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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Pb on September 11, 2017, 12:24:50 PM
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I despise the GOPe.
http://tennesseestar.com/2017/07/19/commentary-weak-kneed-paul-ryan-stalls-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/
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I despise the GOPe.
http://tennesseestar.com/2017/07/19/commentary-weak-kneed-paul-ryan-stalls-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/
Where did I put that... AH, here it is:
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I despise the GOPe.
I despise Paul Ryan.
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This is just infuriating.
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Why do you think that damn near anything requires Congressional legislation in the Trump agenda is stalled ??
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Why do you think that damn near anything requires Congressional legislation in the Trump agenda is stalled ??
Those in charge of the Republican Party do not want any other outsider candidates getting the idea that they can just come in and take over the party. You don't just walk into a polictical party and get to snag big, top spots like POTUS. There are people who've been there for decades, and it is THEIR turn. How dare you take what others have worked sold their souls for?
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Why do you think that damn near anything requires Congressional legislation in the Trump agenda is stalled ??
McConnell has done his part to make that happen also.
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McConnell has done his part to make that happen also.
True. I despise him, too.
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It's not so much that the GOPe dislike the legislation. It's that they intensely dislike Trump, and refuse to advance any legislation he favors. It's personal for them.
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It's not so much that the GOPe dislike the legislation. It's that they intensely dislike Trump, and refuse to advance any legislation he favors. It's personal for them.
Agreed. But, when next November rolls around, it's going to be personal for a lot of voters who voted R with the expectation that certain things, such as the repeal of Obamacare and national carry reciprocity, would be enacted. If that doesn't happen, I expect that a lot of incumbent Rs will be kicked out. The question is, will their seats be taken by Democrats, or by Republican challengers?
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My guess is that 2018 will see an end to the Rino majority in Congress and the Dems will hold majorities in both houses.
An absolutely classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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My guess is that 2018 will see an end to the Rino majority in Congress and the Dems will hold majorities in both houses.
An absolutely classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I expect much the same thing. The Republican base essentially has no one to vote for going forward. Tired of having been lied to repeatedly, Republican conservatives will stay home in disgust, leaving a wide open field for the (socialist) Democrat party to sweep the elections.
Everyone has been crowing about the demise of the Democrat party after the last election cycle. What we may really be seeing is the demise of the Republican party, and their death will have been self-inflicted out of spite for Trump.
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My guess is that 2018 will see an end to the Rino majority in Congress and the Dems will hold majorities in both houses.
An absolutely classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Being leadership in stronghold states has it advantages. When you're the minority party, your warchest gets nice and full. I'm not saying they're in it for the money, but they're in it for the money.
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My guess is that 2018 will see an end to the Rino majority in Congress and the Dems will hold majorities in both houses.
An absolutely classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Though we'll get the same, "But you have to vote for the milquetoast GOPe candidates or you'll get the liberal candidates!". Which often works to keep the GOPe in, but I'm not seeing it for 2018.
Unless some things rapidly (and miraculously) turn around, we're looking a a pissed off electorate that voted for "Trump change (or "burn it down") and are seeing nothing. And it's not all Trump's fault. It's not only the "resistance" dems, but the status quo GOPe who have blocked health care reform, tax reform, and immigration, to name the big three for most R voters.
Shining on reciprocity is just another heaping spoonful of crap on the crap sandwich they're making us eat. I'll be interested to see what the NRA backlash will be on this and what their PR message will be in 2018 elections if national reciprocity doesn't go through. I think it coud have a big impact on R candidates in certain states.
Historically, the probability of a mid-term majority flip is already high. The GOPe is simply giving that probability a boost. Sometimes I think the "e" contingent of the GOP has as little understanding of the "deplorables" as the dems do.
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The NRA will back A-rated candidates, and oppose the F-rated, right? Don't they always? We have to vote for [insert local Congressperson] so he can go (back) to Washington, and fight for Trump's agenda!!
As for the rest, I am expecting the usual "but my Congressman's one of the good guys" logic.
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I am waiting to find out what is being done by the Trump backers to make sure there are Republican challengers in the primaries for these GOPe congressmen. If Trump himself backs that up with some campaign stops, he could potentially do a lot to clean house in Congress. A percentage of Repub voters don't like Trump, but I think even those voters like Ryan and the do-nothing Congress a lot less. Essentially, I think a lot of this can be cleaned up if the right moves are made and publicized. If not, yes, the Republican dominance that appears to be in place now can easily end.
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What I'm hearing from the local insiders is that the Rs are nervous as hell about the midterm and the 2020 elections, and are trying to avoid taking a strong stand on hardcore Republican and Trump issues. Why? The fear is that there will be a backlash against all things Republican and Trump in the next two national elections, given some of the polling numbers, and that there will be a swell of voters out to throw out anyone supporting Trump and his agenda. So, the current Rs in office are not using the power of the majority they have out of fear of losing it next elections.
So, if this is accurate, you can expect nothing out of the Rs for the next 2-4 years, despite holding a majority with an R in the Oval Office, because they are afraid that if they do something, people might not vote for them in the future...
I'm personally not a fan of statutory term limits, but things like this sure make me understand why some people are. Career politicians more concerned with keeping the job than doing it in the first place.
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Back to the OP, my belief is that if national reciprocity is not passed pre-2018 elections, we likely won't see it at all in the foreseeable future.
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Why? The fear is that there will be a backlash against all things Republican and Trump in the next two national elections, given some of the polling numbers, and that there will be a swell of voters out to throw out anyone supporting Trump and his agenda. So, the current Rs in office are not using the power of the majority they have out of fear of losing it next elections.
Which once again goes back to them not understanding "the deplorables". That "backlash" will more likely come from the conservative side rather than the general voting public. Many of the R seats up for grabs are in districts where people wanted to see at least some of this agenda get done. If they see kowtowing to dems and general groveling, those voters will simply stay home.
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Which once again goes back to them not understanding "the deplorables". That "backlash" will more likely come from the conservative side rather than the general voting public. Many of the R seats up for grabs are in districts where people wanted to see at least some of this agenda get done. If they see kowtowing to dems and general groveling, those voters will simply stay home.
I agree. If nothing changes, I plan on staying home. Why would I want to vote for people who lie to me and spit on me?
Right now, almost everyone in the country hates congress. If they actually acted sort of conservative, then at least the conservatives would like them.
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There are more Trump voters then the GOPe thinks. And they will sit out the midterms, if Congress doesn't move on the Trump Agenda. The failure of Obamacare repeal has REALLY pissed off a lot of R voters. That should have been a slam dunk. It should have been passed by Congress on 19 Jan 2017 and waiting for Trump to sign it on 20 Jan 2017. They had been talking (and voting for) repeal for YEARS !!!! And then when they get a chance to do it, they failed. Miserably.
I hope there a lot of challengers to the incumbents. R's or L's that will burn it down.
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There are more Trump voters then the GOPe thinks.
Heck, lets not even narrow it down to "Trump voters". There were plenty of people that didn't like Trump that voted third party or write-in. They are as sick of the GOPe as Trump voters are, and thus create an even larger voting (or staying at home) block.
Though I'll be curious to see if dems can actually spin up any viable competition. Given what happened in these recent special elections, I don't think the dem establishment quite has a grasp on their base - at least the base that takes up all the geography just inland of the East and West coasts.
I've been reading a lot in the City Data forums just to get local insights on various parts of Idaho. Boise is getting quite purple and has a large contingent that consider themselves far left/progressive. They think progressives in San Francisco, Portland, etc. are looney tunes.
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One thing that will likely be different in 2018 is that Trump is going to be much less supportive of Republican Congress-folk that he perceives as his enemies than previous GOP presidents were. On the other hand, how angry or dissatisfied will Republican voters (or Dem voters) be, if the economy continues to improve?
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Heck, lets not even narrow it down to "Trump voters". There were plenty of people that didn't like Trump that voted third party or write-in. They are as sick of the GOPe as Trump voters are, and thus create an even larger voting (or staying at home) block.
Though I'll be curious to see if dems can actually spin up any viable competition. Given what happened in these recent special elections, I don't think the dem establishment quite has a grasp on their base - at least the base that takes up all the geography just inland of the East and West coasts.
I've been reading a lot in the City Data forums just to get local insights on various parts of Idaho. Boise is getting quite purple and has a large contingent that consider themselves far left/progressive. They think progressives in San Francisco, Portland, etc. are looney tunes.
How many potential Republican voters actually voted 3rd party, write-in, or stayed home last November? I thought 3rd party numbers were single digit and that was the leftist ones. Do you have numbers on that?
I thought it was mostly the stay-home voters who came out and voted for Trump. If someone gives them a reason to come out and vote again, they may do just that.
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What I'm hearing from the local insiders is that the Rs are nervous as hell about the midterm and the 2020 elections, and are trying to avoid taking a strong stand on hardcore Republican and Trump issues. Why? The fear is that there will be a backlash against all things Republican and Trump in the next two national elections, given some of the polling numbers, and that there will be a swell of voters out to throw out anyone supporting Trump and his agenda. So, the current Rs in office are not using the power of the majority they have out of fear of losing it next elections.
So, if this is accurate, you can expect nothing out of the Rs for the next 2-4 years, despite holding a majority with an R in the Oval Office, because they are afraid that if they do something, people might not vote for them in the future...
I'm personally not a fan of statutory term limits, but things like this sure make me understand why some people are. Career politicians more concerned with keeping the job than doing it in the first place.
That is my biggest problem with the establishment Republicans. They are always afraid of something and so won't take any action. Fear seems to be a big part of their decision making...........and excuse making. It is why they despised by a large number of their own voters.
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What I'm hearing from the local insiders is that the Rs are nervous as hell about the midterm and the 2020 elections, and are trying to avoid taking a strong stand on hardcore Republican and Trump issues. Why? The fear is that there will be a backlash against all things Republican and Trump in the next two national elections, given some of the polling numbers, and that there will be a swell of voters out to throw out anyone supporting Trump and his agenda. So, the current Rs in office are not using the power of the majority they have out of fear of losing it next elections.
So, if this is accurate, you can expect nothing out of the Rs for the next 2-4 years, despite holding a majority with an R in the Oval Office, because they are afraid that if they do something, people might not vote for them in the future...
I'm personally not a fan of statutory term limits, but things like this sure make me understand why some people are. Career politicians more concerned with keeping the job than doing it in the first place.
I am a fan of statutory term limits.
That said, I think if the Rs believe they're helping themselves by NOT moving proactively on Trump's agenda, they're making a plotically fatal mistake. They don't seem to understand that they have a majority on both houses of Congress because of Trump, and that the people who elected rump expect the Republicans to come through on the things that were part of the Republican platform. Such as repeal of Obamacare, and national carry reciprocity. If we don't get that, heads are going to roll, and it won't be Trump's head because everyone can see that the Republicans are doing everything they can to sabotage him.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-fear-flood-of-centrist-retirements-ahead-of-2018-elections/article/2633892
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-fear-flood-of-centrist-retirements-ahead-of-2018-elections/article/2633892
Sounds to me like some of them see challengers in the next primary and they don't think they can win. I hope more join him.