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Title: North Korea
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2018, 10:05:00 PM
Well...

(http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2018/06/12/896/504/694940094001_5796400100001_5796389758001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

Whatever else you might say about it, or what might or might not come of it, that's an historic handshake that is bursting progressive brains across the country, if not the world.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 11, 2018, 10:30:28 PM
Oh but haven't you heard? He had absolutely nothing to do with it. :facepalm:
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: just Warren on June 11, 2018, 10:44:33 PM
I'm going to say that now that he's met and talked with Lil' Kim there's a 20% chance that the forces of TDS will now say that Trump is on the moral hook for the evils of the Nork regime.

"Since he met with him and nothing changed in NK, Trump is responsible for____!"
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 12, 2018, 04:53:32 AM
Currently watching the news conference with President Trump in Singapore. Watching this and reading some articles online, the left is losing their minds that this is happening and they are trying everything to see this fail.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 12, 2018, 06:07:24 AM
Meanwhile, CNN consults with and spends 23 minutes (I want to watch this train wreck) interviewing the foremost American Expert on Best Korea.....Dennis Rodman !!!!  While he's wearing a MAGA hat, a "Potcoin" T-shirt, gives a "Shout Out" to Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam and then crys on TV.  To quote one twitter user:

Quote
I'm tripping balls, aren't I?


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/06/11/chris-cillizza-has-a-reminder-for-those-hating-on-cnns-interview-with-dennis-rodman/
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 12, 2018, 07:46:35 AM
Oh but haven't you heard? He had absolutely nothing to do with it. :facepalm:

Of course not. It was all accomplished by our lord and savior, His Holy Muslimness Barak Obama...
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: RocketMan on June 12, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Of course not. It was all accomplished by our lord and savior, His Holy Muslimness Barak Obama...

Obama and Kim will no doubt share a Nobel Peace for this historic meeting.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Pb on June 12, 2018, 09:38:27 AM
Obama and Kim will no doubt share a Nobel Peace for this historic meeting.

 =D
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 12, 2018, 09:51:00 AM
Actually, I doubt if Obama would get another one because he screwed the committee over so hard when he pretty much did nothing that he promised regarding their views on "world peas," such as releasing all of the detained terrorists, closing Gitmo, pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, and basically surrendering the US to a benevolent, kind, tolerant, and loving combination of UN authority and Sharia law.

I have absolutely NO doubt that if things actually happen as Kim said, he'll win his little Nork ass a peace prize. It's impossible for a Republican president to win a peace prize from those *expletive deleted*ing socialist statists.

Nixon didn't get one for normalizing relations with China/ending the Vietnam War, Reagan didn't get one for helping ensure that the US and Soviets didn't play a game of lob the A bomb (but Gorbachev got one for dissolving the Soviet Union), etc.

Unless you're the socialist equivalent of the whore of Babylon, NO PEACE PRIZE FOR YOU!
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Ben on June 12, 2018, 09:56:27 AM
I thought this was interesting:

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The summit, which almost didn’t happen, represented a remarkable turnaround from the tension between Washington and Pyongyang last summer when Trump and Kim exchanged a war of words, with the American president warning the dictator of “fire and fury.”

Trump told Fox News, though, that “without the rhetoric we wouldn’t have been here.”

“So I think the rhetoric, I hated to do it, sometimes I felt foolish doing it, but we had no choice,” he said.

This is the first time I've heard Trump allude to his tweets and rhetoric being, as many of us have wondered, a planned strategy versus 100% "the Trump personality". If true, that certainly makes me feel a little better about his tweets, etc. Especially as I'm one of the people who complains about his tweets.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: brimic on June 12, 2018, 10:20:04 AM
Meanwhile, CNN consults with and spends 23 minutes (I want to watch this train wreck) interviewing the foremost American Expert on Best Korea.....Dennis Rodman !!!!  While he's wearing a MAGA hat, a "Potcoin" T-shirt, gives a "Shout Out" to Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam and then crys on TV.  To quote one twitter user:


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/06/11/chris-cillizza-has-a-reminder-for-those-hating-on-cnns-interview-with-dennis-rodman/

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

More proof that we do indeed live in the best timeline.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Pb on June 12, 2018, 10:22:55 AM
What do you all think about the "agreement" reached?
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 12, 2018, 10:23:58 AM
Remember back in the 1980s the left was going off its collective nut about Regan's warmongering and pushing the Soviet Union to a confrontation.

Forge ahead 30 years and it's the same thing...

AH MAH GERDS! You can't push the Norks! We'll all die in atomic fire! They'll never come to the negotiating table! You'll kill us all!

I *expletive deleted*ing hate the left.

Anyone hear from Chuck Schumer? He was screaming about scuttling the summit outcome if it wasn't exactly what he wanted...

I think Trump could come back with a plane load of Nork a bomb materials and he'd be screeching about it. And the 9th Circus Court of Squeals would rule that it had to be returned to the Norks.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 12, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
What do you all think about the "agreement" reached?

It's an agreement. I think it's far better than what anyone was expecting. I know the left wasn't expecting it. In fact, I think they were hoping that nothing would come out of it because they hate Trump, and want him to fail, more than they want the possibility of peace.

The reality is that the Norks have reneged on every agreement they've ever signed. So, when they reneg on this one, which I expect they will, the left will crow with delight.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 12, 2018, 10:34:00 AM
More reason to hate the left...

Just look at this "expert analysis" from CNN...

Holy crap, these people are *expletive deleted*ing lunatics...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/opinions/trump-kim-us-north-korea-summit-reactions-opinion/index.html
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: zxcvbob on June 12, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
Remember back in the 1980s the left was going off its collective nut about Regan's warmongering and pushing the Soviet Union to a confrontation.

Forge ahead 30 years and it's the same thing...

AH MAH GERDS! You can't push the Norks! We'll all die in atomic fire! They'll never come to the negotiating table! You'll kill us all!

I *expletive deleted*ing hate the left.

Anyone hear from Chuck Schumer? He was screaming about scuttling the summit outcome if it wasn't exactly what he wanted...

I think Trump could come back with a plane load of Nork a bomb materials* and he'd be screeching about it. And the 9th Circus Court of Squeals would rule that it had to be returned to the Norks.

*And the USS Pueblo.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: brimic on June 12, 2018, 11:15:01 AM
More reason to hate the left...

Just look at this "expert analysis" from CNN...

Holy crap, these people are *expletive deleted*ing lunatics...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/opinions/trump-kim-us-north-korea-summit-reactions-opinion/index.html

They certainly don't live in and operate by the rules of this reality...
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 12, 2018, 11:25:19 AM
More reason to hate the left...

Just look at this "expert analysis" from CNN...

Holy crap, these people are *expletive deleted*ing lunatics...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/opinions/trump-kim-us-north-korea-summit-reactions-opinion/index.html

President Donald Trump produced a summit that likely exceeded his own: historic visuals; a joint signed statement and a way forward to end the Korean war and negotiate North Korea's nuclear program.

1.  .
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Ceasing the U.S.-South Korea war games is a significant concession, and to receive in return only a "complete" denuclearization—rather than the complete, verifiable, and irreversible kind to which the Trump administration has been referring in the entire lead-up to these talks—is not quite enough, at least in the immediate term

Soooo, we should have asked for super, extra, deluxe complete denucleariization....got it.

2.  
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YJ Fischer: Trump's North Korea deal likely won't be as good as Obama's Iran deal

Kim handing Trump a pile of dog *expletive deleted*it while pictures were being taken would be better then Obama's Iran deal.

3.
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Juliana Silva and Bill McGowan: Who won the optics of that first meeting?

Because the actual substance of the summit doesn't matter.

4.
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I'm confused by the summit, as is everyone. I have no sweeping conclusions, only incomplete thoughts:

Then sit down and shut up.  Or at least read the joint statement.   Here's the short version.  It's a start to end the war and remove nukes from the peninsula.

5.
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Add to Trump's warm approach to Kim the President's recent brutal treatment of America's closest allies -- Canada. France, Germany etc. --

Because they've been *expletive deleted*ing us on trade.  We're saps for being the only ones for free trade, while they jack up tariffs on US made goods.




SHUT UP all of you farking morons. 
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Ben on June 12, 2018, 11:32:56 AM
What do you all think about the "agreement" reached?

I won't go so far to call it an agreement. It's the prelude to an agreement, which I think is just fine. The fact that they were able to civilly discuss topics for an agreement and next step is, to use the term, "Huuuge".

I think it's important to not expect miracles and big results. The left is praying for that so when it doesn't happen, they can dance. If this can be a "business agreement" that just keeps the midget from pressing his big red button because it benefits him not to do so, I'll call that an initial win. The big win would be NK opening itself up to trade (eventually) to allow it's citizens to benefit from the wonders of capitalism.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 12, 2018, 11:41:28 AM
As far as I'm concerned the biggest win Trump has had with NK was getting those 3 detainees released. That has actually come to pass and he deserves some credit for that. Everything else so far is very much 'wait and see' - it may turn out good it may just be another ploy.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 12, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
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Not to mention the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.   But TRUMP!!!!!  BLARGHARGLE ARGLE BLAHARGLE ARGLE !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: MechAg94 on June 12, 2018, 02:43:53 PM
From what I remember growing up, we were constantly having meetings and summits with the Soviet Union.  Most of them seems pretty useless.  However, if we can eventually get to the point that NK lifts some of the burdens and oppression on its own people, I think that will be the beginning of the end.  It might take a decade for this to all settle out, but this seems to be a good start. 
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: BobR on June 12, 2018, 03:27:09 PM
Well you know:

CNN global affairs analyst Max Boot chalked up the meeting as something that “any previous president could have done,” while MSNBC regular Jon Meacham claimed “just because something hasn't happened before, doesn't mean it's historic.”

 :facepalm:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/12/anti-trump-media-members-turn-into-bitter-bettys-over-historic-summit-with-kim-jong-un.html


I think we have gone right past heads exploding to urinary incontinence among the liberals. In other words they have taken to wetting themselves every time the name "Trump" is mentioned.

bob

Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: HankB on June 12, 2018, 07:02:14 PM
Only a Republican would sit down and talk with a murderous dictator - a Democrat NEVER would.

(http://admin.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2016-07/196822_5_.png)
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 12, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
Unless you're the socialist equivalent of the whore of Babylon, NO PEACE PRIZE FOR YOU!

I didn't know Hillary Clinton won a Peace Prize.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 12, 2018, 07:19:58 PM
Did they agree to return missing soldiers bodies from the war? I thought they mentioned it but wasn't to sure on the details.

With all the lefts screeching about brutal dictator and such, pretty sure it wasn't that long ago when President Trump was being more threatening that the media was basically saying NK deserved to be able to make missiles in order to defend itself.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Viking on June 12, 2018, 08:03:29 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

More proof that we do indeed live in the best timeline.
Other timelines look on ours and are green with envy. How can they even begin to compare with this? =D
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: French G. on June 12, 2018, 09:16:35 PM
I've seen it said that the rightists were angry when Obama went to Cuba, why happy with trump meeting dprk? Oh, left see, leftists fellating leftists vs. ending the oldest war running and stopping nuclear proliferation, maybe ending a deal ades old deployment and hopefully improving the lives of millions. Yep, same exact thing.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 12, 2018, 10:22:25 PM
Up on CNN's FaceBook page.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10158436867051509/?hc_ref=ART4jAo6VRIAeeQQw2eCn1gITTLUjRd8WWjnu96UrfKi3TiFhEe6aKBNse-EZZnQjRo
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 13, 2018, 08:02:06 AM
Did they agree to return missing soldiers bodies from the war? I thought they mentioned it but wasn't to sure on the details.

I've seen it mentioned but without much details. Not sure where the million dollar price tag comes from either:
Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kim-trump-summit-singapore-success-too-soon/
the return of American remains from the Korean War (by the way, we pay the North Koreans about $1 million for each set of remains, so this isn’t quite the “goodwill” gesture it’s being made out to be).
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Pb on June 13, 2018, 09:24:24 AM
Up on CNN's FaceBook page.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10158436867051509/?hc_ref=ART4jAo6VRIAeeQQw2eCn1gITTLUjRd8WWjnu96UrfKi3TiFhEe6aKBNse-EZZnQjRo

 :lol:
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Ben on June 13, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
I've seen it mentioned but without much details. Not sure where the million dollar price tag comes from either:

Holy crap. I'd never seen that number before.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 13, 2018, 10:06:17 AM
This is the first time I've heard Trump allude to his tweets and rhetoric being, as many of us have wondered, a planned strategy versus 100% "the Trump personality". If true, that certainly makes me feel a little better about his tweets, etc. Especially as I'm one of the people who complains about his tweets.

Maybe there is a strategy behind this crap, but it still doesn't seem like it:

Quote from: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006839007492308992
Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!
Quote from: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006837823469735936
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 13, 2018, 10:26:36 AM
He's playing nice.  We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  There are other things to be done (End the war, repatriate MIA from the war, trade, better relations etc.)  We won't get those by pounding them.   We've used the stick (sanctions), now it's time to use the carrot.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2018, 10:31:06 AM
He's playing nice.  We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  There are other things to be done (End the war, repatriate MIA from the war, trade, better relations etc.)  We won't get those by pounding them.   We've used the stick (sanctions), now it's time to use the carrot.
But I think part of Trump's strategy is to remind them we can pound them and make them think he is willing to do it. 
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
I've seen it said that the rightists were angry when Obama went to Cuba, why happy with trump meeting dprk? Oh, left see, leftists fellating leftists vs. ending the oldest war running and stopping nuclear proliferation, maybe ending a deal ades old deployment and hopefully improving the lives of millions. Yep, same exact thing.
If the media was asking questions like that and doing actual analysis, this might have already been discussed. 

The big difference to me is that what Obama did was essentially just like the Iran deal.  He made grand gestures and lifted restrictions, got nothing in return, and all seemingly just so he could grandstand and claim a foreign policy victory.  I don't think he paid Cuba a bunch of money as far as I know.  The jury is still out on how this NK stuff will end in the long term.  This meeting was just the start (I hope). 
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 13, 2018, 10:42:17 AM
 We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  

Oh is that done already? All taken care of? I didn't realize that. Bravo then!  ;/
Sorry, but we've been here before. We've been promised this (and even more!) before and it doesn't happen.
Trump should maybe wait more than a day before taking his victory lap.

Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trumps-peace-in-our-time-moment/
the only new variable on the American side is Trump’s personal charisma, his unseemly praise of a murderer, and the whole spectacle of the summit. On the North Korean side, Kim Jong-un is a somewhat new figure, but there’s scant reason to believe he wants to take up Trump’s suggestion and trade his nukes for beachside condos on the North Korean coast. Kim left Singapore with many wins; America’s remain to be realized.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 13, 2018, 11:21:47 AM
Oh is that done already? All taken care of? I didn't realize that. Bravo then!  ;/
Sorry, but we've been here before. We've been promised this (and even more!) before and it doesn't happen.
Trump should maybe wait more than a day before taking his victory lap.


Point 3 in the joint statement. 

Point 4 covers the POW/MIA issue.

And yes, it's just a start, but it lays out the goals of what is to be accomplished.


Quote
Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

    1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
    2.  The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
    3.  Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula
    4.  The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit -- the first in history -- was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.
DONALD J. TRUMP
President of the United States of America
KIM JONG UN
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
June 12, 2018
Sentosa Island
Singapore
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 13, 2018, 11:27:45 AM
Trump is no different than previous presidents who have taken their victory lap after "agreements" with the Norks. The only difference is that with the twitter account it's a lot more in your face.

One of the people I know through a mutual friend is Pentagon policy analyst and she's spent years working on negotiating teams on various subjects in various locations.

She's really down on the whole summit thing, and keeps decrying how it's going to be a failure. In discussing (debating) this with her it's become painfully obvious that she's somehow viewing the repeated diplomatic/policy/treaty negotiation failures of the past 60 years as successes, and thinks we should continue on along the same track.

She's seeing only failure in the leader-to-leader approach, to which I replied SO FREAKING WHAT? If it fails, it fails and joins the huge list of failures brokered by negotiators over the decades.

She refuses to see any potential upside, which helps cement my belief that no matter what comes out of this process, even if it results in continued meetings, extended negotiation, and tangible results, the left (and she is DEFINITELY the left) will never admit that it was anything other than a failure.

As I flat out ask her... Given the abject history of failures of your kind, what's the problem with trying a new approach?

I'm still waiting for a response to that question.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Sideways_8 on June 13, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
As I flat out ask her... Given the abject history of failures of your kind, what's the problem with trying a new approach?

I'm still waiting for a response to that question.

I imagine the answer would be Trump.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 13, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
I imagine the answer would be Trump.


Obviously.

Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 13, 2018, 12:53:38 PM
I imagine the answer would be Trump.

Q.E.D.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: 230RN on June 13, 2018, 12:58:39 PM
I imagine the answer would be Trump.

 :rofl:

Took me half a cup of coffee before I got it, though. I've got to quit reading this site before I'm fully awake.

Terry
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: 230RN on June 13, 2018, 01:04:15 PM
Double tap.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: TechMan on June 13, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
IT’S HAPPENING! Guess who just got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/)
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Scout26 on June 13, 2018, 02:55:01 PM
I'm waiting for Trump to turn his attention to the Israel/Palestinian problem.  Although since it doesn't impact the US, I'm not holding my breath.
We've had 50 years of "The Peace Process", let's see what he can do there.*


* I think cutting off all aid the Palestinians would be a good starting point.  
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 13, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
IT’S HAPPENING! Guess who just got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/)

Mine is an evil laugh.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Viking on June 13, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
IT’S HAPPENING! Guess who just got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/)
Oh yes please let it happen.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
I'm waiting for Trump to turn his attention to the Israel/Palestinian problem.  Although since it doesn't impact the US, I'm not holding my breath.
We've had 50 years of "The Peace Process", let's see what he can do there.*


* I think cutting off all aid the Palestinians would be a good starting point.  
IMO, this is one of those cases where the solution is almost on the order of common sense.  Just no one has the guts to actually do it and face the anti-Israel media without apology. 
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 13, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
IMO, this is one of those cases where the solution is almost on the order of common sense.  Just no one has the guts to actually do it and face the anti-Israel media without apology. 


Well, he did just move our embassy to Jerusalem.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 13, 2018, 08:16:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AK59zma.jpg)
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 13, 2018, 08:57:58 PM
Oh is that done already? All taken care of? I didn't realize that. Bravo then!  ;/
Sorry, but we've been here before. We've been promised this (and even more!) before and it doesn't happen.
Trump should maybe wait more than a day before taking his victory lap.


Have you ever seen this before?
(http://dwgyu36up6iuz.cloudfront.net/heru80fdn/image/upload/c_fill,d_placeholder_thescene.jpg,fl_progressive,g_face,h_450,q_80,w_800/v1524858460/thenewyorker_a-historic-handshake-between-north-and-south-korea.jpg)
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 13, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
IT’S HAPPENING! Guess who just got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/)

(https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Andiron on June 13, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
I'm waiting for Trump to turn his attention to the Israel/Palestinian problem.  Although since it doesn't impact the US, I'm not holding my breath.
We've had 50 years of "The Peace Process", let's see what he can do there.*


* I think cutting off all aid the Palestinians would be a good starting point.  

A final push to the borders and kicking the "palestinians" to whichever actual country is closest would put an end to much of that region's instability.  Israel needs to define their borders, enforce them and be done with it.   If the local muslims don't like that,  they'd best stop antagonizing the Izzys.


/ thread drift,  yet again.  I'd love to see Trump get the Nobel,  as it would be hilarious.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: K Frame on June 14, 2018, 06:55:11 AM
I imagine the answer would be Trump.

Finally got an answer from her.

Essentially it consisted of: "Never try anything new because it's new and it scares the hidebound diplomats and negotiators. Diplomacy's legacy of monumental failure must be allowed to continue, because everyone is comfortable with it."

Great, another advocate for the success of John Foster Dulles providing the gasoline and match that kicked off the Korean War because he diplomatted.

Honestly what I would have expected from a Hillary Hugger.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 14, 2018, 08:45:14 AM
Have you ever seen this before?
Seen what exactly?

That Picture? Yes.
The leader of NK meeting the leader of SK? Yes.
NK making meaningless & vague agreements to "work toward an agreement"? Yes.

I'm not saying this a bad step. I'm saying it's barely one step in a marathon. A marathon we have started many times before, celebrated early many times before, and not been able to finish.  Yes, previous presidents have done this premature celebration too and it was foolish for them to think they had solved it - but every time it happens it becomes dumber. Believing a lie for the 10th time is dumb, but believing it for the 11th is even dumber.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Pb on June 14, 2018, 09:30:51 AM
Yeah, the Norks have lied many many times before.

I'm hoping Trump convinced the Chinese to force the Norks to behave and give up their nukes... that's the only think I can think of that would make this effort more successful that the previous ones.

Remember Trump's trip to China and him threatening the Chinese with tariffs?  Maybe there was a lot going on behind the scenes that was not public.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: TommyGunn on June 14, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
Seen what exactly?

That Picture? Yes.
The leader of NK meeting the leader of SK? Yes.
NK making meaningless & vague agreements to "work toward an agreement"? Yes.

I'm not saying this a bad step. I'm saying it's barely one step in a marathon. A marathon we have started many times before, celebrated early many times before, and not been able to finish.  Yes, previous presidents have done this premature celebration too and it was foolish for them to think they had solved it - but every time it happens it becomes dumber. Believing a lie for the 10th time is dumb, but believing it for the 11th is even dumber.

From what I've heard President Trump say,  he's keenly aware this may easily not pan out into anything meaningful.  I don't blame him for being optimistic.  It doesn't seem to make sense to do a meeting and all, then be morose, dejected and pessimistic.... it might be perceived as an unwillingness to follow through,  and Kim would probably not be impressed that the American President really intended anything serious.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 14, 2018, 10:46:32 AM
Seen what exactly?

That Picture? Yes.
The leader of NK meeting the leader of SK? Yes.
NK making meaningless & vague agreements to "work toward an agreement"? Yes.

I'm not saying this a bad step. I'm saying it's barely one step in a marathon. A marathon we have started many times before, celebrated early many times before, and not been able to finish.  Yes, previous presidents have done this premature celebration too and it was foolish for them to think they had solved it - but every time it happens it becomes dumber. Believing a lie for the 10th time is dumb, but believing it for the 11th is even dumber.

No, have you seen that before this picture was taken.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 14, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
he's keenly aware this may easily not pan out into anything meaningful.
At times that certainly does appear to be true:
Quote
“I may be wrong,” Trump said during a news conference after the meeting. “I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey, I was wrong.' ”
“I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse,” Trump added with a smile.
And then a day later he tweets that "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea".
Maybe this is another case of taking him seriously but not literally, but I can't take that seriously.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 14, 2018, 11:06:55 AM
No, have you seen that before this picture was taken.
By that do you mean a chubby Asian man shaking hands with an old Asian man?? 
Yes, I have seen that.  =D

Or do you mean Moon Jae-in shaking hands with Kim Jong-un in the JSA?
No, I had not seen that before that picture was taken. It was historic, as was the Trump Kim summit.
The "agreement" is not so historic. Does that handshake mean this time will be different? I hope so, but I doubt it.

With NK we are past the point of "Trust but verify". It is "Distrust until verified".
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 14, 2018, 11:31:02 AM
Yes, much better if Trump were all pessimistic and publicly downplaying the whole  thing while denouncing Kim as a worthless liar and fraud.
Hell, the Norks can't be trusted so why the *expletive deleted*ck even try diplomacy.
Just bomb the whole damn Northen half of the peninsula into slag and be done with it.
*expletive deleted*ck me running.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 14, 2018, 11:35:21 AM
Yes, much better if Trump were all pessimistic and publicly downplaying the whole  thing while denouncing Kim as a worthless liar and fraud.
Hell, the Norks can't be trusted so why the *expletive deleted*ck even try diplomacy.
Just bomb the whole damn Northen half of the peninsula into slag and be done with it.
*expletive deleted*ck me running.

Is this a direct quote from John Bolton?
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: HankB on June 14, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Norks decide to test Trump in the coming months, possibly as soon as the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.

If (when?) the Norks violate whatever they agreed to, I think there's a good chance that Trump will immediately re-impose the maximum sanctions he can along with resuming & even expanding military exercises with ROK, rather than apologize, excuse, dither (aka "strategic patience") and send cash.

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 14, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
At times that certainly does appear to be true:And then a day later he tweets that "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea".
Maybe this is another case of taking him seriously but not literally, but I can't take that seriously.

Considering that the Norks' nuclear test facility basically self-destructed, at the moment there basically isn't a nuclear threat on the peninsula. Could they start up the program almost from scratch and rebuild the facility? Sure. But it would take time, and it's just possible that the midget rocketman has seen that there's more to having a viable nuke arsenal than just tweeting, "Hey, look! I've got nukes!"
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: DittoHead on June 14, 2018, 03:14:49 PM
Considering that the Norks' nuclear test facility basically self-destructed, at the moment there basically isn't a nuclear threat on the peninsula. Could they start up the program almost from scratch and rebuild the facility? Sure. But it would take time, and it's just possible that the midget rocketman has seen that there's more to having a viable nuke arsenal than just tweeting, "Hey, look! I've got nukes!"
I'm no NK expert and our intel from there is far from perfect but this is not my understanding of the current situation at all. ???
That was one test facility out of how many? After they completed how many tests? That wasn't their entire program that they blew up, I can pretty much guarantee you that.

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-is-blowing-up-punggye-ri-just-for-show
it is still a very small piece of the puzzle that doesn’t affect the North’s core nuclear capabilities or arsenal.
“Simply put, they can stop testing because they have finished development and don’t need to test any more. Ultimately, it’s still just a first step down a long and difficult road if true denuclearisation of the peninsula is to be achieved.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: cordex on June 14, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Considering that the Norks' nuclear test facility basically self-destructed, at the moment there basically isn't a nuclear threat on the peninsula. Could they start up the program almost from scratch and rebuild the facility? Sure. But it would take time, and it's just possible that the midget rocketman has seen that there's more to having a viable nuke arsenal than just tweeting, "Hey, look! I've got nukes!"
As DittoHead said, the test site collapse had zero to do with their ability to use nukes in anger.  Just because we stopped setting off nukes underneath Baxterville Mississippi after the 1960s doesn't mean our nuclear weapons program was shut down.
Title: Re: North Korea
Post by: freakazoid on June 15, 2018, 12:20:23 AM
By that do you mean a chubby Asian man shaking hands with an old Asian man?? 
Yes, I have seen that.  =D

Kinky >:D