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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: gunsmith on February 01, 2019, 11:53:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXj71a54ot0
the first video here is supposed to be where the "dealers" were selling black tar heroin, honestly to my jaded seen a lot of bad stuff eyes, it really doesn't look like a drug house.
the second video here? yup, that's a drug den...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XmflR0MWXc
personally, i really dislike no knock raids.
the two dead people do look like pot smokers but hardly hardened heroin dealers.
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No knock (along with so-called "announce and enter") raids should be allowed only for apprehension of known, violent offenders.
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No knock (along with so-called "announce and enter") raids should be allowed only for apprehension of known, violent offenders.
Like Roger Stone?
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No knock (along with so-called "announce and enter") raids should be allowed only for apprehension of known, violent offenders.
Not allowed at all. Any sort of loophole would just be abused.
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You would have thought after the Waco fiasco that LE would give no knocks a second thought.
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You would have thought after the Waco fiasco that LE would give no knocks a second thought.
They did. Their conclusion was that if they reduced no-knocks, it would cut down on the free MRAPs from Uncle Sugar.
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I just heard about it this morning: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/a-no-knock-raid-in-houston-led-to-deaths-and-police-injuries-should-police-rethink-the-practice
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update!
its looking worse, it looks like the no knock warrant ended up with an innocent man and wife killed for resisting a home invasion.
they obviously had no idea it was the police.
no body cams on the cops?
its a cover up.
their narrative is beginning to fade, seems like the youtube guy is more informed than the media-hardly any mention of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tkt56yc-LU
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Wow, I'm shocked, but it seems the Youtuber has some inside information. More reputable source:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2019/02/07/houston-police-officer-took-part-raid-killed-2-relieved-duty
No reason given as to why, but he was correct someone was fired. The article notes several discrepancies between the search warrant and what was found.
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So there's a possibility a "confidential" informant (meaning unnamed, so nobody knows who he/she is) lied?
Where's my shocked face?
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There was a milwaukee cop killed doing one of these raids earlier this week.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2019/02/06/milwaukee-police-officer-shot-killed-what-we-know-so-far/2794480002/
There isn't much info out about what happened, the police said they were shouting 'POLICE' while battering the door down, I've also heard it was a no-knock warrant.
I've heard rumblings that they may have been serving a BAFTE warrant....
The suspect doesn't appear to have any prior criminal charges/convictions.
The local social media is pumping the story up about how the cop is a hero and its become a right-wing virtue-signal fest.
I'm waiting until more information comes out to pass any judgement. If it turn out to have been a BATFE warrant- *expletive deleted*ck him, its the price they pay for doing the batfe's dirty work.
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Wow, I'm shocked, but it seems the Youtuber has some inside information. More reputable source:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2019/02/07/houston-police-officer-took-part-raid-killed-2-relieved-duty
No reason given as to why, but he was correct someone was fired. The article notes several discrepancies between the search warrant and what was found.
All I heard on the local radio was an officer was off duty pending investigation though those words were not used. I didn't think anyone was actually fired.
Yeah, this doesn't look right. All the Houston politicians and judges are Democrats now so I don't know if anything useful will come out of this. We will see.
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https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/08/houston-cop-involved-in-deadly-drug-raid
Reason has entered the fray, sort of taking the cops side but calling the liars too.
The "wrong house" theory took a serious blow when it turned out that at least some of the officers who had participated in the raid also had participated in the investigation that led to it, meaning they surely would have noticed if they were 12 miles from where they were supposed to be. The description and address in the warrant affidavit make it clear that no such screwup occurred. But it is obvious from the outcome that other kinds of screwups did occur, possibly coupled with deliberate dishonesty.
my personal opinion is, it was the wrong house - the cops who took part in the controlled buy were probably just taking the word of their informant
and somehow whomever it was couldn't pronounce or spell or otherwise communicate the difference betwixt "hardy" and "harding".
"participated in the investigation" probably equals "talking about the case over donuts and coffee at a donut shop"
My brother is a lead detective in a multi jurisdictional drug enforcement task force, a perk is having a nice breakfast at a nice diner on newyorkers dime and time - where they discuss ongoing investigations and plans for the day.
I'm willing to bet these guys in HPD had their informant make a buy, and someone misunderstood the address but the cops had already filed the paperwork that they had been at the address already.
probably had done the same thing a bunch of times with nothing going wrong.
of course, i could be wrong
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One of these days some group of idiot jackbooted thugs are gonna screw over the wrong person.
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I kinda wonder if the wife got shot to silence her and they just made that whole "reaching for an officer's weapon" story up
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I kinda wonder if the wife got shot to silence her and they just made that whole "reaching for an officer's weapon" story up
I wasn't thinking that, but they had just shot the dog and I think it is reasonable to think she may have been moving/reaching for the dog, not the gun. Since there is no video, there is nothing to dispute their story.
At the very least, it should be illegal to do these raids without all participants wired for video and sound. And all participants should be in uniform with identification front and back.
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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-officer-connected-to-deadly-raid-shootout-13598143.php
Ultimately, investigators found small amounts of marijuana and cocaine, but no heroin. They also found two 12-gauge shotguns, a 20-gauge shotgun, a .22-caliber rifle and a second rifle — but no 9mm handgun described in the warrant
Some comments I saw on the other link made me go look at the Houston Chronicle. They didn't mention a 357 mag handgun in that list. Some misinformation on this whole story. I guess it is safe to assume sloppy reporting for now.
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I wasn't thinking that, but they had just shot the dog and I think it is reasonable to think she may have been moving/reaching for the dog, not the gun. Since there is no video, there is nothing to dispute their story.
At the very least, it should be illegal to do these raids without all participants wired for video and sound. And all participants should be in uniform with identification front and back.
Absolutely. There should be video recordings from every officer making the entry. Hell, cams like this have turned out to be a boon for most cops that wear them, anyway.
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At the very least, it should be illegal to do these raids without all participants wired for video and sound. And all participants should be in uniform with identification front and back.
If I was the type, I could totally impersonate an officer.
I can't be for no knocks, one of these days a paranoid combat vet, well armed, is going to take a few police officers with him...
and it will be totally the wrong address.
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https://youtu.be/ReFZIvVwopU
Mike the Cop is saying it is starting to come out that there was no informant who bought drugs at the house and the drugs supposedly tested that came from the house were from the officers patrol car, but didn't come from the house. In other words, they lied on the documents to get a warrant.
This article confirms that. It starts off with an excuse to attack Trump before getting to the point.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-police-embroiled-scandal-lies-found-knock-warrant/story?id=60991293
In his application for a search warrant, Goines claimed he was outside the house and "observed the confidential informant" go into the house, make the heroin buy and came out and handed him the drugs, according to the internal affairs affidavit.
Goines gave investigators the name of the informant he said made the drug deal, according to the affidavit. But when the informant denied he had bought drugs from the house on the instruction of Goines, investigators confronted Goines, who then gave them another informant's name.
Internal affairs detectives interviewed all of the confidential informants Goines worked with "and all denied making a buy for Goines from the residence located at 7815 Harding Street, and ever purchasing narcotics from Rhogena Nicholas or Dennis Tuttle."
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https://youtu.be/ReFZIvVwopU
Mike the Cop is saying it is starting to come out that there was no informant who bought drugs at the house and the drugs supposedly tested that came from the house were from the officers patrol car, but didn't come from the house. In other words, they lied on the documents to get a warrant.
This article confirms that. It starts off with an excuse to attack Trump before getting to the point.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-police-embroiled-scandal-lies-found-knock-warrant/story?id=60991293
HPD should turn the investigation over to the Texas Rangers. Actually the FBI ought to do it; it could be a death penalty case for the feds, but I don't trust the FBI.
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horrible, it appears as if they were executed to prevent embarrassment.
difficult to believe
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horrible, it appears as if they were executed to prevent embarrassment.
difficult to believe
I'm not what the average joe would consider paranoid or anti-cop. But anymore, I find a statement like the above less and less difficult to believe.
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horrible, it appears as if they were executed to prevent embarrassment.
difficult to believe
And with the lack of body cameras used in the incident makes it look a lot more suspicious. Cameras should be a condition of such warrants even if the cops in the jurisdiction don't normally wear them.
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Houston Police to End No-Knock Warrant Raids After Four Officers Shot
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/02/daniel-zimmerman/houston-police-to-end-no-knock-raids-after-four-officers-shot/
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Houston Police to End No-Knock Warrant Raids After Four Officers Shot
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/02/daniel-zimmerman/houston-police-to-end-no-knock-raids-after-four-officers-shot/
thanks for the update, the guy who posted the videos in post one here - "news now houston" is in jail.
i believe in retaliation but i offer no proof.
it seems to be a big thing on youtube but nothing on drudge where i get my daily dose of outrage.
if youtube is correct, they were not uniformed police - plainclothes - broke in, shot the dog first.
heck, that would be enough for a lot of us to shoot back.
I want to believe the police - my own brother is a detective on a drug squad - i don't think his agency does the no knock thing tho
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My memory may be faulty, but I thought I heard they were tacticaled up in all black and may have had "POLICE" on, but only on back.
There was also a comment I saw (no corroboration) that claimed the guy didn't shoot back, but bolted for the back door and police out back fired at him with police coming in the front door in the line of fire. Not sure if that is true. Initially it was claimed he shot back with a revolver, but later no revolver showed up on lists of things found in the house. If no one fired back, I would ask what the justification was for shooting them at all. We will see.
I was talking with people at work yesterday and it was pointed out that the guy(s) who lied to get the warrant was one of those shot. Makes me wonder what would have happened had there been no shooting and that guy was around to find "evidence". And the shooting brought in a lot more cops than are normally there. The whole thing stinks. I haven't come across anyone yet who isn't suspicious of what was going on.
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I was talking with people at work yesterday and it was pointed out that the guy(s) who lied to get the warrant was on of those shot. Makes me wonder what would have happened had there been no shooting and that guy was around to find "evidence". And the shooting brought in a lot more cops than are normally there. The whole thing stinks. I haven't come across anyone yet who isn't suspicious of what was going on.
Meaning, I hope, suspicious of what was going on with the police. At this point it's pretty clear that there wasn't much "going on" with the two deceased residents insofar as criminal activity to have earned an armed SWAT team raid.
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We will see.
I really doubt that. The police are very good at selectively losing evidence. :police:
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I really doubt that. The police are very good at selectively losing evidence. :police:
As well as selectively "finding" evidence. I read somewhere that the cop responsible for the fraudulent warrant had guns and bags of drugs in the trunk of his car. I haven't seen that corroborated, but the fact that even one outlet reported it raises serious questions.
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Maybe I will have to look for news stories, but I heard there are hundreds of cases up for review that involved that officer and maybe that informant.
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Meaning, I hope, suspicious of what was going on with the police. At this point it's pretty clear that there wasn't much "going on" with the two deceased residents insofar as criminal activity to have earned an armed SWAT team raid.
Suspicious of the police. It is pretty obvious they had no evidence these people were doing anything. However, if no one was shot or only the homeowners were shot, I have to wonder if the evidence would have been properly planted and this would not have hit the news like it did.
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I'm surprised they didn't just burn down the house after the botched raid. It does happen you know :old:
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I'm surprised they didn't just burn down the house after the botched raid. It does happen you know :old:
That happened in a town near where we lived. The local retarded adult male who peddled the local newspaper made a couple of perceived sexual remarks about wearing revealing clothing to a couple of teen aged girls. The father of one of the girls pitched a bitch. The "Perp" was known throughout the town. The Chief of Police could have called him on the phone and told him to come in or stopped him while on his paper route. The Perp was known to have a couple rifles.
Instead the local police, the county sheriff and the State Police mounted a huge SWAT attack. The Perp said he had a gun so the house was surrounded, tear gas and flash bangs were implemented and the State Police SWAT crashed into the house. Gunfire happened and a state trooper was killed. It was suspected he was killed by friendly fire. (Two high ranking State Police were "early retired" later.) They pulled back and set the house on fire and burned it down. The Perp had exited the house long before that and escaped. A few days later he was tracked down in the national forest, his car surrounded and he was shot dead by a hail of gunfire from state police as he got out of his car.
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its genuinely scary for me to actually lose all trust in the police.
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its genuinely scary for me to actually lose all trust in the police.
It should be genuinely scary for them to lose all trust of the public.
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I still try to support law enforcement. Things would definitely be worse without them.
But, then I see so many of these things in the news or I get to watch my country sheriff manhandle a guy out of a public meeting because he didn't like his position on medical pot. Maybe could have absorbed that but seeing the sheriff use the guys face to open the door was a step to far.
It is my opinion the far too many law enforcement personnel have forgotten who they work for.
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It should be genuinely scary for them to lose all trust of the public.
I am afraid they are being trained that the public is out to kill them, and the solution is to shoot anyone who "may" be a threat without hesitation.
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It should be genuinely scary for them to lose all trust of the public.
From what I've seen and experienced, all that most police want from the public is instant, unquestioning obedience . . .
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Edit, never mind, I missed the entire second page.
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thanks for the update, the guy who posted the videos in post one here - "news now houston" is in jail.
i believe in retaliation but i offer no proof.
Any link to this news, or what charges were filed?
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From what I've seen and experienced, all that most police want from the public is instant, unquestioning obedience . . .
Correct. The academies now train the cadets to demand -- and enforce -- unquestioning, instantaneous "compliance."
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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Case-agent-at-center-of-botched-drug-raid-13634685.php
The officer who lied was released from the hospital.
Afterward, the FBI opened a civil rights investigation, the Houston Police Department announced sweeping policy changes and the Harris County District Attorney's Office began reviewing the more than 1,400 cases Goines worked on over the course of his career.
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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-chief-mayor-and-DA-set-to-speak-on-13630749.php
A week old, but FBI is opening a civil rights investigation for whatever that is worth.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Nothing-he-won-t-do-More-allegations-emerge-13631088.php
An article giving some history of that officer. Probably should have been fired years ago.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMUARV21bvo
But hey, it's not anti-gun ;/
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more on the guy that got the ball rolling
honestly , its very confusing to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAYHDCtBkGQ&t=147s
I find this guy to be trustworthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAYHDCtBkGQ&t=147s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMUARV21bvo
But hey, it's not anti-gun ;/
Nothing new for him. The Houston political leadership are a bunch of liberals and so is he.
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Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/houston-no-knock-raid-where-2-killed-4-police-wounded-results-in-4-retirements/#ixzz5jZTf0mLu
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Houston No-Knock Raid where 2 Killed, 4 Police Wounded, Results in 4 Retirements
Not a lot new. Some of the officers involved retired including the one who lied to get the warrant.
I am trying to keep an eye out for news on this, but I fear it will take a while before it is finally resolved.
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Nice. Kill two innocent people, and the only punishment you face is retirement with a healthy pension.
And some people wonder why much of the populace doesn't respect police officers today.
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Some more fallout:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20190426/27-more-cases-tied-to-houston-officers-in-drug-raid-to-be-dismissed
Synopsis: two of the officers involved in the raid who retired early (presumably to preserve their pensions) are considered to have such LOW credibility that 27 current cases they're linked to are being dismissed.
Prosecutors are "reviewing" around 2000 additional cases tied to these two unbelievable officers.
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But the two offers are still receiving their pensions, and they aren't behind bars. Justice has not been served.
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https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/eye-on-government/forensic-experts-no-evidence-couple-shot-at-police-in-houston-botched-drug-raid-LBNVQi-j5U-jn-4JJaLvzg/
Forensic Experts: No Evidence Couple Shot at Police in Houston Botched Drug Raid
Note: the forensic experts were hired by the family of the victims. Just a little more info for an ongoing story. I have not heard anything else on this. Makes me wonder if the local authorities are trying to delay until people forget about this.
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https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/eye-on-government/forensic-experts-no-evidence-couple-shot-at-police-in-houston-botched-drug-raid-LBNVQi-j5U-jn-4JJaLvzg/
Forensic Experts: No Evidence Couple Shot at Police in Houston Botched Drug Raid
Note: the forensic experts were hired by the family of the victims. Just a little more info for an ongoing story. I have not heard anything else on this. Makes me wonder if the local authorities are trying to delay until people forget about this.
bingo
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https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2019-07-25-botched-houston-drug-raid-goes-to-federal-grand-jury/
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Federal-grand-jury-hears-testimony-from-Houston-14123217.php?utm_campaign=chron&utm_source=article&utm_medium=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chron.com%2Fnews%2Fhouston-texas%2Fhouston%2Farticle%2FBotched-Houston-drug-raid-goes-to-federal-grand-14123292.php%3Fcmpid%3Dtrend
A federal grand jury is investigating. I don't know enough about federal grand juries to know how meaningful this is.
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https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/new-evidence-in-houston-no-knock-raid-where-couple-were-killed/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=bc82ce0d18-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-bc82ce0d18-21698227#axzz5vG0y9SYm
A few new facts I hadn't seen. It doesn't look any better.
Dennis Tuttle supposedly shot back with a .357 magnum revolver, wounding the first officer in the door. Initially, on 28 January 2019, no revolver was inventoried from the scene.
The day after the independent forensics team findings were released, on 14 May 2019, the Houston Police said the revolver was among the evidence police investigators recovered.
Police claim Rhogena attempted to take a shotgun from a wounded officer. She was shot and killed. It is not clear if she ever touched the officer's shotgun. The independent forensic report claims she was killed by bullets fired through the wall of the home, where the person firing could not have seen her. From houstohchronicle.com 24 July 2019:
Doyle said his team had recovered the bullet that killed Nicholas, and that evidence showed she was shot by an officer standing outside of the house, who fired through a wall — meaning he would not have been able to see her — striking her as she turned away from the door, toward where her dead dog was found.
The independent investigators were able to recover a cell phone video of the event. The most provocative evidence claimed from the video, is two shots were fired almost 30 minutes after the raid started. The investigators claim it was shortly after those shots were fired, the police at the scene said that “Both suspects were down”. The private investigators found evidence that two shots were fired inside the home, into the back wall of the dining room, from very close range, contrary to police versions of the event.
Of the last 109 cases where Officer Goines swore out search warrants, all made claims of guns, but no guns were recorded as having been seized. From khou.com:
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MAYBE justice will be served? (IF the prosecutor seriously presses the case in court.)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-houston-police-officer-charged-with-murder-after-deadly-drug-raid/ar-AAGezH8?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U270DHP
A former Houston police officer was hit with murder charges after allegedly lying to justify warrants for a January drug raid that killed two people and wounded five officers, prosecutors announced on Friday.
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I heard that mentioned on the news today. Glad to see it. Looks like one is charged with murder and another is charges with tampering with a govt record.
This link has video of the press conference. Since they are publicizing this, sounds like they will follow through.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/former-hpd-officer-gerald-goines-charged-with-murder-in-botched-harding-street-raid
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Apparently awhile back the DA requested and was given $2 million in funding to add TEN people to her staff, specifically to probe this shooting and Goines' history of cases. I think they are serious, as well they should be.
That said, my cynical question is: Would they be as serious if the two residents had been killed but no police officers were wounded? I think if that had been the case, the blue wall would have gone up and would have been impenetrable. But, when a police officer's lies endanger other officers, then the gloves come off.
I saw that in operation with a small town PD near home a few years ago. I don't remember the specifics, but the general summary is that a detective did something that some other officers felt had exposed them to danger, and they basically told the chief they weren't going to work with Detective ___ any more. The detective was fired, he appealed and was given his job back, none of the other officers would work with him, so he drove a desk for two or three years until he was eligible to retire.
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That point was discussed quite a bit among people I know here and who live around Houston. If the officer who set this up hadn't been injured, the fix would have been in.
I would like to see a bigger point made about them NOT using cameras during the raid as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30f36ijD30A
I think the technical term F.U.B.A.R
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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191122/16325943436/officer-charged-with-felony-murder-now-facing-seven-more-charges-over-deadly-no-knock-raid.shtml
Officer Charged With Felony Murder Now Facing Seven More Charges Over Deadly No-Knock Raid
from the this-is-a-symptom,-not-the-disease dept
Wed, Nov 27th 2019 2:50pm — Tim Cushing
The botched drug raid in Houston that left two homeowners dead and one cop paralyzed from the waist down has resulted in additional criminal charges… against the cops.
Officer Gerald Goines -- already facing felony murder charges for the raid that left Rhogena Nicholas and Dennis Tuttle dead -- claimed an informant purchased heroin from Tuttle and saw guns in the house. One no-knock raid later, Nicholas and Tuttle were dead, killed by cops whose actions were set in motion by a warrant affidavit full of lies.
so far nothing in the main stream press that i have found, except for a ny post editorial
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I'm generally not in favor of the death penalty. Generally. The state does have the right to execute certain criminals, but they've squandered that right with too many convictions overturned when the suspect is proven to be innocent. Even so, from I've seen of this case I'd like to see Goines get the needle. I wonder if another cop had not been seriously injured, if there would have been any investigation here.
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There should be many more indictments.
In the case of a murder during a robbery, everyone involved in the crime can be charged, even the unarmed guy out in the street driving the getaway car.
So too should it be in this case - every cop on the raid ought to be facing charges.
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There should be many more indictments.
In the case of a murder during a robbery, everyone involved in the crime can be charged, even the unarmed guy out in the street driving the getaway car.
So too should it be in this case - every cop on the raid ought to be facing charges.
My immediate reaction to this was, "Why? They didn't know Goines lied to get the warrant."
Then I remembered that two more or less innocent people died. The police have guns -- lots of guns. And they have laws saying they can use those guns against people they're trying to arrest. Cops know this -- so, yes, I think it then becomes the responsibility of every officer on the team to verify that the facts underlying the warrant are true and correct. So maybe the other members of the team didn't know that Goines lied. But ... did they make any effort to find out?
In the Army, were were trained that we were a team. If any one of us screwed up, everyone was punished. A police SWAT team is basically a military (or paramilitary) unit. If they're a team, then the team should all hang together -- literally as well as figuratively.
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yesterday was the anniversary, afaik, no convictions yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoYoH1yAjB8
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My immediate reaction to this was, "Why? They didn't know Goines lied to get the warrant."
Then I remembered that two more or less innocent people died. The police have guns -- lots of guns. And they have laws saying they can use those guns against people they're trying to arrest. Cops know this -- so, yes, I think it then becomes the responsibility of every officer on the team to verify that the facts underlying the warrant are true and correct. So maybe the other members of the team didn't know that Goines lied. But ... did they make any effort to find out?
In the Army, were were trained that we were a team. If any one of us screwed up, everyone was punished. A police SWAT team is basically a military (or paramilitary) unit. If they're a team, then the team should all hang together -- literally as well as figuratively.
I would point out that the officer leading the raid had a legal warrant signed by a judge. Did the rest of them know it was obtained by lying on the warrant? Hard to prove that. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that similar tactics were used to obtain warrants by other officers on that drug task force and others knew the score, but it is hard to prove.
My question is why they didn't use cameras and what the circumstances were on the two people getting shot. This article is from November.
https://texasmonitor.org/investigator-says-homeowner-killed-in-drug-raid-was-shot-in-the-back/
Investigator Mike Maloney said Wednesday that Dennis Tuttle was shot three or four times in the back during the raid, probably while retreating to the rear of his house on Harding Street in Houston after initially being shot by officers near the front of the home.
At least one shot traveled up his body, through his chest and lodged in his head, probably inflicted while he was lying on the ground, Maloney said.
Whatever happened, it seems that what HPD officers said happened during the raid does not match the evidence at the scene. That seems to indicate more officers should be charged. And they didn't use cameras because they didn't want their actions recorded.
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yesterday was the anniversary, afaik, no convictions yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoYoH1yAjB8
Thanks for keeping this alive gunsmith.
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Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/03/update-illicit-deadly-no-knock-houston-raid-of-innocent-couple-video/#ixzz6pqezrKKg
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UPDATE: Illicit Deadly No-Knock Houston Raid of Innocent Couple ~ VIDEO
I saw this link and thought I would post an update. Looks like the case is still alive and kicking but moving slow.
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Came across this and decided to look for more recent articles. Looks like one officer plead guilty, but the murder trial still hasn't happened and no progress on the civil lawsuit.
https://abc13.com/five-year-anniversary-of-harding-street-raid-botched-families-rhogena-nicholas-and-dennis-tuttle-murder-trial-investigation/14368289/
In the months that followed, Goines would be charged with murder in state court and violating civil rights in federal court. Goines' then-partner, Steven Bryant, was also charged. He has since pleaded guilty in federal court but has yet to be sentenced.
Numerous other officers would also be charged, mostly with allegations of overtime theft that were uncovered as part of the investigation.
Still, on the fifth anniversary of the botched Harding Street raid, nobody has gone to trial for murder. The cases continue to drag on.
"I'm here to remind everyone that these five years, our family has been unable to receive any answers to achieve any closure," Cliff Tuttle, Dennis' uncle and a representative of the Tuttle family, said. "There's been no accountability of the City of Houston or the officers to explain and take ownership of this murder."