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Title: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on January 25, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
This thread is replacing the previous threads: MN House jumps on the ban wagon (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=38127.0), and    
Minnesota: Gun registration and background check bills moving (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=43655.0), that were started two years ago.

In 2013 and 2014 we were attacked and held our ground in MN, we are hoping to go on the offensive in 2015. Sadly I missed this years strategy meeting, but I will have details tomorrow on the plan to share.

There is going to be a big get together at the State Capitol tomorrow. Sorry for the late notice, I just learned about it yesterday.

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WHEN
January 26, 2015 at 12pm - 3pm

WHERE
MN State Capitol North Mall
75 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Junior Blvd
Saint Paul, MN 55155

Learn more at http://www.mngold.org

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I'm here, nothing happening yet. I will make a new post once stuff starts happening.

Everything is done except meeting with representatives. Several reps spoke, but it was a pretty low key event. I will try to figure out how many people showed up.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: lee n. field on January 25, 2015, 08:26:08 PM
Give us a report, por favor.

(Don't know if I'll be making this year's Illinois IGOLD.  Depends on health and if I'm in the middle of something dr. ordered.)
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: Scout26 on January 25, 2015, 08:49:49 PM
Moving this to Politics.

And yes, please do keep us informed.  Always interesting to see what works and what doesn't in different states and various dynamics involved.


GOOD LUCK !!!!!
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: 230RN on January 26, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Good luck on your efforts.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: brimic on January 26, 2015, 05:10:58 PM
Good luck!
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on February 07, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
Here is an update, I will add more bill numbers with links and discriptions soon for the bills that exist.
HF-372 Carry notification at the capitol. (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF0372&ssn=0&y=2015)
SF-28 Prohibit local law enforcement from enforcing federal gun laws. (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2015/01/minnesota-action-alert-help-nullify-gun-control-support-sf28/)

www.gocra.org (http://www.gocra.org/)
www.mngopac.org (http://www.mngopac.org/)

2015 Legislative Priorities Their Facebook page link (https://www.facebook.com/notes/minnesota-gun-owners-civil-rights-alliance/2015-legislative-priorities/10153541726957542) has better formatting and pictures of the below text.
February 2, 2015 at 3:15pm

After two years of playing defense to gun control, we're turning the tables. This session will be all about restoring lost Second Amendment rights.
As GOCRA  and our partners at MNGOPAC talked about -- and took to legislators -- at last week's MNGOLD rally, these are our priorities for the current legislative session:
SESSION 2015 SECOND AMENDMENT PRIORITIES

Right to Keep and Bear Arms Amendment to the Minnesota Constitution
This fundamental right is guaranteed in 46 other states’ constitutions…but not in Minnesota. It’s long past time to enshrine this right in our own state’s highest law.

Ban "Emergency" Orders for Gun Confiscation*
Remember when police went door to door after Hurricane Katrina, confiscating people’s self defense firearms just when they were needed most? Governor Dayton could make such an order tomorrow. That option should be off the table.

Legalize Firearm Suppressors
These important safety devices not only make shooting quieter and more enjoyable, but they can keep you from permanently damaging your hearing if you have to fire a gun in your home. They’re legal in 39 other states. Why not Minnesota?

Constitutional Carry
We don’t pay a fee to speak. We don’t have to pass a background check to go to church. We don’t have to take a class before we can gather in a group. So why do we have to do all that to exercise our Second Amendment rights? Like all gun control, all of these hurdles serve to delay and deny a fundamental right to those who need it most, and can afford it least.

Stop Police Departments from Delaying Purchase Permits
The Legislature gave police chiefs and sheriffs seven days to process permits to purchase a pistol or “scary black rifle.” Most do just fine, but some departments take three, four, or even five weeks to process these permits. We need to make sure that all public servants follow the law: A right delayed is a right denied!

Remove Redundant Capitol Complex Carry Notification (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF0372&ssn=0&y=2015)
Did you remember to redundantly notify the Commissioner of Public Safety that your permit info is already in her permit database? It’s time to fix this law, which stopped making sense in 2003 when the Legislature gave the D.P.S. $1.2 million to create that statewide database.

Self Defense Law Reform*
Under current state law, your right to self defense decreases the moment you step outside your door. Court cases have completely rewritten the plain language of Minnesota statutes, to the point where you practically need a law degree to understand what your rights are – and what will get you locked up for life. Should law abiding citizens be coerced into surrendering their property, their right to move freely, and even their lives, to violent criminals?

* This legislation passed the House and Senate in 2012, before being vetoed by Governor Dayton.

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Full size image. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10945476_394669174035913_4246206654674364375_o.png)

The MNGOLD rally was more interesting than I thought. Right before I arrived we had a heckler (known anti gun agitator) wearing blaze orange camo, and we had a banner towing airplane flying overhead. Sadly I missed it.

From GOCRA's FB page: (https://www.facebook.com/gocra) "THANK YOU to the 28 senators and representatives who took time from their busy days to stand with MNGOPAC, GOCRA and all law-abiding Minnesota gun owners at the ‪#‎MNGOLD‬ rally.
They are, in alphabetical order:

Sen. Bruce Anderson, Rep. Dave Baker, Rep. Peggy Bennett, Sen. David M. Brown, Rep. Tony Cornish, Sen. Gary H. Dahms, Rep. Steve Drazkowski, Rep. Dan Fabian, Rep. Steve Green, Rep. Tom Hackbarth, Rep. Dave Hancock, Rep. Josh Heintzeman, Rep. Brian Johnson, Sen. Mary Kiffmeyer, Sen. Warren Limmer, Rep. Eric Lucero, Rep. Jim Nash, Sen. David Osmek, Sen. Eric Pratt, Rep. Jason Rarick, Sen. Carrie Ruud, Rep. Peggy Scott, Rep. Chris Swedzinski, Rep. Mark Uglem, Sen. Torrey Westrom, and Rep. Abigail Whelan."

http://photos.twincities.com/2015/01/26/gun-rights-advocates-hold-gun-owners-lobby-day-at-state-capitol/#1 Some photos from the event.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: Scout26 on February 08, 2015, 10:13:22 AM
Any idea on the chances of getting them passed and signed into law/vetoes overridden?
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on February 08, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
I think the odds are pretty good for suppressors, purchase permit reform, and Capitol notification.

Governor Dayton, despite being very anti gun has noticed which way the winds are blowing. He supported allowing people to continue carrying in the Capitol, and has made some other pro gun statements lately. I don't think overriding a veto is likely if it comes to that though.

GOCRA said there are some more updates coming soon. They also think we will get the permit to purchase situation improved.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on February 25, 2015, 02:09:16 PM
Recently the Mall Of America was threatened by the same terrorists that blew up the Kenya mall. The MoA bans guns in the entire mall, and has since the MPPA (MN Personal Protection Act) went into effect in 2003. That is illegal under MN law because they are a landlord. Now MN House Rep, and very pro gun, Tony Cornish and GOCRA (Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance) are pushing MoA to allow carry in the mall.

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http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/28177893/mngop-rep-cornish-moas-gun-policy-is-illegal-creates-kill-zone-for-terrorists

GOCRA Briefing: Link to their website's briefing (http://www.gocra.org/news/2015/02/gocra_landlord_briefing/)

The Mall of America has been in the news recently, after it was named as a possible target of an attack by al-Shabaab terrorists[1]. The group claimed responsibility for a 2013 attack on the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, in which 63 shoppers were killed and over 175 more were injured by four terrorists armed with grenades and rifles.[2]

Mall management continues to insist that it retains the right to ban visitors from legally carrying pistols into the mall.[3] An analysis of Minnesota law reveals that they are mistaken: the law precludes the mall from banning legal carry.

Private Businesses Can Ban Carry – Sometimes

The Minnesota Citizens Personal Protection Act of 2003[4] allows certain types of private entities to remove individuals carrying under the terms of the law:

Subd. 17. Posting; trespass. (a) A person carrying a firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.[5]

The statute goes on to define in great detail the form that the notification and request must take, including the placement and content of signs, means of verbal notification, and some special exclusions.

Landlords Can’t Ban Carry!

One of those exclusions relates directly to landlords, who are specifically barred from restricting lawful carry:

(e) A landlord may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.[6]

Landlords are also barred from attempting an end-run around the statute:

(f) Notwithstanding any inconsistent provisions in section 609.605, this subdivision sets forth the exclusive criteria to notify a permit holder when otherwise lawful firearm possession is not allowed in a private establishment and sets forth the exclusive penalty for such activity.

No Absurd Results

Minnesota law provides very clear instructions for interpretation of its various provisions:

645.17 PRESUMPTIONS IN ASCERTAINING LEGISLATIVE INTENT.
(1) the legislature does not intend a result that is absurd, impossible of execution, or unreasonable;
(2) the legislature intends the entire statute to be effective and certain;[7]
<…>

A prohibition on carry in common areas would effectively prevent tenants and their guests from reaching the tenant spaces. This is the quintessential definition of an “absurd, impossible of execution” result that renders a portion of the law meaningless, in contradiction of the Legislature’s intent for “…the entire statute to be effective….”

Because carry cannot be prohibited in the tenants’ private spaces, carry cannot be banned in the common areas required to reach those spaces.

This analysis is provided as general information, but it is not legal advice. Individual circumstances may result in different legal outcomes. If you plan to visit the Mall of America while carrying, given the mall’s repeated declarations that they have the power to ban guns in common areas of the mall, you should consult an attorney licensed in Minnesota.

1 Google News: “Mall of America” “Al-Shabaab” (https://www.google.com/search?q=”mall+of+america”+”al-shabaab”)
2 “Westgate shopping mall attack,” Wikipedia. Retrieved Feb. 24, 2015 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westgate_s ... all_attack)
3 “Security Information,” Mall of America Web site. Retrieved Feb. 24, 2015 (http://www.mallofamerica.com/guests/security)
4 2003 Minnesota Session Laws, Chapter 28-S.F.No. 842 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/?id=28&year=2003&type=0)
5 Minnesota Statutes 2014, Chapter 624.714, Subd. 17 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id ... 624.714.17)
6 Ibid, paragraph (e)
7 Ibid, paragraph (f)
8 Minnesota Statutes 2014, Chapter 645.17 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=645.17)

MNGOPAC (Political Action Committee) has a similar release.

MNGOPAC STATEMENT ON MALL OF AMERICA GUN BAN (https://www.facebook.com/mngopac/photos/a.223706547798844.1073741828.219302818239217/403955819773915/?type=1&fref=nf) (Link goes to their Facebook post)

"The Mall of America has long had a policy to prohibit lawful carry of firearms by Minnesotans, including posting signs throughout the mall and removing permit holders seen to be carrying firearms.

Minnesota law, however, prohibits a landlord from interfering with the carrying of firearms under MN statute 624.714 by tenants or their guests.

The Mall of America is well aware that as landlords they cannot ban lawful carry. Carrying at the Mall of America does not violate the law, only the mall's wishes.

The current threat environment makes it unconscionable to seek to prohibit self-defense by the mall's customers."

- Bryan Strawser, Executive Director, Minnesota Gun Owners Political Action Committee

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Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on February 25, 2015, 02:22:18 PM
These three pro gun bills have been introduced. I think these have a good chance of moving forward, and being signed into law. You can read a bit more about them at GOCRA's Facebook page. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10003649_402980626538101_1082543362489073529_o.png)

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http://www.gocra.org/news/2015/02/capitol-carry-2015/

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10003649_402980626538101_1082543362489073529_o.png Link to full size image of the above.

I am not sure how likely Constitutional Carry is to pass, hopefully we can get some carry reform.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on February 28, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
MN Capitol Security Advisory Committee meeting decides to keep open access to the Capitol complex, with no gun restrictions.

In the Fall of 2013 during a similar CSAC an anti-gun verbal-bully testified that guns being carried by permit holders in the Capitol made him feel unsafe. But apparently not so unsafe that he couldn't keep from yelling over people for no reason, and yelling out the "words" PAAh-RAAh-NNooooooiiiiiiiAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! over everyone else (both pro and anti gun) that were trying to have peaceful, civil, and quiet conversations. In 2014 that guy was yelling out, louder each time, over and over, "If they had any respect for women, they wouldn't have anyone here!" This was during the so called domestic violence bills, that did nothing but try to ban guns and bring a few DV things in line with federal laws. The other guy who is a bit smarter tried to get some of our guys kicked out, but nearly ended up getting himself in trouble instead.

Most of the people in MN, both pro and anti gun, are civil and polite, but poor behavior by our opponents and various tricks and fraud are becoming our biggest threat as the tide turns more in our favor. The fraudulent group Minnesota Gun Rights, officially affiliated with NAGR (National Association of Gun Rights) is causing trouble and attacking Tony Cornish among other pro gun politicians, stealing time from legitimate pro gun speakers, and engaging in false flag attacks against our allies and opponents alike. I would happily trade away MGR for mere idiots like a few of the worst open carriers (and I support open carry) and mere swindling organisations that are all too common in charities and politics. MGR (MN Gun Rights) is like a fake animal rescue group that runs an underground dog fighting ring. MGR, NAGR, and other NAGR state affiliates put way too much effort into screwing things up and making gun rights activists look bad for this to be simple fraud.

In lighter news:
Tony Cornish, MN Rep, Pro gun, was on Fox concerning the MoA gun ban. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po2HriXMNdA) Seems that Fox is pro gun as well.
This video  Todd Starnes, Fox Nation's The Dispatch, with Tony Cornish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRy22_Xkvw&feature=youtu.be) is also pretty good, and short.

Cowardly liberal legislator skips two-day hearing on her own gun-control bills! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-q9XV_oUo)  This video showed up after the first one played. It is a bunch of highlights from the 2013 MN gun debates. Some of it is pretty entertaining as far as political hearing testimony goes.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 07, 2015, 04:04:55 AM
From GOCRA's Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/notes/minnesota-gun-owners-civil-rights-alliance/suppressor-second-amendment-bills-hearing-scheduled/10153629481237542) page.

The House Public Safety Committee has scheduled a hearing for three GOCRA-supported bills we want to see passed this year.
 
The hearing will be held at 10:15 a.m. on Thursday, March 12 in room 10 of the State Office Building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/100+Rev+Dr+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Boulevard.,+St+Paul,+MN+55155/@44.9543291,-93.1047081,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x87f62aa93ff2513d:0x93d5f91985c0bb58), near the State Capitol, and will include these three bills:
 
HF1434 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF1434&ssn=0&y=2015) - Rep. Mark Anderson's bill would legalize firearm suppressors in Minnesota for all lawful purposes. (Dustin's Note: This includes "shall sign" legislation with an appeals process for anyone denied)
 
     See our briefing on sound suppressors (http://www.gocra.org/news/2015/03/gocra-briefing-sound-suppressors-mufflers-for-firearms/)
 
HF372 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=House&f=HF0372&ssn=0&y=2015) - Rep. Jim Nash's bill would remove the obsolete notification requirement for permit holders who enter any Capitol Area state building.
 
     See our briefing on Capitol carry (http://www.gocra.org/news/2015/02/capitol-carry-2015/)
 
HF830 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF1434&ssn=0&y=2015) - Rep. Eric Lucero's bill would, after 29 years, update Minnesota law to make it clear that Minnesotans are allowed to buy long guns in other states.
 
     See our briefing on long gun purchase in other states (http://www.gocra.org/news/2015/02/capitol-carry-2015/)
 
The committee will also hear Rep. Dan Fabian's HF305 (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=House&f=HF0305&ssn=0&y=2015), which would add recognition of North Dakota carry permits in Minnesota.
 
See you there!
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 12, 2015, 07:50:15 AM
TL;DR  We won! All four bills headed to the House Floor. Next meeting for the House is this Tuesday. Updates and proof reading when I get home. More of the same in the morning.


Today is House safety Committee hearing day. I will try to live blog, but I am not sure what sort of connection I will have. I will be using a small smart phone, and will make corrections and such after I get back home. Either way, expect updates by at least noon, central time.

9:15   A little over 20 of us. I only see Heather Martens from the opposition so far. Several politicians talking to people.  
9:25   Maybe 40 of us, still no one else from the other side.
9:40   50 of us, at least 2 of them. They are holding hearings on two pro gun bills at one time. Both are said to have wide spread support. I think North Dakota reciprocity is the new bill being added to the list.

10:00  Seated. Maybe 100 of us in this room.

Just 'learned' from the paper handouts that suppressors are the NRA's biggest lie. It's a copy of an article from Salon. Fun read involving CIA murder and the like. Should make today's hearing more interesting.
Thankfully the most pro gun guy in the House is Chair this year. Last year we had the most anti gun person as Chair. The House went R after the last election, the Senate is still 5D-3R.

10:16  starting.

"Fun day gun day at the Capitol" - Rep Tony Cornish, Chair.

Chiefs of Police MCPA is against suppressors.  :(  they say it hurts ShotSpotter. My phone originally typed it as $#!TSpotter. They think suppressors would be stolen. Poaching. Sorry for my poor smart phone spelling and grammar. I will fix it later, and scan in the derp.

10:23.  GOCRA president Andrew Rothman up. Talking about Capitol notification.
10:31   Police talking about Capitol carry notification. We have to email, write, or Fax any .gov building before we carry there, or it is a felony. This is only required once in your life per location.
Felony, no warning signs to let people know of the obscure law. Talking about history of this issue. In short its from before electronic databases and the  standardization that shall issue brought to the state.
Walking on the sidewalk around the Capitol grounds without written notification is a felony.

10:41  Opposition is up.  Older lady said she lost a sister in a home invasion. Story sounds like a rape/murder. Said most years no permit holders are known to have shot someone in self defense. Said many CCW committed crimes. Said she is against this and other pro gun bills.

Supposed gun owner said he is against CCW, calls us fearful, intimidating, questions why we need guns in the Capitol. Disgusted, repeated for emphasis. With us and the NRA name. His name is Phil Charles. Seems extremely anti gun for an alleged owner.

10:47  Chair and others talking. Police officer & rep says normal people can't handle stress of a shoot/no shoot scenario. He is against Capitol carry.

10:53  Bill passed to floor. I didn't hear a single nay.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 12, 2015, 11:59:58 AM
Suppressors

10:57   Suppressors are up. I can barely scroll on this phone, may need to try tapatalk. Starting a new post because of trouble scrolling.

Same as mufflers, invented by same person. (Maxim) "Won't be ninjas shooting"

10:58   Rothman. Holding up suppressor.  Good speech. Eight times louder than a jack hammer.
11:01   Walking us through federal process to acquire Title 2 items.
11:11   Someone else up. Sighting medical studies. Very good work so far. Said one shot caused permanent hearing loss.

If you have suppressor, doesn't protect you from others, question from rep.

11:15   ASA up. Talking about noise, laws. Says criminals only use home made suppressors. Criminals don't want an extra 4-9 inches on their pistols.
Hunters want institutional awareness. Don't wear hearing protection.

11:21  Cornish: Shot locator can find suppressed weapons. Suppressed weapons have not been a problem in any state.
11:24   ASA: Air guns are stronger than suppressed 22. Said "how often are 22 used in crime." My comment, often. I think a rep added later that they are used it was a bad comment from the ASA. ASA also missed hunting dogs hearing protection, and recoil.

Q:  Do other states limit pistol suppressors, or suppressor size?  A:  No and no.
Q:  Does suppressor affect bullet forensics. A:  No impact.

ASA was asked about its membership size concerning normal people. 1000 normal people, lots of dealers, manufacturers, new org, since 2011, it just started growing.
Q:   Gun show loophole with suppressors?  A:   No, same regs.  (Some laughter from the crowd)

11:31   Minnesota weapons collectors org up. No real comments, they support suppressors.

11:32   Citizens up:  MN NG guy up. Lost hearing in Iraq. Wants suppressors in part for home defense.

11:34   Opposition's turn. Heather Martens, head of Protect Minnesota, and the leader of the opposition. Claims 15k members (lie).

Claims gun owners think suppressor regs are good as they sit, also says we want to dismantle fed gun suppressor laws. MN chiefs against it. Shot spotter is not good, doesn't want it worse.

Silencers were not designed to protect hearing. Says silencers were designed to commit murder and get away with it. (Laughter) Crowd told to be quiet. (All of her BS came from an article from Salon.)

11:38   Q:  For martens. Claimed 12 uses in crime. A:  Because of strict controls. Fed legislation is under attack.
Q:  How does this bill affect the fed issue re legalization. A:  We will have nothing at state level should fed laws be repealed.

Q:  Can you be snuck up on by eight jack hammers? A:  feds reg these. (I should look up the videos, I could not transcribe very fast on my smart phone, as such I am missing lots of details.)

8 x louder, scientist says you need 32 devices because of db scale. (It would actually be a lot more, the energy is 32x louder)

11:43  A surgeon is up. The audience is reminded to be quiet if we object to anything we hear.
He says knows nothing about guns, but it's sad when he can't save people, including from gun shots. Thanked Andrew Rothman (GOCRA pres) for help with parking meter.
Brought up health issue of suppressor, hearing. Claims evidence of hearing protection us sketchy. Casting doubt on well researched science in general. He doesn't seem too anti gun.
He doubts relationship between db and hearing loss. (My comment WTF, lots of WTF looks and noises in the room) (His statements ended up being mocked by *everyone* all night, many reps, and our side really ripped into his statements.)(That guy was adamant, and answered many questions on the matter, he doesn't think loud noises cause hearing loss, WTF??)

Rep mentions the state and laws always sight and measure in db.

11:51   Another lady up. Said reason for fed law was gangsters, I will transcribe some of these comments when I get home. She claims this is being pushed by NRA and manufacturers. She is showing pictures from suppressor manufacturer/dealer websites. (I could see a skull and cross bones on one of the sheets. She must be hand picking adds that make us look bad, not sure if what she is showing is legitimate ads or not)

11:55   Cornish said we won't finish now, will recess at noon. He said sheriff's and MPPA?? (another LEO group) Aren't here to oppose. (they aren't here at all, and gave no objection, nor would they, as they are pro gun)

Now we have unorganized citizen open testimony.
11:57   Previous lady who's sister was shot in her bed is up again.
11:58   Another guy up. Wants a 70 db limit and restriction of suppressors to ranges.
12:02   Another guy, Uzi FA instructor was shot and killed by a little girl. Says noise issue is a lie. Mainly a way for poachers. Mentioned Britain.
12:03   Another guy, runs a tech firm, no financial issue or stake. Pro gun.
    Private citizens done.
12:05   Reps talking.
    "I'd like to table this till we can hear from an audiologist."
    <pause>
    Tony Cornish - "No, we are in recess." <gavel bangs> Several in the audience LOL


Seems they had about 10 people total, not sure. We seem to have over 100.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 12, 2015, 05:22:21 PM
4:18   About to start again. Hopefully going to mention hearing protection, police use of suppressors, recoil reduction. (Later edit: Didn't have time, only four minutes divided by a few speakers, but we still did well.)
4:22   Meeting back to order.

Technical details, "and" vs "or". Everything good there.
Talked idea of medical facts concerning hearing loss. Referring to the surgeon mentioned earlier.

4:28   Discussing court, regarding carry permits, recovering attorney fee's if permits are wrongly denied.

4:45   Andrew and Heather talked for four mins each. Andrew refuted previous comments. Heather now claims this is an end run around attempt at invalidating background checks. she is referring to them having 15 days to do a mechanical background check, vs the 30 for other types. Various reps responding. Turns out in MN some BG checks get 7, some 15, and some 30, it depends on the type. Almost every law, with a few exceptions, go by the standard that the time limit is consistent regarding and based on the type, and its thoroughness.

I video taped both sides four minutes. Will upload to YouTube if the Capitol cameras didn't save it.

4:49   Rep referring to time limits. Debate over length of BG check. 30 vs 15 days. I think Cornish said he wanted 3 days.
4:52   Rep arguing that to be consistent it should be 7 because it is a mechanical check.
4:53   Rep stating the noise range is still damaging. (True) Hopefully someone will point out the huge degree in reduction of damage. (Huge difference in result if you are 5 db over the limit vs 30 over, huge instant permanent loss, vs slow gradual loss)

4:57   Rep wraps his dogs in orange tape every year. Doesn't want hunters any closer. He thinks suppressors would make them more bold, and head closer to areas they shouldn't be.

Another Rep Turbofan vs jet at airports. We should do everything we can to reduce noise. Every bit helps. good for shooting ranges.
Rep said His ears ring when bird hunting. (Later edit: Might be a different rep than the above, I would have to re-watch and check)
5:00   Says we should encourage appropriate tool use.

5:04   Lady rep said proper scientific tests are impossible. Would require some people to operate guns sans any protection and study their hearing loss as a control group vs those using suppressors.

5:07   Another lady rep went and shot a suppressed weapon, and talked about ShotSpotter. She seemed neutral on guns last year, she was the swing vote, but this year she invited other reps to join her shooting different weapons to do the research. Our side was not a part of that in any way, she did it on her own with (Saint Paul?) police and their weapons.

5:10   Suppressors passed with one nay vote.  =D

----  New bill up, buying long guns in non contiguous states  ----

5:12   Andrew is up again. History of GCA 68. Bill concerns buying rifles and shotguns in non contiguous states.

5:17   Explaining details of the bill.

5:19 passed, no opposed.

519.   Speech by rep concerning 2nd amendment.


Odds are not that great of getting anything through the Senate though. We might get a few of the less important and controversial bills through. Our side, including our key members are in this for the long haul. If we don't win this year, we will win next year, or the year after. The carry bill took over ten years of work, if suppressors and constitutional carry take that long, so be it.
TL;DR  We won! All four bills headed to the House Floor. Next meeting for the House is this Tuesday. Updates and proofreading when I get home. More when I wake up tomorrow.

Minnesota Gun Owners Political Action Committee: "The bill is sponsored by Reps from both parties, so the Governor has an out for signing a "bipartisan" bill.
The big hurdle will be Rep. Latz, who chairs Senate Judiciary. He could refuse to call the bill, unless leadership intervenes."

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I was starting to slip on my huge picture collection quota.

www.startribune.com article about suppressors. (http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/296029471.html) It is amazing how much things have changed in the last few years. The RedStar, Star&Sickle err StarTribune has *really* changed in its reporting of gun articles. That said,it does take us spoon feeding facts, details, and constantly correcting their lies, misconceptions, and mistakes, but the change is still amazing.
Quote from: From the Strib article:
ST. PAUL, Minn. — House lawmakers moved Thursday to legalize silencers and loosen the rules for bringing firearms onto the state Capitol grounds, reigniting debate over guns in Minnesota even as the leader of the Senate said he'd "like to stay out of the gun conversation" this year.
In 2013 they wanted to ban everything, in 2014 they wanted a lot, now they don't want to play at all. Huge progress!
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 16, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
Hearing Tuesday evening. Another Thursday morning

Civil Law and Data Practices Committee
Tuesday, March 17, 2015
6:00 p.m.
Room 500 North
State Office Building

Map: https://goo.gl/maps/01YTD

PARK FOR FREE after 4 p.m. in lot AA (at Aurora & Rice)
______________

The bill is expected to go on to the Public Safety committee on Thursday morning.
______________
Public Safety and Crime Prevention Policy and Finance
Thursday, March 19, 2015
10:15 a.m.
Room 10
State Office Building

Map: https://goo.gl/maps/01YTD

PARK for $1.75/hr in lot AA (at Aurora & Rice) or at meters

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Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 17, 2015, 07:07:41 PM
Tuesday's hearing.

5:58  Anti gun rep Lesch is making a few funny jokes. He always seemed like a nice guy in person. Very funny.

6:01  Starting, old business.

6:10  Indian tribe bill.

6:12  Our emergency powers bill is up.
   Katrina history.

6:16  GOCRA, and NRA support bill.
    Reason bill is in this specific hearing is because we can sue if guns are confiscated.

6:18   Rep Lesch is asking why police would respect this bill if they don't respect the 2nd amendment. Asked about other seized items including records. Chair jokenly asked "what's a record?", lots of laughter.

6:20   GOCRA president emeritus, professor Olsen answering questions.

6:21   All in favor of sending to public safety? All ayes.

6:22   Saint Patrick party, free green shakes for reps. One rep said "nothing legislators like more than free stuff", lots of laughter.

The bill is moving to the public safety committee. It is guaranteed to pass.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 19, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
9:10.   At the capitol. Today we pass the emergency powers bill to the floor. This bans gun confiscation during emergencies. Only 3 of us here that I can see.

9:30.   4 of us here, no anti gun types, none yesterday either.

10:10.   Maybe 20 of us now, I have only seen 1 person from the opposition, their leader Heather Martens. It will be fun to see what she has to say.

10:15.   Looks like we are in for a slide show featuring hurricane Katrina and roof Koreans.
   2 of the opposition are here.

10:17.   Starting, roll call.  Bill concerning proof of car insurance using smart phone app.

10:40.  Reciprocity with north Dakota.

10:45.   Big debate over BG checks, NICs checks,

League of women voters.  Susan Sheridan Tucker.  Against all guns (paraphrasing), some fun commentary out of her.

Subjugate state sovringty, martens up

18 vs 21 age for carry permit in nd vs mn

11:18.    18 vs 21, Cornish for 18 and campus carry.  Cornish supports constitutional carry.

11:25.   NICs and background check

11:33.    Law enforcement training.  Martens wants to speak to a few reps, goes for a little stroll on the forbidden side of the table.

11:36.     Police training,  north Dakota Class one vs class two carry permit.

DPS website, maintaing database.

11:53.  DPS (department of public safety) testifying.

Martens isn't happy about the recess.

12:00.  In recess

Lots of fun commentary, wish I could blog better. Using a smart phone and was in the front row. Needed to look good for the camera, not buried in the phone.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on March 19, 2015, 07:02:15 PM
6:00    Lots of fun at the House floor. Some financial bill is creating tons of drama. Rod Hamilton yelled at the speaker that he is a dictator. Lots of out of order yelling and such, it was awesome.

We should start soon.

About 10 of us to 2 of them. The crazy guy from Plymouth, and Heather Martens.

6:25   Meeting in order. Reciprocity with ND. DPS 'Somedood' is up, seems like a nice guy, pro gun, wants reciprocity. He was friendly and chatted with us before he testified. Never mind he wasn't DPS. Anyone know who he works for?

6:29   Now the DPS guy is up. The department is neutral on the bill.

6:33   Discussing 18 vs 21, and ND lowers training requirement.

6:37   The word "similar" is a big issue.

6:42   What if Someone is a chronic drunk or mentally I'll?

6:47   Heather martens is up, defining 'substantially similar'. She used the dictionary, not the legal versions. Her testimony ignored that several other states have a greater degree of difference than North Dakota.

6:48   Crazy guy (Bill Krause) up. Wants to ask ND if they will up their standard and not weaken ours. (They keep claiming that it violates, or that we are giving up, our sovereignty by allowing ND residents to carry in MN under MN law. Our counterpoint is that Professor Olsen, who started GOCRA over 25 years ago was able to drive in MN at age 14 with his TX license even though MN only gave licenses to 16 year olds.)

6:49   Motion passed with several nays. It seemed like most or all of the nays came from DFLers.

6:50   Emergency powers bill.

7:00   Slide show. Lots of Katrina, LA riots, stolen guns, roof Koreans.

7:07   Q&A.  Andrew Rothman up, definition of quasi government.
Neighborhood watch, scout leader? Who is quasi government? (It later turns out that when private security or anyone else who was deputized by the .gov or working under their direction is quasi government)

7:12   Issues of indemnity for police. Same language as other states. Question of chain of evidence.

7:17   Issue of curfew. Can still steal guns from curfew violators. (Dustin's note: I believe requires and covers the issue of the guns being given back, I will update)

7:20   Question about Leo under fire during Katrina. Our rep said he is sure first responders were under fire.

My phone ate the post before this one, and sometime after 7:20 I was asked to play photographer.

Later on Heather and the Bill Krause, the crazy guy, spoke.

You can also see him at 29:20, and later at 1:47:00 in this video. (http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/htv/programa.asp?ls_year=89&event_id=881927)

When I uploaded the video it gave me the following suggested tags: +Firearm (Sports Equipment)+Family+Bill+Crazy+Capture+Insane   Those are just based on the title I gave it, but it was still funny to me.
Sadly when I tried to zoom I hit the volume button on my phone causing it to go to vibrate twice, I also missed the first several seconds of his testimony. I will update it with House Committee audio once that is available.
This might end up being the video link, I am still editing it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=KyIiX-NNWfg

I am going to bring my tape recorder to the capitol from now on. Especially for the smaller committee meetings that don't have much or any video.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: lee n. field on March 19, 2015, 08:33:19 PM
Quote
10:15.   Looks like we are in for a slide show featuring hurricane Katrina and roof Koreans.
   2 of the opposition are here.

....
10:40.  Reciprocity with north Dakota.

Funny how my mind works.   I read the line with "roof Koreans".  Then on down my mind sticks it in as "reciprocity with North Korea".  Oh, wait, that can't be right.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 15, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
From GOCRA (http://www.gocra.org/)'s Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/gocra) page.

GUN VOTE THURSDAY
On Thursday, the full House will vote on four gun rights bills.
Please come to the Capitol at 3:00 Thursday to show your support for these bills! Wear your GOCRA shirt (or any maroon shirt), to show our strength.
Need a shirt? Pre-order one here: www.gocra.mn/shirt
Here are the bills:
Rep. Mark Anderson's suppressor bill, HF1434
Rep. Eric Lucero's interstate purchase bill, HF830
Rep. Jim Newberger's emergency Powers bill, HF722
Rep. Jim Nash's capitol notification bill, HF372
These bills will be presented and voted individually, to show how much support they have in the House, which should help the omnibus bill move forward (see our last update).
____________________________
Minnesota House - Gun Votes
When: Thursday, April 16, 2015, 3:00 p.m.
Where: Minnesota State Capitol
Map: www.gocra.mn/capmap
Park: $1.75/hr in lot AA (at Aurora & Rice) or at meters
Wear: A maroon shirt (especially a GOCRA shirt!) -- or dress clothes (suits or dresses)
Carry: Discreetly, after notifying the commissioner: www.gocra.mn/capcarry
Tip: The meters and parking are only enforced until 4! Don't overfeed the meters!

-------------

Everyone wants to know: what's going on with the suppressor bill?
THAT DEPENDS ON YOU!
If the House sees a big turnout of support for the suppressor legalization bill, HF1434, on Thursday at 3:00, they may be convinced to put the suppressor bill into the public safety omnibus bill.
Adding the suppressor bill to the omnibus would give it the BEST CHANCE of getting through the Senate.
So put on a maroon shirt and join us at the Capitol on Thursday at 3:00, and let the legislature know loud and clear that Minnesotans like their guns...not quite as loud.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 16, 2015, 04:32:04 PM
We won! Every bill passed!

This is the live blog post for today's House vote on numerous gun bills. I advertised this thread on Facebook, and a few other forums, so we may have a few visitors.  Update: We won on every issue!

To everyone just now seeing this thread also note my other thread on suppressor research (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=47539.0).

3:26   I am at the second floor balcony. Reps are starting to fill in below.

3:30   Call to order, prayer, pledge of allegiance.

3:35   Nice seeing a few "self defense is a human right" buttons on reps. We have a very nice turnout, likely around a 50 people, not sure.

3:40   I am not allowed to lean over the railing.  :angel:

3:45   HF 830  Purchasing contiguous states, passed.

3:48   HF 372  Permit to carry Capitol notification is up.

3:54   Cornish testified to a point of order, said lock boxes at the Capitol would be expensive.

3:59   Speaker won a voice vote.

4:00   Capitol notification vote, passed.

4:01   HF 722  Gun confiscation during emergencies. Posing pill amendment to the bill failed. Another amendment. Rep Jim Newberger, the bill's sponsor wants the amendment to fail. So called officer safety, two of our guys, both police are against the amendment, the person for it was also a police officer, he doesn't believe in gun control but he is on Bloomberg's payroll. Failed.

4:12   HF 722 main vote, passed 88 to 42.

4:15   HF 1434 Suppressors, wahoo! It was brought up!

4:18   Suppressor amendment up. Rep Raymond Dehn (DFL lawyer) speaking, he voted to move the bill out of committee earlier this year. Saying anti gun stuff :(  Sounds like it will be a rural vs city restriction. Some sort of carve out. Now he is talking about background checks. It now sounds like a registration amendment. Doesn't affect long guns... Only affects semi auto rifles and hand guns.  ;/ ??? :facepalm:

4:24   Rep Peppin? from Hennepin "Can the Sgt at Arms carry guns as they go out after us" *laughter* response: (from the Speaker) "The speaker isn't sure".

4:26   Cornish rebutting the amendment, nice speech given. First Cornish addresses the background check stat concerning the 80% that support background checks. He makes the point that people don't know the details of the background checks before responding.

(Dustin's comment: Both GOCRA and the NRA support background checks. It really depends on what type and for whom. The issue that is being debated in society at large is should there be a check between family members for even short term borrowing) Cornish actually makes the same point, and did a great job.  This speech is at 1:09:00 in the video linked at the end of this post.

4:29   Voting on Rep Dehn's registration and UBC (Universal Background Check) amendment. 1:13 - 1:26 in the video.

Minnesota is a gun state, it is passed time that you can beat up on gun owners. Are you really going to beat up gun owners after you lost the majority. Not a direct quote, wish I had recorded that. Updated text to follow.

4:35   Roll call still going. Sgt at Arms instructed to bring in absent members. One unexcused member left. Funny bit of drama shaming Republican Rep Paul Torkelson to get in here and vote. It was started by the dems, and the speaker joined in on it.

4:39   Cornish discussing the background check amendment.

4:43   Amendment failed. 45 to 84

4:56   Finally moving on. Anti gun speech. 1:28:00 in the video. Rep Joe Mullery "When somebody yells duck, they run for their guns to go hunting."  ;/

4:58   Said shotspotter doesn't work with suppressors per their contract.

4:59   Rep Cornish (R, NRA T-shirt worn under his jacket) (1:33:00 in the video) up again. Said the sergeant with the Minneapolis PD said shotspotter doesn't work under many conditions now anyway. Said shotspotter can detect suppressed gun shots if they are entered into the database, and that suppressors aren't used in crimes.

5:02   Rep Diane Loeffler (DFL, Hennepin, 1:34:00 in the video) Says gunshots signal to kids to seek cover. Talks about rural vs urban areas. Says she is voting no.

5:04   Suppressor main vote. (1:35:00 in the video) The score board is looking awesome... and... We won!  89 to 40

Done for today, more info and corrections to follow.

We now have a better than 50% chance of getting these bills signed into law.

Live and archived video of the House and Senate   http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/htv/liveweb.htm  Suppressors start at the 46 minute mark.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 20, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
Right now we need to contact our reps in the House and convince them to add the suppressor bill to the omnibus bill, and contact our Senators and tell them to support gun owners.

Quote from GOCRA's FB page: "The House GOP leadership hadn't yet decided to add it (the suppressor bill) to the omnibus. They clearly need to do so." I heard, but I am not sure from whom, that the reason it isn't is because it failed a 24 hour deadline to make it in before, but the bill can be added later.

The omnibus strategy is to force the gun bills through with the rest of the "almost must" pass bills. I seriously doubt the governor would veto an omnibus bill. We need to write our House reps and let them know to add the suppressor bill to the omnibus bill.

My personal guess is the House and Senate leaderships are still debating what bills to pass this year. I hope it isn't a matter of them not being sure if they want to push and spend the political capitol on suppressors, and the delay is just a coincidence or nothing to worry about, but I am not sure. We need to write/call/visit them and convince them to pass them all.

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HF 372   Capitol carry notification passed 92-38
HF 722   Emergency Powers bill passed 88-42
HF 830   Clarifies interstate long gun sales 110-19
HF 1434  Suppressors passed 89-40

All of the Republicans that voted, voted pro gun. A few had to be coaxed by the democrats by means of the Sgt at Arms into voting though.

House Ways and Means Committee suppressor audio (http://ww2.house.leg.state.mn.us/audio/mp3ls89/ways042015.mp3) 28:15 minutes / seconds into the audio. Adopted into the omnibus bill with one nay.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: dogmush on April 20, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
So small world story: Rep Davnie on the above list is my Wife's uncle, and was at my house two weeks ago.

I pitched these bills, and think I made some headway but he was not swayed on suppressors at all. In the end he's pretty partisan. (Although he'd be really offended to hear that.)
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: sbl23 on April 24, 2015, 12:09:14 AM
Update from GOCRA's Facebook page

Quote
Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
2 hrs ·
The Minnesota Senate has voted in favor of all GOCRA bills!
The pro-2A measures were added to a huge "omnibus" bill, containing many public safety, judiciary and corrections issues.
Because the House and Senate will produce omnibus bills that will differ significantly, (not our provisions, but others), the next significant step will be a "conference committee" -- five senators and five representatives, who will meet and try to hammer out a single compromise bill for both the House and the Senate to vote upon.
If all goes well, since the House and Senate are almost exactly in sync on our issue, the conference committee will leave them alone.
All doesn't always go well, of course, so we'll ask you to make some calls and send some emails tomorrow.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 24, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
Senate Passes every pro gun bill 40-23

I missed everything last night. (Thursday April 23rd) I was at work.

minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/gun-weary-senate-makes-surprise-turn-to-legalize-silencers (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/gun-weary-senate-makes-surprise-turn-to-legalize-silencers/)

Strib: Minnesota Senate approves gun-silencer measure despite Dayton's veto threat (http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/301163331.html)

www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/301163551 (http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/301163551.html) A well researched pro suppressor piece by the Star Tribune's Outdoor columnist. It's very refreshing to hear something reasonable from them!

Quote from: Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
Here's the likely process:

* The House will pass their public safety policy-and-finance omnibus bill, maybe next week.
* The Senate will send their public safety policy omnibus and public safety finance omnibus bills over to the House.
* The House will substitute their own bill and send it back.
* The Senate will reject the House replacement
* The House GOP and Senate DFL leaders will each appoint 5 members (with a majority of 3 or 4 from their own party) to the committee.

We'll keep you up to date. WE REALLY NEED CONSTITUENTS to write their own reps and senators. If you haven't signed up for our GOCRA emails, we don;t know who represents you, and we can't send you specific info.
Please sign up at gocra.mn/join if you haven't already.

Senator Latz (very anti gun) adds an agreed-upon amendment that allows county prosecutors to prosecute straw purchases, since the feds rarely do.
The Senate voted for the amendment 61-0 as expected.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 27, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Here is a partial copy of an email that GOCRA is sending:

Tell Governor Dayton NO VETO on Second Amendment bills
Governor Dayton is wrong: crime with legal, registered silencers is almost nonexistent, as a recent article in the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association's magazine pointed out (see the article at gocra.mn/mps).
His veto would kill four other pro-2A bills: emergency powers, capitol notification, interstate purchase, and reciprocity. (See our 2015 bill tracker for more info.)

Governor Dayton needs to hear from you, and every gun owner in the state!
Email Governor Dayton and encourage him to sign the bill when it reaches his desk
 
Call the governor's office and deliver the same message:
Suppressors aren't used in crime
Suppressors are already legal in 39 states, with no problems there
Suppressors aren't "silent"
Suppressors save our hearing
Governor Dayton should sign SF878/HF849 when it reaches his desk

Telephone: 651-201-3400
Toll Free: 800-657-3717
Minnesota Relay: 800-627-3529
 
If you haven't already, please support GOCRA with a monthly donation or membership. Our ability to be at the Capitol every day depends on your generous support!
 
Background:

Last week, the Minnesota Senate voted 40-23 in favor of our five pro-2A bills, with "yes" votes from all Republicans present, and 13 of 36 Democrats.
The most visible bill, HF1434, would allow Minnesota to join 39 other states that allow its citizens to legally own firearm sound suppressors — after a ridiculously thorough triple background check.
That bill passed the Minnesota House a week earlier, with a vote of 89-40, including "yes" votes from 20 House DFL members.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: Scout26 on April 27, 2015, 03:20:14 PM
WELL DONE !!!!


I hope your governor signs it.  Even if he doesn't, sounds like you could override his veto.

And I'm truly shocked to read that in the RedStarTribune.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 28, 2015, 03:17:42 PM
House is going to talk about the omnibus bill soon:  SF878 (Cornish) Omnibus Public Safety and Crime Prevention Finance bill. Should not affect our bills status or anything, just letting people know it is happening and moving. The expectation is that the House will reject the Senate version.

https://events.qwikcast.tv/QwikCast/QwikCastEventById?eventKey=56ec96c7-941e-4bbb-a2c4-fd790b514e1f&eventPageId=1366


Kevin Vick owner of Crucible Arms: ALERT! I was told by the Governor's office today that they are receiving a large volume of calls asking the Governor to VETO the bill supporting your 2nd Amendment rights. We need to step up to the plate on this folks. Email and call 651 201 3400 Governor Dayton's office and urge him to SIGN SF878/HF849 when it reaches his desk! Don't assume "the other person" is going to do it for you! - Crucible Arms

I have heard the same from a few others. I think Dayton's staffers are lying to the public about the number of people opposed to it, but we should still call and be heard. 651 201 3400
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on April 28, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
Running commentary for April 28th House bills.  Guns should be up soon, maybe 3:00pm or so.   Update: All of the pro gun bills are intact, none of the anti gun amendments passed.

2:25  Alcohol omnibus bill being considered. Drinking under age 21 when accompanied by a parent was rejected on a voice vote. Lots of BS arguments against Sunday sales, store hours, and so on.

2:50  Guns are up. Cornish speaking. Senate version of the omnibus being considered.

2:51  SF was amended to match the HF version, unanimous voice vote in favor.

3:13  Roll call, mostly green.

3:15  Stolen valor amendment. Would add Sgt Major (and all enlisted men) to the stolen valor law which currently only goes after those impersonating officers.

3:17  Lesch (D) wants to give that amendment a "haircut" and not have it apply to the lowest enlisted classes.

3:20-3:25  Debate on rules or order, and if the amendment is legal.

3:40   Amendment passed. Lots of angry acrimony.

3:42   Anti gun amendments up, these will be voted down.

3:43   Universal registration.

3:4X   Rep. Schoen is trying to remove the capitol carry bill THAT HE VOTED FOR, both in committee, and on the floor of the House.

3:52   Debating if anti gun amendment is out of order.

3:57   Speaker ruled against the amendment as out of order. Rep. Schoen is trying to override the speaker. Over ride is under vote, everyone required to vote. 81-50 speaker won, amendment dead. "Since we don't want to make it safer for school kids Nash withdraws the amendment" He is referring to the ban on Capitol carry when a single school kid is present.

4:00   Cornish is for an amendment by Rep Wrinkler (R) anti rape amendment, unanimous.

4:05   Hmong community, anti rape and domestic abuse.

4:10   Youth intervention funding.

4:25   Amendment would treat child prostitutes as victims and not perpetrators of crime.

4:55   I have mostly wondered off to other topics... All of the pro gun bills are intact as expected.  Right now they are talking about interest rates and such for insurance and maybe some other legal issues.

5:58   SF878 (Cornish) Omnibus Public Safety and Crime Prevention Finance bill passed 115 to 19.

5:59   SF1458 (Dean) Senate Omnibus Health and Human Services Finance bill, modified to match the HF version.
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GOCRA update:  www.facebook.com/gocra/photos (https://www.facebook.com/gocra/photos/np.1430255689495845.100000114895301/10153784817982542/?type=1&notif_t=notify_me)   Urging us to contact Dayton and tell him to support gun owners and suppressors. Information at the link.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 01, 2015, 01:20:46 AM
We are coming up on the end of the legislative season in MN and things are looking really good for gun owners. This committee is a very small hurdle in the process of gaining gun rights. The only obstacle that we have left is Governor Dayton's veto threat. I really think we will win this.

Below is a post from GOCRA's Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/gocra) page:

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The committee that will hear the suppressor bill (and other pro-2A measures) has been chosen.

The conference committee for SF878, the public safety.judiciary omnibus bill, will be chaired by Sen. Ron Latz, and will include the following members:

House Members:
---------------------
Tony Cornish
Jerry Hertaus
Deb Hilstrom
Brian Johnson
Kathy Lohmer

Senate Members:
---------------------
Ron Latz (Chair)
Bobby Joe Champion
Scott Dibble
Chris Eaton
David Senjem

These members will need to create a compromise bill from the House and Senate versions.

While the bills are very different, the gun rights provisions are almost identical. We don't expect them to be modified significantly by the committee.

We are on the right track: all five House members have supported all of our provisions.

While four of the Senate members have poor records when it comes to Second Amendment rights, they SHOULD have no reason to alter the near-identical provisions.

That means that the biggest obstacle is the governor.

Please CALL the governor's office and RESPECTFULLY ask him to sign the suppressor bill when it gets to his desk:

Telephone: 651-201-3400
Toll Free: 800-657-3717
Minnesota Relay: 800-627-3529

Then, use our free tool to send him a RESPECTFUL email asking him to reconsider his intention to veto a suppressor bill:

Form email Dayton (https://gocra.org/mlggov2.php?issue=shh&src=fbcc?tag=DaytonSuppressors)

Please do it now, then share with your friends!
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 06, 2015, 03:18:04 PM
---  May 6th  ---

The conference committee meets today. I believe they will meet again tomorrow. Hopefully the gun bills stay intact, we are expecting that they will. GOCRA has a few of their leaders there.

www.facebook.com/gocra/photos (https://www.facebook.com/gocra/photos/np.1430936292805947.100000114895301/10153804940512542/?type=1¬if_t=notify_me)   The conference committee will start soon. I will keep this post updated with edits.

~2:00 PM  Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance reports that "An hour and a half in, still reading over the financial differences between the bills."

Quote from: GOCRA @ ~3:20 PM
The conference committee has now reviewed differences in the public safety policy provisions. This is our group of bills.

The House and Senate versions of the gun-related portions are pretty much the same. The were no questions from committee members; we expect that they'll be quickly agreed upon when the committee comes back to them.

7:30 PM  No more updates yet, other than the alternator in my car died. :( At least it wasn't something more expensive.

www.leg.state.mn.us/calandar (http://www.leg.state.mn.us/calendarday.aspx?jday=all)  has .PDF files of comparisons of the House and Senate versions of several bills in the omnibus bill.
SF878 Art. 3 Public Safety side-by-side (PDF) (http://www.senate.mn/conference_committee/2015-2016/0384_Conference_Committee_on_S.F._878/SF878%20Art.%203%20Public%20Safety%20side-by-side.pdf) is the link to our bills.

Anti gun Rep Ron Erhardt (DFL-Edina) is worried that he may have caught bird flu from turkeys, strange as hell video of him on the House floor.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtRxEZ9vqI  He previously threatened to blow the head off of a GOCRA volunteer who called him to ask if he received our survey.

---  May 7th  ---

GOCRA has 3 (I think) people who have camped out room 400s since noon today. Today's meeting starts 15 minutes after the main session ends. There are only 34 seats, and they have all been claimed.

Update from GOCRA: The Senate went long; there will be no conference committee tonight. We'll be back tomorrow to hurry up and wait some more.

Seems like GOCRA camped out for over five hours.

Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 08, 2015, 04:07:01 PM
May 8th

From GOCRA 11:30AM Today's conference committee hearing will start after the House and Senate have both adjourned, so we're monitoring...

Dustin's comment: The opposition hasn't been to any of these meetings, and haven't shown up to most of the legislative process. Only the most important hearings.

GOCRA and MNGOPAC are pushing the "call .gov Dayton" thing hard, and their petition that will be delivered to him. Details on their Facebook page. This might be the last day of the omnibus hearings. The only obstacle left is Dayton's threat to veto.

Edit to add:   According to Latz (anti gun (D) committee chair) They _might_ get to some policy on monday, but they want to get through the budget. No news to report from today's meeting.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 12, 2015, 02:36:06 PM
May 12th

No real progress has been made. The soft deadline for the omnibus bills is Monday 18th of May.

From GOCRA's Facebook page:  
Today's conference committee meeting is canceled. While we don't mind the day off, we'd rather that our public servants get on with it.

The Senate members are holding the policy portions hostage, refusing to vote on them until the budget work is done. This is larger than gun policy, and even larger than public safety issues -- it's a power struggle between the GOP-controlled House and the DFL-controlled Senate.

From the NRA's website:  Minnesota: Your Second Amendment Rights Might be Lost to Political Barter (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150512/minnesota-your-second-amendment-rights-might-be-lost-to-political-barter)  I think they are being a bit dramatic, but it is best to contact our reps anyway.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 16, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
May 16th
We Won! Public Safety Omnibus Bill headed to the two Houses for final vote, and then to the governor's desk.
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ACTION ALERT

The bipartisan gun rights legislation that has passed both houses by a huge majority is being held up in the conference committee over unrelated items.

Please take a few minutes and call Speaker Kurt Daudt (R) and Senate Majority Leader Tom Bakk (DFL) and tell them that your rights aren't up for negotiation - send the bi-partisan pro-gun bills to the Governor for his signature.

Speaker Daudt: 651-296-5364
Senator Bakk: 651-296-8881

From Rob Doar A leader of MNGOPAC, former vice president of GOCRA:  "Please call, email, and share. Trust me, it matters, and is needed right away."

Edit to add: NRA invites legislators and media out to shoot suppressors.
http://www.nranews.com/cam/video/cam-and-company-2015-chris-w-cox-josh-waldron-education-the-key-to-suppressor-success/list/recent-segments

5:50 PM    Finally, it looks like the public safety conference committee is going to meet...after the conference committee on license plate readers. Could be another long night.
We have heard that the stalemate on felon voting has been broken, so we are asking all parties to move quickly to pass the agreed-upon Second Amendment language.

7:30 PM
Quote from: MNGOPAC
Political Director Rob Doar is at the State Capitol for what we hope is the final conference committee hearing for the Omnibus Public Safety Bill that contains the four gun rights provisions that we support.
Keep the pressure up by calling Speaker Kurt Daudt and Senate Majority Leader Tom Bakk - see details below on our Facebook page.

10:50 PM 
Quote from: Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
UPDATE: The public safety omnibus conference committee, which may finally take up our bill tonight, will meet at around 11:30.

But first, we get to wait for SF86 (license plate readers) to be heard in the same room. MN State Representative Dan Schoen is the warmup act, working the crowd, and even threatening to sing a duet with data privacy advocate Rich Neumeister (http://opensecretsmn.blogspot.com/).

It's another wild Saturday night of Second Amendment activism! — with Simon Gottlieb, Danny Schoen and Tony Cornish.

11:15 PM   Andrew Rothman: "The duet never materialized; the 10:30 LPR hearing started promptly at 11:00 PM."

11:20 PM 
Quote from: Minnesota Gun Owners Political Action Committee
YOU DID IT!
The Speaker and Senate Majority Leader heard loud and clear all evening long from PAC supporters that our Second Amendment rights aren't up for negotiation.
The Conference Committee is expected to reconvene later tonight - or tomorrow morning - and pass through the Omnibus Public Safety Bill with all gun rights provisions intact.
We'll provide further updates as the evening (morning?) progresses. MNGOPAC Political Director Rob Doar is at the State Capitol ensuring that the pro-gun provisions stick.

May 17th Committee still going after midnight.

12:30 AM Rob Doar:  "Senator Champion upset that house bill format beat senate ‪#‎mnleg‬ policy and financial omnibus."

12:40 AM Rob Doar:  "Sen. Champion working hard to try and find foul play for policy he lost. ‪#‎mnleg‬"

1:02 AM Rob Doar:   "Going over budget items: TL:DR were spending a metric Crap ton of money on public safety ‪#‎mnleg‬"

1:08 AM Rob Doar:   "Budget items unanimously accepted. Onto policy ‪#‎mnleg‬"

1:15 AM Rob Doar:   "Sen. Champion moving to remove "NRA provisions". ‪#‎mnleg"‬

Vote to remove suppressors from omnibus: ‪#‎mnleg‬
No:
Cornish
Latz
Eaton
Hillstrom
Johnson
Lohmer
Senjem
Yes:
Champion
Dibble

1:20 AM Rob Doar: "We're all done. Public Safety omnibus on way to #mnleg houses for confirmation then on to governor."


Quote from: Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
The conference committee just passed SF878, including ALL of our pro-2A provisions:
The next step will be a brief stop in the House and the Senate, where the bills should pass again with no problem.
Then, it's off to the governor.
Have you emailed him yet?
gocra.mn/DaytonSuppressor
Our bills included in the omnibus are:
* Suppressor Legalization
* Emergency Powers
* Capitol Carry Notification
* Interstate Sales of Long Guns
* Carry Reciprocity
Support the group that supports your rights at gocra.mn/join

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Minnesota Gun Owners Political Action Committee
www.mngopac.org
www.facebook.com/mngopac

Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
www.gocra.org
www.facebook.com/gocra
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 17, 2015, 07:33:59 PM
We won! The omnibus is headed to the governor. Call and email the governor to make sure he signs the bill.

6:20  Some very loud protests in the Capitol building. Illegals want drivers licenses. Not a very clean looking crowd.

6:30  I am at the Capitol senate observation area. Our bill is being discussed, Latz (DFL, very anti-gun) is up.

Latz is stating that there were no trades as to what was passed and not passed in the conference committee. The only things passed were bills that both bodies passed. Many are accusing people of not passing felon voting restoration out of the conference committee, but Latz keeps stating that they didn't because only one body passed that bill. All of the bills that were only passed from one body died, all of the bills that both bodies passed lived.

6:45  Discussing funding for the courts. He supports the bill, thinks it should be voted on even though it doesn't have everything that they want.

7:00  Passed 55-9

7:05  I am in the house gallery now.

7:18  House called to order. Our bill is being reported, re the senates passage.

7:21  Cornish is talking about what did and did not making it out of committee.

7:29  The protests are now so loud that they are drowning out the room's audio of the reps. Hopefully the mics sound better than the ambient noise on tv.

7:30  Former prosecutor talking about felon voting. He is in favor of it.

7:35  Dean is now talking about felon voting. It is gaining support over time in this state. No amendments can happen on bills that have already passed conference committee, he is just giving a speech and running the clock.

7:43  Dean is laying on the race baiting and accusations. Saying that we shouldn't be afraid of minorities. Harping on race and felons and probation. Laying it on thick. It was a good speech before that.

7:46  Moving on to money.

7:48  Several things mentioned, including felon voting in exchange for suppressors and the governor's threat to veto if we got ours and he didn't get his.

8:03  Cornish up, roll call, getting ready for the vote. Cornish is calling out Dean. Dean made requests of the committee and received them, then voted against it. Cornish did well. Said many were asked to vote no because felon voting failed, he is asking for them to vote for the omnibus despite that.

8:06  Roll call passed with only a few no votes.

8:10  Restraints being worn in court by juveniles, a rep wants them to not be worn. Cornish said it was too much of a stretch from were they are now, and that juveniles can pose a large threat.

8:14  Omnibus bill passed. 116 to 15. Recessed.

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Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 18, 2015, 01:39:47 PM
May 18th: This post will document MNGOPAC's (http://www.mngopac.org/) MN Gun Owners Political Action Committee's and GOCRA's (http://www.gocra.org/) Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance's efforts to get Governor Dayton to sign the Public Safety Omnibus Bill (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=senate&f=SF878&ssn=0&y=2015) into law.

MNGOPAC is launching radio adds and an online effort to urge the governor to sign the bill. They are spending money raised in the last few weeks towards the effort.

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Youtube video they made (https://www.youtube.com/embed/MWi1NT1gegI)

www.mngopac.org/petition (http://www.mngopac.org/petition)   Petition urging the governor to sign.

The previously mentioned protesters are back at it today. Here is a picture of the protest in favor of illegal aliens getting drivers licenses.
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Free civics lesson: If the House and Senate are about to adjourn for the year in less than six hours as per the MN constitution, and the transportation bill you are interested in amending has already been through a conference committee, then it is impossible to add your wishes to the final bill.

MNGOPAC is dropping off the signatures from the petition. They have a bit over 3000. The opposition claims to have over 500 (edit: This number has gone up, but our side has chosen to not make it official), many may be from out of state though.

http://americansuppressorassociation.com/blog/ has a post up about MN getting the governor to sign.
Vista Outdoor (http://americansuppressorassociation.com/wp_asa/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Vista-Outdoors-Letter-May-2015.pdf) posted a copy of their letter to the governor. They support it.

10:00 PM  Governor Dayton gives us an update: From Eric Lucero (Wright County, R, very pro gun and freedom, also my rep)
Quote from: Eric's copy of an email from Dayton
***ALERT***
• Minutes ago I received an official email from the "Office of Governor Mark Dayton & Lt. Governor Tina Smith"
• Absolutely no joke, below is the unedited text of the beginning of the email. The title of the email is "Governor Dayton Calls for universal Half-day Pre-K Investment," but text of the email begins by speaking about drinking water! An incoherent email from our Governor...
ST. PAUL, MN – Governor Mark Dayton held a news conference yesterday regarding the need for legislation funding universal half-day pre-Kindergarten this session.
“I'm doing what I believe is the best for Minnesota. Again, this is not about who gets wins and losses – and gets their number one priority or anything else. This is about what's right for Minnesota. This is what's best for people who have got to drink the water. Right now, it's declining in quality all over the state as both the Department of Health and Pollution Control Agency have documented in the last couple weeks.
“This is about four-year-olds and their parents and giving them a better chance in life. And giving kids from disadvantaged backgrounds a chance in life. That's what I'm fighting for. I'm fighting for the kids of Minnesota. I'm fighting for the parents of Minnesota. I'm fighting for the parents of those kids. I'm fighting for the people who need to drink quality water and think they are but will be horribly shocked that they're not. That's what I'm fighting for.

Remember that the Legislature ends for the year at midnight. Only tangentially related, but it might give some hints as to when the governor will sign stuff. Also it is important to know if everything gets done that must get done.

10:30  House passed the .gov funding bill.

10:53  Senate called to order.
10:54  Under call.
10:55  Sgt at Arms is going to drag people in.

11:00  House on the legacy finance bill, Senate doing jobs, energy, finance.
    Senate recessed after the vote for about a half hour.
10:57  Omnibus ag bill going.

11:37  The Senate was recessed for a while but is back. They are rushing, the House is BSing. The Senate is trying to rush through the Economic Dev and Energy bill.

11:47  In the Senate: Net metering might be scaled back. No one has even read the bill, many are complaining about having to vote on a bill without being able to read it.
11:48  Looks like that is happening.

11:56  Senate is breaking down. The speaker just said $#!T. An amendment was flip flopping after the vote was closed and it went from losing by one, to winning by one vote.

11:58  Energy passed barely.
11:59  House went crazy, voice amendment to match senate, nothing but crazy shouting.
11:59  A real vote, landslide approval of the bill.
12:00  Tons of crazy yelling in the House.
12:00  More crazy voice vote BS regarding whether to adjourn. I am surprised they can get away with that.
12:01  Senate still going, passed a bill after midnight.
12:02  Senate adjourned.
12:03  A nice speech about the history of the Senate.
12:16  Speech over, it was good, lots of history. I am guessing unless there is a veto that is it for the House and Senate for the year.

May 19th

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GOCRA and mnguntalk are the subject of a DDoS from Russia. GOCRA seems to have a good theory as to who is behind it.

From Rob Doar Political Director at MNGOPAC: The bills arrived on the governor's desk withing the last few hours. He has until Friday if he wishes to act.

Rob Doar: Dayton presser at 2:00PM Should have some news then.

NPR and the Star Tribune both said he's signing everything except the education bill. We won't know for sure until the press conference, or possibly even the actual signing.

2:12 Education vetoed.
   Press conference has started, education will be vetoed once he gets it. Talking about his reasons. He wants mandatory pre kindergarten, and money for poor people.

2:19 Still on education, mainly pre-K.

2:21 Q&A He claims he hasn't seen the bills yet. Will wait until up to midnight Friday to decide if he will sign or veto.

2:25 Dayton blaming everyone else, especially Republicans for the veto and the special session.

2:40 Rob Doar: Fun Fact: NEITHER the House (GOP controlled) or the Senate (DFL controlled) voted to fund Univ PreK ?#?mnleg? H/T @JimNashMN47A

2:41 Gov Dayton made a joke about the last minute and a half of the House session. He watched it on youtube. Both the House and Senate broke down in the last few minutes. It's kind of good if you are used to watching their boring proceedings.

2:45 gov Dayton: They hate the public schools, the Republican leadership. Because they prove everything they say about the schools is wrong.
He is really going at the Republicans now. Blaming daycare centers for Pre-K failing. He claims the daycare lobby had a part in his plans failure.

2:53  Dayton is attacking superintendents and others for his Pre-K plan failing. Seems no one likes the idea.

2:56  Press conference is ending. He falsely claimed a few times to have not been presented with bills he (or at least his people) have been presented with. I guess we will know by midnight Friday if he signs or vetoes. Firearms did not get a mention.
http://video.startribune.com/livestream-gov-dayton-news-conference-on-2015-session-2-p-m/175907151/ link to conference.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 20, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
May 20th:

GOCRA wants people to call and write the governor daily until the governor makes a decision. gocra.mn/sign878 (http://gocra.mn/sign878) The governor says he will make his decision Friday, possibly Friday night.

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I doubt much will happen today or tomorrow. Most of the people pushing for this are celebrating early. Many are forming trusts and getting ready to submit their forms.

I emailed TTAG early Tuesday morning with some info, they are going to make a post about the MN gun rights fight this evening.

Update 8:00 PM: TTAG posted my email. I thought they would just read it for ideas but instead they posted most of it as written. The whole world has a link to this thread now.
Link to TTAG article:  Will Minnesota’s Governor Shut Down the Government Over Silencers? (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/05/daniel-zimmerman/359929)

Updated Thursday morning: As it turns out Dayton was only officially presented with the bill Wednesday the 20th. He has until Saturday to sign, veto, or let it become law without him. I am not sure why it took the bill that long to be "officially" presented to him.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: Scout26 on May 20, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
So just to clarify, the governor is only threatening to veto an education bill and it would appear that your public safety bill will be signed (or at least not vetoed).

Is that correct?
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 20, 2015, 06:24:07 PM
He more or less has vetoed the education bill, not sure if he literally put pen to paper on it yet or not though.

He is only threatening for now to veto our bill, but he has been waffling. The removal of suppressor CLEO shall sign, and the addition of the two anti gun-crime provisions were mentioned as positives by Dayton, as well as other provisions in the bill that he likes.

May 21 Thursday

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F rated Ryan Winkler (D) Author of gun control legislation resigns so that he can move with his wife to Germany. The look on Dayton's face is priceless.
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I found the list of bills waiting to be signed. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/?view=session&year=2015&type=0

Chapter 63 HF1725  May 20, 2015   Electronic filing for hearings in contested cases at the Office of Administrative Hearings permitted.
Chapter 64 HF1257  May 20, 2015   Responsible contractor law provisions changed.
Chapter 65 SF878    May 20, 2015   Our bill
Education is chapter 72. Presented Wednesday the 20th. The bills can be signed or vetoed in any order.

So nothing controversial in between him and our bill, the fun starts after ours is dealt with. Our bill will be signed/vetoed as soon as he starts dealing with bills again.

Dayton has officially vetoed the education bill. No action taken on any other bills today.
From www.startribune.com/dayton-follows-through-on-veto-threat-rejecting-education-budget-bill (http://www.startribune.com/dayton-follows-through-on-veto-threat-rejecting-education-budget-bill/304629961/)
Dayton will meet with House GOP leadership on Tuesday to begin negotiations over the pending special session. The DFL governor said Wednesday that the scope of the special session will be narrow, and he hasn't yet indicated whether he might veto other budget bills that he is reviewing.

From http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/politics/3750368-promised-dayton-vetoes-17-billion-minnesota-education-funding-bill
The governor made no decisions on the other budget bills on his desk. Some interest groups have urged him to veto the agriculture and environment budget. Dayton has until Saturday to sign or veto the budget bills, or let them become law without his signature.
Title: Re: Minnesota Gun Activism 2015
Post by: DustinD on May 22, 2015, 11:02:51 AM
May 22 Friday    We Won!!  He signed the bill into law!

6:00 AM  "The governor is still weighing possible vetoes on other segments of the state's budget. He has until Saturday to make up his mind."
   http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/05/22/dayton-vetoes-education-bill

11:25 AM  We Won!! Dayton signed the bill!!

Suppressors will be legal July 1st.

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Mitch Berg (Shot in the Dark blog, and Liberty Radio): "Success has 1000 fathers. Heather is an orphan." Referring to Heather Martens, the leader of ProtectMN.


Overheard on Facebook:
Rob Doar (Political Director at MNGOPAC):  We wouldn't have gotten anything without the NRA.
Mitch Berg: Rob – I assume you're being on the level, and not sarcastic – but was their assistance seriously that important?
Bryan Strawser: Yes.
Rob Doar: Absolutely. Without Tom Bakk's relationship with the NRA, there would have been no action on the pro gun bills in the senate.


Good news: The ban on possession of suppressors in Minnesota ends on July 1, not August 1.

(Gory details: most laws take effect August 1, unless otherwise specified in the law, but appropriations bills take effect July 1 unless otherwise specified.)

Here are all of the effective dates:

July 1:
Suppressor ban ends
Capitol carry notification rules change
Carry permit recognition standards change*

August 1:
Emergency Powers provision takes effect
Ban on hunting with suppressors ends

1:00 AM I just got back from the victory celebration. On the agenda for next year is constitutional carry, and the Saturday Night Special Law. That's actually what the law calls it. I don't normally play the race card... but that's racist.