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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on August 23, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
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By the same federal judge. Apparently passports are racist, and she was upset that they didn't include college IDs as acceptable identification. Because everyone knows colleges only give IDs to US citizens.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/23/federal-judge-again-throws-out-texas-voter-id-law.html
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Don't feel bad, I said REALLY bad things on my Facebook page about this "judge."
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Where is it written that judges can't be nincompoops at best and aholes at worst? :old:
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By the same federal judge. Apparently passports are racist, and she was upset that they didn't include college IDs as acceptable identification. Because everyone knows colleges only give IDs to US citizens.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/23/federal-judge-again-throws-out-texas-voter-id-law.html
Hmm...
ID's are handed out almost like candy by MOST organizations. Hell, the DOD issues CACs to non-citizens all the time.
I think that the question is whether the id adequately verifies the IDENTITY of the person in question. Not accepting college IDs might have a point - we're already looking at a dozen or so IDs for the poor poll workers to verify, and most of them are retired people volunteering their time.
Still, I think the answer is like what most of the rest of the world does when they require ID to vote(and most do!). Issue the ID for free. Done.
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Still, I think the answer is like what most of the rest of the world does when they require ID to vote(and most do!). Issue the ID for free. Done.
This. Why are we registering people to vote, w/o making sure they have a photo ID to use at the polls? If they register, and don't have a DL/passport/whatever, then they automatically get a free photo ID.
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A regular TX non-DL ID card is $16/6years. $2.67/year. If you can't come up with that, you're too stupid to vote.
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Post withdrawn by poster.
Don't feel bad, I said REALLY bad things on my Facebook page about this "judge."
Thanks for understanding, HeroHog.
But I'm glad I deleted that post. Phew!
Yes, all: Let your imaginations run wild.
Terry, 230RN
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Thanks for understanding, HeroHog.
But I'm glad I deleted that post. Phew!
Yes, all: Let your imaginations run wild.
Terry, 230RN
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Doesn't allowing a student ID for voter registration risk that an out of state student can now vote both at home and also near the college?
I've "heard" of that being done.
Not that any honorable person would do that... of course.
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Doesn't allowing a student ID for voter registration risk that an out of state student can now vote both at home and also near the college?
Very good point, though what I saw when I was in college was tons of booths setup to process residency changes and sign people up to vote dem. I'm sure there was a lot of lying and fudging going on though too, regarding residency.
College student voting can be worse than illegal voting IMO, at least locally/regionally, because they are like locusts - coming in to vote to raise taxes and pass stupid lefty regs at the local level, then leave before the consequences set in. All the local dem politicians practically camped out at UCSB during elections, because they could count on 20,000 votes, not to mention student activists to knock on doors. More often than not, the university population drove stupid crap to a win.
Back to the OP - I thought TX had written something in about free IDs for poor people? Regardless, yes - free official IDs that are correctly vetted are the way to go. That leaves no excuse for activist judges, though they'll come up with stuff like "no limo service to take the "disenfranchised" to an ID location". They just need to have a free ID station setup at the welfare office (where you have to show ID to get your money).
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ID's are handed out almost like candy by MOST organizations. Hell, the DOD issues CACs to non-citizens all the time.
Well, except they KNOW that the person is a non-citizen. I know the contractor ones are distinctly marked. Are non--citizen ones marked "foreign national"? I never saw a foreigner with CAC in my time.
Which is another problem that arises with IDs in general. Several states for instance, have non-citizen drivers licenses that are nearly identical to those for citizens. CA is probably the worst, and here you are automatically registered to vote when you get a license. And guess where 90% of the DMV employees are from? CA DMV is nearly a smuggler's substation for issuing fake papers to get people into the country.
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Huh. Wonder if we could try to get ID for firearm purchases struck down as unconstitutional as well. Voting has always caused more harm than folks buying firearms.
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When I last voted, they had an ipad-like machine that scanned your drivers license, and your name automatically popped up if you were on the register. They just confirmed that it was you, and you got your ballot. Really quick and easy, and no long paper lists to check. I was impressed.
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Doesn't allowing a student ID for voter registration risk that an out of state student can now vote both at home and also near the college?
I've "heard" of that being done.
Not that any honorable person would do that... of course.
Honestly, the way I look at it, registering to vote should handle all questions of citizenship and whether you're registered to vote somewhere else.
Voter ID should ONLY be to answer whether you're the person the registration is for.
A regular TX non-DL ID card is $16/6years. $2.67/year. If you can't come up with that, you're too stupid to vote.
While I might normally agree with you, it's such a low fee that while I might have it be $16 to replace the darn thing, I'd issue the base copy(and any required renewals) for free for the same reason Ben said - it leaves activist judges no excuse.
Though Ben - I'm pretty sure that most welfare collectors don't have to show up in the welfare office anymore. Remember, they're all issued their benefits on prepaid cards and such these days. Enrollment online, through their Obama-phone, etc... They aren't being issued checks, much less cash.
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A while back I had to take my father to get his ID. (He was legally blind, but needed an ID card for reasons).
This was in Indiana.
Identification Cards in Indiana
Indiana offers a non-driver ID card for residents who either do not wish or are unable to obtain a driver's license. You should consider applying for an IN state identification (ID) card if you're an Indiana resident without a driver's license but need identification to prove your age, identity, or residence.
Indiana ID Card Eligibility Requirements
The Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) now issues an identification card called the SecureID to residents who do not wish to carry a license to drive. However, if you do not have all of the required documents, you may still apply for an Indiana non-SecureID as an acceptable form of identification at the voting polls.
There is NO minimum age requirement for obtaining an Indiana ID card.
NOTE: You cannot hold an Indiana ID card and driver license at the same time.
What this leaves out is that ID cards in Indiana are Free. (DL's are $6, IIRC.)
So no excuse for not having ID to vote.
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We may as well acknowledge that the Left's position on this is really very simple.
1. They want to herd as many of the "right kind" of people into the voting booth as they can.
2. They want to use Voter ID as a wedge issue, about which they may lobby charges of bigotry.
We can argue all day long, and prove they're wrong, but Lefties gonna left.
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Yes, but they shut the hell up when Indiana said "Fine, State ID's are Free, so it's not a poll-tax."
That's all states have to do is make ID's Free. You can still charge for DL's, because driving is a privilege. And make it an either or choice.
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Though Ben - I'm pretty sure that most welfare collectors don't have to show up in the welfare office anymore. Remember, they're all issued their benefits on prepaid cards and such these days. Enrollment online, through their Obama-phone, etc... They aren't being issued checks, much less cash.
Okay, I concede the point. I thought they still have to be there in person the first time to apply, but I guess that's not the case anymore.
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Anything Texas does short of explicitly giving voter ID cards to illegal aliens will be struck down. Democrats are still pissed that Texas switched from D to R sometime back in the late 60's or 70's. (most were very conservative Southern Democrats that bore no resemblance to today's DNC, except for Travis County) And they rely on voter fraud.
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We may as well acknowledge that the Left's position on this is really very simple.
1. They want to herd as many of the "right kind" of people into the voting booth as they can.
2. They want to use Voter ID as a wedge issue, about which they may lobby charges of bigotry.
We can argue all day long, and prove they're wrong, but Lefties gonna left.
To give equal time however, we can argue that the Right wants to exclude as many of the 'wrong kind' (voting Democrat) out of the voting booth as they can. Unless you think that the Right is interested in this issue solely out of a sincere belief to protect the integrity of the voting process, regardless of how the vote goes.
Having said that, I am not opposed to a photo ID requirement, if the photo ID is readily accessible and free, so it does not act as a quasi poll tax.
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To give equal time however, we can argue that the Right wants to exclude as many of the 'wrong kind' (voting Democrat) out of the voting booth as they can. Unless you think that the Right is interested in this issue solely out of a sincere belief to protect the integrity of the voting process, regardless of how the vote goes.
Having said that, I am not opposed to a photo ID requirement, if the photo ID is readily accessible and free, so it does not act as a quasi poll tax.
No, I only want those that are entitled to vote, voting. And my polling place contains the precinct for a large college. For example, in referenda here in Illinois, if you don't vote on the question, then it is considered the same as a "NO" vote (or a "YES" depending how Mike Madigan chooses to have the question worded). Last spring we had lots and lots of college students voting. But many only voted for President/Vice President, leaving the referenda question blank (making it a "NO" vote). Others just checked the first box for each local office. Many voted to raise a local tax. (Because rich people need to pay their fair share, fortunately it failed). But with Bernie (and to a lesser extent Ted Cruz) off the ballot, we went from over 600 college students voting in the primary to 12 in the General. (they are all in one precinct.)
So I wonder how many voted in their Home of Record (residency) state, and how many did the Illinois same day registration/vote back in April last year?
I don't care who or how they vote. I just want them to:
1. Be citizens
2. Vote where they live. (and only vote once, because they have skin in the game that will affect them. )
For every other interaction with the .gov you need Photo Id that proves you are a citizen, why not for the most way you interact with .gov ??
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I agree with Scout for the reason I like the idea, and MillCreek for the reason politicians want it.
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To give equal time however, we can argue that the Right wants to exclude as many of the 'wrong kind' (voting Democrat) out of the voting booth as they can.
Considering how many of that "wrong" kind of voter tends to be illegal (or dead, or otherwise ineligible to vote), who can blame them?
I'm 73 years old and I have never belonged to any political party so, irrespective of either party's motives, MY interest is the legitimacy of the process. I think anyone registering to vote should provide a birth certificate + photo ID, or a passport. And anyone showing up to vote should provide a government-issued photo ID.
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To give equal time however, we can argue that the Right wants to exclude as many of the 'wrong kind' (voting Democrat) out of the voting booth as they can. Unless you think that the Right is interested in this issue solely out of a sincere belief to protect the integrity of the voting process, regardless of how the vote goes.
If having a legitimate ID is an impediment to the dependent class voting itself more free crap, I'm fine with it.
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Anything Texas does short of explicitly giving voter ID cards to illegal aliens will be struck down. Democrats are still pissed that Texas switched from D to R sometime back in the late 60's or 70's. (most were very conservative Southern Democrats that bore no resemblance to today's DNC, except for Travis County) And they rely on voter fraud.
I am not sure of the exact year, but the first R governor wasn't until the 80's and things didn't really swing until Gov. Ann Richards was voted out and all the crap surrounding the Clinton administration really moved things to the point that ALL statewide offices are held by R's. In the 90's, the national Dem Party was going full Leftist. The mythical "moderate democrat" pretty much ceased to exist (at least here).
Now there are people that still vote Dem in local elections. I think the small town I grew up in is that way even still. But most of those people will vote R in statewide and national elections.
Side Note: I don't think Ann Richards would have won the governors office the first time, but a man named Clayton Williams was running against her. He decided to make a joking comment about rape to the point that if it is inevitable then women should just lie back and take it. I think it was not intended to be recorded, but a microphone caught it and he tanked.
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Still, I think the answer is like what most of the rest of the world does when they require ID to vote(and most do!). Issue the ID for free. Done.
They did that. There was a provision in the law that allowed people who could not afford the fee to get a state issued ID for free.
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A couple other things I would like to see (just my opinion for discussion):
1. Get rid of early voting. At least restrict people to only their regular polling place. They allow you to vote at any polling place in your county during early voting. IMO, it just provides time for people to vote multiple registrations and do it such that no one polling place will remember them. I have heard people suggest making it a national holiday. Not sure that is needed.
2. Get rid of 3rd party registration. IMO, you should have to go to a govt office to register. If you cannot trouble yourself to do that, then you don't need to be voting anyway.
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A couple other things I would like to see (just my opinion for discussion):
1. Get rid of early voting. At least restrict people to only their regular polling place. They allow you to vote at any polling place in your county during early voting. IMO, it just provides time for people to vote multiple registrations and do it such that no one polling place will remember them. I have heard people suggest making it a national holiday. Not sure that is needed.
2. Get rid of 3rd party registration. IMO, you should have to go to a govt office to register. If you cannot trouble yourself to do that, then you don't need to be voting anyway.
Yes on both. In fact, there should be NO early voting, other than absentee ballots -- and those should be very strictly limited. Election day should be election day, not "whenever" day.
Absolutely, registration only at the office set aside for registering. No third parties.
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It appears this has now been kinda sorta reversed. An appeals court is allowing a temp workaround from now through 2018 with the following caveat:
Voters without a qualifying photo ID will be allowed to cast a ballot if they present an alternative form of ID and declare, under penalty of perjury, that they face a reasonable impediment to obtaining qualifying photo ID.
I still don't know what an impediment is to getting a free voter ID. If TX were smart, they would have ID stations that are open evenings and weekends (and maybe they do), which would eliminate the "but I have to work" excuse. Also for those who "can't afford it", free bus rides to any ID station.
Under the caveat, you could print an ID on your computer and bring that in with some lame excuse for why you can't get an official ID.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/09/06/texas-can-use-its-new-voter-id-law-in-november-after-all-appeals-court-rules/
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I thought they did that last election. Essentially if you insisted, you could cast a provisional ballot.
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IIRC the revised law allows a person to vote if they show some form of photo ID along with corroborating location data. In other words they could vote by bringing any form of a "non-official" photo ID along with an electric bill or property tax statement in their name to show they actually reside in the voting district.
Brad
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/20803/report-voter-fraud-may-have-tipped-nh-hillary-2016-joseph-curl
The article suggests that the presidential election and a Senate race may have been hacked, via New Hampshire's motor voter law.