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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on April 15, 2018, 11:56:52 AM
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Ha ha. I feel bad for the guys who got arrested, but it's simple schadenfreude to watch the left turn on one of their flagships. =D
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/04/15/an-extra-shot-of-karma-starbucks-gets-boycotted-by-the-angry-frothy-leftist-mob-they-all-but-created/
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So the manager will continue to work there?? No repercussions because it wasn't their 'intent' for the arrest to happen?
Well, as we all learned from Hillary's email scandal, no intent = no foul.
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Time out! You call the cops and complain that two people are trespassing, but you didn't expect them to be arrested? Tell me again how you got to be a manager.
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Time out! You call the cops and complain that two people are trespassing, but you didn't expect them to be arrested? Tell me again how you got to be a manager.
While working at bars I called Law Enforcement numerous times to issue trespassing warnings. the vast majority (I'd estimate mid 90%) of the time no one was arrested. The cops show up, I point the person out, they tell them to leave, and they do. You have to have a pretty decent does of entitlement, plus a chip on your shoulder, to sit there and argue the trespass warning with a cop to the point you get arrested. And that's with drunk folks.
I suspect a coffee shop manager has called plenty of times to get homeless folks, phone charging squatters, and the like to leave and hasn't yet run across an ego big enough to tell the police NO. So he wasn't expecting an arrest. The problem is once you call the cops in, it's hard to call them off.
I wonder what the gentlemen were doing that caused the manager to want them to leave?
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I wonder what the gentlemen were doing that caused the manager to want them to leave?
There could be (likely is) more to the story. On the current reporting, they were there to meet a friend, who did show up after the cuffs were on. I'm not sure why there would be a problem with that, or from the other perspective, why the two guys couldn't have bought their coffee while they waited for their friend.
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I'm not sure why there would be a problem with that, ...
Egos.
The manager says, in so many words, "respect my authority." The two men say, in so many words "make us." The cops say, in so many words, "leave or be arrested." No one backs down so the cops do what cops do. None of the three sides had the balls to stand up and say, "This is a mistake, let me fix it by ..."
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While working at bars I called Law Enforcement numerous times to issue trespassing warnings. the vast majority (I'd estimate mid 90%) of the time no one was arrested.
This. Unless they have a previous "and don't come back" trespass warning or a protective order on file, the police will only arrest them if they refuse to leave upon being told to either by or in the presence of the officers. If you want to add the "and don't come back," they'll be IDd and a fairly simple form filled out, so they can be arrested without further warning if they do return.
Given that it was Philly, I doubt the cops had the time or the inclination to argue as much as they might have in a less busy place; 1-2 orders to move along, then put the cuffs on.
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The story as I have seen it reported goes like this:
Two guys come in and ask to use the bathroom.
Store employee says it is for paying customers only and then asks them to leave.
The guys say no.
Store manager calls the cops.
The cops ask the guys to leave because the manager has said they are no longer welcome.
The guys refuse.
The cops call for the supervisor and ask them again to leave a two more times.
The guys keep refusing.
Cops cuff them and then release them because Starbucks didn’t want to charge them.
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From TJ Sotomayor: Full Video Of Men Arrested In Starbucks For Being Black!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fBOQCfx6xc&ab_channel=TNNRaw
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Josh Pray's take: Before we Boycott Starbucks let’s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJg_hoHIIw&ab_channel=JoshPray
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TJ Sotoymaor's thoughts: 2 Black Men Arrested In Philly Starbucks For Being Black But This Brother Has A Different Take!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3gDwjfC3c&ab_channel=TNNRaw
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This weekend I drove past that new Starbucks they built in Ferguson, Missouri. I guess that really helped, didn't it?
(Not to mention it's twice as far from the scene of the shooting, as the Starbucks that was already there, inside a Target store. In a town with an even larger percentage of black residents. But hey, the new one is in the Ferguson city limits, so that means they care.)
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TJ Sotoymaor's thoughts: 2 Black Men Arrested In Philly Starbucks For Being Black But This Brother Has A Different Take!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3gDwjfC3c&ab_channel=TNNRaw
But they weren't arrested for being black. They were arrested for trespassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRHkAXiqfVQ
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That you're trying to reframe the conversation using facts means you're nothing but a white privilege racist!
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"Johnson said managers will now receive training on “unconscious bias.”"
From a Philadelphia Inquirer article.
The manager in question has also "left the company" through a "mutual decision."
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But they weren't arrested for being black. They were arrested for trespassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRHkAXiqfVQ
This.
Were they singled out for being black by the manager? Maybe.
But they were arrested for trespass.
I'm not a big fan of the police. But this one is (maybe) all on the starbucks manager.
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True, they weren't arrested for "being black" but that is the spin the racial agitators are putting on it.
Watch
TJ Sotoymaor's thoughts: 2 Black Men Arrested In Philly Starbucks For Being Black But This Brother Has A Different Take!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3gDwjfC3c&ab_channel=TNNRaw
through to the END and you will see that he AGREES with you.
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Y'know, Starbucks has annoyed me plenty in the past, I can't stand the cramped stores, it's all the way across town, I'm tired, and I'm not in the best financial shape to be buying a fancy coffee.
But I'm about to strap my bike shoes back on and ride 3 miles each way for a cup of overpriced foo-foo coffee, just to vicariously piss in the Cheerios of all the people screaming for a boycott. Here's hoping it works as well as all the times they've boycotted Chik-Fil-A.
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Decent crowd, and everybody's got a cup in front of them. Going into a place of business and paying for something is such a novel concept.
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Decent crowd, and everybody's got a cup in front of them. Going into a place of business and paying for something is such a novel concept.
Were there any protesters outside?
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While I don't go there often, I've never been to a Starbucks that stopped folks from using the restroom until you buy something. To the extent that a manager went out of his or her way to stop these guys from going to the restroom, maybe that was a little over the top. Then again, maybe in that shop they've got more issues with that and have had to establish a policy. That part of the story smells a little me.
All that said, once the guys refused to leave at the request of the employees, then refused three times to leave when asked nicely by the cops, they earned their bracelets.
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Decent crowd, and everybody's got a cup in front of them. Going into a place of business and paying for something is such a novel concept.
Well of course! Otherwise, they would call the cops and they would get arrested!
=D
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Were there any protesters outside?
Well, there was a guy who seemed a little bitchy about the lack of ashtrays on the patio...oh wait, that was me.
Stopping by the shop to mount one of those silly cupholders on the bars delayed me a bit, so it was a little dark for the photo.
(https://s6.postimg.cc/42ikk639d/image.jpg)
But McDonald's recognizes my evil plan.
(https://s6.postimg.cc/54sr2pecx/image.jpg)
(I don't know why McD's WiFi times out trying to post to APS. Works on other SimpleMachines BBs, but this won't actually get posted until the laptop connects somewhere else...and that'll be a while because I'm waiting to see if a certain brunette shows up. The "buy something, then hang out" trick never fails here, though.)
While I don't go there often, I've never been to a Starbucks that stopped folks from using the restroom until you buy something. To the extent that a manager went out of his or her way to stop these guys from going to the restroom, maybe that was a little over the top. Then again, maybe in that shop they've got more issues with that and have had to establish a policy. That part of the story smells a little me.
Most places won't if you go in and straight to the bathroom; you're in a restaurant (of sorts) so it's reasonable that you might want to wash your hands before handling product. Apparently, they sat for a while before one headed to the House at Poo Corner.
All that said, once the guys refused to leave at the request of the employees, then refused three times to leave when asked nicely by the cops, they earned their bracelets.
This. And the ones bitching about the cops can't get it through their heads that it's not the PD's choice, period. Has nothing to do with the the reason the person in control of the property wants them gone. I could've had the state trooper that was in the shop removed by PD and/or sheriff for having a dumb looking mustache, but he was paying for just under $700 worth of repairs that I did last week, of which roughly $300 is my labor commission, so I let him stay. (Now if I had a full week of days like that one, I'd stop wasting time looking for an evening part time job until closer to next winter's slump.)
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When it rains, it pours. Like United Airlines and any of a number of other companies, once the first complaint hits the airwaves, the spinoffs start rolling in.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/16/black-man-videotapes-starbucks-refusal-let-him-use-restroom/521233002/
Save your Starbucks cup for the next time you need to hang out there for awhile.
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Y'know, Starbucks has annoyed me plenty in the past, I can't stand the cramped stores, it's all the way across town, I'm tired, and I'm not in the best financial shape to be buying a fancy coffee.
But I'm about to strap my bike shoes back on and ride 3 miles each way for a cup of overpriced foo-foo coffee, just to vicariously piss in the Cheerios of all the people screaming for a boycott. Here's hoping it works as well as all the times they've boycotted Chik-Fil-A.
Actually, we're already boycotting Starbucks for their myriad of virtue signalling to the left.
So, I'm going to sit back and drink some not-Starbucks and just smile at the left eating their own. :rofl: (Ok, maybe more than smile.)
It doesn't matter how much you virtue signal, leftists- ONE mistake. ONE deviation from "wokeness" and your mob will turn on you. Enjoy!
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Actually, we're already boycotting Starbucks for their myriad of virtue signalling to the left.
So, I'm going to sit back and drink some not-Starbucks and just smile a the left eating their own. :rofl: (Ok, maybe more than smile.)
It doesn't matter how much your virtue signal, leftists- ONE mistake. ONE deviation from "wokeness" and your mob will turn on you. Enjoy!
Starbucks is a little bi polar in it's virtue signaling. They dug in on open carry (not kicking out open carriers) at one point and the left was frothing at the mouth.
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Starbucks is a little bi polar in it's virtue signaling. They dug in on open carry (not kicking out open carriers) at one point and the left was frothing at the mouth.
Yea, but open carriers are not a protected class of the left, whereas the African-Americans are a protected class of the left.
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Starbucks is a little bi polar in it's virtue signaling. They dug in on open carry (not kicking out open carriers) at one point and the left was frothing at the mouth.
I think back then they were trying to be liberal with leanings towards the classical sense of the word. I reckon it didn't go over well with 80% of their clientele.
I think their reasoning was that they simply followed the law based on location, so some Starbucks banned it, others did not.
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Actually, we're already boycotting Starbucks for their myriad of virtue signalling to the left.
I thought it was for trying to pass off moldy charcoal as coffee grounds. Either way, the local one often has some good charitable works going when I've stopped in to exercise my white cyclist privilege by getting free water.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/29607/viral-video-black-man-demanding-free-reparations-amanda-prestigiacomo
“Racism is a business," Sharpe told The Blaze. "Thanks to the ridiculousness of BLM activists, it’s the new publicity stunt — and I think I just proved it.”
Prefacing the event, Sharpe says at the top of the video that he's about to go inside the Starbucks located behind him and get his "free coffee." He was apparently confident the white guilt at any liberal Starbucks would be abundant.
“I heard y’all was racist, so I came to get my, um, free coffee,” he tells a white barista named Amanda.
I think it's hilarious that a few days ago, we were talking about NYC being invaded by scary Christians, and it turns out Starbucks is the evil force that woke city-dwellers really have to fear. (Not that the Starbucks panic is any more reality-based than the Jesus Chicken panic.)
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Cities around here used to actually have special zones for automobile dealerships, and there was a stretch of one of the main streets that was known as "Motor Mile" when I was a kid because it was just one dealership after another, on both sides of the street. Back then I didn't know anything about zoning -- I only found out about that last year when researching the zoning maps for a friend. But it made sense from a business perspective, because prospective buyers didn't have to travel around to compare vehicles. Now, of course, dealerships have much larger buildings and much larger lots, so they've all bolted from the city to the 'burbs, but the automotive business zone remains.
Perhaps it's time to change the moribund automotive business zone into a "guaranteed to offend someone businesses" zone. Put 'em all in one place so everyone can get their daily dose of righteous indignation out of the way together, and then go on with their days.
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You're gonna need a bigger zone.