shoot any *expletive deleted*er that made a threatening move toward them. They were pulling 'white' people out of their cars and beating them.


I narrowly missed a 'juneteenth day' celebration gone awry a few years ago because I simply selected a different route on my way home that day. One of my coworkers went through the area right as the rioting started warming up and only had a few people jump up and down on their car.

This one happened a couple of blocks form where i work in a place I drive through every day.   http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/125027704.html
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Post by: KD5NRH on August 15, 2014, 09:40:21 AM
Will you next be calling out hunters that use their rifle-mounted scopes to check out the terrain looking to see if they can spot whatever it is they'd like to hunt (you know, aim at, shoot, and kill)?

Pointing a gun at something you're not fully prepared to kill?  Seems to me I read a rule against that somewhere.

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What, if any, difference is there between the cops and "overwatch" teams in Afghanistan?  Neither is glassing the area with the intent of shooting everything that comes into their field of view.  (And I understand the cops have much stricter ROE that the folks in the 'Stan.)

Pretty solid expectation that everything in many of those areas is either a valid target or a safe backstop.  That's hardly the case in a US city.
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Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 10:14:37 AM
Pointing a gun at something you're not fully prepared to kill?  Seems to me I read a rule against that somewhere.

Pretty solid expectation that everything in many of those areas is either a valid target or a safe backstop.  That's hardly the case in a US city.

Absolutely not.  The vast majority of the war zone is not either a valid target or a safe backstop.  Again I point out that the ROE of those overwatch teams is stricter then that that the officers very likely have. (which is it's own problem)

I generally feel like cops need to stop pointing weapons at people as much as they do.  And it sure is shaping up to sound like the cop that shot Brown was firmly in the wrong.  But at this point we have a pretty severe breakdown of civil society, and in the context of that breakdown, I can see both the tactical need, and the moral justification for giving police sharpshooters very clear cut ROE (defend victims, not Ruby Ridge) and allowing them to set up overwatch and OP's and vector other forces in.  Doing so with scoped precision rifles makes sense (you can collect info for vectoring, and if needed go to engagement).  Yes, it's a more offensive role then LEO's normally take.

Obviously at the end of the civil unrest such practices should be curtailed.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 15, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Driving cross country with family tomorrow.  Will be upgrading defenses and not going near Chicago
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Post by: wmenorr67 on August 15, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Driving cross country with family tomorrow.  Will be upgrading defenses and not going near Chicago

Stay away from West St Louis also.
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Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 10:24:46 AM
Driving cross country with family tomorrow.  Will be upgrading defenses and not going near Chicago

That's just generally a good idea.

Side, semi related note:  One of the things I have found to like the most about my AR/w Sig Brace, is as far as the law, traveling and my CCW it's a pistol :angel: which has some advantages for better concealed firepower in the car or hotel room.  Not to mention traveling with an SBR is more paperworky than a pistol.
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Post by: Ben on August 15, 2014, 10:34:51 AM
Driving cross country with family tomorrow.  Will be upgrading defenses and not going near Chicago

Good plan. Interestingly, I saw that a police shooting of an allegedly handcuffed black man in Los Angeles on Monday was quiet for a couple of days, but then created a minor protest/riot/looting situation yesterday because of copycating on the Ferguson news, so while chances are low that you'll run into trouble, they're certainly higher than normal.

On a side note, I guess a good thing coming out of all this is that I saw on Fox news that there's now bipartisan support for reducing the availability of military equipment to LE. Where I fully agree with Dogmush's post regarding the snipers, etc., I wonder how this would have escalated or not had the cops remained in Andy Taylor mode a while longer. Perhaps there would have been more shouting and less destruction. Once looting and property destruction start however, I have no problems with tear gas and rubber (or real) bullets aimed at valid targets.
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Post by: HankB on August 15, 2014, 10:58:52 AM
. . . They were pulling 'white' people out of their cars and beating them . . .
Was vehicular traffic that badly gridlocked, or did the victims forget they were behind the wheel of a 3000 lb, 200hp battering ram?

With all the looting the news says is going on, I'm actually kind of surprised we haven't read about an armed shopkeeper stacking up a bunch of goons in the entrance of his store as they surged through a broken door or window . . .
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Post by: Jim147 on August 15, 2014, 11:01:49 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326

What will they say now if the guy did just rob a store?

jim
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Post by: AJ Dual on August 15, 2014, 11:14:05 AM
That's just generally a good idea.

Side, semi related note:  One of the things I have found to like the most about my AR/w Sig Brace, is as far as the law, traveling and my CCW it's a pistol :angel: which has some advantages for better concealed firepower in the car or hotel room.  Not to mention traveling with an SBR is more paperworky than a pistol.

Because cops that shoot an unarmed man with his hands over his head and the family Labrador Retriever will see your Sig Brace and say "Oh! Sig Brace! You're good to go Mr. dogmush!"  :rofl:

'Sokay... I get it. I'm a big proponent of the Sig Brace for it's legal advantages over a SBR as well, but you have to admit, on it's face, that's funny.  =D
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Post by: KD5NRH on August 15, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Was vehicular traffic that badly gridlocked, or did the victims forget they were behind the wheel of a 3000 lb, 200hp battering ram?

People don't like to think of it that way.  If they did, there would be more liability attached to using it to intimidate people in traffic.

What will they say now if the guy did just rob a store?

Considering his buddy and key witness's mouthpiece rolled on him, I guess we get to find out.

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Johnson’s lawyer confirmed to MSNBC on Friday that Brown had taken the cigars from the store.
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Post by: Tallpine on August 15, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326

What will they say now if the guy did just rob a store?

jim

That it's okay to shoot suspected robbers who have their hands in the air...?   =|
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Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
Because cops that shoot an unarmed man with his hands over his head and the family Labrador Retriever will see your Sig Brace and say "Oh! Sig Brace! You're good to go Mr. dogmush!"  :rofl:


No definitely not. I draw one of those guys I'm probably hosed.  But the guy one that pulls me over for 82 in a 70 on I-95 might be swayed by the whole "it's a pistol" thing.  Failing that, it should keep me out of jail in the aftermath of the traffic stop.  
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 15, 2014, 11:47:41 AM
Ok to shoot?

Depends more on what the cop believed. If he had just got smacked around by a robbery suspect who grabbed for his gun that same guy turning to face him again better not lean forward or it might be perceived as round 2.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 15, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/?tid=sm_fb

Pics
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Post by: SADShooter on August 15, 2014, 12:21:38 PM
So, officer responds to suspected robbery, possible assault. Not in itself justification for the shoot, but perhaps insight on the officer's state.
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Post by: fifth_column on August 15, 2014, 12:29:49 PM
Wow, so here we go.  The police were right to kill this guy, after all, he just stole a box of cigars!  In fact, he stole them in an aggravated manner!  That cop was in fear for his life as the guy raised his hands, how was the cop to know he didn't have a live grenade in his pants?  And of course the people that are tired of putting up with the heavy-handed demands from cops should just suck it up and realize that they're only being treated like scum, because in fact, they are scum!

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Post by: KD5NRH on August 15, 2014, 12:30:20 PM
So, officer responds to suspected robbery, possible assault. Not in itself justification for the shoot, but perhaps insight on the officer's state.

Also, it would be interesting to hear how it was dispatched; I wouldn't be surprised if it was something along the lines of "violent robbery, two suspects, unknown weapons."
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Post by: Balog on August 15, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/05/report-black-mobs-attack-white-patrons-outside-wis-state-fair/

This is not where I work, this is further out in the 'burbs where black mob violence isn't supposed to happen.

And yes, if my family were in the car, I would shoot any *expletive deleted*er that made a threatening move toward them. They were pulling 'white' people out of their cars and beating them.


I narrowly missed a 'juneteenth day' celebration gone awry a few years ago because I simply selected a different route on my way home that day. One of my coworkers went through the area right as the rioting started warming up and only had a few people jump up and down on their car.

This one happened a couple of blocks form where i work in a place I drive through every day.   http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/125027704.html

When the mob is surrounding your car, how are you going to get the rifle out of your trunk?

That's sort of the crux of my whole point here. I'm not saying there are no scenarios where having a rifle wouldn't be good, I just have trouble seeing how one would be able to deploy your rifle in those scenarios.

Not arguing, I am honestly curious.
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Post by: Balog on August 15, 2014, 01:18:26 PM
Which is it?

Using optics to get a closer look, or using optics to aim (as in select and prepare to shoot)?

Will you next be calling out hunters that use their rifle-mounted scopes to check out the terrain looking to see if they can spot whatever it is they'd like to hunt (you know, aim at, shoot, and kill)?

What, if any, difference is there between the cops and "overwatch" teams in Afghanistan?  Neither is glassing the area with the intent of shooting everything that comes into their field of view.  (And I understand the cops have much stricter ROE that the folks in the 'Stan.)

stay safe.

1. Semantic difference. I don't think cops should be pointing guns at people who are in no way a threat.
2. One is a peace officer in his home country, one is a soldier in a foreign war zone? I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question.
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Post by: wmenorr67 on August 15, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
When the mob is surrounding your car, how are you going to get the rifle out of your trunk?

That's sort of the crux of my whole point here. I'm not saying there are no scenarios where having a rifle wouldn't be good, I just have trouble seeing how one would be able to deploy your rifle in those scenarios.

Not arguing, I am honestly curious.

I've thought that if I ever have a decent enough truck, I would mount a rifle rack just over the windshield from the roof.
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Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 01:25:47 PM
I've thought that if I ever have a decent enough truck, I would mount a rifle rack just over the windshield from the roof.

http://www.vdpusa.com/truck/shelf-it.php

I had one of these on my Bronco, and will have another on my next F150.  Handy as heck, and with tinted windows keeps the rifle out of sight.

There's also an AR fold-for storage adapter that would allow a 10" or so barrel to fit in the center console of many trucks.
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Post by: Balog on August 15, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
http://www.vdpusa.com/truck/shelf-it.php

I had one of these on my Bronco, and will have another on my next F150.  Handy as heck, and with tinted windows keeps the rifle out of sight.

There's also an AR fold-for storage adapter that would allow a 10" or so barrel to fit in the center console of many trucks.

Wish they made those for Subarus.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 15, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
http://www.vdpusa.com/truck/shelf-it.php

I had one of these on my Bronco, and will have another on my next F150.  Handy as heck, and with tinted windows keeps the rifle out of sight.

There's also an AR fold-for storage adapter that would allow a 10" or so barrel to fit in the center console of many trucks.

That would be it.  When I worked for an auto parts wholesaler we sold a few of those.
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Post by: vaskidmark on August 15, 2014, 04:48:45 PM
Driving cross country with family tomorrow.  Will be upgrading defenses and not going near Chicago

Pretty much SOP for pulling out of the driveway.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 15, 2014, 05:14:18 PM
Circumstances are still a muddle.  Though given that brown was a robbing thug not above intimidating those smaller than him...er i mean a st louis cardinals fan...i will shed at least one fewer tear for the late mr brown.
Title: Re: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
Circumstances are still a muddle.  Though given that brown was a robbing thug not above intimidating those smaller than him...er i mean a st louis cardinals fan...i will shed at least one fewer tear for the late mr brown.

One thing is not a muddle:  Whatever the circumstances surrounding the initial shoot riots, damage, looting, and death threats are not an appropriate response before the justice system has even a chance to work.
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Post by: Tallpine on August 15, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
One thing is not a muddle:  Whatever the circumstances surrounding the initial shoot riots, damage, looting, and death threats are not an appropriate response before the justice system has even a chance to work rule that the police shooting was justified and followed accepted standards .

Fixed  ;)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: SteveS on August 15, 2014, 05:36:43 PM
Well, it's North County.


Help me out here, folks.

The cops were lambasted for doing nothing, and letting looters take over on Sunday night. Now, the past two or three days, all I hear is that the cops are being "heavy-handed," and shouldn't be pointing rifles at people, using tear gas, being all military-like. Concerns about the militarization of police seems to have gone mainstream.

 ???

If anything, Ferguson seems to be a case that would justify all of that military hardware. Looting, arson, Molotov cocktails, random gunfire? From what I'm reading, a lot of the "protests" are centered around the Quiktrip, as if to leave no doubt that they intend more of the same.

What is your take?

Good question, and I wonder if this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.  If I lived near there, I would want the police to do what they could to make it stop.  That being said, I am not willing to throw out due process and civil liberties to make it happen.  I am not convinced that the "heavy handed" tactics work all that well.  I am not suggesting that the police hand out cookies and open a kissing booth, but tear gassing reporters and people on their own property seems to be a little much.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
tear gassing reporters and people on their own property seems to be a little much.


This sounds a little like, "unarmed Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown." I'm about tired of people constantly phrasing things in this way, as if that explains anything. Being on your own property doesn't make you not a threat, or mean that you can't reasonably be seen as a threat. Nor does being unarmed, or being a reporter.

You may all now stupidly assume that I am siding with the police in these instances, when of course I am not.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 15, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
Stand on your front lawn as the riot police move in on crowd in front of your house? Darwin may not smile but he might grin a lil.

Tear gas is a might indiscriminate and reporters take their chances. I know i would regard live feeds being viewed by rioters as enemy intelligence gathering and would be inclined to treat it as such. Particularly if folks had been threatening to go to war


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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
Stay away from West St Louis also.


Scratching my head over this bit of advice. Traveling east to west, if you avoid the city itself, then I would think you would also avoid "West St. Louis." Though to be fair, I've never heard of West St. Louis, so I'm not sure where that would be.

Ferguson is one of the northern suburbs of St. Louis, a region known locally as "North County" (actually the northern part of St. Louis County).

West of the city proper, you do have some less attractive areas that border North County (maybe some on the southern edge, too, but I'm not as familiar therewith). In any case, once you get well away from the city proper, and avoid the north side, you're OK. If you travel due west through the western 'burbs, you're only in danger of being pulled over for failing to drive a late-model German import.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 15, 2014, 06:38:14 PM

This sounds a little like, "unarmed Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown." I'm about tired of people constantly phrasing things in this way, as if that explains anything. Being on your own property doesn't make you not a threat, or mean that you can't reasonably be seen as a threat. Nor does being unarmed, or being a reporter.

You may all now stupidly assume that I am siding with the police in these instances, when of course I am not.

Have you seen the incidents he is referring to? Reporters clearly just filming and nowhere near anyone who could be considered a threat, were targeted for tear gas and as soon as they ran off the cops rolled up and took down their camera gear, knocked over the lights and pointed the camera at the ground. Pretty clearly suppression of the press, not legitimate riot control. People who were standing in the own front yards might certainly be a lethal threat justifying use of force, but they can't really be considered rioters or looters thus justifying hitting them with gas or rubber bullets.

So yes, theoretically a reporter or an unarmed person standing in their yard might be a threat needing force used against them, but not in the actual cases we are discussing.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 15, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
Story where he admits to robbery
Great witness


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/
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Post by: dogmush on August 15, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
Stand on your front lawn as the riot police move in on crowd in front of your house? Darwin may not smile but he might grin a lil.

Tear gas is a might indiscriminate and reporters take their chances. I know i would regard live feeds being viewed by rioters as enemy intelligence gathering and would be inclined to treat it as such. Particularly if folks had been threatening to go to war


Actual soldiers in actual war zones don't get to do that* so you might want to reconsider letting wannabe soldiers in St. Louis give it a go.

*the DOD does exercise some control over embedded reporters but that power is explicitly denied to the troops they are embedded with,  not the equivalent of cops with tear gas.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Fitz on August 15, 2014, 07:50:38 PM

Tear gas is a might indiscriminate and reporters take their chances. I know i would regard live feeds being viewed by rioters as enemy intelligence gathering and would be inclined to treat it as such. Particularly if folks had been threatening to go to war


When in Iraq, fighting the Medhi Army and AQ, I was NOT allowed to use gas on agitated crowds. Nor rubber bullets. Nor was anyone else. It was EXPRESSLY prohibited.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 15, 2014, 08:03:35 PM
Have you seen the incidents he is referring to?

No.

I said:
[Don't] assume that I am siding with the police in these instances, when of course I am not.


My apologies to SteveS. I can't really expect people to spell out every little detail in a forum post. He was probably just being concise.


Quote
Reporters clearly just filming and nowhere near anyone who could be considered a threat, were targeted for tear gas and as soon as they ran off the cops rolled up and took down their camera gear, knocked over the lights and pointed the camera at the ground. Pretty clearly suppression of the press, not legitimate riot control. People who were standing in the own front yards might certainly be a lethal threat justifying use of force, but they can't really be considered rioters or looters thus justifying hitting them with gas or rubber bullets.

I guess this is the information I was asking for. I haven't seen some of the footage that others have seen. Also, I'm trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance of this event clueing people into the militarization of police, when they've ignored it in less rioty-looty conditions. I guess those smaller events didn't get as much news coverage.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: lee n. field on August 15, 2014, 09:16:12 PM
I just realized what they need in Ferguson.

Lots of rain.

forty days and nights.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 15, 2014, 10:08:40 PM
forty days and nights.

Either that or a large meteorite strike, something in the 100 meter size should do.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 15, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
I guess they aren't doing it right in Tulsa.
Here it's been 10 days snce the cop killed his daughter's boy friend and no charges filed.
So far as I've heard hasn't been a single riot.

http://www.newson6.com/story/26288821/rally-planned-for-tulsa-teen-reportedly-shot-killed-by-tulsa-police-officer (http://www.newson6.com/story/26288821/rally-planned-for-tulsa-teen-reportedly-shot-killed-by-tulsa-police-officer)

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 16, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
I just realized what they need in Ferguson.

Lots of rain.


Coool. Looks like we'll have rain all weekend.


FWIW:

I went for a jog in the park yesterday, and the black kids were playing with the white kids, as usual. This is about six miles from Ferguson.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ron on August 16, 2014, 09:23:01 AM
Why does the rioting and unrest seem to frequently occur in support of the most unsympathetic characters? If anything good comes out of this it will be the slowing down temporarily of the growing military police state. For about 15 minutes.

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://img.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2014/08/CROP_ferguson_robbery_2_image_982w.jpg&w=480)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 16, 2014, 10:34:33 AM
So Michael Brown had just robbed a store, but the cop didn't know that.  But he didn't know that the cop didn't know about it.  That makes for an interesting (and dangerous for everybody) dynamic. 

First shot could very easily have been justified.  Then the cop executed Brown as he was surrendering, because he was pissed about getting slugged in the face as they struggled at the car.  Or maybe not, but it still looks that way to me.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 16, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
The video footage seems to have upticked the looting. Doesn't make it look good for the community, especially after the change in LE leadership dealing with the situation. Also, when the Highway Patrol saw the looting start, they pulled back to "deescalate". I'm only armchair quarterbacking, but I think looting is exactly when you go in and break some heads. I've never understood the concept of "letting them do it so they can blow off steam". It's a disgusting behavior that requires a strong response - regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. That goes the same for the yuppie white kids that flip over cars and break stuff when their sports team loses, and the "anarchist" white kids that throw molotovs and destroy businesses in whatever city the G-8 happens to be visiting.

I didn't know that Brown has been positively identified from the video, but yeah, that kinda maybe changes things.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/16/ferguson-shooting-police-standoff/
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Post by: wmenorr67 on August 16, 2014, 10:40:38 AM
I guess they aren't doing it right in Tulsa.
Here it's been 10 days snce the cop killed his daughter's boy friend and no charges filed.
So far as I've heard hasn't been a single riot.

http://www.newson6.com/story/26288821/rally-planned-for-tulsa-teen-reportedly-shot-killed-by-tulsa-police-officer (http://www.newson6.com/story/26288821/rally-planned-for-tulsa-teen-reportedly-shot-killed-by-tulsa-police-officer)



Yep this one is a head scratcher.  The day after this happened the dad cop's attorney was all over saying that there was a justifiable defense.  Funny thing is cop didn't stick around and made the police find his SUV.


The video footage seems to have upticked the looting. Doesn't make it look good for the community, especially after the change in LE leadership dealing with the situation. Also, when the Highway Patrol saw the looting start, they pulled back to "deescalate". I'm only armchair quarterbacking, but I think looting is exactly when you go in and break some heads. I've never understood the concept of "letting them do it so they can blow off steam". It's a disgusting behavior that requires a strong response - regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. That goes the same for the yuppie white kids that flip over cars and break stuff when their sports team loses, and the "anarchist" white kids that throw molotovs and destroy businesses in whatever city the G-8 happens to be visiting.

I didn't know that Brown has been positively identified from the video, but yeah, that kinda maybe changes things.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/16/ferguson-shooting-police-standoff/

The buddy admitted to the theft.



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Post by: Boomhauer on August 16, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
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Then the cop executed Brown as he was surrendering, because he was pissed about getting slugged in the face as they struggled at the car.  Or maybe not, but it still looks that way to me.

Oh share with us the full details of the encounter, oh clairvoyant one! So do you know exactly what happened, or are you putting forth theories? Because from what I've seen, not much of the real details of the encounter has been released but damn sure every talking head on TV is calling it "murder" based on their FEELINGS. The only solid details we do know is that a *expletive deleted*in huge guy just strong-armed a store where he choked a store clerk and then he proceeds down the street where he encounters a police officer later, and I doubt that it was a peaceful encounter that resulted in Brown getting shot. But once again, we don't really know the details other than the encounter happened, the officer has a visible facial injury, and Brown is in the morgue. But, do tell me, how do you think a fight with a 300lb 6'2" guy is going to go for the average person?

The whole hoopla is not much different than the exalted experts claiming that Tony Stewart "damn well meant to hit that kid" in the sprint car. Everybody's an expert, nobody is taking the time to step back and consider the facts and withhold judgement until details come out.

Also, I really want to know how the same news media that can't get one *expletive deleted* detail right when it comes to 2nd amendment issues, defense encounters, etc is suddenly a trusted source of information.





Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Triphammer on August 16, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
If we are to believe the second witness, this was murder. I know, no video. But, first shot, in the car, good shoot. Second shot maybe third, fleeing felon, good shoot. the follow up shots till he's down. NOT good shot.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 16, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
Quote
Oh share with us the full details of the encounter, oh clairvoyant one! So do you know exactly what happened, or are you putting forth theories? Because from what I've seen, not much of the real details of the encounter has been released but damn sure every talking head on TV is calling it "murder" based on their FEELINGS. The only solid details we do know is that a F'in huge guy just strong-armed a store where he choked a store clerk and then he proceeds down the street where he encounters a police officer later, and I doubt that it was a peaceful encounter that resulted in Brown getting shot. But once again, we don't really know the details other than the encounter happened, the officer has a visible facial injury, and Brown is in the morgue. But, do tell me, how do you think a fight with a 300lb 6'2" guy is going to go for the average person?

I don't have full details yet, my opinion is changing as more evidence surfaces.  All the eyewitnesses say Brown had stopped and had his hands up when the cop shot him multiple times.  Eyewitnesses are not very reliable, and these are all saying different things; this is the one point they all agree on.  IMHO, that's better than everybody saying the same thing like they had rehearsed it.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 16, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
I don't have full details yet, my opinion is changing as more evidence surfaces.  All the eyewitnesses say Brown had stopped and had his hands up when the cop shot him multiple times.  Eyewitnesses are not very reliable, and these are all saying different things; this is the one point they all agree on.  IMHO, that's better than everybody saying the same thing like they had rehearsed it.

Demonstrably untrue
You forgot one witness
So far there are 4 and one is a proven liar and the other 2 got to the party late
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 16, 2014, 05:26:49 PM
One wonders what the point was of bringing in the Highway Patrol.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 16, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
So Michael Brown had just robbed a store, but the cop didn't know that.  But he didn't know that the cop didn't know about it.  That makes for an interesting (and dangerous for everybody) dynamic. 

Indeed. Brown is hostile, expecting arrest; the cop is caught by surprise.
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Post by: Angel Eyes on August 16, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/jackstraw4449/looting_zps3b60b1d1.jpeg) (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/jackstraw4449/media/looting_zps3b60b1d1.jpeg.html)
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 16, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/jackstraw4449/looting_zps3b60b1d1.jpeg) (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/jackstraw4449/media/looting_zps3b60b1d1.jpeg.html)

Yo, I liberated these Air Jordans from the man in honor of Michael Brown!

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 16, 2014, 08:32:47 PM
(http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25899/59493.JPG)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 16, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
The results of Jesse Jackson asking for donations from the looters protestors.

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/16/in-ferguson-jesse-jackson-reportedly-booed-after-asking-crowd-for-donations/
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Post by: Stand_watie on August 16, 2014, 09:18:13 PM
The results of Jesse Jackson asking for donations from the looters protestors.

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/16/in-ferguson-jesse-jackson-reportedly-booed-after-asking-crowd-for-donations/

What a tool.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jamie B on August 17, 2014, 12:01:30 AM
One wonders what the point was of bringing in the Highway Patrol.

Evidentially to observe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 17, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
"Johnson assured those at the news conference that police would not enforce the curfew with armored trucks and tear gas but would communicate with protesters and give them ample opportunity to leave. Nixon and Johnson were flanked by numerous local elected officials, including U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr., who urged Johnson to be flexible with the midnight curfew."
From :http://woodtv.com/2014/08/16/emergency-declared-curfew-imposed-in-ferguson/

"On Friday night, Greg Thomas didn’t see the familiar faces of protesters who have taken to the streets each night this week. Instead, he saw new people, younger, more eager for a confrontation with police. The 28-year-old former Marine said he left as quickly as he could when he heard people talking about getting their handguns.

“There’s three agendas out there,” Thomas said. “People who want to party, people who want to be martyrs and get killed by police, and the people here to protest.”"

"Nixon said the U.S. Department of Justice is beefing up its civil rights investigation of the shooting."

I realize that the timelines are a bit off but does anyone else get a strange,deja vu creepy feeling when reading an article from 2014 including the names Nixon,Johnson,& the Black Panthers.And then Justice Department and civil rights investigation?
It's almost like a bad Hollywood re-make joke.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 17, 2014, 12:34:52 AM
"Johnson assured those at the news conference that police would not enforce the curfew with armored trucks and tear gas but would communicate with protesters and give them ample opportunity to leave. Nixon and Johnson were flanked by numerous local elected officials, including U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr., who urged Johnson to be flexible with the midnight curfew."
From :http://woodtv.com/2014/08/16/emergency-declared-curfew-imposed-in-ferguson/
s

What the hell is the point of the curfew if they are going to be really soft with it...

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"On Friday night, Greg Thomas didn’t see the familiar faces of protesters who have taken to the streets each night this week. Instead, he saw new people, younger, more eager for a confrontation with police. The 28-year-old former Marine said he left as quickly as he could when he heard people talking about getting their handguns.

“There’s three agendas out there,” Thomas said. “People who want to party, people who want to be martyrs and get killed by police, and the people here to protest.”"

Smart dude here. Unass the AO when trouble is brewing. He's pretty much nailed it.
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"Nixon said the U.S. Department of Justice is beefing up its civil rights investigation of the shooting."

I realize that the timelines are a bit off but does anyone else get a strange,deja vu creepy feeling when reading an article from 2014 including the names Nixon,Johnson,& the Black Panthers.And then Justice Department and civil rights investigation?
It's almost like a bad Hollywood re-make joke.

No *expletive deleted*it. It's sounding like some of the bad times from the '60s/70s out there
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jamie B on August 17, 2014, 01:09:16 AM
"Johnson assured those at the news conference that police would not enforce the curfew with armored trucks and tear gas but would communicate with protesters and give them ample opportunity to leave. Nixon and Johnson were flanked by numerous local elected officials, including U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr., who urged Johnson to be flexible with the midnight curfew."
From :http://woodtv.com/2014/08/16/emergency-declared-curfew-imposed-in-ferguson/

"On Friday night, Greg Thomas didn’t see the familiar faces of protesters who have taken to the streets each night this week. Instead, he saw new people, younger, more eager for a confrontation with police. The 28-year-old former Marine said he left as quickly as he could when he heard people talking about getting their handguns.

“There’s three agendas out there,” Thomas said. “People who want to party, people who want to be martyrs and get killed by police, and the people here to protest.”"

"Nixon said the U.S. Department of Justice is beefing up its civil rights investigation of the shooting."

I realize that the timelines are a bit off but does anyone else get a strange,deja vu creepy feeling when reading an article from 2014 including the names Nixon,Johnson,& the Black Panthers.And then Justice Department and civil rights investigation?
It's almost like a bad Hollywood re-make joke.

The governor did not handle himself well in the news conference.

He was either petrified or stupid.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 17, 2014, 01:29:02 AM
The governor did not handle himself well in the news conference.

He was either petrified or stupid.


Too bad this couldn't have happened on his first term, and maybe helped us get rid of him sooner.


Here's what's been going on since the curfew went into effect. Or didn't.  ;/

http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/
Title: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jamie B on August 17, 2014, 01:53:45 AM

Too bad this couldn't have happened on his first term, and maybe helped us get rid of him sooner.


Here's what's been going on since the curfew went into effect. Or didn't.  ;/

http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/

Yea, I'm watching CCN's live feed.

Lot of tear gas - they just need to arrest these clowns.

ETA smoke not gas.....yet.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
So I just read a story that had a very short, almost aside, that the feds tried to stop the release of the robbery footage. Why try to suppress key evidence? I have a good idea why of course, but am hoping Joe Average American begins to ask the question as well.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 17, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
Are cigars on the back to school shoplifting list now  ???
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 17, 2014, 10:33:14 AM
Angel
http://soopermexican.com/2014/08/15/listen-to-mike-browns-very-explicit-rap-songs-featuring-drugs-drinking-and-murder/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Scout26 on August 17, 2014, 10:40:17 AM
Which is it?

Using optics to get a closer look, or using optics to aim (as in select and prepare to shoot)?

Will you next be calling out hunters that use their rifle-mounted scopes to check out the terrain looking to see if they can spot whatever it is they'd like to hunt (you know, aim at, shoot, and kill)?

What, if any, difference is there between the cops and "overwatch" teams in Afghanistan?  Neither is glassing the area with the intent of shooting everything that comes into their field of view.  (And I understand the cops have much stricter ROE that the folks in the 'Stan.)

stay safe.

As a hunter, (and if you watch any hunting TV show), you use your bino's to get a closer view, identify your target, your NEVER use your firearm's scope for that purpose (Rule #2).  We also stress this in Hunter Safety Ed.

And the difference between the cops and an "Overwatch" Team in Afghanistan is that THE POLICE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Or at least they should not be.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 17, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
Are cigars on the back to school shoplifting list now  ???

Cigar boxes.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 17, 2014, 10:52:03 AM
Game changer?
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/
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Post by: Tallpine on August 17, 2014, 11:04:56 AM
Game changer?
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

Would be nice to get that information from a non-malignant web site  :mad:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 17, 2014, 11:25:08 AM
So I just read a story that had a very short, almost aside, that the feds tried to stop the release of the robbery footage. Why try to suppress key evidence? I have a good idea why of course, but am hoping Joe Average American begins to ask the question as well.


Because it shows a hulking brown shaking a little store clerk like a terrier shakes a rat?

The image of Michael Brown the feds, the race baiters, and the media wants you to see:

(http://action.naacp.org/page/-/images/user_uploads/feature/justice-for-michael-brown.png/@mx_605)

Yes, that is pulled straight off the NAACP web site.

I don't know about you, but an innocent looking 12 y.o. boy didn't rob that store.

And the snow job appears to have worked, because it looks like most of America believes it's the innocent kid walking down the street who was GUNNED DOWN by the RRRRRRAAACCCCCCIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTT EEEEEVVIIIILLLLL JBT...when the truth is quite a bit *expletive deleted*ing different.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 17, 2014, 11:28:42 AM
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A pouring rain hit the area shortly before midnight. It had rained off and on throughout the evening, but the midnight storms almost seemed providential. Police lights flashed across the wet pavement. Officers, already soaked, stood in their places.


Well, I did pray that it would rain last night.  =)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 17, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
As a hunter, (and if you watch any hunting TV show), you use your bino's to get a closer view, identify your target, your NEVER use your firearm's scope for that purpose (Rule #2).  We also stress this in Hunter Safety Ed.

And the difference between the cops and an "Overwatch" Team in Afghanistan is that THE POLICE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Or at least they should not be.

Agreed.

Except -

Police are not issued binos.  They are "forced" to use what they have.

Cops are never trained on the Four Rules (or so it seems).  Hunter Safety Ed. is not on the Academy curriculum.

Who says the cops are not at war with the American citizens?  Have you read the stuff coming out of DHS and the Fusion Centers, or on some of the cop boards?  Officer Krupke does not help Granny across the street any more because he's convinced she is wearing a suicide vest, just like he's antciptating that you are going to ignite your car bomb when he comes up to hand you your citation for going three miles over the speed limit.*

I don't agree with what's going on.  I just call them like I see them.

stay safe.

* - It's getting seriously serious out there.  The county PD here has made it official (as in a disciplinary issue) that cops will wait for backup before approaching any vehicle they stop after dark, or any vehicle already on the side of the road regardless of time of day.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 17, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/17/speechless-you-wont-believe-what-huffpo-journo-arrested-in-ferguson-thought-were-rubber-bullets-photo/

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Viking on August 17, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/17/speechless-you-wont-believe-what-huffpo-journo-arrested-in-ferguson-thought-were-rubber-bullets-photo/

 :rofl:
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/17/cananyoneconfirm-rubber-bullets-ear-plugs-same-diff-help-confused-huffpo-journo-confirm-more-photos/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter
Let the mockery begin. :rofl:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2014, 02:18:42 PM
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/17/speechless-you-wont-believe-what-huffpo-journo-arrested-in-ferguson-thought-were-rubber-bullets-photo/

 :rofl:

You laugh (so did I), but these are the numbskulls that somehow feel qualified to write about firearms issues, and are taken at their word by a whole hoard of other numbskulls who, sadly, vote.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 17, 2014, 02:29:44 PM
Who says the cops are not at war with the American citizens?  Have you read the stuff coming out of DHS and the Fusion Centers, or on some of the cop boards?  Officer Krupke does not help Granny across the street any more because he's convinced she is wearing a suicide vest, just like he's antciptating that you are going to ignite your car bomb when he comes up to hand you your citation for going three miles over the speed limit.


You're being sarcastic, right? Right?

I believe that was sarcasm. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 17, 2014, 09:41:12 PM
Because it shows a hulking brown shaking a little store clerk like a terrier shakes a rat?

The image of Michael Brown the feds, the race baiters, and the media wants you to see:

(http://action.naacp.org/page/-/images/user_uploads/feature/justice-for-michael-brown.png/@mx_605)

Yes, that is pulled straight off the NAACP web site.

I don't know about you, but an innocent looking 12 y.o. boy didn't rob that store.

And the snow job appears to have worked, because it looks like most of America believes it's the innocent kid walking down the street who was GUNNED DOWN by the RRRRRRAAACCCCCCIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTT EEEEEVVIIIILLLLL JBT...when the truth is quite a bit *expletive deleted* different.

That's from the same playbook thjey used in the Trayvon Martin shooting. All the photos we saw of poor little Trayvon were from years ago, when he was about 12. They didn't want us to know he was taller and more muscular than poor George.

Same deal here. In that security video, Brown towers over the store clerk, and he looks pretty husky on top of that. I wouldn't want to go mano a mano with him.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 17, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
Would be nice to get that information from a non-malignant web site  :mad:

??

I saw that article, too. What's malignant about the site?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 17, 2014, 10:03:43 PM
??

I saw that article, too. What's malignant about the site?
Well, it locked up one browser, and another browser said it was a phishing attack  =(
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 17, 2014, 10:15:51 PM
Well, it locked up one browser, and another browser said it was a phishing attack  =(
Your browsers are choking on dog hair.The linky worked for me too.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 17, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Your browsers are choking on dog hair.The linky worked for me too.
Tried it again and was finally able to read it, but thirty minutes later it was still downloading *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jim147 on August 17, 2014, 11:28:13 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=2&referrer=

I thought he was shot in the back running away with his hands up?

jim
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 18, 2014, 12:50:15 AM
Justice for Michael Brown

(http://images.wisegeek.com/3d-ultrasound.jpg)

(See?  He's got his hands up.)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 18, 2014, 03:04:22 AM
Sigh: more shenanigans this morning, it seems.

"Remember that business we were planning to open in Ferguson, like, ever?"
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 18, 2014, 06:35:39 AM
"Independent" autopsy report released says he was shot at least 6 times, 2 of which were in the head and none appeared to be from close range.

Also the National Guard has been ordered in since last night.  Going to get real interesting now.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 07:14:04 AM
"Independent" autopsy report released says he was shot at least 6 times, 2 of which were in the head and none appeared to be from close range.

Also the National Guard has been ordered in since last night.  Going to get real interesting now.

4 shots hit him in the arm, and 1 "on the top of the head, possibly indicating he was falling forward."  Nothing on where  the 6th shot went.

Several years ago Force Science Institute did detailed research to try and explain why suspects that cops swore were facing them ended up being shot in the back.  They came up with a logical, repeatable explanation based on the time it takes for the body to respond to a decision to stop pulling the trigger and how fast a subject can turn.  IIRC several cops have been exonerated, based on that research, of charges of shooting a suspect in the back.

So the National Guard has arrived.  I hope they have spent the previous week practicing their civil disturbance control drills.  My big question - will they get hickory sticks or is some genius going to try to have them intimidate a crowd with M-4s with sheathed bayonnets attached? (Can you stick a bayonet on the end of an M-4?)  Can you actually do a vertical butt stroke with an M-4 that does not break off the collapsable stock?

(For the MLK, Jr. memorial festivities we had M-14s and some supply sergeant (may he never run out of cold beer) found long-style M-1 bayonets for us to stick on the end. =D  Also, for the curious, we had a full magazine in the magazine pouch and not even Baby Jeebus would have been able to save the Marine that locked and loaded without an actual written order, to him by name, rank, and serial number, firmly in hand.)

stay safe.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 18, 2014, 07:21:47 AM
4 shots hit him in the arm, and 1 "on the top of the head, possibly indicating he was falling forward."  Nothing on where  the 6th shot went.

Several years ago Force Science Institute did detailed research to try and explain why suspects that cops swore were facing them ended up being shot in the back.  They came up with a logical, repeatable explanation based on the time it takes for the body to respond to a decision to stop pulling the trigger and how fast a subject can turn.  IIRC several cops have been exonerated, based on that research, of charges of shooting a suspect in the back.


The fancy M.E. brought in by the family has said that all shots went into the front. And the 6th shot was right in the eyeball.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 18, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
So then they are calling their sons friend a liar?


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Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
Interesting. I saw the head shot described as "possibly bent forward", which can be a completely different context than "falling" over, depending on if there are any powder burns.

Not sure if the Highway Patrol captain is helping or hurting:

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Earlier in the day, Johnson said he had met members of Brown's family and the experience "brought tears to my eyes and shame to my heart."
"When this is over," he told the crowd, "I'm going to go in my son's room. My black son, who wears his pants sagging, who wears his hat cocked to the side, got tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby."
Johnson added: "We all need to thank the Browns for Michael. Because Michael's going to make it better for our sons to be better black men."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/private-autopsy-on-michael-brown-reveals-that-was-shot-six-times-report-says/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 18, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
Interesting. I saw the head shot described as "possibly bent forward", which can be a completely different context than "falling" over, depending on if there are any powder burns.

Especially if, as apparently confirmed by the accidental recording of witness statements, Brown was bum rushing the officer. Brown was a big, hulking guy, so if the officer was small and Brown was rushing him it's very likely that Brown's head would have been down rather than looking at the birds overhead.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 10:22:31 AM
I'm only armchair quarterbacking, but I think looting is exactly when you go in and break some heads. I've never understood the concept of "letting them do it so they can blow off steam". It's a disgusting behavior that requires a strong response - regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

Exactly; letting them get away with it just leads to them seeing how far they can push the limit.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Police are not issued binos.  They are "forced" to use what they have.

$30 at WalMart.  Less than the cost of a good evening at the bar.  (Or in the patrol car, depending on the department.)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 10:27:52 AM
MO Lt. Gov. was on Fox News, ripping the Gov. several new ones over the responses (and lack of responses) to date.

Are the Lt. Gov. and Gov. of different political parties?

Is the Lt. Gov. gearing up for a race against a more-favored-in-the-polls opponent in the next election for the Gov. slot?

Very strange to hear the #2 guy tearing into/tearing down the #1 guy.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 10:34:07 AM
$30 at WalMart.  Less than the cost of a good evening at the bar.  (Or in the patrol car, depending on the department.)

Citizens get all bent out of shape when they hear that teachers have to buy their own classroom supplies.  But you are suggesting that the cops go out and buy their own equipment?

Or are you suggesting that they cut a few purchase orders and then get ripped for not opening up competitive bidding, or for "wasting" the taxpayers' dollars on cheap stuff that's not even made in the USA?

My previous comment on this was made to note the reality of the situation, not to open discusion of what could be if somebody (anybody) was actually thinking ahead.  But I do appreciate yur opening up the dialog; now we can discuss all the you-may-only-need-this-once-in-a-lifetime stuff that the police do/do not saddle their officers with.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 18, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
Especially if, as apparently confirmed by the accidental recording of witness statements, Brown was bum rushing the officer. Brown was a big, hulking guy, so if the officer was small and Brown was rushing him it's very likely that Brown's head would have been down rather than looking at the birds overhead.

Considering that the White House and Holder/DOJ were directly pressuring to try and stop the release of the convenience store footage that shows a lot of information that's not so good for the SJW/Protestor/Rioter side of this, that Brown was GINORMOUS, and VIOLENT, one handedly throttling and pushing the clerk over as he left the store...

It's kind of a waste of time to go over stuff like the autopsy report or the new eye-witness recordings, unless we're interested in comforting ourselves. It won't change a thing.

Brown could have been on live TV, with a black child held hostage, and been shot by a black police officer, and if the "community" wanted to get upset over it, protest/riot/loot, they would have.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 11:00:14 AM
Citizens get all bent out of shape when they hear that teachers have to buy their own classroom supplies.
 

We get bent out of shape when the students are forced to provide a good percentage of the teachers' supplies. 

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But you are suggesting that the cops go out and buy their own equipment?

Mechanics are often expected to provide their own tools.  I suppose we could do it like the teachers, and require the convicts to buy the cops' supplies.

"Upon conviction, you will be required to provide two boxes of snot rags, 63 sharpened #2 pencils, and a pair of binoculars as a condition of admission to the jail."
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2014, 11:18:02 AM
"Upon conviction, you will be required to provide two boxes of snot rags, 63 sharpened #2 pencils, and a pair of binoculars as a condition of admission to the jail."

We already have massive problems with asset forfeiture laws. The last thing I want to see is an incentive to arrest people for misdemeanors to get free stuff. It would be like a law enforcement EBT.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
Considering that the White House and Holder/DOJ were directly pressuring to try and stop the release of the convenience store footage that shows a lot of information that's not so good for the SJW/Protestor/Rioter side of this, that Brown was GINORMOUS, and VIOLENT, one handedly throttling and pushing the clerk over as he left the store...

It's kind of a waste of time to go over stuff like the autopsy report or the new eye-witness recordings, unless we're interested in comforting ourselves. It won't change a thing.

Brown could have been on live TV, with a black child held hostage, and been shot by a black police officer, and if the "community" wanted to get upset over it, protest/riot/loot, they would have.


I haven't seen this, do you have a link?

Also, there were reports that sopme of the cops had SAWs. Anyone seen pictures of that, and can link?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 18, 2014, 11:31:11 AM
If Obama had a son, he would be a 6-6 300# drug crazed thieving maniac  :lol:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2014, 11:36:35 AM
I haven't seen this, do you have a link?

Also, there were reports that sopme of the cops had SAWs. Anyone seen pictures of that, and can link?

I'm not AJ, but this story is breaking:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/youtube-video-captures-purported-witness-backing-police-version-in-ferguson/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
We already have massive problems with asset forfeiture laws. The last thing I want to see is an incentive to arrest people for misdemeanors to get free stuff. It would be like a law enforcement EBT.

They already have that, in the guise of "traffic enforcement."
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2014, 11:53:00 AM
They already have that, in the guise of "traffic enforcement."


This is true.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 11:55:24 AM
I'm not AJ, but this story is breaking:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/youtube-video-captures-purported-witness-backing-police-version-in-ferguson/

And all the people who immediately discounted all eye witness testimony tending to exonerate Brown immediately accept this as gospel truth.  ;/

Also, good analysis as usual from the folks at Popehat.

http://www.popehat.com/2014/08/17/lawsplainer-how-mike-browns-alleged-robbery-of-a-liquor-store-matters-and-how-it-doesnt/
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
And all the people who immediately discounted all eye witness testimony tending to exonerate Brown immediately accept this as gospel truth.  ;/

Also, good analysis as usual from the folks at Popehat.

http://www.popehat.com/2014/08/17/lawsplainer-how-mike-browns-alleged-robbery-of-a-liquor-store-matters-and-how-it-doesnt/

Hey, I just posted a link, not my opinion.

I haven't seen anyone accept it "as gospel truth", just as more possible information and another possibility. There's plenty of other evidence emerging to show this might not be what it was originally reported as. I was leaning towards "bad shoot" the first day. Not so much now.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Hey, I just posted a link, not my opinion.

I haven't seen anyone accept it "as gospel truth", just as more possible information and another possibility. There's plenty of other evidence emerging to show this might not be what it was originally reported as. I was leaning towards "bad shoot" the first day. Not so much now.

Oh, not a commentary on you just about the badge sniffing contingent. They whine about people not getting all the evidence or believing eyewitnesses who claim the cops acted badly, but take anything that might tend to justify the cops as obvious truth (even when it's from the same sort of person that they entirely discounted before).

"5 eyewitnesses claim it was a bad shoot."
"Pish, all these ghetto black folks lie about the cops."
"Oh, here's one person that may or may not have actually been there who says something that, if you interpret it right, might make it a justified shoot."
"SEE, I TOLD YOU! PROOF IT WAS A GOOD SHOOT!"

I wish I was exaggerating that.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 18, 2014, 12:21:48 PM
Oh, not a commentary on you just about the badge sniffing contingent. They whine about people not getting all the evidence or believing eyewitnesses who claim the cops acted badly, but take anything that might tend to justify the cops as obvious truth (even when it's from the same sort of person that they entirely discounted before).

"5 eyewitnesses claim it was a bad shoot."
"Pish, all these ghetto black folks lie about the cops."
"Oh, here's one person that may or may not have actually been there who says something that, if you interpret it right, might make it a justified shoot."
"SEE, I TOLD YOU! PROOF IT WAS A GOOD SHOOT!"



I wish I was exaggerating that.

I wish you were as well.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 12:48:59 PM
It's kind of amusing in a sad way to me, how many folks decide it's a good shoot based solely on the fact that a cop was the shooter, who reject any eye witness or even video recording that makes it appear to be a bad shoot (because "they all lie about the cops" or "we don't really know what's going on in that video"), and then self righteously bitch about the protesters assuming it was a bad shoot without waiting for all the evidence.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cordex on August 18, 2014, 01:13:15 PM
Balog,
Who are the badge sniffers that have called it a good shoot from the beginning based solely on the profession of the shooter or the race of the victim?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 18, 2014, 01:20:57 PM
Funny thing is no one that I have heard has come forward, other than the other guy involved with the robbery, to say they actually saw the shooting.  Plenty of, "I heard the shots," but I have missed it if there are any actual eyewitnesses to everything that happened.  If so I would have bet money that video would have been all over youtube instantly of a "bad" shoot.

I mean if I'm outside and observe the po-po going after an innocent person, I'm going to record it.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
Balog,
Who are the badge sniffers that have called it a good shoot from the beginning based solely on the profession of the shooter or the race of the victim?

I haven't seen anyone on this forum who'd fit that description, but I was ordered by a mod to place APS' resident apologist on ignore so I have no idea if he's been saying that or not.

But on the larger gun forums, there are plenty of folks who fit that description. I suppose I could start quoting usernames from other sites, but I don't think that'd really accomplish anything.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 18, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
I haven't seen anyone on this forum who'd fit that description, but I was ordered by a mod to place APS' resident apologist on ignore so I have no idea if he's been saying that or not.


He's been reasonably quiet on this one.  (I assume I know who yur talking about)
I'd never put him on ignore because he brings up annoyingly good points sometimes, and he helps keep the place from turning into an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cordex on August 18, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
I haven't seen anyone on this forum who'd fit that description, but I was ordered by a mod to place APS' resident apologist on ignore so I have no idea if he's been saying that or not.
Sorry, I misunderstood what group you were referring to.

I didn't realize our ignore feature blocked posts.  Where do you go to enable that?  The only solution I've found was one that blocks PMs.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 18, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
He's been reasonably quiet on this one.  (I assume I know who yur talking about)
I'd never put him on ignore because he brings up annoyingly good points sometimes, and he helps keep the place from turning into an echo chamber.


/shrug

I didn't really have a choice.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 18, 2014, 02:23:59 PM
I am informed I bear a strong resemblance to the officer in question. Of course, that was after I took that drive past the burned-out QuikTrip, yesterday.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
WaPo chimes in - Brown had marijuana in his system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

The calls for drug testing of the officer are mildly amusing.  IF there was a "decent" Officer Involved Shooting policy in place that would have been done.  If it was skipped/not part of policy it will become a Major Issue when the fact becomes public.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
Twitchy goes all atwitter about Obama and his advisors not knowing that the MO Nat. Guard was being deployed until they read about it in the news.

Why does anybody think the MO Gov. needs/needed/ought to/should have notified the White House of the decision?

(If for no other reason than Obama has not said (as of yet, anyway) that if he had a son he would be Michael Brown.)

No.  That was mean, nasty, and cruel.  I really should not have said that.  I'm going to sit in the corner and think about what I did.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 03:02:42 PM
Twitchy goes all atwitter about Obama and his advisors not knowing that the MO Nat. Guard was being deployed until they read about it in the news.

Poor cell reception at the golf course?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 18, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
WaPo chimes in - Brown had marijuana in his system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

The calls for drug testing of the officer are mildly amusing.  IF there was a "decent" Officer Involved Shooting policy in place that would have been done.  If it was skipped/not part of policy it will become a Major Issue when the fact becomes public.

stay safe.


I would bet a years worth of my pay that the first stop for any officer involved in any shooting is a place to pee in a cup.

Notice that Obama returned early from his vacation to deal with this and other things.  The humorous part was it appeared one of the daughters returned with him and as they were exiting Marine One she was left carrying the baggage.  A few steps into it he returned to help her.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 18, 2014, 03:22:00 PM
I would bet a years worth of my pay that the first stop for any officer involved in any shooting is a place to pee in a cup.

Notice that Obama returned early from his vacation to deal with this and other things.

Hopefully, he'll be holding the cup.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 18, 2014, 04:04:48 PM
I am informed I bear a strong resemblance to the officer in question. Of course, that was after I took that drive past the burned-out QuikTrip, yesterday.

Then it really is all your fault  :P
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 18, 2014, 05:42:33 PM
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I would bet a years worth of my pay that the first stop for any officer involved in any shooting is a place to pee in a cup.

Worker's comp's first step is usually to pee in a cup.

OSIs are treated in much the same manner, drug screen, medical checkout, documentation, etc. Covering the bases.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 18, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
Funny thing is no one that I have heard has come forward, other than the other guy involved with the robbery, to say they actually saw the shooting.  Plenty of, "I heard the shots," but I have missed it if there are any actual eyewitnesses to everything that happened.  If so I would have bet money that video would have been all over youtube instantly of a "bad" shoot.

I just read an article citing a video shot shortly after the incident. The videographer is heard saying something like, "They just shot him when his hands were up." Then he was asked, and it turns out he didn't see it happen at all, he was just regurgitating what "they" said. Meanwhile, his camera picked up an off-camera conversation in which an actual eyewitness (in other words, someone who actually saw what happened) said Brown charged the officer.

The Brown apologists can't even get their stories straight. Some claim he was running away, others claim he was standing there with his hands up. All six bullet wounds were from the front, so he clearly wasn't running away. Beyond that ... let the investigation take its course.

One other nagging thought: I haven't seen a single article or a single video of a newscast where Brown's physical size has been mentioned. Or the police officer's. From that rather poor security video of the robbery, Brown appeared to be what the novelists might describe as a "hulking brute of a man." He sure wasn't any little boy-child. But I suppose pointing that out would be racist.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Viking on August 18, 2014, 07:25:17 PM
There's quite the interest for this on my side of the Atlantic too. Leading leftist fishwrapper/gossip tabloid used the word "executed" after it was revealed he didn't get shot in the back. Good to know they are psychic and knew exactly what happened.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 18, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
There's quite the interest for this on my side of the Atlantic too. Leading leftist fishwrapper/gossip tabloid used the word "executed" after it was revealed he didn't get shot in the back. Good to know they are psychic and knew exactly what happened.

What I got from the first witness's now discredited story was that after the struggle at the car, they both ran.  Brown was shot again (this would be in the back, but possibly in the arm or leg) and put his hands up and turned around to surrender.  Then the officer shot him several more times, killing him  These shot would have been in the front and in the head.

If Brown really surrendered, it was an execution.  If he rushed the officer, it was justified self defense.  I don't think there's much gray area -- it was either black or white. (sorry!)
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 18, 2014, 08:32:19 PM
Maybe I missed the earlier announcements, but the evening news told me the MO NG will be there only to protect the police command center.

 :facepalm:

And apparently I have missed the announcements that the crowds had stormed the command center on previous nights.

Apparently I have a perverse machocistic need to follow this circus.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 18, 2014, 08:40:09 PM
Not sure the actually stormed it but did attack it.  Baby steps with the NG.  Plus the curfew has been lifted.

Going to be an interesting night.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 18, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Maybe I missed the earlier announcements, but the evening news told me the MO NG will be there only to protect the police command center.

 :facepalm:

And apparently I have missed the announcements that the crowds had stormed the command center on previous nights.

Apparently I have a perverse machocistic need to follow this circus.

stay safe.

The NG will not be allowed to go up against the rioters. Can't have the RRRRAACCCCIIISSSSTTTT WHITE military putting down "peaceful protesters" after all.

Actually, pretty much the people that would solve a riot in a heartbeat either will not be allowed to go up against the rioters or will not be allowed to use the force necessary. The cops shooting some teargas, smoke, and earplugs are about as good as it's going to get.




Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 18, 2014, 08:52:22 PM
Questions always seem to get raised as to why their are never any "black" cops when *expletive deleted*it like this goes down.  Well the State Trooper that was put in charge is black and to take it a step further, how many black men or women apply that can pass the test and be accepted into an academy.  If you aren't willing to put up, shut up.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2014, 12:39:41 AM
The NG will not be allowed to go up against the rioters. Can't have the RRRRAACCCCIIISSSSTTTT WHITE military putting down "peaceful protesters" after all.


 ??? Did the military purge its brown people while I wasn't paying attention?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Fitz on August 19, 2014, 01:11:04 AM

 ??? Did the military purge its brown people while I wasn't paying attention?

Dont you know anything? Any black person in a position of authority is automatically white and racist
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jim147 on August 19, 2014, 01:30:04 AM
And the others are white-hispanasindian.

jim
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 19, 2014, 01:43:57 AM
Holocaust survivor arrested at protest in St. Louis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguson-holocaust-_n_5689822.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D517067

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Epstein is currently an activist and a vocal supporter of the Free Gaza Movement.
  :facepalm:

There are things I could say about someone who survived extermination so that they could join an organizaation supporting those that would exterminate those like her, for the same reason she was targeted for extermination.

But it would probably get my mouth washed out and I would be permanently banned.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 19, 2014, 07:00:55 AM

 ??? Did the military purge its brown people while I wasn't paying attention?

Well in case you haven't noticed any blacks that join The (White) Man against their fellow blacks and help implement the oppression are RACE TRAITOR UNCLE TOMS who are no longer "authentically black".
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ron on August 19, 2014, 08:00:12 AM
Just as an aside...
                           Brown was 6'4" and 292 pounds.

If the cop was being rushed by a dude that big ...

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2014, 12:05:10 PM
I guess Brown must have been fairly close to the officer, given that Wilson managed to connect six times.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 19, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
I guess Brown must have been fairly close to the officer, given that Wilson managed to connect six times.

That or an officer that actually spends time at the range honing his craft.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Tallpine on August 19, 2014, 01:06:37 PM
I guess Brown must have been fairly close to the officer, given that Wilson managed to connect six times.

 =D
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 19, 2014, 01:33:10 PM
Today's editorial spewings seem to be full of the lack of a dashcam.

I'm still trying to figure out how all the protestors and lawyers/community organizers have not figured out that even if there had been an operating dashcam it would have been looking out the windshield while all the action seems to be centered around the driver's side door and farther in that direction.

Reportologists get a pass because I never expect them to be able to figure their way out of a paper bag with the sides and top cut away.

So, besides being just another thing to complain about how the PD operates, why the fascination?

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 19, 2014, 02:09:47 PM
Today's editorial spewings seem to be full of the lack of a dashcam.

I'm still trying to figure out how all the protestors and lawyers/community organizers have not figured out that even if there had been an operating dashcam it would have been looking out the windshield while all the action seems to be centered around the driver's side door and farther in that direction.

Reportologists get a pass because I never expect them to be able to figure their way out of a paper bag with the sides and top cut away.

So, besides being just another thing to complain about how the PD operates, why the fascination?

stay safe.

What, you expect accuracy from the same people that think earplugs are rubber bullets?

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 19, 2014, 03:14:20 PM
And we have a medical report on the cop. Busted orbital socket


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Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: SADShooter on August 19, 2014, 03:38:18 PM
And we have a medical report on the cop. Busted orbital socket


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So, in his racist fervor the pistol slipped under recoil and impacted his face? Gotcha.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
And we have a medical report on the cop. Busted orbital socket


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Blah, blah, blah. The busted eye socket has been in the news all day. A link to the medical report would be handy.

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2014, 06:12:30 PM

Blah, blah, blah. The busted eye socket has been in the news all day. A link to the medical report would be handy.

Actually, because somebody didn't post a link ( :P ), I did a cursory google, and the top stories on the officer being injured were from a week ago. Interesting I didn't see any of them in the MSM at that time. They may have been there, but if so, were completely overshadowed by the other perspective at that time.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 19, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
Actually, because somebody didn't post a link ( :P ), I did a cursory google, and the top stories on the officer being injured were from a week ago. Interesting I didn't see any of them in the MSM at that time. They may have been there, but if so, were completely overshadowed by the other perspective at that time.


But apparently the eye socket being fractured has only recently been confirmed, or even been widely discussed. I heard about it last week, from someone with connections to local law enforcement, but I didn't put a whole lot of stock in it.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2014, 07:09:33 PM

But apparently the eye socket being fractured has only recently been confirmed, or even been widely discussed. I heard about it last week, from someone with connections to local law enforcement, but I didn't put a whole lot of stock in it.

Well, it should certainly piss off Holder. I read this morning that he made a statement about being unhappy about "sensitive" information regarding the case being "leaked". Of course the information he deems "sensitive" seems to be any that might exonerate one party in the incident. He doesn't seem to have a problem with any of the information that's been coming out in favor of the other side.

Everything I've seen coming out of Holder's office so far makes it look like he's the attorney representing Brown's family. I can't believe how okay America seems to be with that. Even if it turns out the officer is 100% in the wrong, a little unbiased behavior from the AG's office. Please.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 19, 2014, 08:08:46 PM
Well we all know that Brown could've been Obama's son and Holder is only doing what his king is telling him to do.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 19, 2014, 08:10:56 PM
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Everything I've seen coming out of Holder's office so far makes it look like he's the attorney representing Brown's family. I can't believe how okay America seems to be with that. Even if it turns out the officer is 100% in the wrong, a little unbiased behavior from the AG's office. Please.

For all intents, he is. Or maybe more correct, he is the lead perscutor in the case.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: onions! on August 19, 2014, 09:38:33 PM
So are cops in blue jeans and t-shirts-still pointing guns and wearing riot gear supposed to be less militarily overlordly?Or just sloppy looking.Like white hillbillies with guns.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28848753

From the second pic down.I suck at posting pictures.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 19, 2014, 10:22:22 PM
So, in his racist fervor the pistol slipped under recoil and impacted his face? Gotcha.

Check. 10-4.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 20, 2014, 01:04:29 PM
This conversation takes place while the cop is covering the reporter with a rifle for no reason.

Ferguson cop to reporter: "I'll f*cking kill you."
Reporter to cop: "What's your name?"
Cop to reporter: "Go f*ck yourself."

Some high quality serving and protecting right there. I wonder what would happen if I pointed a rifle at a cop and told him that I would kill him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8zbR824FKpU
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: zxcvbob on August 20, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
This conversation takes place while the cop is covering the reporter with a rifle for no reason.

Ferguson cop to reporter: "I'll f*cking kill you."
Reporter to cop: "What's your name?"
Cop to reporter: "Go f*ck yourself."

Some high quality serving and protecting right there. I wonder what would happen if I pointed a rifle at a cop and told him that I would kill him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8zbR824FKpU

It's hard to find *anybody* to root for.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: fifth_column on August 20, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
This conversation takes place while the cop is covering the reporter with a rifle for no reason.

Ferguson cop to reporter: "I'll f*cking kill you."
Reporter to cop: "What's your name?"
Cop to reporter: "Go f*ck yourself."

Some high quality serving and protecting right there. I wonder what would happen if I pointed a rifle at a cop and told him that I would kill him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8zbR824FKpU

WOW!  The guy was walking through a crowd of people with his rifle to his shoulder, head on a swivel, looking for targets.  These were not accidental muzzle sweeps, these were intentional.  It makes those long gun open carriers look pretty damn responsible!
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 20, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
It's hard to find *anybody* to root for.

This.

If we want to get all the bad guys, it is the only way to be sure:
Paki Delight (http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=45&lat=38.7442175&lng=-90.3053915&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&crater=1&casualties=1&fallout=1&zm=13)

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 20, 2014, 01:55:58 PM
It's hard to find *anybody* to root for.

Yay meteor!  Hit hard and fast!
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 20, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
WOW!  The guy was walking through a crowd of people with his rifle to his shoulder, head on a swivel, looking for targets.  These were not accidental muzzle sweeps, these were intentional.  It makes those long gun open carriers look pretty damn responsible!

It is one potential downside to the "de-militarization of the police" movement that's gaining ground.  "If the cops can't have these firearms, why should the average citizenry be able to?" could become a rallying cry for the anti-RKBA side.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 20, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
I thought gun envy was a big part of the anti militarization movement


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Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 20, 2014, 03:11:33 PM
Just finished reading the report on FoxNews.com in regards to the injuries Officer Wilson sustained and I will applaud him in regards to having a fractured orbital socket and still place 6 shots on a rushing target.

Like I said in an earlier post, bet he went to the range more than once a year.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: SADShooter on August 20, 2014, 03:26:34 PM
Just finished reading the report on FoxNews.com in regards to the injuries Officer Wilson sustained and I will applaud him in regards to having a fractured orbital socket and still place 6 shots on a rushing target.

Like I said in an earlier post, bet he went to the range more than once a year.

Amen. Looks perhaps Brown may have lost the "I'ma stomp you!" lottery.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 20, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
Sometimes folks learn being big doesn't work


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Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 20, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Just finished reading the report on FoxNews.com in regards to the injuries Officer Wilson sustained and I will applaud him in regards to having a fractured orbital socket and still place 6 shots on a rushing target.

Like I said in an earlier post, bet he went to the range more than once a year.

All irrelevant. Good for Wilson personally of course, but irrelevant in the larger scope. The narrative and political lines have been drawn on this and like I've stated earlier, live video of Brown holding a black girl hostage with a knife to her throat, being shot by a black officer wouldn't change anything now, or even enrage the protesters/rioters/looters that someone was trying to character assassinate Brown.

And on top of that, Wilson being exonerated due to his injuries is also just going to inflame the mob. The whole situation is bigger than Wilson or Brown or the facts at this point and have been for over a week now.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Balog on August 20, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
Better video of Officer Fatty McGofckyourself muzzling errybody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx3WLnt6Q8
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: roo_ster on August 20, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Better video of Officer Fatty McGofckyourself muzzling errybody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx3WLnt6Q8

I tell ya, the reason we trust LEOs with all that potent hardware is professionalism.  You just can't get that sort of muzzle-humping behavior at every public shooting range or gun shop.  No siree!.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 20, 2014, 04:47:47 PM
Here are some things I think I would do, if I were in charge, after declaring martial law in Ferguson, and nearby areas, as necessary.

1. Anyone arrested who happened to be from out of state would be returned to their last known address. If no address is supplied, we take you to Chicago.

2. Starting at 5pm, any group larger than 10 people, on streets, sidewalks, or parking lots, is arrested, and held for 24 hrs. Rule 1 may apply.

3. There would be some attempt at monitoring traffic into the city limits, perhaps with checkpoints, and/or checking local flop houses.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: makattak on August 20, 2014, 04:53:44 PM
All irrelevant. Good for Wilson personally of course, but irrelevant in the larger scope. The narrative and political lines have been drawn on this and like I've stated earlier, live video of Brown holding a black girl hostage with a knife to her throat, being shot by a black officer wouldn't change anything now, or even enrage the protesters/rioters/looters that someone was trying to character assassinate Brown.

And on top of that, Wilson being exonerated due to his injuries is also just going to inflame the mob. The whole situation is bigger than Wilson or Brown or the facts at this point and have been for over a week now.

I explained to my wife that a large contingent of the rioters and their supporters don't care whether the police officer is innocent. In fact, they would prefer that he be innocent and sent to jail.

Many of these believe that since innocent black men have been sent to jail unjustly in the past, innocent whites need to be sent to jail as "payback."

They don't care that those innocents had nothing to do with jailing the black men in the past. All they care about is evening the score.

So, you are entirely correct. They want revenge. They don't particularly care if the people they take revenge on actually harmed their ancestors.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: KD5NRH on August 20, 2014, 04:58:49 PM
1. Anyone arrested who happened to be from out of state would be returned to their last known address. If no address is supplied, we take you to Chicago.

The one in South Africa, right?

Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 20, 2014, 06:02:43 PM
The one in South Africa, right?



No, the one in Ebolastan.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 20, 2014, 06:38:29 PM
I keep checking on the evening's/morning's events in Ferguson, and it's the same every night. A "protest" turns into a riot. At this point, anyone out on the street demonstrating at night is part of the problem. The protests need to stop, and should be stopped by force. At night, anyway. Protest your heart out every day, but your right to assemble ends where other people's property gets destroyed.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Boomhauer on August 20, 2014, 08:18:13 PM
I keep checking on the evening's/morning's events in Ferguson, and it's the same every night. A "protest" turns into a riot. At this point, anyone out on the street demonstrating at night is part of the problem. The protests need to stop, and should be stopped by force. At night, anyway. Protest your heart out every day, but your right to assemble ends where other people's property gets destroyed.

I have absolutely zero problem with peaceful protests on public property. 

The minute they turn into riots, it's time to *expletive deleted*ck some shitheads up.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 20, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
It is one potential downside to the "de-militarization of the police" movement that's gaining ground.  "If the cops can't have these firearms, why should the average citizenry be able to?" could become a rallying cry for the anti-RKBA side.
Seems to me that a AR is just the tool to have when the city is burning and mobs are rioting.  That goes for cops and regular Joes alike.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 20, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
I have absolutely zero problem with peaceful protests on public property. 

The minute they turn into riots, it's time to *expletive deleted* some shitheads up.

This is fine. When the protests in a particular place predictably become riots EVERY time the sun goes down, and the cops seem barely able to handle it, then I want heads busted preemptively. It makes sense.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 20, 2014, 08:35:06 PM
I explained to my wife that a large contingent of the rioters and their supporters don't care whether the police officer is innocent. In fact, they would prefer that he be innocent and sent to jail.

Many of these believe that since innocent black men have been sent to jail unjustly in the past, innocent whites need to be sent to jail as "payback."

They don't care that those innocents had nothing to do with jailing the black men in the past. All they care about is evening the score.

So, you are entirely correct. They want revenge. They don't particularly care if the people they take revenge on actually harmed their ancestors.
Indeed.  We don't know how the original shooting went down.  There hasn't been much of any solid evidence published yet.  The rioters don't know what happened, and they don't care.  They just want to riot.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on August 20, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
Seems to me that a AR is just the tool to have when the city is burning and mobs are rioting.  That goes for cops and regular Joes alike.

Goodness, gracious, no.

If you cannot get an M-1 with the original long bayonet, then an M-14 will do.  You need the solidity of wood for vertical butt strokes, and a good connection between stock and barrel for slashes that land on collarbones.  Trust me on this - I speak from experience. 

The original plastic poodle shooter tended to break apart at the point where the barrel assembly met the received.  The newer versions break there and/or at the collapsible stock.  Neither version has the reach or the heft to do anything much. 

Heck, you might as well just issue 38-inch hickor riot batons.  (Although I here the polypropolene ones are also adequate.)

stay safe.
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 21, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/21/holder-says-understands-mistrust-police-as-ferguson-protests-dwindle/

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While in Ferguson, Holder met with federal officials investigating the case, as well as Brown's parents. He also met with Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been in charge of security in Ferguson for nearly a week. The National Guard is also helping to keep the peace.

Why didn't he go meet with Officer Wilson and/or his family?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 21, 2014, 07:10:11 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/21/holder-says-understands-mistrust-police-as-ferguson-protests-dwindle/

Why didn't he go meet with Officer Wilson and/or his family?


I'm going to hope that said meeting was kept confidential, for the Wilsons' safety. I can hope, right?
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 21, 2014, 07:20:17 AM

The governor claims that his words do not prejudge the case. Risible, at best.

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Second, a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued.

The democratically elected St. Louis County prosecutor and the Attorney General of the United States, each have a job to do. Their obligation to achieve justice in the shooting death of Michael Brown must be carried out thoroughly, promptly, and correctly; and I call upon them to meet those expectations.

Finally, once we have achieved peace in Ferguson and justice for the family of Michael Brown, we must remain committed to rebuilding the trust that has been lost, mending what has been broken, and healing the wounds we have endured.

This is hard. Nothing about this is simple. We won’t always get it right, but we’re going to keep trying.  Because Ferguson is a test, a test not just for the people of this community, but for all Americans.  And it is a test we must not fail.

Last week I met with and prayed with the mother of Michael Brown. She has lost a son who she can never bring back.  But what we can do is work together to ensure that Michael Brown’s death is not remembered as the tragedy that sparked a cycle of violence and distrust, but rather marks the beginning of a process of healing and reconciliation.

So I ask that we continue to stand together as we work to achieve justice for Michael Brown, restore hope and peace to the streets of Ferguson, and march together toward a future of greater opportunity and understanding for all of us.

http://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/message-gov-jay-nixon-about-situation-ferguson
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Jocassee on August 21, 2014, 09:20:00 AM
Anyone have a link to the video of the guy who was shot a couple days holding a knife? Saw it on CNN. Looked like it was a good shoot to me but the optics were HORRIBLE.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 21, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
The governor claims that his words do not prejudge the case. Risible, at best.

http://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/message-gov-jay-nixon-about-situation-ferguson

Your governor, your fault. (duh)
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Post by: fifth_column on August 21, 2014, 09:33:31 AM
This is fine. When the protests in a particular place predictably become riots EVERY time the sun goes down, and the cops seem barely able to handle it, then I want heads busted preemptively. It makes sense.

It's possible that police becoming violent with a crowd that is currently non-violent (preemptive head busting) might actually start a riot.
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Post by: roo_ster on August 21, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
It's possible that police becoming violent with a crowd that is currently non-violent (preemptive head busting) might actually start a riot.
Not of they use enough violence.  Not advicating such but that is the case.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 21, 2014, 10:10:52 AM
Yup. ^^^ couple hundred rounds of bird shot first nite woulda stopped it all. No longer an available option because of feelings


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Post by: fifth_column on August 21, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Yup. ^^^ couple hundred rounds of bird shot first nite woulda stopped it all. No longer an available option because of feelings

Fear is, in point of fact, an emotion.  Violently intimidating a populace so they don't rise up against their rulers is ruling through fear.  So all that's being done is to suppress an option "because of feelings."

I'd also like to mention that anger and disgust are also emotions.  Forcing people to behave because they disgust or anger you is also acting "because of feelings." 

A reasoned discourse seems very far out of reach.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 21, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
Conflating a looting burning mob with "the populace" is amusing. You need to meet Steven Thomas


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Post by: fifth_column on August 21, 2014, 11:19:23 AM
Conflating a looting burning mob with "the populace" is amusing. You need to meet Steven Thomas


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Post by: brimic on August 21, 2014, 07:13:30 PM
Best summation I've seen so far:



http://www.ivymikecafe.com/
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Post by: roo_ster on August 21, 2014, 07:48:43 PM
Fear is, in point of fact, an emotion.  Violently intimidating a populace so they don't rise up against their rulers is ruling through fear.  So all that's being done is to suppress an option "because of feelings."

I'd also like to mention that anger and disgust are also emotions.  Forcing people to behave because they disgust or anger you is also acting "because of feelings." 

A reasoned discourse seems very far out of reach.

Fear of punishment is what makes law work. And people discuss the law every day.  So, not so far out of reach.

Quote from: niccolo machiavelli
Here a question arises: whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the reverse. The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved. . . . Love endures by a bond which men, being scoundrels, may break whenever it serves their advantage to do so; but fear is supported by the dread of pain, which is ever present.

Fear is what keeps a burglar out of a back yard when the back yard has a dog.  Fear is what causes a burglar to pass by a house when the owner is known to be armed and capable.  Fear is what causes a rapist to back off when his victim breaks out a firearm. 

Seems to me that fear can be handy as all get out.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 21, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Fear can make you cautious.  Keep you alive
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Post by: vaskidmark on August 21, 2014, 11:06:49 PM
The point is, and always has been, that the fear of loss of freedom has been what has kept non-criminals and non-psychopaths from intentionally breaking the major laws - like rape and pillage and murder.  They get a relief valve of being able to flaut the oppressor's iron glove by being "allowed" to break some of the minor laws that do not have loss of freedom or serious financial penalty as the consequence of getting caught - like 10 mph over the limit and parking with your fender 6 inches over the red line and sending in your tax payments three cents short on postage.

So yeah, fear is what makes The Law work.

It starts to fail when the population you are dealing with looks at being arrested and locked up as normal life events.  Normal events not because The Man is truely an oppressor but because they prefer having an excuse rather that taking responsibility for the direction of their life.

What we often forget is that somewhere north of 95% of those living in government housing (especially in housing "projects") get up in the morning and manage to not break the law all day long, along with most of them going to work/school.  Nobody gives you a medal or a march for social justice if you do crap like that.

stay safe.
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 21, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
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What we often forget is that somewhere north of 95% of those living in government housing (especially in housing "projects") get up in the morning and manage to not break the law all day long, along with most of them going to work/school.


Huh, the fine Section 8 peeps here in Methlandia (that's what I'm calling the shitty apartment complex I'm living at while in school) don't go to work or school. In fact they actively avoid anything legal that involves exertion, labor, or applying themselves. The parking lot stays full of their cars both day and night...






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Post by: zxcvbob on August 21, 2014, 11:46:24 PM
Am I a bad person because Ferguson, MO reminds me of "Turd Ferguson" in the the SNL "Celebrity Jeopardy" skit? http://www.hulu.com/watch/12203 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/12203)

I've watched this a dozen times in the past 2 weeks, and it never gets old.

(it's probably racist somehow)
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 22, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
It's possible that police becoming violent with a crowd that is currently non-violent (preemptive head busting) might actually start a riot.


You're saying the looters burned down a gas station because the police were too heavy-handed against their peaceful demonstration?



Violently intimidating a populace so they don't rise up against their rulers is ruling through fear.  So all that's being done is to suppress an option "because of feelings."

I'd also like to mention that anger and disgust are also emotions.  Forcing people to behave because they disgust or anger you is also acting "because of feelings." 

A reasoned discourse seems very far out of reach.

Is this some kind of a joke? The mob in Ferguson has been looting and vandalizing people's stuff. That is why they need to be forced to behave, not because of anyone's feelings.  :facepalm: :nonplussed:
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 22, 2014, 01:15:14 AM
A teacher in the Ferguson/Florissant School District told me that, when classes begin on Monday, students will be allowed to leave class, to join in protests. She asked why the students were allowed to do this, and was told that, well, they let them do the same thing when the removal of the district superintendent was being debated last year. I find this a troubling explanation, as one is school-related, and the other is not. But why expect anything to make sense?  


There is a rumor going about, that Michael Brown's accomplice has reversed himself, admitting that Brown started a fight with the officer. I remain skeptical, but I did hear it from the same guy who knew about the fractured eye socket a week before it became official.

http://m.theepochtimes.com/n3/899567-dorian-johnson-witness-in-michael-brown-shooting-changed-his-story-radio-station-backs-off-claim/

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Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 22, 2014, 04:26:54 AM
Interesting. If true......we don't really know *expletive deleted*.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/cnn-source-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-unequivocally-did-not-suffer-eye-socket-fracture/
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Post by: Ben on August 22, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
There is a rumor going about, that Michael Brown's accomplice has reversed himself, admitting that Brown started a fight with the officer. I remain skeptical, but I did hear it from the same guy who knew about the fractured eye socket a week before it became official.

http://m.theepochtimes.com/n3/899567-dorian-johnson-witness-in-michael-brown-shooting-changed-his-story-radio-station-backs-off-claim/

On the eye socket, the local liberal rag comments section is full of comments from people with "proof" that the eye socket damage was a right wing blogger snow job. They only say they "heard it on NPR" or elsewhere, but no links to their side of the story. It's running about 95% though, that the cop was completely uninjured and just opened fire on Brown's back. It's amazing to see the herd mentality of people who pride themselves on their enlightened attitudes.
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Post by: fifth_column on August 22, 2014, 12:40:09 PM

You're saying the looters burned down a gas station because the police were too heavy-handed against their peaceful demonstration?

Umm, no.  What I'm saying is that if a peaceful demonstration is attacked by the police (preemptive head-busting) it may very well turn violent.  Because, you know, the police got violent.

Nice straw man though . . .

Is this some kind of a joke? The mob in Ferguson has been looting and vandalizing people's stuff. That is why they need to be forced to behave, not because of anyone's feelings.  :facepalm: :nonplussed:

My "feelings" remark was in response to CSD's comment about the fact that there's been too little head-busting because of "feelings."

Overall, my point is that since the current police SOPs only lead to more violence, maybe, just maybe, a different approach is needed.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 22, 2014, 12:53:00 PM
fifth_column:

As I understand it, the police in Ferguson (after the shooting of Michael Brown, which has yet to be adjudicated) at first tried a hands-off, allow them to blow off steam approach. Which sounds pretty racist to me, but in any case, that was the night that several businesses were looted, and one of them burned and totally destroyed. The heavy-handed tactics, as I understand it, came later. Some nights later, the hands-off approach was again assayed, and more violence ensued. Police crowd control tactics don't seem to be the controlling influence here.

This is why I think that any "protest," in evening hours, should be stopped by force, before a crowd can gather. Not as a general principle, of course, but as a temporary measure, in a situation where after-dark protests have predictably become riots.

As I said before, this makes sense. Contingent, of course, on my information being correct. Not having been there for any of the festivities, I have no first-hand knowledge.
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Post by: KD5NRH on August 22, 2014, 01:28:42 PM
As I understand it, the police in Ferguson (after the shooting of Michael Brown, which has yet to be adjudicated) at first tried a hands-off, allow them to blow off steam approach. Which sounds pretty racist to me, but in any case, that was the night that several businesses were looted, and one of them burned and totally destroyed.

Which is why I, personally, prefer the "hands off while moving every cop who can consistently make a 100yd shot on a 5 inch target to good rooftop positions" approach.  Leave the peaceful marchers alone, but at the first sign of looting, arson, or attacking bystanders, the peaceful protest is over, the instigators get shot, and the rest rounded up, identified, and sent home.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 22, 2014, 02:42:28 PM
fifth_column:

As I understand it, the police in Ferguson (after the shooting of Michael Brown, which has yet to be adjudicated) at first tried a hands-off, allow them to blow off steam approach. Which sounds pretty racist to me, but in any case, that was the night that several businesses were looted, and one of them burned and totally destroyed. The heavy-handed tactics, as I understand it, came later. Some nights later, the hands-off approach was again assayed, and more violence ensued. Police crowd control tactics don't seem to be the controlling influence here.

This is why I think that any "protest," in evening hours, should be stopped by force, before a crowd can gather. Not as a general principle, of course, but as a temporary measure, in a situation where after-dark protests have predictably become riots.

As I said before, this makes sense. Contingent, of course, on my information being correct. Not having been there for any of the festivities, I have no first-hand knowledge.

Your understanding matches mine though there is a faction that is adamant that the cops went "militaristic zomg" first. Thus far those folks have been unable to substantiate their emotions


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Post by: Angel Eyes on August 22, 2014, 03:52:29 PM
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/jackstraw4449/looting_zpsd0db5bef.jpeg) (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/jackstraw4449/media/looting_zpsd0db5bef.jpeg.html)
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Post by: Jim147 on August 22, 2014, 08:38:15 PM
When our dumbass governor called up the guard, they should have stacked them up at every entrance to every business still standing. Let the protesters police themselves and protect the small business people.

jim
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Post by: Tallpine on August 22, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
When our dumbass governor called up the guard, they should have stacked them up at every entrance to every business still standing. Let the protesters police themselves and protect the small business people.

jim

What a radical idea - government protecting life, liberty, and property  :facepalm:
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Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on August 23, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
What a radical idea - government protecting life, liberty, and property  :facepalm:

Which is why it didn't happen. Makes way too much sense.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 23, 2014, 12:07:18 PM
When our dumbass governor called up the guard, they should have stacked them up at every entrance to every business still standing. Let the protesters police themselves and protect the small business people.


According to the news articles I've read, the police have been doing a lot of that in Ferguson.
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Post by: zxcvbob on August 24, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
http://www.thedailyrash.com/holder-vows-to-shave-mustache-if-ferguson-cop-not-convicted
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 24, 2014, 08:05:29 PM
Sadly i had to check to be sure it was satire. Do not underestimate holders capacity


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Post by: Hawkmoon on August 24, 2014, 09:38:33 PM

Huh, the fine Section 8 peeps here in Methlandia (that's what I'm calling the shitty apartment complex I'm living at while in school) don't go to work or school. In fact they actively avoid anything legal that involves exertion, labor, or applying themselves. The parking lot stays full of their cars both day and night...

^^^ Quoted for truth. I once worked for a public housing authority. Yes, some of our client tenants did hold jobs ... but the percentage was closer to 5 percent than 95 percent.
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Post by: Hawkmoon on August 25, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
So where's that :barf: smiley when we need it?

I got curious so I decided to see what CNN's view of the world is today. I should have known better ... but I guess it helps to see that there are still brain-dead people in the media, doing their best to spin the facts and control public opinion. Case in point: An article by a woman described as "an activist" (for what?) about the Ferguson shooting and Michael Brown's poor, grieving mother:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/davis-michael-brown-mother/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Now Lesley McSpadden, Michael Brown's mother, has the gruesome, unnatural task of burying her baby boy, a devastating detail often lost amid the aggressive noise surrounding the trauma in Ferguson, Missouri.

Did anyone NOT catch that? Michael Brown was 19 years old, stood 6'-4" and weighed 292 pounds. And this twit described him as a "baby boy." He wasn't a baby.

I have cousins who lost an adult child prematurely (in that case due to cancer, not suicide by cop) and I understand that a mother would grieve the loss of her son. But this son was not a "baby boy," he was an adult, a thug, and a felon. And I can't help but believe that his mother knew that, so my sympathy is tempered by a dose of "Maybe if you hadn't raised a robber your son wouldn't have gotten himself shot by the police."
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Post by: zxcvbob on August 25, 2014, 12:53:15 PM
So where's that :barf: smiley when we need it?

I got curious so I decided to see what CNN's view of the world is today. I should have known better ... but I guess it helps to see that there are still brain-dead people in the media, doing their best to spin the facts and control public opinion. Case in point: An article by a woman described as "an activist" (for what?) about the Ferguson shooting and Michael Brown's poor, grieving mother:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/davis-michael-brown-mother/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Did anyone NOT catch that? Michael Brown was 19 years old, stood 6'-4" and weighed 292 pounds. And this twit described him as a "baby boy." He wasn't a baby.

I have cousins who lost an adult child prematurely (in that case due to cancer, not suicide by cop) and I understand that a mother would grieve the loss of her son. But this son was not a "baby boy," he was an adult, a thug, and a felon. And I can't help but believe that his mother knew that, so my sympathy is tempered by a dose of "Maybe if you hadn't raised a robber your son wouldn't have gotten himself shot by the police."

Today is not the day to blame the mother.  He was still her "baby".  (even if he got what was coming to him)  That may or may not excuse the CNN article; I'm not going to read it just to find out.
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Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 25, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
He got shot by the cops, therefore he's innocent.  That's how these things work. 
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 25, 2014, 12:58:49 PM
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Today is not the day to blame the mother

Here, I'll go ahead and blame the mother. She's probably a large part of the reason he was a thug.

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Post by: vaskidmark on August 25, 2014, 12:59:13 PM
That thin veneer of civilization - it's been hit with the belt sander again.

http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/gratitude.html

The locals stopped (as in permanently quit doing it) the "shoes for school" giveaway when they were physically attacked for having generic Converse hightops as opposed to pump-up Air Jordans (or whatever flavor it was that year that could get you killed when someone asked you for your shoes).

I rode the SAnta Train in West Virginia one year in the 60s.  Folks were grateful but ashamed to be needing to accept charity.  Wonder how much that's changed in the last half-century.  (Dear $diety!  Am I that effing old that I'm talking about stuff that happened before your grandparents were born?)

stay safe.
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Post by: SADShooter on August 25, 2014, 01:17:16 PM
That thin veneer of civilization - it's been hit with the belt sander again.

http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/gratitude.html

The locals stopped (as in permanently quit doing it) the "shoes for school" giveaway when they were physically attacked for having generic Converse hightops as opposed to pump-up Air Jordans (or whatever flavor it was that year that could get you killed when someone asked you for your shoes).

I rode the SAnta Train in West Virginia one year in the 60s.  Folks were grateful but ashamed to be needing to accept charity.  Wonder how much that's changed in the last half-century.  (Dear $diety!  Am I that effing old that I'm talking about stuff that happened before your grandparents were born?)

stay safe.

The entitlement bureaucracy is using our tax dollars to advertise in poor communities with the goal of encouraging people to apply for public assistance, thereby eroding the culture of self-reliance you describe. That pretty much tells the tale.
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Post by: wmenorr67 on August 25, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
That thin veneer of civilization - it's been hit with the belt sander again.

http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/gratitude.html

The locals stopped (as in permanently quit doing it) the "shoes for school" giveaway when they were physically attacked for having generic Converse hightops as opposed to pump-up Air Jordans (or whatever flavor it was that year that could get you killed when someone asked you for your shoes).

I rode the SAnta Train in West Virginia one year in the 60s.  Folks were grateful but ashamed to be needing to accept charity.  Wonder how much that's changed in the last half-century.  (Dear $diety!  Am I that effing old that I'm talking about stuff that happened before your grandparents were born?)

stay safe.

A couple of weekends ago there was a back to school "give-away" thing here in the surrounding area and coats, shoes, food and school supplies were given away.  The free shoes were black Crocs. :lol:
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Post by: KD5NRH on August 25, 2014, 02:14:52 PM
I rode the SAnta Train in West Virginia one year in the 60s.  Folks were grateful but ashamed to be needing to accept charity.  Wonder how much that's changed in the last half-century.  (Dear $diety!  Am I that effing old that I'm talking about stuff that happened before your grandparents were born?)

Last time I did the delivery part of a local Methodist church Christmas present charity run was a bit over 20 years ago.  We only delivered after dark, (6PM that time of year) in our own cars, one vehicle and two people per delivery, specifically to save the recipients the embarrassment of having a church van pull up and the entire youth group start unloading presents on their doorstep.  Several of them commented on how much they appreciated the subtlety, compared to some other churches who seemed to want the whole neighborhood to know that the elderly couple raising their grandkids or the family that recently lost their father in a car wreck couldn't afford Christmas presents.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 25, 2014, 02:26:05 PM
I helped deliver for angel tree. In south east dc and Anacostia.  It was challenging.  I would get permission from the ruling group before entering
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Post by: Scout26 on August 28, 2014, 08:48:03 AM
http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/08/24/a-dose-of-reality-for-ferguson-missouri/


I haven't posted my thoughts on this event, however I feel this is the best summation of the events as I believe they happened.  However, should further evidence come out, I will still remain open to changing my opinion.
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Post by: roo_ster on August 28, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
Here, I'll go ahead and blame the mother. She's probably a large part of the reason he was a thug.

Indeed. 

The locals stopped (as in permanently quit doing it) the "shoes for school" giveaway when they were physically attacked for having generic Converse hightops as opposed to pump-up Air Jordans (or whatever flavor it was that year that could get you killed when someone asked you for your shoes).

"Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet!"
----Thomas Jonathan Jackson


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Post by: Ben on August 29, 2014, 09:25:06 AM
Hey fistful - do you have "the" white privilege? Just asking because it seems to be a regional thing down that way. Hopefully it's not contagious, like the Ebola.

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/28/at-beyondferguson-event-mayor-admits-i-have-the-white-privilege/
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
Hey fistful - do you have "the" white privilege? Just asking because it seems to be a regional thing down that way. Hopefully it's not contagious, like the Ebola.

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/28/at-beyondferguson-event-mayor-admits-i-have-the-white-privilege/

 :O

I have the health insurance, so I'm going to go to the doctor, to get the checkup right away.
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Post by: MillCreek on August 29, 2014, 10:14:29 AM
I have the even-worse middle-aged white male privilege.  I am using a cream for it.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2014, 11:33:23 AM
What is it with the old people, and the unnecessary definite article? I would like to understand that.
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Post by: Doggy Daddy on August 30, 2014, 03:15:37 AM
What is it with the old people, and the unnecessary definite article? I would like to understand that.

You have the fault.  It is not open for the debate.
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Post by: Balog on August 30, 2014, 03:32:50 AM
You have the ebolaids.  It is not open for the debate.

FTFY
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Post by: Boomhauer on August 30, 2014, 10:54:23 AM
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The locals stopped (as in permanently quit doing it) the "shoes for school" giveaway when they were physically attacked for having generic Converse hightops as opposed to pump-up Air Jordans (or whatever flavor it was that year that could get you killed when someone asked you for your shoes).

I don't know what the thug culture obsession with shoes is all about, but it's *expletive deleted* weird as hell.

Couple stories...

1) The last release of the Air Jordan line, the *expletive deleted* were rioting over the shoes. I made the mistake of going to the mall in Savannah the day of the release (not knowing about it) and they were litteraly lined up along the long mall second story corridor from the shoe store all the way to the end of it. Despite carrying my pistol I decided that we were leaving before the *expletive deleted* went down, and sure enough we found out later that there were a bunch of people arrested for starting a nice mini-riot.

2) One of my cousins was dating one of these thugs who was a basketball player at her school, then once he graduated his highest aspiration was to work at a nightclub. Of course she wound up getting pregnant and having a kid with the son of a bitch. Why do I call him a son of a bitch? Here's why...once she got pregnant he started treating her like *expletive deleted*. Yet when he got kicked out of his apartment her mother and father were kind enough to put him up in their house, despite their own troubles (going through bankruptcy, her father was stricken with bad cancer, the house was in foreclosure, etc) because he was the father of their granddaughter. He talked *expletive deleted* about them, how much he hated them and all that. I met him while I was up there for a brief visit but I held my tongue (not my monkeys, not my circus).

Then he finally leaves to go back to his hometown in NJ. The next time I went up for a visit, I ended up staying in the room he had occupied.

The *expletive deleted* piece of *expletive deleted* would not contribute a dime to care of the kid or to my aunt and uncle who housed and fed him, etc. Always claiming he didn't have enough money. Yet his room was full, and I mean full, of brand new boxes of expensive shoes. We're talking like there had to be at least 40 pairs. There were also several high dollar suits, shirts, ties, plus street clothing. The room was literally packed with this stuff.

Again, I didn't really say much about it (not my monkeys, not my circus, but I wouldn't shed a tear if an angry patron at the nightclub shanked him)


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Post by: vaskidmark on August 31, 2014, 10:48:34 PM
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(NEWSY) While the violence seems to have died down in Ferguson, Missouri, protests calling for civil disobedience continue.
During a peaceful protest march Saturday, organizers shared plans to halt St. Louis traffic on Labor Day.
At the march, organizers asked supporters to drive onto local highways around 4:30 p.m. Monday and stop their cars for four and a half minutes - symbolizing the four and a half hours Michael Brown's body laid in the street after he was killed.

Demonstrators protest outside the Ferguson, Missouri, police department during the National March on Ferguson, August 30, 2014. The protesters demanded justice for Michael Brown, 18, shot dead in a fatal encounter with police in Ferguson, Missouri, a St Louis suburb, on August 9. AFP PHOTO/Michael B. Thomas (Photo credit should read Michael B. Thomas/AFP/Getty Images)
Zaki Baruti, the organizer says, "If some of our demands are not dealt with, you'll see more civil disobedience in the spirit of Dr. King, because we're not just going to sit by and just let injustice be constantly impacting us."
Three weeks ago, unarmed teenager Michael Brown was shot and killed by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. While details about what led up to that shooting are still scarce, the community has been calling for action against the officer and other Ferguson officials ever since.
Protesters are demanding the arrest of Wilson, the resignation of the Ferguson police chief and mayor, and prosecution from an independent prosecutor in the case. They are saying they will not back down until that happens.
Police have not yet responded how they plan to deal with possibly hundred of cars stopping suddenly on the highways.

This could end any support that might exist outside of the professional victim empowerment arena.

I was present (and safely tucked away in a 4th story apartment with a view of Memorial Bridge) when the Yuppies decided to blockade traffic over the Potomac River bridges into DC on May Day 1971.  Many of the bridges were occupied by troops before the Yuppies arrived with the intent to sit in the roadway and shut down The Government.  No troops had been dispatched to Memorial Bridge, but rush hour traffic started as usual at about 5 AM.  By the time the Yuppies made it from George Washijgton, American, and Georgetown Universities to the bridge around 7 AM it was literally taking your life in your hands to step off the sidewalks.  I gave up counting after the 10th or 11th fool was bounced off a hood or clipped by a side-view mirror.

I'm not saying that St. Louisians would even want to emulate federal workers but ....

How many of the "civil disobeyors" are willing to be cuffed and stuffed without offering physical resistance?  How many are willing to get beat about the head and shoulders without offering physical resistance in order to show the fault is with the cops and not their own looting/burning provoking that level of force?

I'm not rooting for a reprisal of Bull Connors' responses, although the use of fire hoses may not be too far out of line if the streets are truely blocked.  But between the various & sundry Islamist groups and these manipulated victims I'm getting tired of folks threatening to "take over".

stay safe.
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Post by: vaskidmark on September 01, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
I keep checking the news feeds and wondering when the TV talking heads ill interrupt my afternoon cartoons with breaking news of the shutdown of all traffic.  So far, no joy.

What happened?

stay safe.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on September 01, 2014, 04:31:51 PM
I keep checking the news feeds and wondering when the TV talking heads ill interrupt my afternoon cartoons with breaking news of the shutdown of all traffic.  So far, no joy.

What happened?

stay safe.


Here in the Midwest, we have something called Central Time. You eastern dandies are always jumping the gun.
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Post by: KD5NRH on September 01, 2014, 05:22:46 PM
I was present (and safely tucked away in a 4th story apartment with a view of Memorial Bridge) when the Yuppies decided to blockade traffic over the Potomac River bridges into DC on May Day 1971.

You know, instead of a lot of that spending on SWAT crap, they could have just taken a hint from the action and sci-fi genres, bought up a crapload of Sikorsky Skycranes, and figured out some sort of a quick-grab mechanism capable of handling cars.  (The giant electromagnet from comics wouldn't work too well on convertibles, among others.  Most likely some sort of large claw-type mechanism that can get securely under the frame.)

Imagine how quickly high-speed chases would become a thing of the past if a few of them ended very visibly like that scene from the second Transformers movie.

Unnecessary traffic jam?  Immediately remove the primary blockage to a safe area where the driver can be reeducated.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on September 01, 2014, 05:37:21 PM
This traffic-stoppage talk is really beginning to damage my calm. I have to drive past West Florissant Ave in about an hour or so, and I will not be happy about yahoos impeding my travel over some random felon who got himself shot.
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Post by: KD5NRH on September 01, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
This traffic-stoppage talk is really beginning to damage my calm. I have to drive past West Florissant Ave in about an hour or so, and I will not be happy about yahoos impeding my travel over some random felon who got himself shot.

I think this should qualify for "classic car" registration now:

(http://www.fsmm.org/collection_images/m728(1).jpg)
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Post by: Perd Hapley on September 01, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
It's been "postponed."

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/michael-brown-highway-protest-postponed/article_a889c43f-79ea-5bd3-8e2c-c64819382bf6.html?mobile_touch=true
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Post by: fifth_column on September 04, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
There's an article in the Washington Post by Radley Balko titled "How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty."  The research and article seem to have stemmed directly from the Brown shooting. 

From the article:

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The uprising in Ferguson was an inevitable reaction to the institutional racism coursing through the area for decades.

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There are many towns in St. Louis County where the number of outstanding arrest warrants can exceed the number of residents, sometimes several times over.

It's a long read, and I probably won't have time to finish it tonight.  Just thought I'd share . . .
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Post by: Scout26 on September 05, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/03/apparently-im-not-a-conservative/
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Post by: Boomhauer on September 05, 2014, 11:49:03 AM
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/03/apparently-im-not-a-conservative/

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When the point in time comes, and it will come, that you and your community are so moved by the destruction of this country that you choose to openly and peacefully protes

Which, I shall emphasize here, rioting and looting is NOT peaceful protest. I don't give a flying *expletive deleted* what Jesse Jackson, the talking heads on the news, this dude, or Barack's lap dog Holder says, *expletive deleted* RIOTING AND LOOTING IS NOT PEACEFUL PROTEST.

And second, not a single member of APS would be much willing to face rioters throwing molotovs without longarms, armor/riot gear, and you'd probably like some teargas, rubber baton rounds, and you'd really, really prefer to have something like an MRAP or Bearcat as cover. Because, using PPE is common sense.

 


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Post by: fifth_column on September 05, 2014, 12:28:28 PM
Boomhauer didn't finish the quote:

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When the point in time comes, and it will come, that you and your community are so moved by the destruction of this country that you choose to openly and peacefully protest, what will you do if you are met with an overwhelming show of force? What if there are bad actors in your crowd?

Wouldn’t you expect them to be identified and culled out by law enforcement rather than using generic “crowd control” techniques? We know we have the technology and then some. Trillions of dollars later, we treat protesters as a ubiquitous assemblage and a united threat. Would you expect surgical tools or a broad sword.

We see protesting and assume that they are all bad actors and a riot must be prevented. It is just too easy to say that the rioters and looters in Ferguson got what they deserved and maybe not enough of it. It shouldn’t be that difficult to imagine a time when you are that protester being called a “rioter”. And if we ask for support of communities around the country, should we expect that support from Ferguson?

I added the bold.  The fact that all citizens are treated as criminals is what pisses me off the most.  The times I've been pulled over for speeding the officer routinely digs for something more incriminating.  The only thing on my record is traffic violations, yet this guy suspects I'm running drugs, or I've kidnapped someone underage, or planning the next 9/11, or something equally ridiculous he's dreamed up in his fevered imagination. 

And those that assume everyone at the Ferguson protests were "rioters" are equally fevered in their imagination.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 05, 2014, 12:37:17 PM
They get paid to look for more. Even your SPF gets a look. A great many times it's a routine traffic stop that snags folks. That reality might not be what you wanna hear but reality is like that. Surely you are up to handling the situation


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Post by: zxcvbob on September 05, 2014, 12:44:50 PM
It looked to me (from the obviously biased news reports) like the police were targeting the journalists and peaceful protesters, while giving the looters and rioters a free pass.  And I guess that makes sense; journalists and protesters don't shoot back or throw bricks and firebombs.
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Post by: wmenorr67 on September 05, 2014, 01:20:38 PM
Well my take is if the "peaceful" ones would give up the trouble makers *expletive deleted*it like this would stop.

Quit enabling the bastards.
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Post by: Boomhauer on September 05, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
Well my take is if the "peaceful" ones would give up the trouble makers *expletive deleted* like this would stop.

Quit enabling the bastards.

And I strongly doubt that the crowds were made up of "mostly good people with a few bad eggs thrown in". Seems to me there were two type of people "protesting", the group of peaceful protesters that were by and large not a problem (and even stepped in to protect some businesses) and the groups of rioters and looters who were violent. Seperate groups.

I have no problem with the first, but the second one cannot by any stretch of the imagination be labeled legitimate, peaceful protesters. The second group is out there to hurt people, cause mayhem, steal, and destroy all under the guise of "protesting". And by and large, they got a pass for it.



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Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 05, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
They get paid to look for more. Even your SPF gets a look. A great many times it's a routine traffic stop that snags folks. That reality might not be what you wanna hear but reality is like that. Surely you are up to handling the situation


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It was a traffic stop that caught McVeigh.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 05, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
It was a traffic stop that caught McVeigh.
Statist!


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Post by: vaskidmark on September 06, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
It was a traffic stop that caught McVeigh.

Overtime parking in an interstate rest stop was what nailed the DC Snipers.

damn nosy coppers sticking their noses into everybody's business.

stay safe.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 06, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
I think it's amusing the way some folks feel entitled to automatic recognition as "good guys" either due to SPF the way they dress or their magic permit. It's a white bread thing I'll never understand


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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 06, 2014, 11:40:42 AM
If the 2 cops who investigated Polly klaus's killer's stuck vehicle had snooped she'd be alive. But at least her killers rights as a white guy were preserved


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Post by: vaskidmark on September 06, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
12-15% of the general population.  25+% of the prison population.  And the Justice Department still has not shown, in spite of repeated assertions, that there is a verifiable bias.

My magic permission slip proves that on one day several years ago I did not have a record of any disqualifying conditions.  The fact that magic permission slip holders are less than 0.000001% of those arrested for "gun  crimes" is merely anecdotal, just as is the fact that magic permission slip holders are 10+ times less likely than cops to be convicted of any felony - and we know how darned hard that is.

But it's not a white thing, or a black thing, or a yellow, brown, red, or purple thing.  It's that criminals see getting arrested/locked up as merely a cost of doing business while non-criminals are afraid near to death of the loss of their freedom so tend not to do stuff that could cause it to be lost.  Is there a correlation between that and being a victim who is not responsible for their actions versus accepting personal responsibility for behavior?  I don't know that anybody has "proved" it but it is a prevailing theory.

stay safe.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 06, 2014, 04:25:31 PM
Had a read it twice, but yes


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Post by: Perd Hapley on September 15, 2014, 09:49:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/STRo7Q7.jpg)
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Post by: zxcvbob on September 15, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/STRo7Q7.jpg)

I don't think he can handle it.
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Post by: Jocassee on September 17, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
So this story has dropped off the national view, probably for the better. Did any definitive word of the cop's condition come out? I saw a picture purporting to be him a while back on BookFace, but I don't believe anything I see on facebook.
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Post by: AJ Dual on September 17, 2014, 10:53:03 AM
So this story has dropped off the national view, probably for the better. Did any definitive word of the cop's condition come out? I saw a picture purporting to be him a while back on BookFace, but I don't believe anything I see on facebook.

My guess is he was injured enough that it'll be deemed a good shoot, assuming there's no one in power willing to throw him under the bus in the name of "racial justice".  And that they're going to drag out the "investigation" until prime-time riot season is over, and the weather is cold and wet.
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Post by: Jocassee on September 17, 2014, 11:56:40 AM
Here's the fake picture I was talking about, with an explanation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/04/darren-wilson-injury-photo-ferguson_n_5768510.html
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Post by: MechAg94 on September 17, 2014, 03:11:11 PM
Overtime parking in an interstate rest stop was what nailed the DC Snipers.

damn nosy coppers sticking their noses into everybody's business.

stay safe.
I thought I heard it was a trucker who spotted the white van at the rest stop and called it in. 
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Post by: MechAg94 on September 17, 2014, 03:12:50 PM
Well my take is if the "peaceful" ones would give up the trouble makers *expletive deleted* like this would stop.

Quit enabling the bastards.
It is easy.  Anyone employing deadly force or destroying property gets shot.  Everyone else is left alone.  It would be over really fast. 

Alas, no one seems to want to do that.
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Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on September 17, 2014, 03:29:19 PM
My guess is he was injured enough that it'll be deemed a good shoot, assuming there's no one in power willing to throw him under the bus in the name of "racial justice".  And that they're going to drag out the "investigation" until prime-time riot season is over, and the weather is cold and wet.

Do we have any firm conformation on the cops injuries?  I haven't seen anything I trust. There is a lot NOT being said and that makes me wonder.
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Post by: vaskidmark on September 18, 2014, 12:35:41 AM
I thought I heard it was a trucker who spotted the white van at the rest stop and called it in. 

Technically correct.  Should have denigrated both cohorts of nosy parker nannt-staters.

stay safe.
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Post by: Tallpine on September 18, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
I thought I heard it was a trucker who spotted the white van at the rest stop and called it in. 


It was a dark Caprice instead of a white van but yeah.

I always feel better pulling into a rest area at night if there are some big rigs there already.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on September 18, 2014, 11:34:09 PM
I think it's amusing the way some folks feel entitled to automatic recognition as "good guys" either due to SPF the way they dress or their magic permit. It's a white bread thing I'll never understand


Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on September 19, 2014, 06:50:37 AM
I think it's amusing the way some folks feel entitled to automatic recognition as "good guys" either due to SPF the way they dress or their magic permit. It's a white bread thing I'll never understand


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Fistful beat me to it.

Huh??
Title: Re: Woo-hoo - we made the Drudge Report!
Post by: vaskidmark on September 19, 2014, 08:02:06 AM
I think it's amusing the way some folks feel entitled to automatic recognition as "good guys" either due to SPF the way they dress or their magic permit. It's a white bread thing I'll never understand


Huh?  ???

Fistful beat me to it.

Huh??

Seriously?  What part didn't you get?  Or was it the lack of commas that threw you off?

Possessing that magic hall pass seems to be the biggest contributor to the notion.  I guess it's like going to church once a week - as long as you show up you demand to be seen as righteous no matter what you do the other 6 days of the week.

stay safe.
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Post by: AJ Dual on September 19, 2014, 09:39:28 AM
The funny thing about C&SD's notion is that appearing predominantly Asian, he's arguably even "whiter" in most American racial calculus.

Maybe he works hard to offset it with a ghettoish swagger and ebonics in his public life. (shrug)

The hard part is how to promote one's self as both a ex-criminal and a ultra-.gov-brownoser simultaneously, so they can perpetually engage in a self-referential "appeal to authority"-debate fallacy on any topics revolving around crime, police, and civil rights. I mean, it's easy on the internet in text, but IRL it must be much more difficult.

It's not exactly the kind of thing they make a t-shirt or a badge for. OTOH, those Cafe Press kind of places can be of immense help in these matters.

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/shirt_zpsbcab9036.png) (http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/shirt_zpsbcab9036.png.html)
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 19, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
I appear Asian? That's not the general consensus . And I think my persona is fairly constant. It's not like I play revolutionary on the net ala Walter Mitty .

To help fistful out I was/am amused at how folks react to cops doing what they get paid to do. In particular the umbrage and it's accompanied bombast.
To an outside observer it seems that folks seem to believe that they are clearly identifiable as good guys and as such the cops are abusing them. It's right amusing. More so when you see some of the interactions where seemingly bright folks assert what they imagine their rights are.


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Post by: fifth_column on September 19, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
I appear Asian? That's not the general consensus . And I think my persona is fairly constant. It's not like I play revolutionary on the net ala Walter Mitty .

To help fistful out I was/am amused at how folks react to cops doing what they get paid to do. In particular the umbrage and it's accompanied bombast.
To an outside observer it seems that folks seem to believe that they are clearly identifiable as good guys and as such the cops are abusing them. It's right amusing. More so when you see some of the interactions where seemingly bright folks assert what they imagine their rights are.


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I think people react not to what cops are paid to do, but to what we would like them to do.  Cops are paid to control, intimidate, and punish people.  What most people would like them to do is to stop treating citizens as the enemy.  The fact that cops treat me like I'm scum means that I'm going to treat them like they're scum.
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Post by: Scout26 on September 19, 2014, 02:31:18 PM
Putting this one in time-out for now....