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Title: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2017, 12:43:36 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/ai-can-tell-if-youre-gay-artificial-intelligence-predicts-sexuality-one-photo-661643
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AI Can Tell If You're Gay: Artificial Intelligence Predicts Sexuality From One Photo with Startling Accuracy

AI got gay-dar.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPk00Rm5S3w
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 08, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
I question the concept.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/07/new-artificial-intelligence-can-tell-whether-youre-gay-or-straight-from-a-photograph

There's an old saying: "Correlation does not establish causation."

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The research found that gay men and women tended to have “gender-atypical” features, expressions and “grooming styles”, essentially meaning gay men appeared more feminine and vice versa. The data also identified certain trends, including that gay men had narrower jaws, longer noses and larger foreheads than straight men, and that gay women had larger jaws and smaller foreheads compared to straight women.

Human judges performed much worse than the algorithm, accurately identifying orientation only 61% of the time for men and 54% for women. When the software reviewed five images per person, it was even more successful – 91% of the time with men and 83% with women. Broadly, that means “faces contain much more information about sexual orientation than can be perceived and interpreted by the human brain”, the authors wrote.

The paper suggested that the findings provide “strong support” for the theory that sexual orientation stems from exposure to certain hormones before birth, meaning people are born gay and being queer is not a choice. The machine’s lower success rate for women also could support the notion that female sexual orientation is more fluid.

Or maybe the findings support the notion that gay people tend to act like gay people, and adopt expressions and mannerisms they consider appropriate for their adopted lifestyle. While there may be some correlation, I don't see anything from the description of the study that could realistically demonstrate that gay-ness stems from pre-birth hormone confusion.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
The computer also says you Feel the Bern.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/12/artificial-intelligence-face-recognition-michal-kosinski
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
As if I needed further reasons to avoid having my picture taken.

I wonder if you can become a mail order Amish ...
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2017, 04:08:10 PM
As if I needed further reasons to avoid having my picture taken.

I wonder if you can become a mail order Amish ...


"Mail Order Amish" - sounds like the title of my next Christian romance best-seller.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Firethorn on September 12, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/07/new-artificial-intelligence-can-tell-whether-youre-gay-or-straight-from-a-photograph

There's an old saying: "Correlation does not establish causation."

What causation are you looking for here?

All that is necessary is a strong enough correlation.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2017, 06:14:50 PM
What causation are you looking for here?

All that is necessary is a strong enough correlation.


Did you read the rest of his post?
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: zxcvbob on September 12, 2017, 09:19:31 PM
It's a recruitment tool.  "Are you sure you're not gay?  Try it, you might like it!"   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: charby on September 12, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
I'm surprised that no one has asked if you (fistful) have tried it yet.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2017, 11:15:59 PM
Oh no. Do you think I could be one of the gays?  =(

Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: freakazoid on September 12, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
Really? I'm the first with this. =D
(https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1466/77/1466773458217.jpg)
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Firethorn on September 13, 2017, 12:00:10 AM
Or maybe the findings support the notion that gay people tend to act like gay people, and adopt expressions and mannerisms they consider appropriate for their adopted lifestyle. While there may be some correlation, I don't see anything from the description of the study that could realistically demonstrate that gay-ness stems from pre-birth hormone confusion.

Are you suggesting that they're having cosmetic surgery to obtain narrower jaws, longer noses, and larger foreheads for the guys, and larger jaws and smaller foreheads for the women?

Hair style is one thing.  Those things are hard to change.

And that's without things like us being able to tell gay brains from straight brains using things like MRIs.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: Scout26 on September 13, 2017, 01:14:47 AM
Oh Yeah ?!?!?!  I think the computer is gay !!!!!


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: charby on September 13, 2017, 07:37:29 AM
Oh no. Do you think I could be one of the gays?  =(



Gay-dar at level 10  ;)
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: MechAg94 on September 13, 2017, 12:11:03 PM
Are you suggesting that they're having cosmetic surgery to obtain narrower jaws, longer noses, and larger foreheads for the guys, and larger jaws and smaller foreheads for the women?

Hair style is one thing.  Those things are hard to change.

And that's without things like us being able to tell gay brains from straight brains using things like MRIs.
I am not seeing that in the article.  It looks like it is a mix of facial features as well as hair style and such.  You are implying it is purely based on inherited features.
Title: Re: The computer says you're a gay
Post by: HeroHog on September 13, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
That's gay!  :P

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