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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Scout26 on December 07, 2017, 12:17:30 PM
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While the D governor of Minnesota gets to name replacement resulting in no net change in the Senate, the bumbling ass that is Franken is gone.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/12/07/breaking-sen-al-franken-resigns-following-sexual-misconduct-allegations/
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I wonder if he gave Diane Feinstein a farewell squeeze on the way out...
Nothing makes me happier than to see this smug sack of crap crawl off.
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Looking forward to see the even worse replacement.
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Did you notice, as I did, that when Franken referred to his replacement he said "she"?
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Al Franken -- poster child for liberal hypocrisy:
http://www.startribune.com/sen-al-franken-announces-he-is-resigning/462545273/
Franken said in his speech that he had been excited about growing awareness of mistreatment of women, and consequences for the men who mistreat. “I was excited about the conversation and I hoped it would result in real change. Then the conversation turned to me,” he said.
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Did you notice, as I did, that when Franken referred to his replacement he said "she"?
Yes. Could be because he already knows that the replacement will be the female Lt. Governor ... or it could be that it was his last gasp at trying to play the champion of women.
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Al Franken -- poster child for liberal hypocrisy:
http://www.startribune.com/sen-al-franken-announces-he-is-resigning/462545273/
Franken said in his speech that he had been excited about growing awareness of mistreatment of women, and consequences for the men who mistreat. “I was excited about the conversation and I hoped it would result in real change. Then the conversation turned to me,” he said.
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to fall over laughing at that!
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While I don't have any love for Franken, I do see a potential problem with him (and Conyers, and other dems) "voluntarily" resigning.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, note this is purely from a strategic POV, vs them being scumbags and whether the allegations against them are true or not. I'm somewhat biased to this POV because I was wondering about it a couple of weeks ago already, but also heard some pretty strong arguments from political strategists on the teevee this morning.
The problem with Franken, et.al. resigning is that, with the general population at least, it potentially puts the dems on the high road (or a perception thereof). If Moore doesn't resign*, they can rope him in, along with Trump, as examples of Rs not holding the high ground regarding behavior they preach about all the time, while the dems, "took care of our problems". And really, so far it hasn't hurt the dems. The seats will almost certainly filled by other dems, and are in districts where Rs stand little chance of getting a seat.
I can easily see these dem resignations as acceptable collateral damage to them if they think it can put them in a catbird seat, or conversely, give the Rs problems, especially in 2018. I think the dems would like nothing better than to continually toss out the, "sexual predator Trump should resign" line. Or, "Rs should not support Trump, just like we didn't support our guys".
I also read this morning that there are potentially 20-30 more pols about to have sexual harassment claims thrown against them. I can't believe they will only have a "D" next to their name.
Anyway, tinfoil off.
* I generally agree with the comments in the Moore thread here. He might be guilty of some stuff, but the allegations from so long ago coming out at exactly the most damaging time for him are fishy. Nevertheless, even if he is 100% innocent, if he's elected now that these dem resignations have occurred, the accusations will be a ball and chain around him and the Republican party for his entire time in office. In some ways it might be best for him to take one for the team, much as Franken has (whether willingly or unwillingly) done.
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* I generally agree with the comments in the Moore thread here. He might be guilty of some stuff, but the allegations from so long ago coming out at exactly the most damaging time for him are fishy. Nevertheless, even if he is 100% innocent, if he's elected now that these dem resignations have occurred, the accusations will be a ball and chain around him and the Republican party for his entire time in office. In some ways it might be best for him to take one for the team, much as Franken has (whether willingly or unwillingly) done.
Probably not for his entire time in office. Neither the media nor the populace today has the patience to remember anything longer than about ten days. If he gets elected, there will be some noise about this for a short time, and then the liberals will be off an some other "issue" and Moore's dating preferences from thirty years ago will be forgotten.
Unless he does something stupid, like proposition an intern in his office.
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I also read this morning that there are potentially 20-30 more pols about to have sexual harassment claims thrown against them. I can't believe they will only have a "D" next to their name.
Maybe the first? https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/arizonas-trent-franks-expected-resign
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Point of order: Franken said he will resign "in a few weeks." He is still in office. He did not set a date to resign. A few weeks could be 3 or it could be 53.
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Point of order: Franken said he will resign "in a few weeks." He is still in office. He did not set a date to resign. A few weeks could be 3 or it could be 53.
This is true.
I wonder - are there any legal or procedural hurdles if 15 weeks from now (when this is no longer fresh in people's minds) he says, "My colleagues and constituents have convinced me that leaving would be a mistake and the best thing for me to do is remain in office."?
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Point of order: Franken said he will resign "in a few weeks." He is still in office. He did not set a date to resign. A few weeks could be 3 or it could be 53.
He's probably negotiating with the governor and his state's Democratic party apparatus regarding who will be tapped to replace him. Once that has been settled, he'll go. Plus, since he has indicated that he "will" resign, he may have forestalled the ethics investigation he himself called for -- and then claims would be too great a distraction to allow him to do his work.
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He's probably negotiating with the governor and his state's Democratic party apparatus regarding who will be tapped to replace him.
He's probably also asking the D leadership "What's in it for me if I resign?"
Look for him to land a cushy consultant's job, a phony-baloney (but well paid) DNC position, or a series of lucrative speaking engagements somewhere.
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He's probably also asking the D leadership "What's in it for me if I resign?"
Look for him to land a cushy consultant's job, a phony-baloney (but well paid) DNC position, or a series of lucrative speaking engagements somewhere.
As long as that piece of filth is out of an official job, I'm fine with it.
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As long as that piece of filth is out of an official job, I'm fine with it.
The sad news is that he'll be collecting a pension for the rest of his life.
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He's probably also asking the D leadership "What's in it for me if I resign?"
Look for him to land a cushy consultant's job, a phony-baloney (but well paid) DNC position, or a series of lucrative speaking engagements somewhere.
I have heard it suggested that if Moore is elected and decides to stay in office, he may decide not to resign.
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The sad news is that he'll be collecting a pension for the rest of his life.
Cheap at twice the price. And at the rate we're going, joke will be on him anyway when inflation catches up.
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Sitting back and looking at this remotely, this is actually kind of worrying.
By forcing Conyers and Franken out of the party, the Democrats are trying VERY hard to establish a party-line moral superiority on this issue that they can use as a bludgeon with voters come election time, and the Republicans/Trump are not helping themselves in the least.
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Sitting back and looking at this remotely, this is actually kind of worrying.
By forcing Conyers and Franken out of the party, the Democrats are trying VERY hard to establish a party-line moral superiority on this issue that they can use as a bludgeon with voters come election time, and the Republicans/Trump are not helping themselves in the least.
Yup. Again, the Democrats are playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers.
Chris
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. . . By forcing Conyers and Franken out of the party,. . .
Not to nitpick, but I don't believe they're being forced out of the party . . . they're being encouraged to leave office.
And I've little doubt that there's a "carrot and stick" approach being used behind the scenes, with some very tangible reward payoff being dangled in front of them if they resign.
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Yup. Again, the Democrats are playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers.
Chris
You say that like they're even playing. At times they're more like the chubby kid no one likes sitting off in the corner picking his nose and eating the buggers.
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Point of order: Franken said he will resign "in a few weeks." He is still in office. He did not set a date to resign. A few weeks could be 3 or it could be 53.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Local conservative talk show host has a conspiracy theory. Franken is going to wait until the result of the Moore election - if he wins, he'll use it as fodder for why he shouldn't need to resign if Moore doesn't.
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Again, from a purely strategic viewpoint: If Moore wins, I hope Franken does do an about face and chooses to stay. Because that would pretty much kill most of the "high road" narrative of the Dems.
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Well, that grand chess Gambit would work if the Dems had more people able to drive a few feet down a moral high road without hitting a phone pole or dead hooker. I think we can concede that both parties are the gift that keeps on giving.
I want to get back to the meat and potatoes of Dem corruption, stuff like Corrine Brown and Hillary do. And why is Brown going to prison? Her stuff looks like page two of Hillary's charge sheet.
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Sitting back and looking at this remotely, this is actually kind of worrying.
By forcing Conyers and Franken out of the party, the Democrats are trying VERY hard to establish a party-line moral superiority on this issue that they can use as a bludgeon with voters come election time, and the Republicans/Trump are not helping themselves in the least.
I've already started to see stuff like that.
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Has anyone on the Republican side other than Moore been accused of actually doing something? His is the only name I can think of. I realize Democrats assume Trump is guilty, but no one has ever claimed he actually did anything.
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Has anyone on the Republican side other than Moore been accused of actually doing something? His is the only name I can think of. I realize Democrats assume Trump is guilty, but no one has ever claimed he actually did anything.
Trent Franks, a representative (?) from Arizona.
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Has anyone on the Republican side other than Moore been accused of actually doing something?
Well, Rand Paul taunted that poor guy with his lawn mower.
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Remember...
If Moore actually wins, Republicans have already said that they will look at immediately expelling him from the Senate.
If that does happen, and the Republicans actually do something, that means that the governor would appoint a new senator.
Kay Ivey is a Republican, and she's pretty conservative, so chances are the replacement would be similarly conservative.
I wonder if Trump throwing his support behind Moore is nothing more than a calculated move that would secure the seat AND ensure that someone other than Moore holds it.
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Remember...
If Moore actually wins, Republicans have already said that they will look at immediately expelling him from the Senate.
If that does happen, and the Republicans actually do something, that means that the governor would appoint a new senator.
Kay Ivey is a Republican, and she's pretty conservative, so chances are the replacement would be similarly conservative.
I wonder if Trump throwing his support behind Moore is nothing more than a calculated move that would secure the seat AND ensure that someone other than Moore holds it.
Do you think Trump is that Machiavellian smart? ???
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Do you think Trump is that Machiavellian smart? ???
Trump has either amazing instincts or a highly strategic mind. (I'm guessing it's a mix of the two).
Trump has many faults, among which are that he is immoral (likely amoral), egotistical, and crass. But he is by no means stupid.
He does not appear to be eloquent (I'm uncertain if he does his "big, beautiful, wonderful" superlatives as a shtick or because that's how he actually thinks and talks), but he knows how to use language to get things accomplished.
So, yes, Trump may very well be that smart.
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Do you think Trump is that Machiavellian smart? ???
Maybe, maybe not.
But remember, there are a LOT of VERY smart people on the Republican side who have Trump's ear. Or the ear of people who have Trump's ear.
Unfortunately, though, Fox is now reporting that the Democrat has a 10 point lead over Moore.
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RCP shows Moore still up. Although this could go any way.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html
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I read a blurb on RCP a week or so ago that explained why the polls in the AL Senate race have no idea who's going to win. It boiled down to this is such a strange election that no one has any real idea what a "likely voter" is, and sample selection causes polls to swing wildly.
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And this is what Fox News is saying.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/fox-news-poll-enthused-democrats-give-jones-lead-over-moore-in-alabama.html
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Trump has either amazing instincts or a highly strategic mind. (I'm guessing it's a mix of the two).
Trump has many faults, among which are that he is immoral (likely amoral), egotistical, and crass. But he is by no means stupid.
He does not appear to be eloquent (I'm uncertain if he does his "big, beautiful, wonderful" superlatives as a shtick or because that's how he actually thinks and talks), but he knows how to use language to get things accomplished.
So, yes, Trump may very well be that smart.
He's certainly not eloquent!
I'm not saying he's stupid....but he does often seem insensitive to the consequences of some of his .... communications. I don't hold it against him that he "hits back" when hit, but he seems to do so indescriminantly without a lot of thought to there being some circumstances where it would be wiser to adopt a poker face.
While I support maybe 97% of what he does I think of him as being rather crude and unrefined.
I'm not certain I would say he's immoral, or amoral.....that depends upon the truth of some of the background blather. I suppose if one enjoys adolescent locker-room boasting, then yes, he's crude.
But then, LBJ urinated in the Rosegarden and picked his beagle dog up by its ears, so Trump is nothing really new....
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Maybe, maybe not.
But remember, there are a LOT of VERY smart people on the Republican side who have Trump's ear. Or the ear of people who have Trump's ear.
Unfortunately, though, Fox is now reporting that the Democrat has a 10 point lead over Moore.
Ha! Here's one that Fox is scwewing up on!
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And of course, the New York Times is screeching that the race is already decided because of "EVIL PHOTO VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS!!!"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/opinion/roy-moore-alabama-senate-voter-suppression.html?_r=0
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I think that Trump is waving the red flag in front of the media with his left hand, just to get them spun up on crap that really doesn't matter. In the mean time the important stuff is getting done by his right hand. (Judges, undoing Obama EO's, rules and regulations, Reducing the size of the Fed.gov and spending.) (Yeah, the last two aren't huge, but for once there is less spending and fewer federal employees. Not slowing the rate of spending and .gov growth, but actually reducing $$$ spent and headcount.)
Covfefe !!!
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So Megyn Kelly, who seems to have caught the TDS, had three Trump accusers on her show today. I don't know about the seriousness of the other two women's allegations, but the third woman is claiming sexual harassment over him asking her for her phone number. Wouldn't that make pretty much every male in the world a sexual predator?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/12/11/i-wish-i-had-been-stronger-then-accuser-recalls-time-trump-asked-for-her-phone-number/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveBannen/status/940266380057858048
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Well, here we go:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/12/18/doggone-it-they-really-like-him-dem-senators-urge-al-franken-not-to-resign-eye-roll/
In some ways, I would like to see this happen. Thy would go from their "high road" plan to having zero credibility on their attacks on Rs. As smarmy as Franken is, pretty much anyone who replaces him would be voting the same as him anyway, so no net loss or gain for Rs.
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OOOOO! I know the proper response to this!
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And the media will completely ignore the hypocrisy and, if questioned, the Dem response will be "It worked, didn't it?"
The Democrats are so predictable, it's almost funny.
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Don't you love how the media and legal system is still vigorous in pursuing Roy Moore's crimes? =D
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Anyone see that Joe Manchin is urging Franken NOT to resign and is calling out his Democrat colleagues for being scalp-hunting hypocrites?
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Yep, heard that this morning.....This is my shocked face.... ;/
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Well, it's been a couple of weeks now and he still hasn't left yet. Ah, I see that he has slated January 2, 2018 as his last date. We'll see if he's a liar or not.
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Well, it's been a couple of weeks now and he still hasn't left yet. Ah, I see that he has slated January 2, 2018 as his last date. We'll see if he's a liar or not.
Probably a political reason to wait for the New Year, like how long an appointed replacement can serve before an election takes place, plus he probably gets perks like health insurance and what not for all of 2018 (speculation).
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Now it is official. Franken has left the building.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/02/al-franken-resigns
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Now would be the time to vote through a bunch of legislation....
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Now would be the time to vote through a bunch of legislation....
:rofl: As though the Republicans have the spine for that sort of thing.
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:rofl: As though the Republicans have the spine for that sort of thing.
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What is this "spine" of which you speak?