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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on September 16, 2015, 09:26:54 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/16/texas-14-year-old-arrested-for-bringing-homemade-clock-to-school-after-teacher/?intcmp=hplnws
Shop/Engineering teacher warned the kid, English teacher and rest of school admin as well as the police go off the deep end.
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Muslim trolling for outrage. This was done on purpose, I am sure.
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Let me be the first to say:
(http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=839384)
And SOOOO Much fail on the schools part. and the cops.
"It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car," Irving police spokesman James McLellan told the News.
OK, Sherlock. Was it left in any of those places? No. It was in the builder's possession.
"The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?" McClellan admitted that Mohamed has always maintained the device was a clock and officers have no reason to believe the contraption is dangerous.
It was built because it's a good project for a 89th grader that wants to build things? and has an Engineering teacher? Or is that too simple?
What *expletive deleted*ing useless public servants employees we have. Take it from someone that has been through several IED classes. Bombs don't look like clocks with wires. They look like pretty much ANYTHING else. How did we become so pussified as a country?
That said, I do like the Engineering Teachers (alleged) response:
"He was like, 'That’s really nice,'" Mohamed told the paper. "'I would advise you not to show any other teachers.'"
Optional subtext: "Because my coworkers are simpering cowards and morons."
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Muslim trolling for outrage. This was done on purpose, I am sure.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=build+a+digital+clock+kit
or this is a pretty standard beginner project for kids wanting to learn electronics.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=build+a+digital+clock+kit
or this is a pretty standard beginner project for kids wanting to learn electronics.
Of course it is an easy starter project. However, a 14 year old (especially one crafting electronics) is aware enough to know exactly what his shop teacher warned him. He was doing this for the outrage that CAIR is dutifully supplying.
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Here's some key quotes:
“Here in high school, none of the teachers know what I can do,” Ahmed said, fiddling with a cable while a soldering iron dangled from the shelf behind him.
He loved robotics club in middle school and was searching for a similar niche in his first few weeks of high school.
So he decided to do what he’s always done: He built something.
Ahmed’s clock was hardly his most elaborate creation. He said he threw it together in about 20 minutes before bedtime on Sunday: a circuit board and power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front.
He showed it to his engineering teacher first thing Monday morning and didn’t get quite the reaction he’d hoped for.
“He was like, ‘That’s really nice,’” Ahmed said. “‘I would advise you not to show any other teachers.’”
So he built something very cheap and easy to "prove what he could do" to the teachers.
I'm sticking with my troll assessment.
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Here's some key quotes:
So he built something very cheap and easy to "prove what he could do" to the teachers.
I'm sticking with my troll assessment.
That the father was getting public attention for debating the Koran-burning pastor in Florida when they lived there, and that the mayor of the current town where this takes place has been in the news for some kind of anti-Islamic positions, anti-Sharia or whatever... my smell-o-meter is starting to wiggle on the coincidence scale.
That said, the school and the police were phenomenally stupid for falling for it, just as much as if it actually is the case of the "poor little muslim electronics prodigy"-boy.
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Here's the first one I found, looking for a build-a-clock kit:
(http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/zoom/hshg_wooden_mechanical_clock.gif)
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What *expletive deleted*ing useless public servants employees we have. Take it from someone that has been through several IED classes. Bombs don't look like clocks with wires. They look like pretty much ANYTHING else.
Note to self; if I ever need to build a bomb to slip past the experts, make it look like a clock with wires.
Of course, the first question any of the "adults" should have asked themselves is "Is there any part of this that's big enough to be a meaningful explosive, and not readily identifiable as a common non-explosive device?" The only thing that comes to mind in a typical clock build is the AA batteries, and those are a familiar enough object that making a passable TNT-filled replica is likely beyond the ability of an 8th grader. Now, maybe if he assembled it all with a pound of Blu-Tack, I could see thinking it's a bomb, but there's no mention of any odd parts in the story.
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Muslim trolling for outrage. This was done on purpose, I am sure.
Yep. MOMIN and affiliated jokers have been hot & heavy locally. These were the folks who held the tribute to Ayatollah Khomeini a few years back.
There are beau coup muzzies locally and they get treated with kid gloves by all the gov't bureauweenies, especially the school districts.
Jihadijoker was counting on an Ed School graduate not having the electronics understanding to be able to discern between a cheesy electronics project and an OMGBOMB.
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I am sincerely hoping this is just an example of stupid security theater, combined with stupid school administrators. If the kid was used or encouraged to play into a publicity stunt, I really feel for him. What would be worse, the realization that adults are incredibly stupid and hostile, or that your parents care more about a political agenda than you?
Kid gets "innocent until proven guilty" in my eyes. Yes, it smells a bit. But hell, I was a kid during Columbine. Don't underestimate the power of Derp in education today.
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I think what is more upsetting is this happened in Texas, even if it was Irving.
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I guess a boy being arrested for building a clock is more important to the President than two UNITED STATES Service Members and an UNITED STATES civilian stopping a terrorist attack in France.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/president-obama-tweets-to-muslim-boy-arrested-for-bringing-homemade/article_24da7f6c-fae5-560b-a366-47c7873beb69.html
President Barack Obama has invited a 14-year-old Muslim student to the White House after the teen was detained by police for taking a homemade clock to school that teachers thought looked like a bomb.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I guess a boy being arrested for building a clock is more important to the President than two UNITED STATES Service Members and an UNITED STATES civilian stopping a terrorist attack in France.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/president-obama-tweets-to-muslim-boy-arrested-for-bringing-homemade/article_24da7f6c-fae5-560b-a366-47c7873beb69.html
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Yes, it is more important to this president. And?
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http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/relationships-and-special-occasions/parenting/aisha-sultan/a-clock-is-not-a-bomb-and-texas-institution-that/article_1668bed2-a1f1-511a-8a06-09320ee8a22a.html
A clock is not a bomb. An institution that shuts down learning is not a school.
I could take the Post-Disgrace more seriously on this if there was any mention of the similarity to the great Pop-Tart gun scare of '13. (Which makes Clockmania look quite judicious, by comparison.)
And if I didn't suspect them of just taking the brown guy's side.
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I could take the Post-Disgrace more seriously on this if there was any mention of the similarity to the great Pop-Tart gun scare of '13. (Which makes Clockmania look quite judicious, by comparison.)
Don't forget the Mooninites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare
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I finally found a pic of the suspicious device (most news reports seem to be avoiding showing the picture)
(http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20150916-0916ahmedclock.jpg.ece/BINARY/0916ahmedclock)
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Well, that clearly is a doomsday device that only Dr. Strangelove could understand. Shame on the police for not pinning him down on the floor and shooting him seven times in the head. Oh, wait, that's reserved for Brazilians who dare run through
the subway, pardon me, the underground in London...
Just how stupid do people get in the name of "security" :facepalm:
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News reports say the school suspended him for 3 days.
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Muslim trolling for outrage. This was done on purpose, I am sure.
I doubt that. Research the kids dad. He's not typical of what we expect
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Well, that clearly is a doomsday device that only Dr. Strangelove could understand. Shame on the police for not pinning him down on the floor and shooting him seven times in the head. Oh, wait, that's reserved for Brazilians who dare run through the subway, pardon me, the underground in London...
Just how stupid do people get in the name of "security" :facepalm:
On the other hand, it doesn't look like any clock I've ever seen.
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I'm kinda surprised by the reactions of some in this thread.
If this was a white kid getting suspended for making gun-shaped legos, would the reaction be the same?
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On the other hand, it doesn't look like any clock I've ever seen.
It doesn't? I see a huge(unpowered) LCD/LED number screen of the traditional 88:88 sort, a control board for it, a 9V plug for power, a buzzer(for the alarm), and a board that probably has the chips for the timing and deciding which LCD spots to activate.
What I don't see: Any blocks that could be explosives.
As for comparing this for importance to the president for the incident in France. Consider that he has official channels to congratulate service members that will mean a lot more to them, and their careers, than twitter.
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It doesn't? I see a huge(unpowered) LCD/LED number screen of the traditional 88:88 sort, a control board for it, a 9V plug for power, a buzzer(for the alarm), and a board that probably has the chips for the timing and deciding which LCD spots to activate.
What I don't see: Any blocks that could be explosives.
As for comparing this for importance to the president for the incident in France. Consider that he has official channels to congratulate service members that will mean a lot more to them, and their careers, than twitter.
Official channels like, for example, a two-rank meritorious promotion
As to the comment above about his teacher "warning him" etc.
Isn't this the same crowd of people who claim that "assault weapons" bans are based on looks, rather than capability, and are idiotic as a result.
In a free society, a couple of teachers thinking that a non-bomb is a bomb shouldn't result in suspension, arrest, or anything else. I thought we were against "zero tolerance" garbage?
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I'm kinda surprised by the reactions of some in this thread.
If this was a white kid getting suspended for making gun-shaped legos, would the reaction be the same?
Salient point for me is the father, and how quickly CAIR jumped in.
Otherwise I'd agree with you.
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It doesn't? I see a huge(unpowered) LCD/LED number screen of the traditional 88:88 sort, a control board for it, a 9V plug for power, a buzzer(for the alarm), and a board that probably has the chips for the timing and deciding which LCD spots to activate.
What I don't see: Any blocks that could be explosives.
No, it doesn't. There's no need to be silly about this. About .0001 percent of humans are going to look at that and think, "Oh, that's a clock." Just like .0001 percent of humans had ever seen a Moonite, in the aforementioned incident.
But no, we must judge everything according to our hindsight, and history of Radio Shack projects, viewing habits, etc. That only makes sense, right?
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I'm kinda surprised by the reactions of some in this thread.
If this was a white kid getting suspended for making gun-shaped legos, would the reaction be the same?
I guess if the guy was making bomb-shaped Legos, you might have a point.
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I'm kinda surprised by the reactions of some in this thread.
If this was a white kid getting suspended for making gun-shaped legos, would the reaction be the same?
Part of the problem of the "zero tolerance" and no discretion policies. Back when my father was a school principal, he had a drawer where he kept contraband like pocket knives that were confiscated. No cops, punishment based on what the kid actually did, not the possession, and he would giventhe knives to any parents willing to come pick the item/knife up. Always surprised me how many knives he would have in the drawer at the end of the school year because of parents who would refuse to claim the knife because the kid was too dumb to take/misuse the knife at school and part of the parental punishment was loss of the knife.
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No, it doesn't. There's no need to be silly about this. About .0001 percent of humans are going to look at that and think, "Oh, that's a clock." Just like .0001 percent of humans had ever seen a Moonite, in the aforementioned incident.
But no, we must judge everything according to our hindsight, and history of Radio Shack projects, viewing habits, etc. That only makes sense, right?
They'll look at it and think, "What is that?"
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Part of the problem of the "zero tolerance" and no discretion policies. Back when my father was a school principal, he had a drawer where he kept contraband like pocket knives that were confiscated. No cops, punishment based on what the kid actually did, not the possession, and he would giventhe knives to any parents willing to come pick the item/knife up. Always surprised me how many knives he would have in the drawer at the end of the school year because of parents who would refuse to claim the knife because the kid was too dumb to take/misuse the knife at school and part of the parental punishment was loss of the knife.
Bingo. Just ranted on facebook about it.
Kid's can't point their fingers and say "bang" anymore. They can't bring toy guns that are obviously not real. They can't play cowboys and indians anymore.
School administrators don't think. Every kid with a little home made clock is a *expletive deleted*ing school shooter. That's how they think.
Get in line, eat your soylent green free school lunch, pass the yearly testing, go to college, get 50,000$ in student loans, become a Women's Transgendered Otherkin Studies major. That's all they ask.
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Official channels like, for example, a two-rank meritorious promotion
He has that power. But I think that's a bit much. Something around a Bronze or Silver Star, for example, though it might take some creative reading of the rules to award them that, due to 'in connection with military operations'. Thus it might need to be the Airman's medal, or equivalent. While I certainly applaud them, I think the Medal of Honor is a bit much in this case.
Add one rank, maybe. Worst case, the medals I'm listing are a huge promotion factor, giving the individual the equivalent of around a year up on everybody else for promotions.
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Bingo. Just ranted on facebook about it.
Kid's can't point their fingers and say "bang" anymore. They can't bring toy guns that are obviously not real. They can't play cowboys and indians anymore.
School administrators don't think. Every kid with a little home made clock is a *expletive deleted*ing school shooter. That's how they think.
Get in line, eat your soylent green free school lunch, pass the yearly testing, go to college, get 50,000$ in student loans, become a Women's Transgendered Otherkin Studies major. That's all they ask.
The alternative is that the "adults" have to think, and exercise judgment and discretion. With more adults acting like, or wanting to act, like children, the zero tolerance rules seem to exist as much for them as the biological juveniles. Another consequence of the "nerf-from-birth" nanny state.
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Salient point for me is the father, and how quickly CAIR jumped in.
Otherwise I'd agree with you.
Not really relevant. They had control over their trolling. School system, etc had control over their reaction. No stupid reaction = trolling failed.
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He has that power. But I think that's a bit much. Something around a Bronze or Silver Star, for example, though it might take some creative reading of the rules to award them that, due to 'in connection with military operations'. Thus it might need to be the Airman's medal, or equivalent. While I certainly applaud them, I think the Medal of Honor is a bit much in this case.
Add one rank, maybe. Worst case, the medals I'm listing are a huge promotion factor, giving the individual the equivalent of around a year up on everybody else for promotions.
Sorry, you misunderstand me.
Dude is being promoted from his current rank of E-3, to E-5. I read it this morning. I posted that example, because it's happening. Those dudes ARE being rewarded, through official channels.
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I'm rather irked that most of the pictures have the LED display flipped down to make it that much more confusing. And if there was any actual confusion, you'd think they would just give a ring to the engineering teacher.
If the teacher who reported it truly thought it was a bomb, I'd think she wouldn't have left it in her desk till the end of the period.
It is punishment for 'well, it could look like a bomb,' rather like treating clothes or necklaces that have the imagery of a weapon as a weapon.
I think it is the regular old idiocy, not any special racist bent. Still to be railed against. American culture has thrived with the attitude that what is not forbidden is acceptable and schools in the last 15 years have switched to the opposite; all not dictated is forbidden. Better not to take action that is not explicitly instructed, better not to think and problem solve independently, ect ect, rant rant.
Kudos to the kid for getting to the White House. It reminds me of a friend of mine, engaged to a Sandyhook shooting victim. He was flown around on Airforce One ect, and good for him getting the opportunity, but those doing the invite and arranging are just doing it for publicity and points, not any real sympathy or mutual goals. Never let a tragedy go to waste. :mad:
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If the teacher who reported it truly thought it was a bomb, I'd think she wouldn't have left it in her desk till the end of the period.
It is punishment for 'well, it could look like a bomb,' rather like treating clothes or necklaces that have the imagery of a weapon as a weapon.
I think it is the regular old idiocy, not any special racist bent.
Probably true. Also, Islam is not a race. It's fascinating how the Left gets away with portraying Muslims as if they were all one race of people, apparently genetically condemned to follow a particular religion.
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If it looked that much like a bomb they would not have waited till end of day to jack him up. And his father is not your typical muslim
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If it looked that much like a bomb they would not have waited till end of day to jack him up. And his father is not your typical muslim
I'm sure you're aware that your constant hint-dropping annoys folks. Is that intentional?
About papa Mohammed, are you talking about the Koran-burning thing, or what?
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No more about his definition of islam. I read part of one of his books. Interesting read.
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No more about his definition of islam. I read part of one of his books. Interesting read.
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Interesting how, please? Bomb-thrower? Moderate? fistful had his moment of correctness today. You followed a cryptic statement with...a cryptic statement. Please be more generous with the context and detail when you post. You often have interesting things to say, but drawing it out of you can be like getting the last bit of toothpaste out of the tube.
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He's more moderate. I guess I like him cause his view of islam aligns withine. That we are all "people of the book" and should respect one another
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Apologies for the source but it was first one I will see if I can dig up book
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan
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Here's a quote from dad that is probably mellower than I would be
Ahmed’s father, Mohamed El Hassan, 54, was at turns humble, emotional, grateful and patriotic, making it a point to mention they lived in their house for more than 30 years and that his son had fixed his car, his phone, his electricity and his computer and had built, in true all-American fashion, a go-kart. “That is not America,” he said of Ahmed’s detainment. “That is not us. That is not like us.”
Link to longer article
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/father-muslim-kid-arrested-clock-standout-citizen-article-1.2363466
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He's more moderate. I guess I like him cause his view of islam aligns withine. That we are all "people of the book" and should respect one another
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Thank you, very much. (The comma is included deliberately for sincere emphasis.) =)
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Apparently our fearless leader tweeted this:
"Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great."
I wonder if that was before or after they locked down the white house because of an unattended package?
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More context:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2015/09/15/irving-isd-student-detained-for-device-resembling-bomb/72339246/
According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise.
Ahmed told WFAA that his English teacher confiscated his case. A few hours later, the student said the principal and school resource officer pulled him out of class and questioned the high school freshman.
Officers said Ahmed was being "passive aggressive" in his answers to their questions, and didn't have a "reasonable answer" as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with.
"We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school," said James McLellan, Irving Police.
Emphasis mine.
He wanted the clock found. He was calling attention to it. It was perfectly right to arrest him for a hoax bomb, because that's exactly what he was doing with it: trying to create a story about "(white!) Teachers think the Muslim kid is a bomber."
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Where's the fake explosives? Or anything that looks anything like a detonator, whatever a detonator looks like?
Kid takes apart a cheap digital clock and says he "invented" it. That sounds to me like something stupid that a smart 9th grader would do. (I've been there) It may or may not be more sinister than that.
The teacher says she thinks it's a bomb, but confiscates it and keeps it in or on her desk. The principal says he thinks it's a bomb, but doesn't evacuate the school. The police think it's a bomb, but they don't call the bomb squad. They are all lying. I don't know what the motive was. If they were just playing along with the fake bomb to teach the kid a lesson, they took it way too far.
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"Passive aggressive"?
Why'd ya make the clock, kid?
Because I could
What were you planning to do with the clock, kid?
Tell what time it was
Are you trying to get cute with me, kid?
Nah, I'm pretty ordinary looking. I think I'll stay that way.
At least he did not go tell the principal and the cop(s) what they could do in fine Anglo-Saxon terms.
And I'm still waiting for someone to bring up the violation of the kid's right to have his parent(s) immediately notified and to have them present before any questioning takes place.
stay safe.
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. . . What I don't see: Any blocks that could be explosives . . .
My thoughts exactly.
By the standard applied here, anyone with a cell phone should be disciplined, because terrorists have used cell phones to remotely trigger IED . . .
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I am not exactly sympathetic to school administrators, but in this case the totality of the circumstances lead me to give them the benefit of the doubt and the gimlet eye to JihadiBombHoaxer.
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Have you seen the device?
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Have you seen the device?
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I finally found a pic of the suspicious device (most news reports seem to be avoiding showing the picture)
(http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20150916-0916ahmedclock.jpg.ece/BINARY/0916ahmedclock)
Yes. Provided that is an accurate picture.
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Pay attention to scale.
That is a pencil case, not a briefcase (as some stories have said)
It does not look like a bomb, and (no offense) if someone thinks it does, they don't know enough about bombs to make that call.
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Pay attention to scale.
That is a pencil case, not a briefcase (as some stories have said)
It does not look like a bomb, and (no offense) if someone thinks it does, they don't know enough about bombs to make that call.
As we read in the OP, it does not look like a bomb to a those with some electronics / technical background. But someone without any electronics background might get spooked. Jihadibombhoaxboy knew this. I bet he knew it as he was hacking it together. He most certainly knew it after his technically minded teacher warned him of that very problem. Given his reaction to the very simple and direct questions, I doubt this was a "problem" and more a "feature."
Heck, I don't even think his English teacher thought it was a real bomb, merely a hoax. Same with the school administration. If you lived around here, you would know that Muslims in the public schools are given kid glove and preferential treatment. And that is what Jihadibombhoaxboy got. They didn't drag him out of class and arrest him RFN, and send him to Lou Sterritt like they would some of the usual miscreants. They waited and thought over it a bit and dotted all the Is and crossed all the Ts. They brought in the local PD to get at the heart of the matter and to provide serious CYA if it blew up (metaphorically).
Irving ISD is not Dallas ISD (staffed with buffoons in administration). You can bet dollars to donuts that the Irving admin was exceptionally careful to follow policy and took exquisite care. Same-same with Irving PD vs Dallas PD. Any lawsuit will go nowhere, as will any administrative investigation because of that. There may be extra-legal and extra-administrative political repercussions, of course.
“Clearly, there were disassembled clock parts in there, but he offered no more explanation than that,” McLellan said. “A lot of these details that the family and he have provided to you were not shared with us yesterday. He was very much less than forthcoming.”
Jihadidbombhoax boy got what he was looking for.
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But someone without any electronics background might get spooked.
Nope; it wasn't my electronics background that told me about it. It was the simple and fairly common knowledge that any substance explosive enough to do serious damage in quantities smaller than, say, 100 grams would be pretty famous, and quite carefully regulated. There's nothing in there other than possibly the transformer and whatever that little mesh bag not connected to anything is that could possibly hold enough of some homebrew explosive to do more than hurt a few people's eardrums.
Plus, as has been said many times, if they were really even remotely spooked, the first step even an imbecile should be able to figure out is to get either it or the kids out of the classroom immediately.
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Nope; it wasn't my electronics background that told me about it. It was the simple and fairly common knowledge that any substance explosive enough to do serious damage in quantities smaller than, say, 100 grams would be pretty famous, and quite carefully regulated. There's nothing in there other than possibly the transformer and whatever that little mesh bag not connected to anything is that could possibly hold enough of some homebrew explosive to do more than hurt a few people's eardrums.
Plus, as has been said many times, if they were really even remotely spooked, the first step even an imbecile should be able to figure out is to get either it or the kids out of the classroom immediately.
If you'll note, he wasn't arrested for having a bomb. He was arrested for a hoax bomb.
I think that's perfectly legitimate, as it looks like his aim was to be able to claim they thought he was a bomber. And you're buying it.
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Meh, sounds like a typical zero tolerance retarded over reaction.
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And I'm still waiting for someone to bring up the violation of the kid's right to have his parent(s) immediately notified and to have them present before any questioning takes place.
This right here.
Someone is about to get their ass handed to them.
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I have a little box exactly like that I got at Walmart. I keep it with my gun bag that I take to the range. It has some gun cleaning tools, bore light, and my collection of little allen wrenches that come in handy all the time.
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This right here.
Someone is about to get their ass handed to them.
It gets worse. His picture was taken in the principal's office, with a cop in the background, and then splashed all over the newspapers and TV. That's a violation of the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g Even allowing a reporter in the school to take that picture violates FERPA.
"Miranda goes to school: The need to safeguard students' 5th Amendment rights in school-based interrogations."
http://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/centers/childlaw/childed/pdfs/2012studentpapers/stewart_knittle.pdf
The kid may be a [deleted]it and his father may be one too, but there's a good chance they are going to be rich [deleted]its.
stay safe.
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Folks here there and everywhere are pretty quick to throw his rights out the window because he's a Muslim
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Folks here there and everywhere are pretty quick to throw his rights out the window because he's a Muslim
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Bull. Were he common white trash a black thug or dime a dozen mexican he would have been dealt with much more swiftly and found himself locked up with the other delinquents faster than you can say "lawfare." Jihadibombhoaxer got preferential treatment at every point in the process down to not spending a minute in jail beyond being processed. Your average school age ghetto rat troublemaker wouod still be cooling off or before a judge.
The local muslims have made lawfare nusiances of themselves and the local bureaucritters take that into account in their dealings with them.
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Folks here, there, and everywhere are pretty quick to throw anybody's rights out the window because Muslim or guns or college rape or weather or refugees or access to the internet or feminaziism or microaggression or ....
stay safe.
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If you'll note, he wasn't arrested for having a bomb. He was arrested for a hoax bomb.
I think that's perfectly legitimate, as it looks like his aim was to be able to claim they thought he was a bomber. And you're buying it.
Except for the whole part where he didn't say anything even resembling, "Hey, look at this bomb I made!" He went to his teacher and said, "Hey, look at this clock I put together! Isn't it neat?"
And they obviously *DIDN'T* "think he was a bomber", based on their not isolating the kids from the "suspected bomb" in question for HOURS. There was no evacuation, the bomb squad was not called. They KNEW it wasn't a bomb, and they further had no legitimate reason to suspect he was trying to pass off a pencil-case-enclosed (what was that case, about 6" x 8", based on the size of the clock's plug behind it?) homebuilt AC-powered LED clock as a terror weapon - other than the fact that his name was Ahmed Mohamed, of course ;/.
From the CNN article: "Irving Police spokesman Officer James McLellan told the station, "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only tell us that it was a clock.""
Because when you make a working clock out of spare parts, and someone asks you what it is, apparently you're supposed to tell them something else. :facepalm:
Add to that the numerous errors and violations of the kid's rights as a minor during the arrest and questioning without a parent or lawyer present? Irving's PD and ISD are going to be doing well not to have to completely pay for Ahmed's higher education, as opposed to simply contributing to it.
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Couple thoughts. Schools are built for mass production. Weird or intelligent kids don't always handle it well. *raises hand*
That said, kids are kids, and should be given some leeway. This doesn't mesh well with zero tolerance (ie zero intelligence) policies. Bad apples drive out the good apples in administration. Hence you have kids being arrested for butterknives or aspirin, let alone electronics projects.
If they thought it was a bomb, they should have evacuated the school. If they did honestly think it was a bomb and didn't evac the kids, they need to be fired. If they didn't think it was a bomb, it should have been handled differently. I get that an allegedly known "hoax bomb" probably should still go to the cops. School still should have handled better.
The cops screwed up by not calling the parents, someone screwed up by taking and immediately leaking photos of the kid. Ayep, after the lawsuit, his schooling is paid off.
I'm not sure how much of this is because of the dude's religion or race, and how much of it is just bad procedures.
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Couple thoughts. Schools are built for mass production. Weird or intelligent kids don't always handle it well. *raises hand*
That said, kids are kids, and should be given some leeway. This doesn't mesh well with zero tolerance (ie zero intelligence) policies. Bad apples drive out the good apples in administration. Hence you have kids being arrested for butterknives or aspirin, let alone electronics projects.
If they thought it was a bomb, they should have evacuated the school. If they did honestly think it was a bomb and didn't evac the kids, they need to be fired. If they didn't think it was a bomb, it should have been handled differently. I get that an allegedly known "hoax bomb" probably should still go to the cops. School still should have handled better.
The cops screwed up by not calling the parents, someone screwed up by taking and immediately leaking photos of the kid. Ayep, after the lawsuit, his schooling is paid off.
I'm not sure how much of this is because of the dude's religion or race, and how much of it is just bad procedures.
Oh but in 'Murica we assume ill intent over incompetence these days.
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If it wasn't for all the zero tolerance about guns (drawings/fingers etc.) the official "Muslim bad" narrative would hold more water.
A left wing constituent hoisted on a left wing PC zero tolerance bureaucratic petard.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ahmed-mohamed-beth-van-duyne-sharia
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If it wasn't for all the zero tolerance about guns (drawings/fingers etc.) the official "Muslim bad" narrative would hold more water.
A left wing constituent hoisted on a left wing PC zero tolerance bureaucratic petard.
You see this Kid or his family is being left wing ? How so?
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Well the Muslim community isn't a right wing constituency.
As far as the kid and his father this has less do to with them as it does left wing PC bureaucracy, just like finger and Lego guns and all that nonsense.
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A very wise perspective (because he agrees with me!):
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
Little Ahmed is lying about "inventing" the clock, according to this source.
I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!)
He took apart a clock, popped it in a mini-briefcase and took it to school to "show it off".
He was rightly arrested for a hoax bomb, and the naysayers are aiding CAIR in making the next teachers think twice about suspecting little Ahmed/Mohammed/Abdul/Aziz of building a bomb.
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You see this Kid or his family is being left wing ? How so?
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He's saying that Muslims, especially those of Middle-Eastern descent, are a group that the Left sees as part of their constituency, along with many other ethnic and religious minority groups. (Obviously, Christians are not among the religious minorities to which they cater.)
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A very wise perspective (because he agrees with me!):
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
Little Ahmed is lying about "inventing" the clock, according to this source.
He took apart a clock, popped it in a mini-briefcase and took it to school to "show it off".
He was rightly arrested for a hoax bomb, and the naysayers are aiding CAIR in making the next teachers think twice about suspecting little Ahmed/Mohammed/Abdul/Aziz of building a bomb.
Oh ffs, we don't have our panties in a twist Nd we're aiding and abetting terrorists now? That's beyond ridiculous.
The thing looked nothing like a bomb, no one thought it was a bomb, and he told everyone it was not a bomb. In what world is that a "bomb hoax?"
This is a good example of selective outrage. APS is all about decrying stupid zero tolerance school anti weapon policies unless they don't like the victim of them.
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Oh ffs, we don't have our panties in a twist Nd we're aiding and abetting terrorists now? That's beyond ridiculous.
The thing looked nothing like a bomb, no one thought it was a bomb, and he told everyone it was not a bomb. In what world is that a "bomb hoax?"
This is a good example of selective outrage. APS is all about decrying stupid zero tolerance school anti weapon policies unless they don't like the victim of them.
He made something that looks like a bomb and obviously everyone thought it looked like a bomb, while not actually being a bomb, including the young Mr. Mohamed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE&t=1m28s
"I closed it with a cable so it wouldn't look suspicious."
Really? There was something about your clock that made you think it might raise suspicions?
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Again, his story doesn't pass the sniff test.
Why did his "clock" beep and get the other teacher's attention? Look at the picture- it has no internal power supply. The only way it could beep is if he takes actions to call attention to his little hoax bomb. He wanted it found and he wanted this confrontation.
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Why did his "clock" beep and get the other teacher's attention? Look at the picture- it has no internal power supply.
The blue bit is a 9v battery connector. I've had a few plug-in clocks with 9V backup that would beep from time to time when the AC went out.
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This is a good example of selective outrage. APS is all about decrying stupid zero tolerance school anti weapon policies unless they don't like the victim of them.
There is so much out there that is outrageous (even in this one story), you have to be selective. One way I manage it is asking "who is the actual adult in this story?" I cut little Mohammed here a lot of slack (although his usage of "invention" and "homemade" really grate on me) because he's a stupid kid. He's SUPPOSED to be immature.
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Oh ffs, we don't have our panties in a twist Nd we're aiding and abetting terrorists now? That's beyond ridiculous.
The thing looked nothing like a bomb, no one thought it was a bomb, and he told everyone it was not a bomb. In what world is that a "bomb hoax?"
This is a good example of selective outrage. APS is all about decrying stupid zero tolerance school anti weapon policies unless they don't like the victim of them.
I didn't say it that way, but, yes you are. Just like the "Hands up, Don't Shoot" people pushed a false narrative that encourages cops to hesitate before shooting an actual threat.
If it makes you feel better, I don't think you're willingly doing so, just that you are useful to the terrorists.
Incidentally, if Alistair Dewayne Ivanovich Sitting Bull Abramson-O'Neill had the same device and story as little Ahmed, I'd be saying the same thing on the response of the people involved. (I'd guess he had different motives than Ahmed, but the same immediate goal: wanting to garner attention with his hoax).
If a kid shows up at school with this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html, you'd find that I'm perfectly fine with the kid getting the same treatment, too.
If the above kid told everyone he saw that it's not a real gun, is that going to matter to his punishment?
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The blue bit is a 9v battery connector. I've had a few plug-in clocks with 9V backup that would beep from time to time when the AC went out.
It has the connector, but no battery. Perhaps he had it when it was in school (I read he plugged it in, though), but if that is the case, then he changed its appearance before it was photographed.
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This is a good example of selective outrage. APS is all about decrying stupid zero tolerance school anti weapon policies unless they don't like the victim of them.
It may encourage you to know:
Out of about 22 participants in this thread, we have about ten that agree with you (including you), and about ten that have been waiting to see what else comes out (including me). Out of 22, and out of the larger pool of active members, we have a grand total of two; that's 2, members condemning the alleged hoaxer.
So I wouldn't exactly say that APS is all about one thing or the other. And I would also ask why you address APS as "they," as if you were an outside observer, rather than one of the more active members.
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It may encourage you to know:
Out of about 22 participants in this thread, we have about ten that agree with you (including you), and about ten that have been waiting to see what else comes out (including me). Out of 22, and out of the larger pool of active members, we have a grand total of two; that's 2, members condemning the alleged hoaxer.
So I wouldn't exactly say that APS is all about one thing or the other. And I would also ask why you address APS as "they," as if you were an outside observer, rather than one of the more active members.
Additionally, it's particularly amusing to me that I've taken on CS&D's role here in believing the authorities over the miscreant while he's defending the miscreant.
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The blue bit is a 9v battery connector. I've had a few plug-in clocks with 9V backup that would beep from time to time when the AC went out.
Indeed, and I figure that the battery might of been removed to shut it up, and not replaced.
Because when you make a working clock out of spare parts, and someone asks you what it is, apparently you're supposed to tell them something else. :facepalm:
Paraphrasing what I said elsewhere, because we KNOW cops do this:
"Hey kid, you were intending to make a bomb with this, weren't you?"
"Tell us how you were planning on showing off this fake bomb to your friends"
"You wanted to scare the faculty with this, didn't you?"
"Common, you can tell us, you admit that you made this to be a fake bomb and you can go home"
etc...
Also - Ron, condemning the kid because his father's supposedly liberal because he's Muslim? Not really good. You have a point how this could be classical school administration over-reaction, independent of any anti-muslim feelings.
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Also - Ron, condemning the kid because his father's supposedly liberal because he's Muslim? Not really good. You have a point how this could be classical school administration over-reaction, independent of any anti-muslim feelings.
No, he did no such thing. He's pointing out the irony of the outraged left-wingers when one of their pet darling constituencies is ensnared by one of their pet policy prescriptions.
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I didn't say it that way, but, yes you are. Just like the "Hands up, Don't Shoot" people pushed a false narrative that encourages cops to hesitate before shooting an actual threat.
If it makes you feel better, I don't think you're willingly doing so, just that you are useful to the terrorists.
Incidentally, if Alistair Dewayne Ivanovich Sitting Bull Abramson-O'Neill had the same device and story as little Ahmed, I'd be saying the same thing on the response of the people involved. (I'd guess he had different motives than Ahmed, but the same immediate goal: wanting to garner attention with his hoax).
If a kid shows up at school with this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html, you'd find that I'm perfectly fine with the kid getting the same treatment, too.
If the above kid told everyone he saw that it's not a real gun, is that going to matter to his punishment?
No reasonable person would think that was a bomb, as evidenced by the fact that no one involved in this story thought it was a bomb. If you're arguing that it looked like a bomb then all you're doing is showcasing your ignorance.
As for your assertion that I'm helping terrorists because I recognize that your argument is bullshit, kindly go *expletive deleted*ck yourself.
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To me it looks like attention/ethnic/lawsuit trolling meets zero tolerance, the fact that obama invited them to the white house only confirms the former.
They can all go to hell.
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I think I will call my next pet Alistair Dewayne Ivanovich Sitting Bull Abramson-O'Neill. Best name ever.
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To me it looks like attention/ethnic/lawsuit trolling meets zero tolerance, the fact that obama invited them to the white house only confirms the former.
They can all go to hell.
:laugh:
Everyone involved has an agenda I oppose.
One of those cases where the left eats the left.
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He made something that looks like a bomb and obviously everyone thought it looked like a bomb, while not actually being a bomb, including the young Mr. Mohamed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE&t=1m28s
"I closed it with a cable so it wouldn't look suspicious."
Really? There was something about your clock that made you think it might raise suspicions?
And the school was not evacuated and the bomb squad called? :facepalm:
Even if the "everyone" was folks that arrived after he was hauled down to the principal's office? :facepalm: :facepalm:
They locked down the White House over someone's bag lunch! (OK, not sure what it was but from the lack of follow-up headlines I'm pretty sure it was not a bomb.) [tinfoil]Tell me the one about Goldilocks next.
stay safe.
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And the school was not evacuated and the bomb squad called? :facepalm:
Even if the "everyone" was folks that arrived after he was hauled down to the principal's office? :facepalm: :facepalm:
They locked down the White House over someone's bag lunch! (OK, not sure what it was but from the lack of follow-up headlines I'm pretty sure it was not a bomb.) [tinfoil]Tell me the one about Goldilocks next.
stay safe.
If I show you this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html and, upon inspection, you know it's not a gun, might I still be in trouble for having a "hoax gun"?
As I said, from the actions, everyone knew, upon inspection that the "clock" that he "made" was not a bomb, just as they would know the above is not a gun.
Can you tell me what his intention was in bringing into the school and plugging it in in front of his teacher after being warned by a previous teacher? (Who clearly ALSO thought it looked like a bomb or he wouldn't have warned the student.)
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Can you tell me what his intention was in bringing into the school and plugging it in in front of his teacher after being warned by a previous teacher? (Who clearly ALSO thought it looked like a bomb or he wouldn't have warned the student.)
Do you have a citation on him plugging it in in front of the second teacher? Before the teacher started asking questions about it? Because clearly we're operating on two very different versions of events.
The story I heard is that it started beeping while in his backpack, and it's when he removed it from his pack to shut it up that the fun started.
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If I show you this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html and, upon inspection, you know it's not a gun, might I still be in trouble for having a "hoax gun"?
As I said, from the actions, everyone knew, upon inspection that the "clock" that he "made" was not a bomb, just as they would know the above is not a gun.
If everyone knew it wasn't a bomb, what's the freaking problem?
I also think it's worth mentioning at this juncture that had this kid been suspended from school for "disrupting class with an electronic device" or whatever rule the school uses if a kid's cell phone rings (you know they have one) we would not be discussing this. But he was suspended, and arrested for having a "hoax bomb" that, it seems, "everyone" knew wasn't a bomb.
He may have been trolling. I don't know the kid. But if the school and cops had used even a little *expletive deleted*ing sense it wouldn't have mattered. I'm not outraged that a muslem was thought a bomber. I'm outraged that "Well we all know it's not, and he says it's not, but it scared one admittedly non expert mouth breather so "cuff 'em, Dano!"" seems to be the order of the day.
I'm a little concerned that I need to start judging what I do based on what the most hysterical idiot I can imagine might think. I'm putting a powered sub in my truck. Black box with blinky lights and wires going in and out of it. It even weighs enough to be a bomb. When I go on federal property should I be worried about hoaxing some GS-5 secretary?*
*I already think it's bullshit FL won't let me have this. (http://www.amazon.com/GG-G-CLAYMORE-HITCH-Cover/dp/B002IWYFVS) What fainting nancy decided that was a "hoax" mine?
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They either thought it was a bomb, or they didn't.
If they didn't , the kid shouldn't have been punished. Trolling or not.
If they did, then they failed like hell in evacuating the school and getting students out of there.
The idea of criminalizing an object because it LOOKS like something else, especially when the person involved says over and over that it ISNT, is not acceptable to me.
Nor should it be to anyone who values liberty.
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Also - Ron, condemning the kid because his father's supposedly liberal because he's Muslim? Not really good. You have a point how this could be classical school administration over-reaction, independent of any anti-muslim feelings.
Actually my point was how the left can't have it both ways.
Would you mind pointing out what I said that condemns the child, the father or Muslims?
Implicit in my comment is that this ranks up there with pop tarts bitten into the shape of a gun.
Or is it somehow impolite to point out the obvious (politically active Muslims being one of the lefts many grievance groups)?
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If I show you this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html and, upon inspection, you know it's not a gun, might I still be in trouble for having a "hoax gun"?
As I said, from the actions, everyone knew, upon inspection that the "clock" that he "made" was not a bomb, just as they would know the above is not a gun.
Can you tell me what his intention was in bringing into the school and plugging it in in front of his teacher after being warned by a previous teacher? (Who clearly ALSO thought it looked like a bomb or he wouldn't have warned the student.)
Did he plug it in in his backpack? What website is your source?
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If he was trolling showing it to his engineering teacher and telling him it was a clock was an odd way to do it
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I don't know if anybody knows about geocaching, but it's using a GPS to find small containers someone else hides. But people are so conditioned to assume that anybody or anything out of the ordinary is a threat, that more than once a geocache gets called in as a bomb scare. Even though it may not look like a bomb, the typical police response is to call the bomb squad. I don't know if it's bureaucratic inertia, the temptation to call it training, or just an excuse to "do something", but the cache often gets destroyed. The kid in the right of this picture is holding the cache which later got reported and blown up by the bomb squad. Yes, it's a medicine bottle, so it doesn't have to be very big to be considered a problem.
(https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/dc57f421-82df-466b-a81b-466cae095586.jpg)
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Did he plug it in in his backpack? What website is your source?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/15/student-detained-police-mistake-clock-fake-bomb/72348060/
[Quote ] According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise.[/quote]
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I don't know if anybody knows about geocaching, but it's using a GPS to find small containers someone else hides. But people are so conditioned to assume that anybody or anything out of the ordinary is a threat, that more than once a geocache gets called in as a bomb scare. Even though it may not look like a bomb, the typical police response is to call the bomb squad. I don't know if it's bureaucratic inertia, the temptation to call it training, or just an excuse to "do something", but the cache often gets destroyed. The kid in the right of this picture is holding the cache which later got reported and blown up by the bomb squad. Yes, it's a medicine bottle, so it doesn't have to be very big to be considered a problem.
Never mind that, the girl second from the right has a SWORD AND AXE!!!!!!!!!! Sweet Jeebus!!!!!! She'll slaughter a school. Call the cops!
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It's a 8 inch long pencil case.
http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K
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More of the Mohamed Family's Zany Sense of Humor: Twin Towers Transportation Corp.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/more-of-the-mohamed-familys-zany-sense-of-humor-twin-towers-transportation-corp/
Aldean Mohammed is Mo-Mo's brother and Jihadibombhoaxer's uncle.
“Twin Towers Transportation Corporation” …
Now it could be that this is a different Aldean Mohamed.
But it refers to North Texas and to Sudanese, both of which check out.
And “Twin Towers” just sounds like this extended family’s wacky, edgy sense of humor, like participating as the defense in Rev. Terry Jones’ trial of whether Koran should be burned, running for president of Sudan while living in America, or constructing a shoddy mock-up of a briefcase bomb not yet loaded with explosives.
(http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Screenshot-2015-09-18-18.22.32.png)
(http://www.huliq.com/files/imagecache/article_main/news_article/images/Twin_Towers_1.jpg)
Ha-Ha, so funny.
We are being played for chumps.
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I don't know if anybody knows about geocaching, but it's using a GPS to find small containers someone else hides. But people are so conditioned to assume that anybody or anything out of the ordinary is a threat, that more than once a geocache gets called in as a bomb scare.
Yeah, I hear the Alarm Clocks, Road Flares And Bulk Silly Putty cache needs replacing pretty often.
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No reasonable person would think that was a bomb, as evidenced by the fact that no one involved in this story thought it was a bomb. If you're arguing that it looked like a bomb then all you're doing is showcasing your ignorance.
Actually, no reasonably intelligent person would think what the kid assembled* was a bomb. Unfortunately, there aren't that many reasonably intelligent folks left out there that would take the time to analyze what the kid assembled and understand that it is not a bomb.
However, that thing looks very much like what Hollywood has conditioned everyone on the planet to believe a bomb looks like (OMGZZZ! Don't cut the red wire. Oh, wait! Don't cut the blue wire!).
That, coupled with the kid's statement that he closed the case with a cord so that it wouldn't look "suspicious", makes me question his motives and intent. A cord not looking suspicious when the case has latches? Really?
I would bet the kid got cold feet while trying to prank some of his buddies at the school. Just a kid being stupid.
After taking it to school, he realized that he could get in some serious trouble if a teacher or administrator saw the thing. He showed it to his science teacher claiming it to be a neat thing he "invented" in order to give himself some cover if he got caught with it during the school day. He got the desired cover from his science teacher, but things went south from there when it beeped in his later class.
As far as assigning political motives to what the kid did, maybe his hoping he'd get piled on for being Muslim? What middle-school aged boy thinks that far ahead or even considers stuff like that? Think back to when you were that age, what with the onset of raging hormones and the discovery of girls and such.
* Looking at the picture, it was obviously assembled out of parts, maybe a kit or an old dead digital clock. Definitely not "invented" as the story purports.
Edited to add content for clarity's sake.
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Here's the first one I found, looking for a build-a-clock kit:
(http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/zoom/hshg_wooden_mechanical_clock.gif)
???
Where do you put the batteries?
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Boyd [police chief] said authorities would have reacted to the incident with the same caution if it had been a white student.
"Our reaction would have been the same either way," he said. "That’s a very suspicious device. We live in an age where you cant take things like that to a school.”
I think the chief has unwittingly put his finger on the crux of the problem. Just why CAN'T a kid take something like that to school?
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If I show you this: http://www.replicagunsdirect.com/catalog/resin-replica-guns/resin-replica-1911-pistol-1659.html and, upon inspection, you know it's not a gun, might I still be in trouble for having a "hoax gun"?
As I said, from the actions, everyone knew, upon inspection that the "clock" that he "made" was not a bomb, just as they would know the above is not a gun.
Can you tell me what his intention was in bringing into the school and plugging it in in front of his teacher after being warned by a previous teacher? (Who clearly ALSO thought it looked like a bomb or he wouldn't have warned the student.)
1 - schools have zero-tolerance policies.
2 - see #1
And again - "everybody" did not know it was not a bomb because in order to be a "hoax bomb" it has to give some impression of being a bomb sufficient to cause concern in the observer.
I could walk into a school, take out my wallet and say "This is a bomb" and dollars to donuts the place is going to be evacuated* and the bomb squad called out.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
[popcorn]
stay safe.
* - if the school is like many the evacuation route(s) are extremely limited and usually are routed past places where anybody desiring to rack up a body count could do so without having to walk the halls.
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Where's the fake explosives? Or anything that looks anything like a detonator, whatever a detonator looks like?
Kid takes apart a cheap digital clock and says he "invented" it. That sounds to me like something stupid that a smart 9th grader would do. (I've been there) It may or may not be more sinister than that.
Am I the only person to wonder why a clock that has a power cord needs a 9-volt battery connector? Is that what's typically used as the back-up for a digital alarm clock?
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Am I the only person to wonder why a clock that has a power cord needs a 9-volt battery connector? Is that what's typically used as the back-up for a digital alarm clock?
You are correct.
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Am I the only person to wonder why a clock that has a power cord needs a 9-volt battery connector? Is that what's typically used as the back-up for a digital alarm clock?
Yes. Yes it is.
stay safe.
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Am I the only person to wonder why a clock that has a power cord needs a 9-volt battery connector? Is that what's typically used as the back-up for a digital alarm clock?
It looks very much to me as though he disassembled a (working or broken) commercially-available clock, and reassembled the components in working order inside his little pencil case.
Not "inventing a clock", certainly - but if he took a broken one and made it work, or even took a working one apart and put it back together in the pencil case and it worked, that's a good tinkering job, IMO. Something that ought to be ENCOURAGED.
Instead, we have stupid teachers and bureaucrats calling it a "hoax bomb" when all he ever said was "clock", and stupid police violating the civil rights of a minor and a minority in multiple ways. Along with the aforementioned stupid teachers and bureaucrats. Who will be paying Ahmed's college tuition through Masters, from the look of things. Sadly, they will not be doing so out of their own pockets, as should be the case - no, of course, Irving taxpayers get to foot that bill.
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It looks very much to me as though he disassembled a (working or broken) commercially-available clock, and reassembled the components in working order inside his little pencil case.
Not "inventing a clock", certainly - but if he took a broken one and made it work, or even took a working one apart and put it back together in the pencil case and it worked, that's a good tinkering job, IMO. Something that ought to be ENCOURAGED.
Instead, we have stupid teachers and bureaucrats calling it a "hoax bomb" when all he ever said was "clock", and stupid police violating the civil rights of a minor and a minority in multiple ways. Along with the aforementioned stupid teachers and bureaucrats. Who will be paying Ahmed's college tuition through Masters, from the look of things. Sadly, they will not be doing so out of their own pockets, as should be the case - no, of course, Irving taxpayers get to foot that bill.
You're welcome, Ahmed. LOL
Here in irving, we have two things that haven't been interacting well lately: retard politicians and officials, and a high population of Arab, Indian , and other immigrants.
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I dare say for his personal experience the positive now strongly outweighs any negative. Good for him.
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He took a COUNTDOWN TIMER, tore it down, reassembled it in a pencil case and lit it off after being advised against even letting it's existance be known. Eff' `em.
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He took a COUNTDOWN TIMER, tore it down, reassembled it in a pencil case and lit it off after being advised against even letting it's existance be known. Eff' `em.
Where's your evidence on this? Everybody else has been saying it's a pretty standard digital clock - the only 'countdown' would be the alarm, maybe the 'sleep' function.
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Kevin Davis
September 17 ·
As you know - my degree is in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. So, as someone with some appreciable expertise, I analyzed the "home made clock" that the kid in Irving was supposed to have "invented" and taken to school. First, it is NOT a simple alarm clock. It is a COUNTDOWN clock. Second -- the kid didn't home make or invent anything. He decomposed an already existing commercially available COUNTDOWN clock (as evidenced by the commercially manufactured Printed Circuit Board (PCB)) as shown in the picture of his device.
If the kid were to "home make" or "invent" a clock -- he would have used a breadboard (as I have added to the picture) wherein one inserts integrated circuits, wires, and capacitors, resistors, etc., to form the logic of such a device.
So, question: why did the kid take apart an already existing COUNTDOWN clock and build it into a briefcase where only the LEDs were visible counting down time? What would happen at any airport, building, school, public sidewalk, if such a device were spotted?
Question: what is in the white bag in the suitcase? It serves no electronic purpose. Hmmmm.
Do you want anyone to bring a briefcase with COUNTDOWN clock embedded within it and setting the clock to countdown and go off during English class in your kids schools? Again, the only thing visible on the outside of the briefcase were the LEDs counting down time to 00:00.
I smell a dirty rat, a setup here, if there ever was one. I am appalled that the media is buying into the innocent "inventor" story. This is not about race or religion -- it is about someone purposefully taking a menacing device to school.
What if a kid were to take an upper from one AR-15 rifle, and a lower from another AR-15 rifle and put it together, then remove the firing pin and take it to school as a metal worker "inventor"? Why, anyone who knew anything about rifles could closely examine the metal object had no firing pin and would celebrate what a great inventor the kid was!!! NOT!!!! How many people at a school could closely examine the inside of this briefcase with a countdown clock visible on the outside counting down to 00:00 and make the call as to its purpose? Again, what is inside that white bag?
Someone even identified the timer brand and model. Looking for it now.
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Hero -
1. Note that the 'countdown clock' display is substantially different than the kid's. His is a standard LCD panel, the pictured one uses LEDs. They DO NOT MATCH. The only reason to emphasize 'countdown' like in the article you post is as a 'SCARE TACTIC!!!'
Hell, I found the one pictured (http://www.amazon.com/MacGregor-Count-Up-Down-Clock/dp/B000BPM4US/) on Amazon. Do you really figure that the kid 'decomposed' a $160(on sale! regularly $308) timer that wouldn't even fit in his case?(the numbers on that one are 4" high, it wouldn't fit inside the kid's pencil case). It also wouldn't have the 9V battery lead for backup, given that the one pictured has a rechargable 8 hour battery for operation unplugged.
Instead, how about this RCA Digital Alarm Clock (http://www.amazon.com/RCA-Digital-Alarm-Clock-Display/dp/B007T0W5CA/). $11.25 off amazon, 1.4" red letters, which would fit in the case as shown, takes a 9V battery as backup, etc... Note: I'm not saying this is the source alarm clock, I figure 'any' old one would do, and there are thousands of models that use essentially the same internal components.
2. The positive and negative leads they mention look to go to the transformer, then to the power plug. Ergo, if you hooked anything up to them to 'charge anything when the alarm goes off', they wouldn't go off when the alarm goes, they'll go off when the device is plugged in.
3. 'What is this?' - We don't know. It looks a bit like a silicone packet, which is used to absorb moisture. Given that it's not attached to anything, why does it matter?
4. It's not a briefcase or suitcase, it's a pencil case, substantially smaller. You could probably easily fit a dozen pencil cases into a standard briefcase. Even more into something deserving of being called a 'suitcase'. Note how large the plug is. Ergo, calling it 'briefcase' means he's not paying attention. Graduating to 'suitcase' indicates to me that the writer is deliberately trying to scare people by over-stating the size of the device.
5. Only the LED being visible? If I was setting up such a clock, I'd probably mount it much like the kid did. Still, the display is very much NOT visible unless the case is open, unlike the writer's supposition, at which point, seeing that it's empty and only has the circuit boards and power components for the electrical stuff is easy. I can tell that the panel is designed to light up INSIDE the case as it's mounted because I can see the 88:88 pattern. You can't see that from the back side(and yes, I've disassembled a few clocks in my time.) ;)
6. Sure, he more decomposed a clock than 'built' one. but I'm asking if you have any evidence that it was a 'COUNTDOWN clock' as opposed to a regular 'alarm clock' most people have next to their bed, and is readily available in most general goods stores for under $20, depending on how fancy it is.
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Someone even identified the timer brand and model. Looking for it now.
Display does not match the one in the "countdown clock". Much more closely resembles the solid-LED 7-segment readouts on $12 Walmart-special alarm clocks I saw last weekend.
"Breadboard"
There is no visible breadboard in Ahmed's alarm clock. Multistrand wire harness, couple of power leads between the two circuit boards and the transformer connecting the AC wire to the board, and the 9V backup connector of course. Oh, let's not forget to mention the pencil case he put it all in.
"WHAT IS THIS?"
It's the packet of silica drying material found inside any package or container EVAR, tucked away inside the mesh pocket which is part of the inside liner of the 8" pencil case he bolted his alarm clock into.
You're welcome.
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This was in Sunday's NYT:
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I see no one has followed the links I have provided:
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
Identifies the old clock he took apart, indicating he was lying about "inventing" it.
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2015/09/15/irving-isd-student-detained-for-device-resembling-bomb/72339246/
Notes he plugged it into an electrical outlet, indicating he wanted it found.
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This was in Sunday's NYT:
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/the-strip-slide-GDLD/the-strip-slide-GDLD-master1050.png)
Wow. These people are nuts.
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As I stated before, I am not a big supporter of public schools, their administrators, or many of their policies. Or gov't-run schools in general. I send my own children, at considerable personal expense, to a private religious school despite living next to a public "magnet" school.
Despite that, I side with the Irving ISD administrators and police in this matter as acting reasonably under the circumstances.
Jihadibombhoaxboy comes from a family with at least two members known for elaborate practical joking on the public stage(1) and from a muslim community at odds with the majority in Irving.
To sum it up: You all are being punked.
(1) Father running for pres of Sudan...from Texas & engaging with Pastor BBQQuran. Uncle for naming his trucking company after the World Trade Center attack.
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Uncle for naming his trucking company after the World Trade Center attack.
Um, what?
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Um, what?
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=49534.msg1010657#msg1010657
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Screenshot-2015-09-18-18.22.32.png
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http://streetcarnage.com/blog/a-little-kid-just-punked-the-president/
That’s not a *expletive deleted*ing homemade clock. That’s a clock your dad took apart and reassembled in a briefcase. The dad has a history of publicity stunts.
Mohamed ElHassan Mohamed pretended to run for the president of Sudan, twice, even though that was impossible. When Vox defends him, they like to quote his website where the guy described himself as a, “passionate and sometimes amusing speaker of wisdom.” Pastor Terry Jones got a lot of publicity when he put the Koran on trial for crimes against humanity. Mohamed jumped in and said he’d like to be the book’s attorney. See? That’s what he does. He’s like that Muslim woman on the plane who told the world the stewardess refused to give her a Coke because it might be used as a weapon. She lied. It’s part of their culture. They call it “al-Taqiyya.”
It’s annoying when a stewardess gets framed but when our president is this easily duped, it’s downright embarrassing.
http://streetcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/CPL3K-mXAAIh3UU.jpg-large.jpeg
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One of the things that pisses me off about all this, is there are smart kids out there doing real science and some are actually inventing things. Everyone is fawning over this poser for being so brilliant because he took a thrift store clock apart, and he gets a trip to the Whitehouse and a visit with the Poser in Chief, and will probably get all kinds of gifts and scholarships and job offers before he even finishes high school.
I'm still taking the kid's side vs the school district and the Irving police.
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One of the things that pisses me off about all this, is there are smart kids out there doing real science and some are actually inventing things. Everyone is fawning over this poser for being so brilliant because he took a thrift store clock apart, and he gets a trip to the Whitehouse and a visit with the Poser in Chief, and will probably get all kinds of gifts and scholarships and job offers before he even finishes high school.
I'm still taking the kid's side vs the school district and the Irving police.
The slapdown tweet from a college and POTUS was enough, I think. MS getting in on it and sending him their product lineup is going a bit far.
I'm not even sure that he claims to have 'invented' the clock, given that he also states that he 'slapped it together in about 20 minutes'.
makattak - I did much the same, just looking up a 'modern' device available new that would also provide the electronics; it's not like they update the circuit boards in those much.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY)
Summary to save others 4 minutes: It's not an 'invention', it's a disassembled alarm clock stuck in a case. Creator of video believes the intent was to alarm, not being a 'stupid kid'.
I don't think anybody here disputes that it's essentially the guts of an alarm clock stuck stuck into a pencil case. Not exactly even a Heathkit project.
"No evidence that the kid put it together" - There's no evidence presented that he didn't, it's well within the range of an average kid's abilities, not even requiring a 'genius'.
Where I got irked earlier was the 'COUNTDOWN clock' repeated half a dozen times in a different 'analysis' that tried to make it out to be a proto-bomb. Countdown being carefully presented in ALL CAPS each time for extra scare. The pencil case was also described variously as 'briefcase' and 'suitcase'. That's like calling a smart car a semi.
I've seen words used - "assembled" "invented" "made" etc... From what I understand, Ahmed hasn't claimed he invented it, using 'assembled', specifically 'in about 20 minutes'.
http://streetcarnage.com/blog/a-little-kid-just-punked-the-president/
Loses points for calling it a 'briefcase'. It's too small to fit a notebook into.
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I've seen words used - "assembled" "invented" "made" etc... From what I understand, Ahmed hasn't claimed he invented it, using 'assembled', specifically 'in about 20 minutes'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE&t=0m33s
"Interrogated me and took my stuff and my invention."
To call something "my invention" indicates you consider yourself the inventor.
I keep getting the feeling that the people jumping to conclusions and making lots of assumptions without getting the available information are the people jumping to defend the muslim troll.
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To me speaks very loudly when people have to miss characterize and construct evidence in order to support a position and many of the people who are oh my god are doing just that ie the pencil case becomes a briefcase and the clock becomes a countdown timer
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The stuff I posted came from that bastion of truth, Facebook. There was an interesting comment where a particular make and model clock/countdown timer was said to be identical to what was in the pencil case. I have tried to find it but searching FB or comment quotes in an exercise in futility. Yes, calling it a Briefcase is a hell of a stretch.
Is the kid an inventor? Not even close. Was this possibly (probably) meant to cause alarm? I certainly believe so.
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Invention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20&v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo
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The stuff I posted came from that bastion of truth, Facebook. There was an interesting comment where a particular make and model clock/countdown timer was said to be identical to what was in the pencil case. I have tried to find it but searching FB or comment quotes in an exercise in futility. Yes, calling it a Briefcase is a hell of a stretch.
Is the kid an inventor? Not even close. Was this possibly (probably) meant to cause alarm? I certainly believe so.
So you think he did, in fact, build an Alarm Clock.
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Is the kid an inventor? Not even close. Was this possibly (probably) meant to cause alarm? I certainly believe so.
Some of the other pictures of him show him working on 3d representations of, among other things, the pencil case clock, with a much more complex circuit board with alligator clamps on it.
There's also a chance that, rather than being meant to cause alarm, it was the start of an unknown project.
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When I was in 8th grade I made a 4 zone alarm circuit built into one of the at the time 4x2x3 or so blue boxes from Radio Shack. It had a countdown circuit to give time to turn it off, a mercury switch to detect tampering/moving it, etc. It would set off a little horn/buzzer if a circuit was tripped and not turned off in 20 or so seconds. It had a series of DIP switches to enable/disable the zones. My father and I had built an alarm system for our home and I duplicated some of it to create my device.
It is pretty obvious this kid appears to have disassembled a commercially available alarm clock and put it in a pencil case. Regardless of his intentions it does look somewhat suspicious in the current school climate whether I agree with that climate or not and is no demonstration of some superior intellect or inventiveness that should garner this attention.
My contraption after being taken from me by a bully and played with garnered attention from school officials as well, of course back then it didn't involve police, but wasn't a pleasant experience either. This was probably about 1983 or so ...
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To me speaks very loudly when people have to miss characterize and construct evidence in order to support a position and many of the people who are oh my god are doing just that ie the pencil case becomes a briefcase and the clock becomes a countdown timer
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Seriously? People were calling it a briefcase because they only saw a picture. The Pencil Case of Invention was styled to look like some sort of briefcase, so big surprise that it looked like one in photographs.
A friend of mine bought a silver tea pot on Ebay, for a very good price. It turned out to be a figurine. Silver, yes, but a figurine.
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http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2015/09/alarm-akbar.html
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So much bullshit surrounding this from all sides I don't know what to make of it.
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Via saysuncle:
http://www.saysuncle.com/2015/09/21/once-again-narrative/
I'm curious about the name of the father's company.
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Ummm... Is anybody else seeing what I am seeing?
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Ummm... Is anybody else seeing what I am seeing?
The rest of us are smart enough (or straight enough) to look away.
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Ummm... Is anybody else seeing what I am seeing?
How the large wood grains indicate that the kettle is a lot smaller than it looks?
For some reason I have a hard time seeing the middle bottom of the kettle. Some sort of imperfection there that demands the whole house be burned to the ground.
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http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/buzz-over-teen-clockmaker-from-texas-shifts-from-celebrity-to-conspiracy/
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http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/buzz-over-teen-clockmaker-from-texas-shifts-from-celebrity-to-conspiracy/
Most of these theories cite no evidence, many contradict each other and some clash with known facts — like a statement from Irving City Hall that the MacArthur High School freshman never intended to frighten anyone with his circuit-stuffed pencil case.
Are they saying that, because City Hall said so, it is a "known fact" that the kid didn't intend to frighten people? =|
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http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/buzz-over-teen-clockmaker-from-texas-shifts-from-celebrity-to-conspiracy/
Ah, and speaking of no evidence, the article is long on its own suppositions and short on evidence of others.
I like how they conflate the "countdown clock" theory, which was sensationalism, with the "just assembled a commercial clock into his case" theory. The article goes out of its way to poke holes in the first and then just mentions the other as though it were just as mistaken as the first. It's a common tactic of the left.
Excellent bit of agitprop, but adds nothing of value.
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After further analysis, I'll repeat my earlier post and stick by it...
To me it looks like attention/ethnic/lawsuit trolling meets zero tolerance, the fact that obama invited them to the white house only confirms the former.
They can all go to hell.
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I'm with brimic, like I said earlier
A left wing constituent hoisted on a left wing PC zero tolerance bureaucratic petard.
no good guys here
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Found this video today and thought of this thread and you guys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4_ueajS-3I
It's work safe, and I found it funny...
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Found this video today and thought of this thread and you guys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4_ueajS-3I
It's work safe, and I found it funny...
Thanks, that was pretty good.
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So you think he did, in fact, build an Alarm Clock.
Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck ...
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My contraption after being taken from me by a bully and played with garnered attention from school officials as well, of course back then it didn't involve police, but wasn't a pleasant experience either. This was probably about 1983 or so ...
Your own fault, for not booby trapping it.
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Ummm... Is anybody else seeing what I am seeing?
Please pass the brain bleach.
Oh, and thanks for causing me to take a second look ...
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/clockmaker-ahmed-mohameds-sister-was-once-suspended-from-school-for-threatening-to-blow-it-up
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Ummm... Is anybody else seeing what I am seeing?
I saw what vaguely looked like a naked fat person of undetermined sex. I thought leaving it at "vaguely" and moving on made a lot of sense. I haven't zoomed in on it. Was I right? (still not zooming in)
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A COMMENT SECTION GOES HORRIBLY WRONG: In order to pretend they didn’t completely jump the gun on the Ahmed the clockmaker story, the DIY-oriented Hackaday Website runs – just out of the blue, totally for kicks and grins, no reason, just seems so pleasin’ – a story titled “Clocks for Social Good.” Things begin to go awry in the comments...
You know how you periodically investigate a kick-starter, going over public pictures and asking real questions about “is this real”?
The difference in the way you are approaching Ahmed’s clock and a random kickstarter is really really painful to watch. Your credibility is on the line here and you really really need to say “yeah okay we were taken in by a story that was too good to check”.
Ahmed’s clock was just a disassembled commercial clock. It’s painfully obvious. And to your readers, it’s even more painfully obvious than it is to a lay person.
I’m embarrassed for you guys. You keep doubling down on “lay people hate science” when what they really hate is being lied to to advance a narrative.
Right now, it’s starting to look like you either are incapable of spotting an obvious fake, or that you don’t like facts get in the way of the story you want to tell. Neither is good for your credibility.
All that said, these are really cool clocks, and the bomb post was good too. But it’s obvious you’re trying to cover up your error. Quit blowing smoke and own up to it.
Hey, you knwo what? It would make a good “fail of the week” post. And for the same reasons. Failure happens, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, and we cant’ let it get in the way of trying. We need to normalize admitting error so that more people will do it.
I also think a post where you examine Ahmed’s clock the way you examine anything else, trying to identify chips, boards, and model numbers would be good forensic work.
Oh, his teacher said don’t show it to anyone else so he took it to every class. Right, his dad ran for President of the Sudan, twice, and is an attention seeking activist for Sharia Law in small town Texas. While the school officials were waiting for the parents who were late to a meeting they saw them on TV giving news conferences. Not that that means anything. And the clock, the thing that looks like many a movie bomb prop, carried into ever class where teachers are under the law, Mandated Reporters, like police.
I also built tons of things as a kid. Starting at a young age, and without millionaire parents or the internet, or high quality award winning schools to help me. Dont forget where you are posting.
The clock he used had to be plugged into the wall, set to go off that period, and allowed to go off.. The teacher involved is being attacked for thinking this was potentially a hoax bomb, when it looks just like a bomb in many ways.
He did create a moron detector- anyone lauding him and sending him free things for disrupting class is a moron!
I am not attacking the kid. This is a issue of truth vs BS. I am leftist and personally believe police often racially profile, and that societies tiered class structure is unacknowledged and built partially unfairly on things like where you were born and what race you are.
Giving MIT scholarships out randomly is sad to see for someone who had to work hard all through all of high school.
FYI: Mandated Reporter
In many parts of the world, mandated reporters are people who have regular contact with vulnerable people and are therefore legally required to ensure a report is made when abuse is observed or suspected. Specific details vary across jurisdictions—the abuse that must be reported may include neglect, or financial, physical, sexual, or other types of abuse. Mandated reporters may include paid or unpaid people who have assumed full or intermittent responsibility for the care of a child, dependent adult, or elder.
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So you think he did, in fact, build an Alarm Clock.
:lol:
I see what you did there.
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So you think he did, in fact, build an Alarm Clock.
"He didn't build that." -POTUS
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"He didn't build that." -POTUS
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And now the continuation of the story...
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/09/23/ahmeds-family-hires-lawyers-to-help-get-clock-from-irving-police/72675964/ (http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/09/23/ahmeds-family-hires-lawyers-to-help-get-clock-from-irving-police/72675964/)
IRVING -- The family of a 14-year-old Irving student arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school earlier this month has retained lawyers and is seeking to regain his science project from the Irving Police Department.
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Time to revive this thread. Ahmed, the clock kid, is back in the news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-and-his-family-will-move-to-qatar/2015/10/20/a95ed296-7762-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html
The kid pulls a bone-headed stunt that backfired, and suddenly every terrorist cell country in the world wants him. Who would have expected that? So not only is he going to be going to school in Qatar, his entire family is moving to Qatar.
And then there's this:
He was among 300 visitors to “Astronomy Night,” a celebration of science and learning. Bill Nye the Science Guy was there, along with a number of standout students who have been recognized for scientific achievements throughout the country. Though some of those students received shoutouts during President Obama’s comments, there was no mention of Ahmed in the audience. That didn’t stop reporters from shouting to him from behind the rope lines: “Ahmed! How are you feeling?”
And that's what wrong with this country. All it takes to be included in an "elite" group of future scientists, apparently, is the ability to pull the guts out of a Radio Shack digital alarm clock and stuff them into a pencil box. Heck, I was doing stuff like that when I was 7 or 8 years old, and I didn't get invited to the White House. (Of course, I didn't get busted for bringing a pseudo-bomb to school, either. And I'm not Muslim.)
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The kid pulls a bone-headed stunt that backfired, and suddenly every terrorist cell country in the world wants him. Who would have expected that? So not only is he going to be going to school in Qatar, his entire family is moving to Qatar.
I question whether it backfired, but I guess moving to Qatar might indicate that it did. Unless they wanted to live in Qatar. ???
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I question whether it backfired, but I guess moving to Qatar might indicate that it did. Unless they wanted to live in Qatar. ???
Seems like a step up from Sudan...
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I wonder if his older sister is going to have to cover up in Qatar. How strict are they there?
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Seems like a step up from Sudan...
IIRC, Bombhoaxkid also met with the Pres of Sudan, you know, the one who ethnically cleansed Darfur of Christians.
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Time to revive this thread. Ahmed, the clock kid, is back in the news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-and-his-family-will-move-to-qatar/2015/10/20/a95ed296-7762-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html
The kid pulls a bone-headed stunt that backfired, and suddenly every terrorist cell country in the world wants him. Who would have expected that? So not only is he going to be going to school in Qatar, his entire family is moving to Qatar.
And then there's this:
And that's what wrong with this country. All it takes to be included in an "elite" group of future scientists, apparently, is the ability to pull the guts out of a Radio Shack digital alarm clock and stuff them into a pencil box. Heck, I was doing stuff like that when I was 7 or 8 years old, and I didn't get invited to the White House. (Of course, I didn't get busted for bringing a pseudo-bomb to school, either. And I'm not Muslim.)
Seems like a good reward for showing our enemies just how vulnerable our schools are, thanks to political correctness.
What's the American word for "Beslan"?......
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What's the American word for "Beslan"?......
Probably something like "Beslan."
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Time to revive this thread. Ahmed, the clock kid, is back in the news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-and-his-family-will-move-to-qatar/2015/10/20/a95ed296-7762-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html
The kid pulls a bone-headed stunt that backfired, and suddenly every terrorist cell country in the world wants him. Who would have expected that? So not only is he going to be going to school in Qatar, his entire family is moving to Qatar.
And then there's this:
And that's what wrong with this country. All it takes to be included in an "elite" group of future scientists, apparently, is the ability to pull the guts out of a Radio Shack digital alarm clock and stuff them into a pencil box. Heck, I was doing stuff like that when I was 7 or 8 years old, and I didn't get invited to the White House. (Of course, I didn't get busted for bringing a pseudo-bomb to school, either. And I'm not Muslim.)
Good riddance.
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Good riddance.
This.
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I heard he'll be attending Truck Driving school there.
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I heard he'll be attending Truck Driving school there.
. . . or rudimentary pilot training.
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. . . or rudimentary pilot training.
Much less focus on landing than intermediate pilot training.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
He'll be back....
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He'll be back....
I wonder if his second appearance will blow up like his first.
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I wonder if his second appearance will blow up like his first.
I don't think suicide bombers use clock timers.
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I heard he'll be attending Truck Driving school there.
More like he's going to become one of the seventy-whatever post-mortem virgins. I understand their stock is running low.
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I don't think suicide bombers use clock timers.
Actually they do. However, Daylight Savings Time kinda screws them up.
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9135/Three-suicide-bombers-exploded-prematurely-because-their-timers-were-set-on-Daylight-Savings-Time
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Actually they do. However, Daylight Savings Time kinda screws them up.
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9135/Three-suicide-bombers-exploded-prematurely-because-their-timers-were-set-on-Daylight-Savings-Time
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
See? More evidence of teh Jooz killing A-rabs. >:D
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Oh, look!
http://twitchy.com/2015/11/23/theres-a-shocker-family-of-ahmed-clock-kid-mohamed-demands-15-million-from-irving-texas/
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Oh, look!
http://twitchy.com/2015/11/23/theres-a-shocker-family-of-ahmed-clock-kid-mohamed-demands-15-million-from-irving-texas/
Funny, people can demand anything. They can even demand it in a lawsuit. Collecting is something entirely different.
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They deserve to cillect a meteor- at terminal velocity.
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The pre-trial discovery could be enlightening and possibly not in a good way for clock boy.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MnTjZZO44RQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
After 9 short months is Qatar, he is back in Texas.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20160629-clock-boy-ahmed-mohamed-on-life-in-qatar-what-he-s-learned-about-hate.ece (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20160629-clock-boy-ahmed-mohamed-on-life-in-qatar-what-he-s-learned-about-hate.ece)
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I wonder if he checked or carried-on his clock for the flight back?
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I wonder if he checked or carried-on his clock for the flight back?
Carried on.
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He still refers to his motley assemblage of used clock parts as an "invention."
What a dweeb. He is making progress, though -- he has moved from being an idiot to being an attention whore.
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He still refers to his motley assemblage of used clock parts as an "invention."
What a dweeb. He is making progress, though -- he has moved from being an idiot to being an attention whore.
Does that mean he's changing his name to Muhammad al-Kardashian?
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I wonder if he checked or carried-on his clock for the flight back?
"Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more" (Kansas)
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Now that the family is back in Texas, they have filed a lawsuit. I just saw a news snippet where the kid was being interviewed. He was on the verge of tears talking about how his home had been taken from him and how he has "lost his creativity". I guess the fact that POTUS brought him to the white house didn't give him a boost. Hopefully a Texas jury will see through this.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/08/family-muslim-teen-arrested-over-clock-files-lawsuit.html
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Now that the family is back in Texas, they have filed a lawsuit. I just saw a news snippet where the kid was being interviewed. He was on the verge of tears talking about how his home had been taken from him and how he has "lost his creativity". I guess the fact that POTUS brought him to the white house didn't give him a boost. Hopefully a Texas jury will see through this.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/08/family-muslim-teen-arrested-over-clock-files-lawsuit.html
His dad has been coaching him how to cry on cue.
When they lose the case, they'll probably try to sue the jury for being racist.
(I still think the school overreacted and Irving PD was heavy-handed. They took the bait)
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His dad has been coaching him how to cry on cue.
When they lose the case, they'll probably try to sue the jury for being racist.
(I still think the school overreacted and Irving PD was heavy-handed. They took the bait)
I also think there was an overreaction at the start of all this. The family has turned into the Kardashians of the Muslim community though.
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His dad has been coaching him how to cry on cue.
When they lose the case, they'll probably try to sue the jury for being racist.
(I still think the school overreacted and Irving PD was heavy-handed. They took the bait)
Yep. And just like with the black lives matter people instead of concentrating on when there is a legitimate complaint and working to correct the heavy handedness of police and lack of responsibility, they make it a religion/race thing.
We have legitimate problems with schools and police overreacting and acting in heavy handed manners. This is generally the fault of politicians and courts with allowing more and more violations of rights for the good of the children, zero tolerance, war on drugs, what have you. Instead of joining to condemn legitimate abuses/overreactions/etc they jump to identity politics and usually cling to bad examples i.e. Michael Brown and nothing gets fixed.
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Yep. And just like with the black lives matter people instead of concentrating on when there is a legitimate complaint and working to correct the heavy handedness of police and lack of responsibility, they make it a religion/race thing.
We have legitimate problems with schools and police overreacting and acting in heavy handed manners. This is generally the fault of politicians and courts with allowing more and more violations of rights for the good of the children, zero tolerance, war on drugs, what have you. Instead of joining to condemn legitimate abuses/overreactions/etc they jump to identity politics and usually cling to bad examples i.e. Michael Brown and nothing gets fixed.
And POTUS sticking his nose in, always only on one side of the equation, helps nothing. Well, it helps to fan the flames.
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What the last two guys said.
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His dad has been coaching him how to cry on cue.
When they lose the case, they'll probably try to sue the jury for being racist.
(I still think the school overreacted and Irving PD was heavy-handed. They took the bait)
The school did take the bait, but I think it is pretty clear it was bait and he was trolling for the "OMG a Bomb!" reaction. The school suspension might be a bit heavy, but far more justified than a lot of suspensions schools hand out. I don't see how there are any damages to sue over.
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Old topic, but in the news again. Clock Boy's lawsuit has been thrown out.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/01/10/clock-boy-loses-in-court-dads-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed/
He (actually his father) sued for defamation.
During the lengthy hearing, Judge Moore pressed Mohamed’s lawyer, Fort Worth attorney Susan Hutchison, to provide any facts that would suggest that Hanson and the other defendants had said anything false or defamatory about Mohamed or his son during the television broadcasts. After spending a painfully embarrassing 15 minutes flipping through reams of paper, Mohamed’s lawyer was unable to provide any such evidence.
During the hearing, AFLC co-founder and senior counsel David Yerushalmi explained to Judge Moore that the purpose of the lawfare-driven lawsuit was to intimidate into silence those who might comment publicly on the connection between jihad, terrorism, sharia, and Islam. As such, Yerushalmi argued, "this case is a classic Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation or ‘SLAPP’ case and should be dismissed.”
The article introduces a term I wasn't familiar with: "civilization jihad."
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The article introduces a term I wasn't familiar with: "civilization jihad."
"Jihad" is as widely used of a term as "Crusade" and "War". IE "War against Drugs", "Crusading against Homelessness", etc...
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In the 2008 terrorism trial United States v. Holy Land Foundation a document written by senior Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammad Akram was entered into evidence.
The document was called An Explanatory Memorandum: On the General Strategic Goal for the Group and it says that the purpose of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America is “a Civilization-Jihadist Process” and they are conducting a “grand jihad in eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated.”
The term “civilization jihad” is our enemy’s own name for efforts to subvert our society from within using the very freedoms they will then take away.
http://counterjihad.com/backgrounder/what-is-civilization-jihad/
In other words, jihad by social justice warfare. I'm not sure how that would differ from the Left's program.
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http://counterjihad.com/backgrounder/what-is-civilization-jihad/
In other words, jihad by social justice warfare. I'm not sure how that would differ from the Left's program.
In the only way that matters to leftists- its ends.
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"Jihad" is as widely used of a term as "Crusade" and "War". IE "War against Drugs", "Crusading against Homelessness", etc...
You insensitive bastard!
Don't you know that crusade is a hurty term to the jihadis and makes them feel all oppressed?
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You insensitive bastard!
Don't you know that crusade is a hurty term to the jihadis and makes them feel all oppressed?
Tit for tat. The jihadis like to refer to westerners as "crusaders," and Muslims don't have any problem mocking Christianity or defiling Bibles, but they don't like like to be called terrorists or jihadis unless they use the term, and they get all upset if a non-Muslim says anything remotely truthful bad about Islam.
I'll stop saying bad things about them when they stop doing bad things to us.
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"tit"
NOW YOU'RE SEXUALLY HARASSING EVERYONE!
And no, it's NOT XXX for tat, you white male privilege oppressor!
Grovel your penance! GROVEL!
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Can you people please stop triggering Mike Irwin?
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Can you people please stop triggering Mike Irwin?
I'm thinking full auto sear on the trigger.
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Now the family is told to pay court costs for a conservative they sued for defamation. A Jewish conservative. :rofl:
http://eagnews.org/clock-boy-defamation-case-explodes-in-court-ordered-to-pay-attorney-fees/
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Nice. I was wondering about that when I heard about the lawsuits. There were no grounds for them. Apparently the court agreed.
Now we see if the family tries to skip town without paying.
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Clock boy is back in the news. He lost again in court.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4522560/Federal-judge-dismisses-clock-boy-lawsuit.html
The judge wrote: 'Plaintiff does not allege any facts from which this court can reasonably infer that any IISD employee intentionally discriminated against Ahmed Mohamed based on his race or religion.'
Further, he notes that the suit failed to identify any policy, custom, or practice of the City that was allegedly the moving force behind any violation of Ahmed's Fifth Amendment rights.
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The judge said the failed to allege any facts from which the court could reasonably conclude that Ahmed was discriminated against based on his race or religion.
The ruling said the suit had: 'Absent allegations of intentional discrimination, or allegations from which the court can reasonably infer intentional discrimination, Plaintiff fails to allege an equal protection violation against the IISD.'
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Clock boy is back in the news. He lost again in court.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4522560/Federal-judge-dismisses-clock-boy-lawsuit.html
Although I'm sure they'd have liked to have won in court, I'm more than certain it was a matter of using the process as punishment in addition to the free publicity, useful for making the next kafir think twice about punishing a Muslim.
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Although I'm sure they'd have liked to have won in court, I'm more than certain it was a matter of using the process as punishment in addition to the free publicity, useful for making the next kafir think twice about punishing a Muslim.
Like the rainbow crowd.
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https://youtu.be/X7_0NoRHOEM
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Although I'm sure they'd have liked to have won in court, I'm more than certain it was a matter of using the process as punishment in addition to the free publicity, useful for making the next kafir think twice about punishing a Muslim.
Na, I'm betting more on looking for a payday.
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Na, I'm betting more on looking for a payday.
I would be curious if they were paying the lawyer or if someone else supported them in the effort.
I gotta wonder if it would be useful to hold such 3rd parties liable for the court costs.
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I would be curious if they were paying the lawyer or if someone else supported them in the effort.
I gotta wonder if it would be useful to hold such 3rd parties liable for the court costs.
Four letters. Starts with a C...
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Coin? Cash? Cows? Crow? Corn? Coop? Cafe? Cage? Cake? Calf? Calk? Call? Calm? Camp?
Cane? Card? Care? Carp? Cart? Cats? Cave? Cell? *let's not go there* (http://wordsthatstart.com/with-c-short/)?
:old:
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Four letters. Starts with a C...
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Could also be 6 + 5 letters. First word starts with a G, second with an S.
Coin? Cash? Cows? Crow? Corn? Coop? Cafe? Cage? Cake? *let's not go there*?
CAIR.
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Four letters. Starts with a C...
Misogyny!!
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Misogyny!!
Not four letters, and doesn't start with 'C.'
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Not four letters, and doesn't start with 'C.'
Well, "misogyny" doesn't...
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