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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on November 04, 2017, 06:29:03 PM
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Since Paul is reported to be okay, I'll get political and hope it wasn't a conservative who attacked him.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/11/04/blindsided-sen-rand-paul-assaulted-in-his-home-in-bowling-green/
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On November 4th? ANTIFA!
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It says he was attacked by a neighbor, so I would guess it's some non-political dispute between the two. Plus, the neighbor is a boy named Rene. Johnny Cash warned us about that type.
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It says he was attacked by a neighbor,
Oh, that's an update since I first read the story. Yeah, might just be a feud.
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Latest report says the dude was a registered Democrat.
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According to The Daily Wire, local police are calling it politically-motivated.
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According to The Daily Wire, local police are calling it politically-motivated.
Unpossible. Democrats are the people of peace and goodwill.
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Unpossible. Democrats are the people of peace and goodwill.
It's not his fault. I'm sure Paul triggered him in some way.
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Scratch the "minor injuries" as reported by the MSM. Five broken ribs.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/11/05/can-lead-to-life-threatening-injuries-rand-pauls-minor-injury-not-so-minor-after-all/
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5 ribs? That's some serious shirt! I guess antifa day was off by a day?
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It's not his fault. I'm sure Paul triggered him in some way.
Sure he did. The neighbor is a Democrat and a doctor. He's probably irked that Rand is trying to repeal Obamacare.
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Scratch the "minor injuries" as reported by the MSM. Five broken ribs.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/11/05/can-lead-to-life-threatening-injuries-rand-pauls-minor-injury-not-so-minor-after-all/
Stafford said Sunday that the broken ribs include three displaced fractures, which can lead to life-threatening injuries.
I am going to assume that messed up a lot of cartilage also. Sounds painful. I am curious how the attack went down.
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I am curious how the attack went down.
Since the attacker is a lefty I'm going to go with "from behind, with no warning whatsoever".
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Since the attacker is a lefty I'm going to go with "from behind, with no warning whatsoever".
From what I read (somewhere) Paul had dismounted from a riding mower, and was blind-sided while looking at something in his lawn. So, yeah.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-grateful-overwhelming-support-assault-181355554--election.html
Jim Skaggs, a member of the state Republican Party executive committee, lives in the neighborhood and has known both men for years. He said they disagreed politically, but was shocked to hear of the incident.
"They were as far left and right as you can be," Skaggs said. "We had heard of no friction whatsoever other than they just were difference of political opinion..."
Nope -- couldn't have been political.
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Obviously this is a clarion call for the need for more gun control.
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Obviously this is a clarion call for the need for more gun control.
Obviously.
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Heard on the news this morning that Paul has 5 broken ribs and is having a lot of difficulty with it.
Given that level of injury, it's very likely that the assault 4th degree (which appears to be a misdemeanor) might well be upgraded to assault 2nd degree, which is a class C felony and carries jail time of between 5 and 10 years.
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Heard on the news this morning that Paul has 5 broken ribs and is having a lot of difficulty with it.
Given that level of injury, it's very likely that the assault 4th degree (which appears to be a misdemeanor) might well be upgraded to assault 2nd degree, which is a class C felony and carries jail time of between 5 and 10 years.
But the poor, misunderstood neighbor was a Democrat, so that makes it OK.
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But the poor, misunderstood neighbor was a Democrat, so that makes it OK.
But he is also a Doctor, which makes it bad. Hippocratic oath and all that. Or is it the Hypocrite oath?
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As someone who has had busted ribs, it hurts just to breathe. And I hope doc does get charge with a felony. These leftist loons have no problems resorting to violence..
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"These leftist loons have no problems resorting to violence.."
But it's not violence when it's Bash the Fasc!
One of these days one of those numbnuts is going to try it with the wrong person and get lit up.
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Since the attacker is a lefty I'm going to go with "from behind, with no warning whatsoever".
Whoa, hey! Another attack from the right handed majority. :P
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Broken ribs are extremely painful. I broke a couple ribs trying to dismount from an ornery horse last summer and I was in pain for probably three to four weeks and lingering minor pain for another month or so. I don’t believe I had the separation they are talking about with his ribs either. There is almost nothing they can do with ribs either. They don’t even recommend binding them anymore. Just live with the pain.
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There is almost nothing they can do with ribs either. They don’t even recommend binding them anymore. Just live with the pain.
And try REALLY HARD not to cough ...
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And try REALLY HARD not to cough ...
Or sneeze. Dry heaves will damned near make you beg for death.
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Broken ribs are extremely painful. I broke a couple ribs trying to dismount from an ornery horse last summer and I was in pain for probably three to four weeks and lingering minor pain for another month or so. I don’t believe I had the separation they are talking about with his ribs either. There is almost nothing they can do with ribs either. They don’t even recommend binding them anymore. Just live with the pain.
I cracked one about 6 years ago, just about the same time I got bronchitis. That was the first (and last) time since 1997 that I intentionally got "feeling no pain" drunk because we were in a hotel with no doc-in-a-box or even retail nearby, just a bar downstairs. Took all the aspirin, ibuprofen and naproxen in the bugout bag, washed them down with Glendronach and Guinness until I was seriously concerned about being able to find the room, got another beer to go, and finished it off while some hotel employee guided me from the elevator to my room. I vaguely remember thinking I should have had a couple more as I tried to settle into a recovery position on the bed, on the hurt side first, and waking up coughing a few times during the night, but the sedative effect of that much alcohol did its job pretty well.
After that (until my idiot ex brother in law found them) I kept at least 10 5mg Norco (in the original prescription bottles) in each bugout bag.
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As someone who has had busted ribs, it hurts just to breathe. And I hope doc does get charge with a felony. These leftist loons have no problems resorting to violence..
IMHO, that is becoming more and more obvious in the last year or two. I have heard people talk about right wing fascists all my life, but the people I see today that would stomp on my rights in a heartbeat and never look back are leftists like this. They can justify any amount of evil if they think it gets them closer to what they call "good".
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I cracked a couple of ribs back in the 1980s. OH MY GOD that hurt!
Then, back in the middle 1990s I was at the driving range and ripped some intracostal cartilage. I tried to soldier through it, but when I started waking myself up in stabbing pain when I rolled over at night, I finally broke down and got some Tylenol 3 from the doctor.
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News today said they are looking at upping the charges to felony level assault.
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But I thought punching nazis was our patriotic duty, or something. How can it be a crime? ???
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rand-pauls-neighbors-rip-media-landscaping-dispute-reports/article/2640090
Some neighbors are now saying that Paul has been a model neighbor, and took good care of his lawn. They don't buy that it was a landscaping issue.
The assaulty neighbor is one of the impeach!! loons.
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Six broken ribs and a pleural effusion?
If that doesn't qualify as second degree assault I don't know what would.
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Six broken ribs and a pleural effusion?
If that doesn't qualify as second degree assault I don't know what would.
Yeah, seems kinda ridiculous this hasn't been upgraded yet.
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Yeah, seems kinda ridiculous this hasn't been upgraded yet.
It's been almost a week. I'm starting to think the police approve of the attack.
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Fox News says that federal charges are about to be filed, due to the political motive.
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Nice.
Interesting how all of his neighbors reporters have talked to have pretty uniformly said that the "it was a landscaping dispute" reason fronted by major news outlets was BS, and that they have apparently had political arguments before. It didn't stop the guy's lawyer from fronting the yard issue and claiming, in a left handed sort of way, that EVERYONE in the neighborhood had issues with how Paul kept his yard.
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I still don't see what the big deal was. The guy was just refusing fascism.
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So Paul gets blindsided, goes down in severe pain. Expects attack to possibly continue. Would he have been justified in using deadly force?
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So Paul gets blindsided, goes down in severe pain. Expects attack to possibly continue. Would he have been justified in using deadly force?
Seems like an obvious yes, if the guy's still there when Paul manages to produce a firearm.
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See what happens when you're on grass?
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Paul returned to Congress yesterday and apparently cast several votes.
What I don't understand is why this is taking so freaking long to charge the attacker with a freaking felony.
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Paul returned to Congress yesterday and apparently cast several votes.
What I don't understand is why this is taking so freaking long to charge the attacker with a freaking felony.
As I said, the Feds approve of the attack, so they are very reluctant to punish the guy.
Honestly, I don't see any other explanation.
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IMO, if they don't charge the guy, he could certainly sue.
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As I said, the Feds approve of the attack, so they are very reluctant to punish the guy.
Honestly, I don't see any other explanation.
Screw the Feds and their charges. Kentucky has a perfectly valid case to charge the guy, and HAS charged the guy with misdemeanor assault, but Paul's injuries should more than qualify for felony assault.
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Screw the Feds and their charges. Kentucky has a perfectly valid case to charge the guy, and HAS charged the guy with misdemeanor assault, but Paul's injuries should more than qualify for felony assault.
Give the DA a bit of time. They want to make they have a solid case.
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Give the DA a bit of time. They want to make they have a solid case.
... can't tell if sarcasm...
In the event that it's not, just what evidence do they expect to find? Unless they are pursuing a conspiracy charge and plan on charging other people, I cannot imagine there being anything else for them to investigate.
Did violent neighbor tackle Senator Paul? Does Senator Paul have serious and potentially life threatening injuries as a result of that attack? That's all they need for felony charges. (And, for the Feds, it's: "Did violent neighbor attack Rand Paul? Is Mr. Paul a sitting Senator?")
I suppose there is one other possibility. If they are wanting to charge terrorism, they could be looking more deeply. However, my faith in the law enforcement community to do their jobs and punish violent leftists is waning significantly. (Which REALLY ought to frighten the leftists, but they don't seem to care the kind of resentment that unequal application of the laws engenders.)
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Terrorism is a Fed charge.
Given that he's already been charged at a state level, I doubt that the Fed.gov people are telling Kansas to hold off until they do.... something.
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Terrorism is a Fed charge.
Given that he's already been charged at a state level, I doubt that the Fed.gov people are telling Kansas to hold off until they do.... something.
Kansas? Do you think the conspiracy was that far-flung? :O
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What ever godforsaken place he calls home...
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makattak remarked,
"However, my faith in the law enforcement community to do their jobs and punish violent leftists is waning significantly."
It is with great sadness that I say I've been feeling that way for quite a while now.
Terry, 230RN
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I think it was bigger news when whatshisface got attacked by his treadmill.
If this were the reverse, and someone broke a couple of, say Schumers ribs they'd be up in arms about the violent right wing nut jobs. Even if it was just a "landscaping dispute".
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Does Senator Paul have serious and potentially life threatening injuries as a result of that attack? That's all they need for felony charges.
IIRC, the Kentucky standard for "serious" injury is similar to Texas; prolonged impairment. Pretty easy argument that multiple broken ribs qualify.
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I'm not going to let this fall off the radar. A lunatic attacked a sitting Senator, who has (STILL!) life-threatening injuries from the attack and all the attacker is facing is misdemeanor assault.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/22/opinions/kelley-paul-since-the-attack-opinion/index.html
The average person takes 20,000 breaths a day. Since November 3, my husband, Rand Paul, has not taken a single one without pain. He has not had a single night's sleep uninterrupted by long periods of difficult breathing or excruciating coughing.
STILL no movement on this, three weeks after the attack. This is getting beyond "curious" in the inaction.
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It's possible he himself wants to soft-pedal it for now, for "PR," "Political," or "look at what a humanitarian I am" reasons.
Or maybe he's just out of it for a while on pain killers.
On the third hand, maybe the jurisdictional District Attorney is one of those Democrats.
Or they're figuring out jurisdiction in the first place.
I don't want to see it drop off APS' page one either. To me, it seems to be a great example of left-wingers' passionately self-righteous insanity.
Terry, 230RN
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A lunatic attacked a sitting Senator,
Paul's job shouldn't make a difference. If the attack was on a nobody would you still push for a felony charge?
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Yes.
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Paul's job shouldn't make a difference. If the attack was on a nobody would you still push for a felony charge?
Yes!
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Paul's job shouldn't make a difference. If the attack was on a nobody would you still push for a felony charge?
No, it should. I'd still push for a felony, but not a federal one for it.
Elected people are not special, but their office is.
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Paul's job shouldn't make a difference. If the attack was on a nobody would you still push for a felony charge?
Based on the degree of injury, absolutely.
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https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
I wonder if this comes down to a disagreement over how to mow the lawn: height of grass and clippings disposal.
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https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
I wonder if this comes down to a disagreement over how to mow the lawn: height of grass and clippings disposal.
After the person of the year thing, I'm interested in anything GQ has to say...
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https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
I wonder if this comes down to a disagreement over how to mow the lawn: height of grass and clippings disposal.
I read somewhere that there are some trees on Rand Paul's property that the neighbor didn't like because they blocked part of his view to the lake.
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https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight
I wonder if this comes down to a disagreement over how to mow the lawn: height of grass and clippings disposal.
Multiple other articles include statements from just about ALL the neighbors in that subdivision (not just "Bowling Green" in general), and they all agreed -- every single one of them -- that Paul keeps his yard meticulously cut.
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I read somewhere that there are some trees on Rand Paul's property that the neighbor didn't like because they blocked part of his view to the lake.
Second rule of real estate: If you like the view ... buy it.
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Multiple other articles include statements from just about ALL the neighbors in that subdivision (not just "Bowling Green" in general), and they all agreed -- every single one of them -- that Paul keeps his yard meticulously cut.
Mr. Paul was characterized as cutting his lawn to a 'nub' while his neighbor kept it at 'a luxurious 2.5-3 inches'. Here in the Seattle area, most lawn care people recommend keeping our grass at 2.5-3 inches.
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I do a great job of keeping my lawn at magnificent 4-6". Sometimes I splurge and go for a decadent 8-10".
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Mr. Paul was characterized as cutting his lawn to a 'nub' while his neighbor kept it at 'a luxurious 2.5-3 inches'. Here in the Seattle area, most lawn care people recommend keeping our grass at 2.5-3 inches.
Depends on the grass; compare a putting green and fairway sometime. There are grasses that prefer being kept short, and others that do well with a close crop a few times a year and taller the rest of the time.
Still not something I'd tackle a neighbor over, though.
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What the hell...
Numerous news articles had, I thought, quoted neighbors as saying that there were no issues with how Paul maintained his lawn.
And this whole freaking article just drips of "small town hero liberal" vs "evil Trumpite."
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According to Rand Paul, after his neighbor blindsided him he told him why, and it was the first words they had exchanged in nearly 10 years ....
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Noting how both parties in this matter are middle-aged physicians, both of whom are characterized as somewhat rigid and inflexible, I am not surprised by this at all. I see this sort of behavior and attitude every day. Anesthesiology and ophthalmology are not medical specialities that attract physicians known for their people skills.
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According to Rand Paul, after his neighbor blindsided him he told him why, and it was the first words they had exchanged in nearly 10 years ....
:mad:
So... what did the neighbor say???? ???
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I see that GQ went out of their way to push the "IT'S NOT A POLITICAL ATTACK!" and only interview people hostile to Senator Paul.
Really not seeing anything in that propaganda that adds any useful information.
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I do a great job of keeping my lawn at magnificent 4-6". Sometimes I splurge and go for a decadent 8-10".
"Prairie restoration"
(There was someone in Urbana when we were there, in the west part heavy with academics and univ. associated people, that argued that.)
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So... what did the neighbor say???? ???
WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY, KENNETH?
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Looks like there's a pre-trial conference scheduled for Rand's attacker on 12/19:
http://www.targetliberty.com/2017/12/rand-paul-reveals-what-happened-when-he.html (http://www.targetliberty.com/2017/12/rand-paul-reveals-what-happened-when-he.html)
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^^^I think it is telling that Mr. Paul is not revealing what the assailant said in terms of why the attack occurred. I am thinking it was about something as picayune as the lawn, and not the political motivation that so many people are wishing for.
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^^^I think it is telling that Mr. Paul is not revealing what the assailant said in terms of why the attack occurred.
I agree. He would be talking about it (and fundraising off it) every chance he got if it were a political hit. Instead he's being very coy about it.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/intrigue-grows-over-what-sparked-the-attack-on-rand-paul/2017/12/06/3fde5cc0-d312-11e7-95bf-df7c19270879_story.html?utm_term=.b43142c842a7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/07/rand-pauls-beating-and-the-violent-history-of-lawn-maintenance/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.61196306a590
More grass on the fire.
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I hope Paul wasn't touching him inappropriately or something...
Unless it's something REALLY big, it really doesn't matter why the guy blitzed Paul. What matters is that he assaulted, and caused serious injury to, another person.
And I still want to know why the guy isn't charged with a felony.
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And I still want to know why the guy isn't charged with a felony.
Because it was just a petty little disagreement over the lawn! Who hasn’t hospitalized their neighbor over their lawn?
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I'm reviving this thread with an update: Rand Paul's assailant has been charged with federal felony assault, and has apparently chosen a plea deal rather than a trial.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2018/01/19/rene-boucher-harged-felony-assault-against-bowling-green-neighbor-rand-paul/1049945001/
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^^^ Huh. Senator Paul stacking brush in a pile seems to have been the last straw for the neighbor.
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^^^ Huh. Senator Paul stacking brush in a pile seems to have been the last straw for the neighbor.
I guess I need to launch an assault on a couple of my neighbors.
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I would so be figuring out a way to use a rusty TransCamaroBird as a brush pile holder at that point.
Maybe an Airstream with the top opened up.
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^^^ Huh. Senator Paul stacking brush in a pile seems to have been the last straw for the neighbor.
You shouldn't be so lacking in sympathy. Don't you understand? The neighbor could see the brush pile from his house!
(https://i.imgur.com/FrH2ZXS.jpg)
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The locals should have charged him with a felony. It bothers me a bit that the feds have done so, because an attack on one of them (whether politically motivated or not) is so much worse than an attack on one of us pee-ons. :mad:
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It's fortunate that Dr. Boucher doesn't live next door to me. He would have died of apoplexy years ago.
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It's fortunate that Dr. Boucher doesn't live next door to me. He would have died of apoplexy years ago.
Apoplexy or dog mauling. And if the latter, I'd be suing his estate for the cost of the dog's therapy.
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Apoplexy or dog mauling. And if the latter, I'd be suing his estate for the cost of the dog's therapy.
That'd be Alpoplexy
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^ :D Wish I'd thought of that, but <groan> anyway.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/kentucky-man-pleads-guilty-to-attack-on-sen-rand-paul-that-broke-lawmaker-s-ribs.html
The Feds want to send the anesthesiologist away for 21 months. I wonder if they cut a deal such that he can keep his medical license. In most states, a felony conviction is an automatic loss of your healthcare professional license.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/kentucky-man-pleads-guilty-to-attack-on-sen-rand-paul-that-broke-lawmaker-s-ribs.html
The Feds want to send the anesthesiologist away for 21 months. I wonder if they cut a deal such that he can keep his medical license. In most states, a felony conviction is an automatic loss of your healthcare professional license.
I thought the psycho neighbor was already retired. If so, why would he care about his license? Though after the fine and likely civil suit he might have to un-retire to pay that all off.
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2 years isn't bad, but we will see what kind of judge this is.
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Hey, the longer he spends in the slammer, the less he has to look at Rand Paul's pile of lawn clippings.
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2 years isn't bad, but we will see what kind of judge this is.
Seems awfully light punishment for bum-rushing a guy and breaking his ribs.
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Seems awfully light punishment for bum-rushing a guy and breaking his ribs.
What is common for an assumed first time offender in local courts for assault and battery with serious injury? I figured it wouldn't be far off from that, but I don't know.
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What is common for an assumed first time offender in local courts for assault and battery with serious injury? I figured it wouldn't be far off from that, but I don't know.
That's probably about right. Maybe five probation.
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30 days in the slammer, one year of supervised release, 100 hours community service, $10,000 fine.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/neighbor-who-attacked-rand-paul-sentenced-to-30-days-in-prison.html
Honestly I'm a bit shocked. I figured a slap on the wrist and a fine. This is substantially more than anticipated.
Brad
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One month in jail for aggravated assault is pretty solidly in "slap on the wrist" territory in my book....
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One month in jail for aggravated assault is pretty solidly in "slap on the wrist" territory in my book....
If it were just that, I'd agree. However, he's got a $10k fine, 100 hrs of community service, supervised release (i.e. ankle monitor), and is now a convicted felon. The fact that he didn't get it it finagled down to some kind of misdemeanor is very surprising.
Brad
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30 days in the slammer, one year of supervised release, 100 hours community service, $10,000 fine.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/neighbor-who-attacked-rand-paul-sentenced-to-30-days-in-prison.html
Honestly I'm a bit shocked. I figured a slap on the wrist and a fine. This is substantially more than anticipated.
Brad
"Supervised release' means that Mr Paul can make as much noise making as large of brush piles as he wants for a year...I'd start my yard work at 6AM on sunday mornings, because I'm an *expletive deleted*hole. >:D
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One month in jail for aggravated assault is pretty solidly in "slap on the wrist" territory in my book....
I would guess most first time offenders (Especially a doctor) would get some form of a suspended sentence for 6 months to a year as long they stay out of trouble.
30 days jail, etc. is pretty harsh for a first time offense.
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One month in jail for aggravated assault is pretty solidly in "slap on the wrist" territory in my book....
Agreed.
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Best part for Paul is this is now officially legal history. So the next time there will be a much higher bar to the neighbor being the aggrieved party.
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One month in jail for aggravated assault is pretty solidly in "slap on the wrist" territory in my book....
A violent unprovoked assault on an innocent person resulting in severe injury. One month in jail. Disgusting.
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A violent unprovoked assault on an innocent person resulting in severe injury. One month in jail. Disgusting.
One month in jail, 100 hrs community service, $10k fine, and convicted felon. I agree with the others, I suspect that's pretty much in line with other folks that have enough cash to hire a lawyer and are making their first run through the system. Even with the growth of what charges are felonies, being a felon is no small thing.
It also seems like Senator Paul isn't too upset with his punishment. At least he isn't decrying that the Dr. got away with it. If the victim isn't too worried, I'll save my outrage.
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"Supervised release' means that Mr Paul can make as much noise making as large of brush piles as he wants for a year...I'd start my yard work at 6AM on sunday mornings, because I'm an *expletive deleted*hole. >:D
Why does that make me think of the scene in Animal House where they have to chainsaw a dead horse to get it out of the dean's office?
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100 hrs community service
That's 2.5 (regular 40 hour) weeks, so it may end up being the most painful part of the sentence if the judge is creative.
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That's 2.5 (regular 40 hour) weeks, so it may end up being the most painful part of the sentence if the judge is creative.
Doing Rand Paul's yard work?
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Doing Rand Paul's yard work?
He's a doctor; handling all the urology, proctology, gynecology and dermatology issues at the nearest homeless shelter would be a possibility.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/690169411/jury-awards-sen-rand-paul-more-than-580-000-in-damages-in-attack-by-neighbor
Senator Paul gets the big bucks from a personal injury lawsuit.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/690169411/jury-awards-sen-rand-paul-more-than-580-000-in-damages-in-attack-by-neighbor
Senator Paul gets the big bucks from a personal injury lawsuit.
I was thinking that the felony charge (even with lower jail time) helped justify the civil suit. It is enough of a sting to make the guy think a little before he decides to go off in a rage.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/690169411/jury-awards-sen-rand-paul-more-than-580-000-in-damages-in-attack-by-neighbor
Senator Paul gets the big bucks from a personal injury lawsuit.
More journalistic fail:
The attack was not politically motivated, according to Boucher, but was prompted by Paul leaving brush and leaves between their two properties.
It is highly unlikely that the developer left an un-deeded, no-man's land strip between Paul's property and Boucher's property. Therefore, Paul almost certainly did not leave anything "between" their two properties. He may have piled brush and leaves on his property, near the line with Boucher's property, but unless that violated a regulation of the HOA, there's nothing wrong with that. And, if it did violate an HOA regulation, it would seem that the appropriate recourse would have been to report it to the HOA for enforcement, not a physical assault.
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I don't see that as journalistic fail.
I see that was reporting Boucher's contention, that the material was left "between" their properties. My guess is that he actually means "between the respective houses."