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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on February 12, 2019, 07:33:33 PM
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The star of the film doesn't want white males at the pressers or critic reviews or whatever. I'm pretty sure 75% of the Marvel franchise audience is young white males. If they start talking about how white males are bad, I'm thinking it's not gonna go well for ticket sales. I'm gonna go ahead and predict this will be one of the lowest grossing Marvel films ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/brie-larson-doesnt-want-captain-marvel-press-tour-to-be-overwhelmingly-white-male
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Yet another movie that would otherwise be entertaining, but they just HAD to SJW *expletive deleted*it up. Much like Black Panther. If you didn't like that one, you're just racist.
Is it too *expletive deleted*ing much for them to just make an entertaining movie and not preach?
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I'm not familiar with Captain Marvel, and although I've heard the name before I probably had him (her?) mixed up with Captain America. Cap'n Marvel is a girl?? Maybe it's a title rather than a character? (I'm confused)
Is this like The Doctor, who has traditionally been a male character, is now a female? (Jodi Whittaker is doing a fine job, BTW, I wish the writers would do likewise)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers
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Part of the problem is that Brie Larson can't keep her mouth shut for two seconds about how woke she is and how much she hates men and white men in particular. Which just happens to be ~80% of Marvel's fan base.
My biggest worry is that she's going to drag down Infinity War part 2 down with her.
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Test audiences have not been kind to her or the movie.
Every photo of her I've seen from the movie she looks bored.
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If not for the current political/social climate, the female Captain Marvel would probably have done well (if it was a good movie) since it's within cannon of the Marvel universe.
However, there is just no way it's not going to be seen as SJW bullpoopy right now by a lot of people. =|
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I'm not familiar with Captain Marvel, and although I've heard the name before I probably had him (her?) mixed up with Captain America. Cap'n Marvel is a girl?? Maybe it's a title rather than a character? (I'm confused)
Captain Marvel was a guy when I was reading comic books in the 1950s. The SJW faithful decided to make him a her for this movie.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers
Revisionist clap-trap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
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If not for the current political/social climate, the female Captain Marvel would probably have done well (if it was a good movie) since it's within cannon of the Marvel universe.
How is a female Captain Marvel in the "canon" when historically Captain Marvel was a guy named Billy Batson, as far back as 1940?
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Captain Marvel was a guy when I was reading comic books in the 1950s. The SJW faithful decided to make him a her for this movie.
The female Capt Marvel in the Marvel comics dates from 1968 according to wiki
Edit: actually it's a bit more complicated than that. Read the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers
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The female Capt Marvel in the Marvel comics dates from 1968 according to wiki
Edit: actually it's a bit more complicated than that. Read the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers
What he said. I'm hardly a comic nerd, but the evolution of characters is a thing.
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My younger son is a Marvel fan... Some of his online groups were not pleased with Brie Larson as Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel. They are less happy that she's decided to go SJW with the press conferences. Surprisingly, a lot of the unhappy fans are female. Appears that they want the film to succeed based on a strong female character, with no bovine excrement around the film to take away from it and it's success.
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Never read a single comic in my life, just enjoyed the movies.......so far.
Except for Thor Ragnarok, that one was painful to watch.
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I'm not familiar with Captain Marvel, and although I've heard the name before I probably had him (her?) mixed up with Captain America. Cap'n Marvel is a girl?? Maybe it's a title rather than a character? (I'm confused)
Is this like The Doctor, who has traditionally been a male character, is now a female? (Jodi Whittaker is doing a fine job, BTW, I wish the writers would do likewise)
I'm familiar with Captain Marvel... Because that's who Rogue stole her powers from.
Otherwise, my 20+ year out of date knowledge of comics is drawing a blank.
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The female Capt Marvel in the Marvel comics dates from 1968 according to wiki
Edit: actually it's a bit more complicated than that. Read the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers
So from 1940 until 2012 Captain Marvel was a guy, and then in 2012 "Ms. Marvel" magically became the new [female] Captain Marvel. If this is their idea of a comic "canon," count me out. As I posted above, it's nothing but revisionist clap-trap.
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So from 1940 until 2012 Captain Marvel was a guy, and then in 2012 "Ms. Marvel" magically became the new [female] Captain Marvel. If this is their idea of a comic "canon," count me out. As I posted above, it's nothing but revisionist clap-trap.
In other words, "doublethink" in "newspeak." "2 + 2 = 5"
Next thing you know, there'll be a Brucie Wayne, a Ricarda Greyson, an Alfreda the Butler, and Commisioner Jamie Gordon.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, like I said above I've never read a single comic book in my life. I was just pointing out that the switch from XY to XX happened long before this movie according to wiki
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Revisionist clap-trap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
That's DC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics))
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That's DC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics))
Okay, according to that the first switch from XY CM to XX CM was in 82 then back to XY in 93 then back to XX in 04 and then.............. Screw it. I'm so confused!
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Her superpower is standing up.
https://youtu.be/UDBsvOtd9fA?t=7
I'm glad I was never that much into comic books (or Ghostbusters) so these silly movies don't get under my skin. :P
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I smell another Ghostbusters fiasco. =D
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I smell another Ghostbusters fiasco. =D
Not likely. The Ghostbusters crap was basically the first movie reshot with the gender roles of all of the major characters reversed. When word of that got out, it killed any favorable feelings about the film. It wasn't about gender, it was about a lack of originality and, frankly, what I saw as an insult to Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, and Dan Akroyd. It was as if someone said "gee, that first Ghostbusters wasn't bad,m but we can make a better version than they did by just switching out the genders of the major characters." Yeah, no.
This film isn't some reboot, but another planned piece of this puzzle that Marvel designed and appears to have carried out to perfection. Each movie ties to the others in such a way that you don't necessarily need to see them all. But, like a good book, the chapters are such that reading one makes you want to read the next chapter, and these films make you want to see the next. And, since this is a tie-in to what they have planned in the Endgame film, it's going to make a bunch of money because of that.
On the gender-switch for the main character, there seems to be some confusion. As someone who was once the skinny kid who spent a fair amount of time reading comic books in the 70s. She was an Air Force officer who gained powers from an alien (male) who was called Captain Marvel. She was originally called Ms. Marvel. They killed off the male character, and the female took on the title of Captain Marvel about 10 years ago.
Guys, I'm with you that making changes in entertainment solely for the purpose of catering to the woke crowd is crap. I had that feeling when they made Starbuck a female on the updated Battlestar series (though that worked for me, and I grew to really appreciate Katee Sackhoff as an actor). This isn't one of those situations. Brie Larson may be trying to cater to the woke crowd, the film is likely not...
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Brie Larson may be trying to cater to the woke crowd, the film is likely not...
It probably wasn't clear in my OP, but that's what I meant. It is the actor "sabotaging" the movie because of her personal political beliefs. If I were a producer or investor in the movie, I'd be pretty pissed.
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That's where I was going.
Larson has been running her mouth constantly about how woke she is and has alienated a large segment of Marvel's fan base. The movie is still, unless you count a bunch of youtube rants which are 90% colored by opinions of Larson wokeness, largely an unknown quality at this point. No one can see the movie now without their opinion of it been tainted by Larson's rants.
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It probably wasn't clear in my OP, but that's what I meant. It is the actor "sabotaging" the movie because of her personal political beliefs. If I were a producer or investor in the movie, I'd be pretty pissed.
I've never cared about Captain Marvel. I was interested in the movie previously, but the star's actions are making me question that.
What is funny, to me, is that I've never had an issue with superheroines (or just heroines). As a child, I thought Rogue was awesome. (And I was annoyed in the first X-Men movie that she didn't have "her" powers (which she stole from Ms. Marvel) that made her awesome.) Some of my favorite villains were also female. However, the modern turn about how they have to be the BEST EVER!!! and SMASHING MASCULINITY!!! is annoying, and this movie sure is looking that way, thanks to Ms. Larson.
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My youtube recommendations have been full of Avengers discussion videos and some Captain Marvel. I haven't seen this subject mentioned at all. Maybe it will come around. Most of them lately are focused on the Endgame 2 moving coming soon and act like Captain Marvel already happened. The only criticism I saw centered around people thinking Larson did not look like what people pictured as Captain Marvel. Some thought she was too skinny which I thought was a odd. Most comic characters I remember were always drawn like thin athletic supermodels. Either way, I don't think they can ever make everyone happy.
I figure I will see the Captain Marvel movie. I have seen many of the superhero movies at the theater. They have mostly been entertaining to watch even if some are better than others. Even Black Panther (saw that one on video) wasn't bad, it just acted like Wakanda was in the middle of the US instead of in Africa. Lots of US attitudes on race and such that I am not sure a xenophobic tribe in Africa would share.
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They should of have done a Black Widow movie years ago.
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They should of have done a Black Widow movie years ago.
I have heard that discussion a bunch lately. That was a side movie I never even considered or really cared about. It would be a departure from the superhero model so it might be interesting. I saw one discussion video saying it would be more spy movie rather than superhero movie.
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I have heard that discussion a bunch lately. That was side movie I never even considered or really cared about. It would be a departure from the superhero model. I saw one discussion video saying it would be more spy movie rather than superhero movie.
So was Winter Soldier to a large degree and I consider it still to this day the best of the Marvel movies.
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(https://pics.me.me/this-is-the-imbalance-thanos-was-talking-about-34934527.png)
My youtube recommendations have been full of Avengers discussion videos and some Captain Marvel. I haven't seen this subject mentioned at all. Maybe it will come around. Most of them lately are focused on the Endgame 2 moving coming soon and act like Captain Marvel already happened. The only criticism I saw centered around people thinking Larson did not look like what people pictured as Captain Marvel. Some thought she was too skinny which I thought was a odd. Most comic characters I remember were always drawn like thin athletic supermodels. Either way, I don't think they can ever make everyone happy.
I figure I will see the Captain Marvel movie. I have seen many of the superhero movies at the theater. They have mostly been entertaining to watch even if some are better than others. Even Black Panther (saw that one on video) wasn't bad, it just acted like Wakanda was in the middle of the US instead of in Africa. Lots of US attitudes on race and such that I am not sure a xenophobic tribe in Africa would share.
Most of the complaints I've seen centered more on her acting ability.
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Lol :rofl:
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I don't have a dog in this fight, like I said above I've never read a single comic book in my life. I was just pointing out that the switch from XY to XX happened long before this movie according to wiki
2012 is not all that long ... 5 or 6 years compared to 72 years?
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Most of the complaints I've seen centered more on her acting ability.
This is also what I've heard and were my concern is.
We really follow the Marvel Universe and the Avengers franchise is my favorite of the two, so I'll be real disappointed if they produce a downright bad movie.
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2012 is not all that long ... 5 or 6 years compared to 72 years?
We're talking Marvel and I think you're stuck in DC
DC Capt Marvel aka Shazam and Marvel Capt Marvel are in two different universes.
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This is also what I've heard and were my concern is.
We really follow the Marvel Universe and the Avengers franchise is my favorite of the two, so I'll be real disappointed if they produce a downright bad movie.
It's going to have Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg in it...can't be too bad. ;)
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It's going to have Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg in it...can't be too bad. ;)
The Star Wars prequels also had Samuel L. Jackson in them...
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The Star Wars prequels also had Samuel L. Jackson in them...
They were better than the last one. =)
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They were better than the last one. =)
A kick to the jimmy is better than the last one.
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Most of the complaints I've seen centered more on her acting ability.
I guess I can't recall anything I have seen that she was in so I don't have an opinion on that part.
Correction:
She played the reporter in Kong: Skull Island which I have seen. I still have no opinion as I hardly remember her other than she was in it. That also had Samuel L. Jackson and aside from the coolness of being a monster movie was so-so at best. My complaints were about the script and storyline, not the actors. The crazy guy they found stranded was the only one I really remembered all that well. I am more hopeful of the new Godzilla movie. It is hard to screw up giant monsters fighting it out, but I am sure Hollywood will try. Maybe they should just shoot it in Japanese and use subtitles or bad dubbing.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3731562/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10
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A kick to the jimmy is better than the last one.
That was how I got dragged into the Avenger youtube stuff. There are boat loads of fan videos on youtube complaining about Star Wars and Disney.
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That was how I got dragged into the Avenger youtube stuff. There are boat loads of fan videos on youtube complaining about Star Wars and Disney.
I've stumbled across a couple of those. I don't see the point of spending an hour or more listing everything one disliked about a movie. Just give it a thumbs-down and move on.
That said, this one is fairly humorous, if lengthy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsRp7uUXUk
As an aside, the prequels would have been a lot better if Tarantino had directed them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4
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As an aside, the prequels would have been a lot better if Tarantino had directed them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4
My caveman brain got locked in on someone doing a snake dance, but that works also. =D
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We're talking Marvel and I think you're stuck in DC
DC Capt Marvel aka Shazam and Marvel Capt Marvel are in two different universes.
Captain Marvel was a he, and IMHO will always be a he. I grew up in the 1950s, when we didn't have comic hero "universes." The only universe I know is the one G-d created and that I live in. Thus my statements about revisionist clap-trap.
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Captain Marvel was a he, and IMHO will always be a he. I grew up in the 1950s, when we didn't have comic hero "universes." The only universe I know is the one G-d created and that I live in. Thus my statements about revisionist clap-trap.
Well, since the first apperance of Captain Marvel was issue 89 of the Avengers in 1971, I have a feeling you may not know what you are even talking about. ;/
Furthermore, Danvers wasn't even the first woman to take on the title after Mar Vell died. The female Captain Marvel is old news. The fact that the actress playing her might suck and has decided to play to the SJW crowd like a female Captain Marvel is some kind of big deal is the real issue.
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Captain Marvel was a he, and IMHO will always be a he. I grew up in the 1950s, when we didn't have comic hero "universes." The only universe I know is the one G-d created and that I live in. Thus my statements about revisionist clap-trap.
You don't need different universes, these aren't even the same franchise. It's like saying that Capt Kirk was your favorite Star Wars character and the rest are revisionist *expletive deleted*it because they came after and have space ships.
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Well, since the first apperance of Captain Marvel was issue 89 of the Avengers in 1971, I have a feeling you may not know what you are even talking about. ;/
The first appearance of Captain Marvel was in February of 1940.
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The first appearance of Captain Marvel was in February of 1940.
What I've learned from this is there are two different Captain Marvels. I'm not sure how DC and Marvel Comics managed to do that; one should have been a copyright and/or trademark violation. Perhaps if DC's character was first and Marvel used their own name...
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You don't need different universes, these aren't even the same franchise. It's like saying that Capt Kirk was your favorite Star Wars character and the rest are revisionist *expletive deleted*it because they came after and have space ships.
Dude, that actually made beer come out of my nose from laughing.
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What I've learned from this is there are two different Captain Marvels. I'm not sure how DC and Marvel Comics managed to do that; one should have been a copyright and/or trademark violation. Perhaps if DC's character was first and Marvel used their own name...
It's explained in the Wikipedia article I linked several posts above.
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It's explained in the Wikipedia article I linked several posts above.
DUDE! That's DC! We're talking about this guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics)
Totally different character, written by a totally different company in a totally different comic book! He has nothing to do with Shazam, which is who you are talking about.
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Liz, the article I gave a link to explains the development and the relationship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
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Liz, the article I gave a link to explains the development and the relationship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
It does. Completely different characters. Completely different companies. No relationship at all.
You're still talking about Shazam.
Marvel's Captain Marvel has nothing to do with the Captain Marvel created by Fawcett and who was bought out by DC!! The link (and lawsuit) was over Shazam's similarity to Superman (who's owned by DC!)
There is no connection between the two.
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Hawkmoon,
I believe this is the superhero movie you are trying to hate on:
https://youtu.be/Wc9WwU-5BJQ
Happy to help.
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(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/39795211/shazam.jpg)
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(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/39795211/shazam.jpg)
Thank-you! I was trying to find a good video clip of Gomer saying "Shazam!" last night.
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Ok, I actually read the wiki links and can see the issues.
ACCORDING to Wiki, the original Captain Mar-Vell was created in 1967. He died in 1982 (and, AMAZINGLY, has remained dead) and was replaced by a female Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Captain_Marvel_29.jpg/250px-Captain_Marvel_29.jpg)
(We're going to leave that thread there).
Carl Danvers, the character that is now Captain Marvel, was created in 1968 and gained her powers to become Ms. Marvel in 1977.
1968:
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2412080/2491791-marvel_super_heroes__12.0.jpg)
1977:
(https://www.sellmycomicbooks.com/images/ms-marvel-comic-1.jpg)
After years as Ms. Marvel (and having provided Rogue with her proper powers), she took on the mantle of Captain Marvel in 2012. (Something having happened to several other Captain Marvels that I'm not going to care to track down.) Ms. Marvel was a common character in the Avengers comics, it seems.
There. Now I have lots of useless information in my head that I didn't really care about in the first place.
So, those who are remembering a Captain Marvel prior to 1968 are remembering what is today more commonly known as "Shazam".
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100420020556/marvel_dc/images/6/63/Captain_Marvel_Adventures_Vol_1_89.jpg)
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So, after that download of information, I think this movie would be more properly titled "Ms. Marvel", as her character was Ms. Marvel for the entire era that the current Marvel Cinematic Universe comes from, but it's not a big deal one way or the other. I'm more concerned with the story (or lack thereof) and am concerned this is the beginning of the Star-Warsization of the MCU.
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There does seem to be a push to pump up the women characters. The more I think about it, the Black Widow movie could be pretty good, but neither will be good if they go into it with a PC agenda.
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Her latest
Brie Larson isn’t letting ‘Captain Marvel’ press tour be ‘overwhelmingly’ white and male
https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/brie-larson-isnt-letting-captain-marvel-press-tour-be-overwhelmingly-white-and-male/
It's not going to matter if the movie is any good when the lead actor is trying to be what the iceberg was to the Titanic.
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Why would anyone want to see a movie starring someone named after a smelly French cheese?
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A lot of anger out there about "revisionism" in these film franchises. I just want to say that when I was a young lad, this so-called "queso" was called "nacho cheese." It's nacho cheese, confound it! I don't care what you whippersnappers call it these days, I'm sticking with "nacho cheese"!
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Dude, that actually made beer come out of my nose from laughing.
Heh, sorry to waste good brew!
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Cartoons are fun.
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Her mouth has gone into plaid
Brie Larson Confirms Marvel Wants to Make Captain Marvel a “Big Feminist Movie”
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/02/12/brie-larson-confirms-marvel-wants-to-make-captain-marvel-a-big-feminist-movie/
Brie Larson on being Captain Marvel: Never thought I’d get to talk about feminism
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/brie-larson-captain-marvel-feminism-5583756/
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Who Are Captain Marvel & Star Trek: Discovery Made For?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGt2QmoNDI
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Who Are Captain Marvel & Star Trek: Discovery Made For?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGt2QmoNDI
Superman could time travel when I was a kid. The current version of Superman can't time travel? Why not?
Wonder Woman killed a god. How much more powerful can Carol Danvers/Ms.Marvel be than that?
Sheesh!
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Her mouth has gone into plaid
Brie Larson Confirms Marvel Wants to Make Captain Marvel a “Big Feminist Movie”
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/02/12/brie-larson-confirms-marvel-wants-to-make-captain-marvel-a-big-feminist-movie/
Brie Larson on being Captain Marvel: Never thought I’d get to talk about feminism
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/brie-larson-captain-marvel-feminism-5583756/
If they just make a good movie with a good female superhero character, it will be hailed as a big feminism victory. If they go overboard trying to "make it" a big feminist movie, that could screw it up.
The movie is already done and coming out soon so we will see.
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If they just make a good movie with a good female superhero character, it will be hailed as a big feminism victory.
Not really. It would only prove that women can be strong and powerful heros in a fictional universe in which they can also have superpowers, and some African hermit kingdom has the most advanced technology.
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I don't remember a big feminist brouhaha with Wonder Woman. Am I wrong? I know some of the usual characters popped up with hard core feminist stuff like they do with everything, but other than "strong female character", I don't recall the film's producers pushing more of the feminist agenda than any of them usually would for advertising and publicity. I enjoyed Wonder Woman.
Since my initial thoughts on this movie -- that this is 100% the actress -- are wrong, and the producers are pushing it as feminism, then I have no interest in seeing it, even on streaming or DVD. I look at this overt "stupid white guys" stuff the same way I look at TDS in Hollywood. I don't need to hear it, and if I miss a good movie because of it, I still consider myself better off.
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I don't remember a big feminist brouhaha with Wonder Woman. Am I wrong? I know some of the usual characters popped up with hard core feminist stuff like they do with everything, but other than "strong female character", I don't recall the film's producers pushing more of the feminist agenda than any of them usually would for advertising and publicity. I enjoyed Wonder Woman.
I enjoyed the movie too but thought that there were parts where the "a woman in a man's world" were done ham fisted and would have been more effective if done with a bit more finesse
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I don't remember a big feminist brouhaha with Wonder Woman. Am I wrong? I know some of the usual characters popped up with hard core feminist stuff like they do with everything, but other than "strong female character", I don't recall the film's producers pushing more of the feminist agenda than any of them usually would for advertising and publicity. I enjoyed Wonder Woman.
Since my initial thoughts on this movie -- that this is 100% the actress -- are wrong, and the producers are pushing it as feminism, then I have no interest in seeing it, even on streaming or DVD. I look at this overt "stupid white guys" stuff the same way I look at TDS in Hollywood. I don't need to hear it, and if I miss a good movie because of it, I still consider myself better off.
There was a brouhaha about the WW trailer showing her shaved pits, but maybe that was just hard-code loony thing.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/03/20/wonder-woman-armpits_n_15488256.html
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I enjoyed the movie too but thought that there were parts where the "a woman in a man's world" were done ham fisted and would have been more effective if done with a bit more finesse
I agree, but figure we're just not in an era of "a little goes a long way" anymore. Every stinkin' thing has to have some PC crap injected into it.
I recently binged season 2 of The Punisher. I think The Punisher is one of the best things Netflix has ever done. Still, I had the mild disappointment this season of seeing the secondary bad guy(s) being the white "alt right" religious zealots (as described by the characters). That's just Netflix TDS. Can we not have antifa or somebody as a bad guy? The bad guys always have to be old white guys (and old white women in this case) with a "conservative" background anymore. If I want an Al Gore or George Soros dirty commie pinko type antagonist anymore, I have to read a book. Which I'm doing a lot more vs having the TV on these days.
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There was a brouhaha about the WW trailer showing her shaved pits, but maybe that was just hard-code loony thing.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/03/20/wonder-woman-armpits_n_15488256.html
Yeah I remember that, I think someone at huffpost was bored out of their skull that day.
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Ben said, "If I want an Al Gore or George Soros dirty commie pinko type antagonist anymore, I have to read a book. Which I'm doing a lot more vs having the TV on these days."
Tragifunny.
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Not really. It would only prove that women can be strong and powerful heros in a fictional universe in which they can also have superpowers, and some African hermit kingdom has the most advanced technology.
I guess I meant that they would try to claim it as a strong feminist victory.
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One of the more common things that bugs me in movies and TV shows now-a-days is how often you see a scene where a 115lb woman repeatedly take hits from a room full of 250lb guys and then and she proceeds to knock every one of them out and afterwards has no trouble walking out of the room. It's like every woman now is Wonder Woman.
Yeah, right
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I wonder if this will have the same effect as Star Wars, where TLJ ruined the box office for Solo, and if this is a "big feminist movie" then Avengers Endgame might bust.
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Right now, MCU fans are pretty forgiving since they have been given, when all is said and done, a pretty awesome 22 movie run of nerdgasm.
As long as the movie isn't girl-preachie, it won't matter what noises Brie Larson makes while talking to nobody reporters that MCU fans don't even pay attention to anyways. An aside, did any of you guys read the interview she did with the black handicapped reporter? Felt to me like the reporter made the interview more about herself and didn't actually do what a reporter is supposed to do: expose points of interest in the actual topic people want to read about.
The MCU will survive until a Rose Tico is shoved into it, repeatedly, and the fans are told to just get used to it because you suck and we hate you.
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Also, Endgame is 1 month after CM probably because they do expect CM to be a lower performer. I'm a little amazed that Endgame isn't slapped into the "May Blockbuster" slot for 2019. That's the classic month of the year for this type of movie. Not putting it there is deliberate; either they have a lot of MCU releases to pack into 2019, or they fear something else in May, or they have low expectations for CM.
But the only other MCU movie for 2019 is Spiderman, and Spidey is a Sony property that is only marginally MCU. It could be that Sony didn't want to be pushed to July for Spiderman and didn't want to compete inside a 4-week window for Avengers viewers, so they leaned on Marvel/Disney to bump Endgame to April so that Spiderman could be June.
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Right now, MCU fans are pretty forgiving since they have been given, when all is said and done, a pretty awesome 22 movie run of nerdgasm.
As long as the movie isn't girl-preachie, it won't matter what noises Brie Larson makes while talking to nobody reporters that MCU fans don't even pay attention to anyways. An aside, did any of you guys read the interview she did with the black handicapped reporter? Felt to me like the reporter made the interview more about herself and didn't actually do what a reporter is supposed to do: expose points of interest in the actual topic people want to read about.
The MCU will survive until a Rose Tico is shoved into it, repeatedly, and the fans are told to just get used to it because you suck and we hate you.
I honestly agree with that. It would have to be pretty actively bad for me to complain too much. I will likely see it. I even sort of liked Green Lantern which a lot of people like to crap on.
After all, Scarlett Johansson's pro-Obama crap didn't stop me from watching the others.
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Agree with what he says at 10:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlamo6I82BU
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An aside, did any of you guys read the interview she did with the black handicapped reporter? Felt to me like the reporter made the interview more about herself and didn't actually do what a reporter is supposed to do: expose points of interest in the actual topic people want to read about.
Yes. Agree.
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I've been expecting Marvel Studios to go the way of the comics eventually.
I have small hopes that Endgame won't be a major disappointment. I expect everything after it to be, though. (I expect Disney will learn exactly 0 from Star Wars)
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Right now the only thing that irks me about the Captain Marvel movie, is the costume. Specifically, the stupid mohawk the main character gets when her spiffy magical helmet powers activate (but don't cover her mucous membranes).
The helmet doesn't protect in battle from what I can tell, and it doesn't serve to provide a breathing environment. So it's all for a look. Which is rather stupid in my estimation.
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Right now the only thing that irks me about the Captain Marvel movie, is the costume. Specifically, the stupid mohawk the main character gets when her spiffy magical helmet powers activate (but don't cover her mucous membranes).
The helmet doesn't protect in battle from what I can tell, and it doesn't serve to provide a breathing environment. So it's all for a look. Which is rather stupid in my estimation.
I agree. What I've always enjoyed about Marvel comics and films is the insistence on strict adherence to realism. :laugh:
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Right now the only thing that irks me about the Captain Marvel movie, is the costume. Specifically, the stupid mohawk the main character gets when her spiffy magical helmet powers activate (but don't cover her mucous membranes).
The helmet doesn't protect in battle from what I can tell, and it doesn't serve to provide a breathing environment. So it's all for a look. Which is rather stupid in my estimation.
I'm not sure I'm liking the change in her origins. I think they could have kept the original Captain Marvel in it (since he did die) and it would still appease the SJW crowd.
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Right now the only thing that irks me about the Captain Marvel movie, is the costume. Specifically, the stupid mohawk the main character gets when her spiffy magical helmet powers activate (but don't cover her mucous membranes).
The helmet doesn't protect in battle from what I can tell, and it doesn't serve to provide a breathing environment. So it's all for a look. Which is rather stupid in my estimation.
I thought I saw one spot in the trailer that seemed to show a field across her face.
I have no problem with something different. Theoretically, if we are dealing with interstellar technology I would would expect some fancy stuff. We will see how it turns out.
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Agree with what he says at 10:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlamo6I82BU
Interesting. I hope all this stuff is just Brei Larson mouthing off and doesn't reflect on what is in the movie.
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Now that I've had some time to read about things, I'm worried about her, not the movie. She's beyond SJW...she's making comments about white men that go beyond what's smart. Saying she doesn't want to see white men at C ok miCon. Who does she think the majority of the ComiCon needs are? Read an article yesterday that insiders are predicting a big hit to the initial ticket sales. Said Black Panther people were smart enough to make it about SJW, but just celebrate a great movie starring black people made by black people. Larson didn't learn that lesson.
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Now that I've had some time to read about things, I'm worried about her, not the movie. She's beyond SJW...she's making comments about white men that go beyond what's smart. Saying she doesn't want to see white men at C ok miCon. Who does she think the majority of the ComiCon needs are? Read an article yesterday that insiders are predicting a big hit to the initial ticket sales. Said Black Panther people were smart enough to make it about SJW, but just celebrate a great movie starring black people made by black people. Larson didn't learn that lesson.
Current outlook is not good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYLwbR6uQH4
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(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/289/1*AKEhcn8FIJJoreEOd6cN5Q.png)
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Current outlook is not good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYLwbR6uQH4
One of the most interesting things that smacked me in the face from that video was in the comments: The Alien franchise was led by a female character.
I never even thought about that. Why? Because Ripley wasn't a badass male character. Ripley wasn't a badass female character. Ripley was just a badass character. Neither the franchise nor the script built her up as "a strong woman!" or made any other qualifiers as to why being a female character made her better than a male character. Because she was just a character. That made (most of) the movies enjoyable. No politics, no diversity, no SJW nagging - just "Here's the protagonist who happens to be female."
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One of the most interesting things that smacked me in the face from that video was in the comments: The Alien franchise was led by a female character.
I never even thought about that. Why? Because Ripley wasn't a badass male character. Ripley wasn't a badass female character. Ripley was just a badass character. Neither the franchise nor the script built her up as "a strong woman!" or made any other qualifiers as to why being a female character made her better than a male character. Because she was just a character. That made (most of) the movies enjoyable. No politics, no diversity, no SJW nagging - just "Here's the protagonist who happens to be female."
And that's how it should be. A good story and a good character doesn't need to be woke.
And there are plenty of female leads in action, scfi and horror. For example, the Resident Evil franchise. I've lost track of how many of those there are.
What's more is the comic book world was "woke" long before "woke" was a thing. One of Marvel's oldest, strongest and most iconic X Men is a black woman.
I think anyone who's been a fan in the related genre's of action, scfi and horror in all forms of media for more than the past few years is justifiably annoyed by all the SJW crap. If anything, these are THE genre's that never had a problem with strong female or POC leads.
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What's more is the comic book world was "woke" long before "woke" was a thing. One of Marvel's oldest, strongest and most iconic X Men is a black woman.
I think anyone who's been a fan in the related genre's of action, scfi and horror in all forms of media for more than the past few years is justifiably annoyed by all the SJW crap. If anything, these are THE genre's that never had a problem with strong female or POC leads.
Yeah, but those examples don't count, because the comics weren't making straight white guys feel like bisexual black women were better and nicer than we are.
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Yeah, but those examples don't count, because the comics weren't making straight white guys feel like bisexual black women were better and nicer than we are.
I'm pretty sure Storm is better and nicer than you are.
And she could hit you with lightning, which would be funny.
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There are lots of examples of bar ass characters who happen to be women... Ripley is the big names from Aliens, but how about Vanquez, the machine gunner? Clearly a bad ass. Gender for that character means as much as hair color...just a descriptive. How about Sarah Connor? Yeah, she had to be a woman because of the mother to John Connor thing, but still bad ass. Lewis from RoboCop. Marion Ravewood from Raiders of the Lost Ark was pretty bad ass. Zoe and Rover Tam on Serenity/Firefly. Clarice Staling from Silence of the Lambs. And these are just off the top of my head. Why they stick out to me? Like Liz said, the characters were good, and were bad ass. Most handled a weapon really well, which is bonus points for me. Oh, they were women too. That says it all...
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I'm pretty sure Storm is better and nicer than you are.
And she could hit you with lightning, which would be funny.
Nuh uh, I'm super-nice.
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Nuh uh, I'm super-nice.
But can you hurl lightning bolts?
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One of the most interesting things that smacked me in the face from that video was in the comments: The Alien franchise was led by a female character.
I never even thought about that. Why? Because Ripley wasn't a badass male character. Ripley wasn't a badass female character. Ripley was just a badass character. Neither the franchise nor the script built her up as "a strong woman!" or made any other qualifiers as to why being a female character made her better than a male character. Because she was just a character. That made (most of) the movies enjoyable. No politics, no diversity, no SJW nagging - just "Here's the protagonist who happens to be female."
The Alien screenplay was written without the sex of any characters in mind, and CameronRidley Scott made that decision in casting.
Edit: Brain fart
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The Alien screenplay was written without the sex of any characters in mind, and Cameron made that decision in casting.
Pretty sure you mean Ridley Scott made that decision in casting.
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In a related, but different note:
I went with the wife and saw Alita: Battle Angel this weekend. Now I haven't read the Manga, or watched the Anime series, so I went in pretty clean sheet.
Good visuals (the team from Avatar*), strong female character, interesting story, OK script, great action. Pretty decent flick all told. From Internet chatter the folks that have read the Manga also liked it, which is no mean feat. And it topped the President's Day weekend box office. It'll be interesting to compare and contrast that with Captain Marvel in a couple weeks.
Of course, the SJW chatterazzi and critics hate Alita, because she grows [gasp] the bewbz!
*Seriously, the CGI is great. It's like Avatar without the annoying "Dances With Smurfs" overtones.
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But can you hurl lightning bolts?
On a dry, winter day, while standing on the living room carpet. Just ask my dog.
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In a related, but different note:
I went with the wife and saw Alita: Battle Angel this weekend. Now I haven't read the Manga, or watched the Anime series, so I went in pretty clean sheet.
Good visuals (the team from Avatar*), strong female character, interesting story, OK script, great action. Pretty decent flick all told. From Internet chatter the folks that have read the Manga also liked it, which is no mean feat. And it topped the President's Day weekend box office. It'll be interesting to compare and contrast that with Captain Marvel in a couple weeks.
Of course, the SJW chatterazzi and critics hate Alita, because she grows [gasp] the bewbz!
*Seriously, the CGI is great. It's like Avatar without the annoying "Dances With Smurfs" overtones.
I also saw it this weekend. Enjoyable movie, was not disappointed.
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I also saw it this weekend. Enjoyable movie, was not disappointed.
Cool. I want to go see it this weekend.
I had never heard of it before, but the movie previews I saw on youtube looked pretty cool.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHJYZt0r5k
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(https://i.imgur.com/ugBzY3U.jpg)
Does anyone else think the Captain Marvel chick looks like a hybrid clone of Olivia Wilde and Amy Poehler?
(https://photos.laineygossip.com/articles/brie-larson-casey-09mar17-06.jpg)
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Does anyone else think the Captain Marvel chick looks like a hybrid clone of Olivia Wilde and Amy Poehler? [/u]
No.
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Yes.
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Need some eye candy after the above
(https://cdn.europosters.eu/image/1300/canvas-print/justice-league-movie-wonder-woman-i56256.jpg)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6BHxhJWs--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/woh1fxv8l0dxutdygsq3.png)
That's better
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Does anyone else think the Captain Marvel chick looks like a hybrid clone of Olivia Wilde and Amy Poehler?
I had to look up Poehler as I don't watch SNL. Never would have put those two name together though.
I just hope there is no SJW nonsense actually in the movie. I can ignore stupid stuff actresses say on their own time if they don't screw up the movie. I gotta wonder if the money guys are ticked off that she is bringing up that stuff prior to the movie opening.
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I had to look up Poehler as I don't watch SNL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parks_and_Recreation
Recommended.
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I don't agree with all of her reasoning but it's a very good question that I haven't thought to ask
Why Hasn't Disney Stopped Brie Larson From Ruining Captain Marvel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xggjztPdY
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It'll be interesting to see what the actual box office numbers end up being. So far this whole kerfluffle might not be as big a deal as we think.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/captain-marvel-presale-tickets-soar-signaling-big-box-office-debut.html
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IMDB had it at 5.4.
Brie and gang started doubling down on it's because of men
Hearing IMDB is starting to block bad reviews.
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It'll be interesting to see what the actual box office numbers end up being. So far this whole kerfluffle might not be as big a deal as we think.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/captain-marvel-presale-tickets-soar-signaling-big-box-office-debut.html
We just have to wait 3 days to see the opening weekend numbers. That will be a better signal.
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We just have to wait 3 days to see the opening weekend numbers. That will be a better signal.
True, but the professional reviews are in, and they aren't great. Metacritic has it at 65.
When Vox gives your feminist tour de force 3 out of 5, you did something wrong.
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It'll come out of Netflix eventually. I'll catch it then.
Seriously, I think I'll pass this one up and catch the next Avengers.
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That's what I'm doing. I'll watch Avengers: Endgame, but after that, I think I'm checking out of superhero/comic book movies for a while. I'm kinda burned out on the whole "cinematic Universe" thing, and it looks like Marvel is giving me a nice clean line to pull the plug.
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It'll come out of Netflix eventually. I'll catch it then.
Seriously, I think I'll pass this one up and catch the next Avengers.
I really liked Antman in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing that movie.
I liked Black Panther in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing that movie.
I liked Spiderman in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing any of those movies.
I've enjoyed all the Thor movies. I've enjoyed all the Capt. America movies. I've enjoyed almost all the Iron Man movies. (Ok, I enjoyed them all, but that last one was pretty bad.) I enjoyed the Guardians movies. (Second was sub-par, though.)
I've enjoyed most of the Avengers movies. (Second was also sub-par).
I have ZERO interest in seeing the "Rey can shoot beams from her hands" movie. I already saw that (minus the beams) with The Force Awakens. Not happening again.
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Apparently we need Govt legislation :facepalm:
BAD Captain Marvel Reviews? Government Intervention For Demanded!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uElOUeMXjOg
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True, but the professional reviews are in, and they aren't great. Metacritic has it at 65.
When Vox gives your feminist tour de force 3 out of 5, you did something wrong.
That's a misogynistic conspiracy. All of the bad reviews were written by men:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/03/05/fake-news-notice-how-all-the-negative-reviews-of-captain-marvel-are-written-by-men/
... except they're not.
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That's a misogynistic conspiracy. All of the bad reviews were written by men:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/03/05/fake-news-notice-how-all-the-negative-reviews-of-captain-marvel-are-written-by-men/
... except they're not.
Even if they were it would not be evidence of any sort of male conspiracy. Perhaps if all those same male reviewers had also trashed Wonder Woman and then followed up by trashing Captain Marvel there might be a hint of a trend that could bear watching -- but I don't recall Wonder Woman being trashed in the reviews. Ergo, it seems to me that the SJW types are so psyched up about Captain Marvel because she's [supposed to be] a powerful woman that they are absolutely willing to overlook the fundamental issue that it just might not be a very good movie, and that the star just might not be a very good actress.
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Even if they were it would not be evidence of any sort of male conspiracy. Perhaps if all those same male reviewers had also trashed Wonder Woman and then followed up by trashing Captain Marvel there might be a hint of a trend that could bear watching -- but I don't recall Wonder Woman being trashed in the reviews. Ergo, it seems to me that the SJW types are so psyched up about Captain Marvel because she's [supposed to be] a powerful woman that they are absolutely willing to overlook the fundamental issue that it just might not be a very good movie, and that the star just might not be a very good actress.
Don't you know that Wonder Woman doesn't count?!?! They had an Israeli who had the audacity to be proud of her time in the IDF to play WONDER WOMAN!!1!1! Gal Godot is a traitor to her gender!!!!111! SHE'S NOT WOKE!!
And that's the only reason evil men actually like her.
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Don't you know that Wonder Woman doesn't count?!?! They had an Israeli who had the audacity to be proud of her time in the IDF to play WONDER WOMAN!!1!1! Gal Godot is a traitor to her gender!!!!111! SHE'S NOT WOKE!!
And that's the only reason evil men actually like her.
Also, she's hot.
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As an aside, I saw Alita: Battle Angel last weekend. Pretty decent movie if you remember it is based on some anime comic. I was surprised and a little disappointed in the ending, but it take away too much from the movie.
I am debating with myself on trying to see the Captain Marvel movie. After all the discussion over the last couple months, I don't know what to expect. I almost want to see it just as a warm up for the next Avengers movie.
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I really liked Antman in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing that movie.
I liked Black Panther in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing that movie.
I liked Spiderman in Civil War. Still haven't gotten around to seeing any of those movies.
I've enjoyed all the Thor movies. I've enjoyed all the Capt. America movies. I've enjoyed almost all the Iron Man movies. (Ok, I enjoyed them all, but that last one was pretty bad.) I enjoyed the Guardians movies. (Second was sub-par, though.)
I've enjoyed most of the Avengers movies. (Second was also sub-par).
I have ZERO interest in seeing the "Rey can shoot beams from her hands" movie. I already saw that (minus the beams) with The Force Awakens. Not happening again.
The Ant Man movies have plenty of comic relief so they do end up being entertaining instead of just serious.
There so many different Spiderman movies from past years that it is hard to keep track. I guess they keep making money.
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Also, she's hot.
There is that ...
There's more to it than just that, however. I could try calling it any number of things, but I think it's best described as an air of Je ne sais quoi. For all that she's a warrior goddess, she nonetheless manages to exude sensitivity, femininity, vulnerability (especially emotional), and humanity.
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Captain Marvel is a man. Not some snotty, left wing, bigoted, Misandrist. [barf]
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Also, she's hot.
Ayup.
Aint nothing wrong with that. Has to really piss Larson off too.
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I know I'm really looking forward to seeing Alita: Battle Angel tomorrow... =D
With how Brie Larson and the left has been acting, not going to pay money to see Captain Marvel.
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Just saw Captain Marvel. It does not live up to the hype. I’m
Sure it will make millions. IMO it was the worst of the marvel movies to date, not saying this movie sucked, just was not good. Too much jumping around, too much comedy that was not necessary. Marvel should have paid more attention to DC Wonder Woman.
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Hilarious fisking of the supposed glass ceiling Larson is so bravely busting up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e5bptEFIM
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There is that ...
There's more to it than just that, however. I could try calling it any number of things, but I think it's best described as an air of Je ne sais quoi. For all that she's a warrior goddess, she nonetheless manages to exude sensitivity, femininity, vulnerability (especially emotional), and humanity.
That is along the lines of what I was thinking. Her character came off as genuinely nice without the "I am a superhero" arrogance. The Captain Marvel trailers don't show that.
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Audience score is at 31% on RT
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel
Contrast that with the critic rating sitting at 81%
Some gems from the critic revews
Larson can turn a moment as slight as walking into frame and blowing a strand of hair out of her face into an uproarious, powerful visual beat.
Captain Marvel is such a welcome and appealing addition to the Marvel universe that I wish she could be added, retroactively, to all of the extant "Avengers" movies.
Mar 7, 2019 | Rating: 3/4
At full strength... Captain Marvel is a goddess emitting her own light - an astral version of Liberty at the battlements, sublime and terrifying.
Mar 6, 2019
Lord, grant me the confidence of a mediocre movie about a cosmically powered white woman.
Mar 8, 2019 | Rating: 2/4
:rofl:
A theme emerges of marginalized people trying to make it in someone else's world. How we get there isn't through tropes and brow-beatings, but through honest dialogue after the chase sequences and fist-fights prove futile.
There really should be an extra gold medal issued for the way the film successfully brings in the equally topical matter of attitudes to refugees when we were least expecting it.
WUT?
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08MAR2019: Captain Marvel release date.
08MAR2019: International Women's Day.
Coinkydink?
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08MAR2019: Captain Marvel release date.
08MAR2019: International Women's Day.
Coinkydink?
Beat me to it.
Think I'll watch WW today.
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Beat me to it.
Think I'll watch WW today.
Some TV channel or other is showing Wonder Woman for "Women's Day." Which is funny, because no one would think that a Superman movie is some kind of celebration of men.
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The RT audience rating jumped up to 36%
According to this that was AFTER they deleted 54,000 reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-PWWZF_RDI
Edit: And according to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIIrYnK-V4
He does make some good points about the ratings
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Hilarious fisking of the supposed glass ceiling Larson is so bravely busting up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e5bptEFIM
No Firefly, I am disappoint.
Also, Alita: Battle Angel was pretty good. Really enjoyed it. Unfortunately I thought the showtime was 3:30 but apparently it was 3:10. Came right in when she sees the dog and protects it. Would of missed the previews and I think I might of missed a scene or two. :facepalm: Hopefully it gets a sequel.
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The RT audience rating jumped up to 36%
According to this that was AFTER they deleted 54,000 reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-PWWZF_RDI
Edit: And according to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIIrYnK-V4
He does make some good points about the ratings
If the ratings didn't really change that much after deleting 90% of the reviews, to me that implies they did a good job of being fair -- and that the 50000+ number might have been bogus in the first place. (doesn't that number seem awfully high for a movie that just came out today?)
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If the ratings didn't really change that much after deleting 90% of the reviews, to me that implies they did a good job of being fair -- and that the 50000+ number might have been bogus in the first place. (doesn't that number seem awfully high for a movie that just came out today?)
In the 2nd video he kind of goes into that
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In the 2nd video he kind of goes into that
I only watched most of the first video. ;/
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If the ratings didn't really change that much after deleting 90% of the reviews, to me that implies they did a good job of being fair -- and that the 50000+ number might have been bogus in the first place. (doesn't that number seem awfully high for a movie that just came out today?)
I actually thought the guy in WLJ's second video did a good job of explaining and looking at likely "real numbers". In this case I think politics was getting nearly as many people to give it a 10/10 as a 1/10.
As much as I think Brie Larsen was a jackass for starting all this, and then the fact that the producers ended up having a "feminist agenda", I think a common sense look would say that it's not going to be a 1/10. That really is politics. On the other hand, this isn't going to be a masterpiece either and there's no way that even with politics aside it's a 10/10.
However, if you do what the guy in the video said and throw out the 1s and 10s, you end up with around a 6, which is probably going to be accurate. It definitely doesn't look to be the cream of the crop for Marvel movies. On the other hand, even if they don't see it at the theater, plenty of people will stream it at some point just to pass the time, and it will, as that guy said, be an okay "popcorn movie".
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I should have pointed that out more clearly in my post.
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I actually thought the guy in WLJ's second video did a good job of explaining and looking at likely "real numbers". In this case I think politics was getting nearly as many people to give it a 10/10 as a 1/10.
As much as I think Brie Larsen was a jackass for starting all this, and then the fact that the producers ended up having a "feminist agenda", I think a common sense look would say that it's not going to be a 1/10. That really is politics. On the other hand, this isn't going to be a masterpiece either and there's no way that even with politics aside it's a 10/10.
However, if you do what the guy in the video said and throw out the 1s and 10s, you end up with around a 6, which is probably going to be accurate. It definitely doesn't look to be the cream of the crop for Marvel movies. On the other hand, even if they don't see it at the theater, plenty of people will stream it at some point just to pass the time, and it will, as that guy said, be an okay "popcorn movie".
You beat your wife, don't you?
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The RT audience rating jumped up to 36%
According to this that was AFTER they deleted 54,000 reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-PWWZF_RDI
Edit: And according to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIIrYnK-V4
He does make some good points about the ratings
Glad I watched the first one, I've been watching his videos for some time so I would of seen it anyways. Reminded me that I need to see The Kid this weekend. Looked like it will be pretty good.
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Holy continuity problems batman
********** Spoilers alert ************
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rkEUyXDle0
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I'm going tomorrow with my son, a big MCU fan. I've been known to ignore reviews. I'll post here what I think afterwards.
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I'm going tomorrow with my son, a big MCU fan. I've been known to ignore reviews. I'll post here what I think afterwards.
A guy on the MHI FB page wrote up a review that was complimentary. He compared it to Guardians of the Galaxy and thought it was an enjoyable and solid MCU entry.
So, there is hope that she didn't ruin MCU, although I wonder if studio executives may have a stern talk with her if she's planning on staying in the franchise. I know they have some Disney employee style rules when it comes to their Marvel stars and mouthing off in a way that alienates their prime fan base probably didn't go over well with them.
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Holy continuity problems batman
********** Spoilers alert ************
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rkEUyXDle0
I still fail to see why/how she is supposed to be so much more powerful than Superman. Time travel? Big deal -- Superman was doing time travel in the comic books back in the 1950s.
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HG Wells was doing Time Travel in 1895
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HG Wells was doing Time Travel in 1895
Whose superhero universe is H.G. Wells a part of?
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Whose superhero universe is H.G. Wells a part of?
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
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Tasteless context (https://archive.fo/9wv9d)
(https://i.imgur.com/KoiZZIn.jpg)
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Okay kids, in a nutshell while trying to avoid spoilers. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't notice a lib agenda. Maybe if you really looked for one, like a cop looking for a traffic infraction, you can find one. Maybe with the whole alien war/refugee thing. If it was, it was done with great subtlety, such that I could ignore it. And the women in power thing? Other than a throw away joke in a flashback with a male pilot making a sexist joke, I didn't feel like they were beating the feminist drum here. I felt a lot like the character could have just as easily been a Male, and the story wouldn't have changed. Her best friend being black? Also nothing made of it.
I enjoyed it. A lot like Guardians of the Galaxy in its tone. Some good 80s and 90s music in the soundtrack. I would watch it again.
As for Larson, I predict she will either learn to shut up, or she will not be working for Disney for long. They value their fan base, and more so the money it brings in, to risk alienating any part of it due to a star spouting off too much.
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Overheard a conversation about the movie during lunch at work.
Three guys, two didn’t like it, one did.
The two thumbs down guys just thought it was a weak movie compared to the rest in the genre.
These guys are all on the political left so I doubt politics was an issue with any of them.
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Okay kids, in a nutshell while trying to avoid spoilers. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't notice a lib agenda. Maybe if you really looked for one, like a cop looking for a traffic infraction, you can find one. Maybe with the whole alien war/refugee thing. If it was, it was done with great subtlety, such that I could ignore it. And the women in power thing? Other than a throw away joke in a flashback with a male pilot making a sexist joke, I didn't feel like they were beating the feminist drum here. I felt a lot like the character could have just as easily been a Male, and the story wouldn't have changed. Her best friend being black? Also nothing made of it.
I enjoyed it. A lot like Guardians of the Galaxy in its tone. Some good 80s and 90s music in the soundtrack. I would watch it again.
As for Larson, I predict she will either learn to shut up, or she will not be working for Disney for long. They value their fan base, and more so the money it brings in, to risk alienating any part of it due to a star spouting off too much.
I think there are a lot of Star Wars fans who disagree with that part. Of course, I don't think Disney realized what they were meddling with in that case.
Glad to hear Larson's antics were her own and not shared by the movie. I may try to see it next weekend.
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There are problems with this movie, glad I didn't pay to see it. It messed up the continuity of the other movies in several ways and felt like they just let someone mess with the plot who hadn't seen the rest of the movies. There were also leaps ovr huge plot holes in the movie that didn't make sense, and yes there was a political agenda, subtle, but it was there. Also seemed like the acting was phoned in.
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I think there are a lot of Star Wars fans who disagree with that part. Of course, I don't think Disney realized what they were meddling with in that case.
Word.
Disney is committed to raping the corpse of Star Wars for as long as it's profitable, they don't care about making a decent movie anymore.
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There are problems with this movie, glad I didn't pay to see it. It messed up the continuity of the other movies in several ways and felt like they just let someone mess with the plot who hadn't seen the rest of the movies. There were also leaps ovr huge plot holes in the movie that didn't make sense, and yes there was a political agenda, subtle, but it was there. Also seemed like the acting was phoned in.
Yup. The director and co-director have both even admitted to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5ZEgWV1-U
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Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's that I'm getting tired of all the bovine scat. Or maybe I'm just getting too old...
But of those who saw the movie, why is it bad? I don't mean the quality of the movie, but the "agenda" I must have missed, or the pro feminist angle that means I as a white male shouldn't like it? I didn't see any overt male bashing. I didn't notice any "white men are bad" message coming through. Again, am I just growing blind to this stuff???
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Interesting look at Captain Marvel opening sales, and adjusted for ticket price inflation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlKZftJvp74
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On a related note
James Gunn Gets His Job Back as 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Director
https://townhall.com/entertainment/cortneyobrien/2019/03/16/james-gunn-gets-his-job-back-as-guardians-of-the-galaxy-director-n2543216
Months later, it appears they're giving Gunn a second chance. In a reversal of their July announcement, Disney has rehired Gunn and he will be the man behind the camera for the next chapter of "Guardians of the Galaxy." Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr. confirmed the news on Friday, noting how Gunn's good behavior seems to have been a factor.
I'm sure the fact that many of the main actors of a major cash cow saying they wouldn't work with any one else but Gunn had nothing to do with it. ;/
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I decided to watch Captain Marvel this afternoon. I didn't notice any particular agenda. If I had to say there was an agenda, it would be about refugees looking for a new home not feminism. There was a little bit of tough girl stuff and "she's only a girl" in part of it, but that was part of the story and I wouldn't call it an agenda. If I had any criticism of Larson it may just be that she doesn't really have the build of a soldier which is what she is supposed to be at the beginning. I wouldn't count it as the best Marvel movie, but certainly not the worst. Decent superhero flick with aliens (but I kind of liked Green Lantern so take that for what its worth).
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My wife and I went and saw it this afternoon. Caught the 5:00 pm show. Had a private screening, not another soul in the theater with us.
I enjoyed it.
Larson isn't bad but she's no Gal Gadot. =D
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Larson isn't bad but she's no Gal Gadot. =D
Troglodyte. Did you just judge her body?
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Troglodyte. Did you just judge her body?
Damn straight I did.
=D
Not really, just her 2nd tier acting ability.
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Damn straight I did.
=D
Not really, just her 2nd tier acting ability.
Carry on, caveman, carry on!
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One thing I neglected to mention, the theater we prefer to go to now serves beer and liquor/mixed drinks.
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One thing I neglected to mention, the theater we prefer to go to now serves beer and liquor/mixed drinks.
So that didn't sway your review at all, right?
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So that didn't sway your review at all, right?
I was driving so no barely pop for me.
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Brie Larson update... been emailing an old friend, who works in the entertainment industry. He's a part of the Avengers:Endgame group touring in support of the movie. He also did some work on a few other films, including Captain Marvel. He said Brie Larsen didn't get it at first. She saw the movie as a chance to step into the spotlight a d push her agenda, as we suspected. Apparently, there were some conversations with managers, lawyers, and Disney execs about her future with the franchise if she didn't knock it off. There was also a conversation with a couple of bug name stars reminding her not to bite the hand that feeds her. She's now playing along quite nicely...
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Brie Larson update... been emailing an old friend, who works in the entertainment industry. He's a part of the Avengers:Endgame group touring in support of the movie. He also did some work on a few other films, including Captain Marvel. He said Brie Larsen didn't get it at first. She saw the movie as a chance to step into the spotlight a d push her agenda, as we suspected. Apparently, there were some conversations with managers, lawyers, and Disney execs about her future with the franchise if she didn't knock it off. There was also a conversation with a couple of bug name stars reminding her not to bite the hand that feeds her. She's now playing along quite nicely...
I saw an interview where Don Cheadle pointedly talked about handing off the franchise and "All Brie has to do is not screw it up."
I've told my wife that I'm going to be considering this movie the end of the MCU. I'm just hoping they don't screw THIS one up before they do hand it off to the SJW who will screw it all up.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/brie-larson-inspires-girls-to-throw-off-patriarchal-shackles-of-having-sense-of-humor
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I saw an interview where Don Cheadle pointedly talked about handing off the franchise and "All Brie has to do is not screw it up."
I've told my wife that I'm going to be considering this movie the end of the MCU. I'm just hoping they don't screw THIS one up before they do hand it off to the SJW who will screw it all up.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ3jMs0lVXY
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Larson only gets 15 minutes of screentime in Endgame. I won"t post any spoilers. :)
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Larson only gets 15 minutes of screentime in Endgame. I won"t post any spoilers. :)
Thank you. We're seeing it today and I was quite afraid they would screw this up a la Star Wars.
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Thank you. We're seeing it today and I was quite afraid they would screw this up a la Star Wars.
Definitely not screwed up. There is one girl power moment, but then its back to what it should be.
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'Avengers' fans cry foul over Washington Post 'spoiler' headline
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/avengers-spoiler-headline-washington-post-article
Oops.
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Going Sunday at 1:30. Thanks for the non-spoiler words of encouragement.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/avengers-spoiler-headline-washington-post-article
Oops.
"Shame on you!" :rofl: :rofl:
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File this under "sauce for the goose":
http://nerdreactor.com/2019/05/02/petition-brie-larson-step-down-captain-marvel-woman-of-color/
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/972/607/589/demand-captain-marvel-is-played-by-a-woman-of-color-not-brie-larson/
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File this under "sauce for the goose":
http://nerdreactor.com/2019/05/02/petition-brie-larson-step-down-captain-marvel-woman-of-color/
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/972/607/589/demand-captain-marvel-is-played-by-a-woman-of-color-not-brie-larson/
I think us privileged white males are going to sit this one out. Should make for a good show though [popcorn]
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Definitely not screwed up. There is one girl power moment, but then its back to what it should be.
I thought that girl power moment was not done very well. I am not sure if I should say more as I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it. I will just say that there is zero subtlety in social justice movement stuff.
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I thought that girl power moment was not done very well. I am not sure if I should say more as I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it. I will just say that there is zero subtlety in social justice movement stuff.
Yep. That's because MESSAGE!!!! is what is important to them, not story. And so they are blatant in their messaging because that's what's important. (To them.)
Also, they aren't all that talented, so they don't realize that a subtle message is more powerful.
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I thought that girl power moment was not done very well.
No, it was not. It didn't make any kind of sense, least of all practically.
Seriously, given the entrance that the person that was holding the object at that time had made, what need was there for a girl power moment?
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Probably just to appease the actress who did Marvel. I skipped Marvel and went straight to endgame. Missed nothing thanks to internet spoilers and trailers of Marvel.
I'll watch Marvel on netflix in a few months.
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Saw Captain Marvel and then immediately saw Endgame after the credits.
I thought that girl power moment was not done very well. I am not sure if I should say more as I don't want to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it. I will just say that there is zero subtlety in social justice movement stuff.
Yup. It was a quite noticeable moment. But luckily seemed to really be the only big thing like that.
Captain Marvel however had a lot. They even managed to throw in an anti-Trump part in there, in a movie taking place in the 90's. Overall it was enjoyable as an MCU superhero action movie. Although I was actually pretty confused in the overall plot and how it fit in with what was already established regarding them as seen in Guardians of the Galaxy. The entire thing that they were doing actually made no sense and they never once actually explained why they were doing what they were doing.
Purposely being vague in order to not spoil anything.
I skipped Marvel and went straight to endgame. Missed nothing thanks to internet spoilers and trailers of Marvel.
Frankly, you miss nothing by skipping Marvel. The only thing to tie the two together is Captain Marvel herself. But the events that take place in Marvel have no overall bearing on Engame; no references to be missed or plot points.
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I think the Captain Marvel movie made the same mistake as Star Wars Solo. They tried too hard to tie it into the other story lines instead of just making a good movie. For all I care, they could have used completely different people and only tied it into the rest of the movies at the tail end.
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No, it was not. It didn't make any kind of sense, least of all practically.
Seriously, given the entrance that the person that was holding the object at that time had made, what need was there for a girl power moment?
And it wasn't like there was a shortage of powerful women in the movie. They could have had the same action take place without "Announcing It".
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Because she may not be woke enough...
https://www.screengeek.net/2019/05/07/captain-marvel-brie-larson-replacement-petition/
Online petition calling for Lasron to be removed from the franchise and replaced by a gay woman of color. Ah, how quickly they turn on each other...
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Because she may not be woke enough...
https://www.screengeek.net/2019/05/07/captain-marvel-brie-larson-replacement-petition/
Online petition calling for Lasron to be removed from the franchise and replaced by a gay woman of color. Ah, how quickly they turn on each other...
I saw that the other day and wondered if it might be a troll from 4chan that started it.
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Because she may not be woke enough...
https://www.screengeek.net/2019/05/07/captain-marvel-brie-larson-replacement-petition/
Online petition calling for Lasron to be removed from the franchise and replaced by a gay woman of color. Ah, how quickly they turn on each other...
I say replace her with a trans and then have he/she beat the crap out of Larson to the song "I am woman"
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I demand a handicapable person!
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I demand a handicapable person!
That would be 99% of Hollywood
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I demand a handicapable person!
And today in humor that will get you hounded out of a job today, but was perfectly acceptable just yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0
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I saw that the other day and wondered if it might be a troll from 4chan that started it.
Right up their alley.
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And today in humor that will get you hounded out of a job today, but was perfectly acceptable just yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0
From the comments:
"Holy crap they predicted modern day Marvel Comics!"
True enough. They already have Angry Woman ...
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I demand a handicapable person!
Got one. Colonel Rhodes, a.k.a. War Machine, became a paraplegic in the Civil War movie. And he's a person of color so two boxes checked.
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Got one. Colonel Rhodes, a.k.a. War Machine, became a paraplegic in the Civil War movie. And he's a person of color so two boxes checked.
ding ding ding
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They were very subtle about it right up until that all girl scene.
Game of Thrones did an all girl power thing....way better than Marvel.
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They were very subtle about it right up until that all girl scene.
Game of Thrones did an all girl power thing....way better than Marvel.
SPOILER!!! (Minor)
Lots of people cheered when Thanos took the power stone and knocked her out of the movie.
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Deleted screen where she shows "The Don" (Gee, I wonder who's that suppose to reference?) who's boss.
Feminist Hero Captain Marvel Fights Toxic Masculinity in Deleted Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdVXuTdJOQw
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Deleted screen where she shows "The Don" (Gee, I wonder who's that suppose to reference?) who's boss.
Feminist Hero Captain Marvel Fights Toxic Masculinity in Deleted Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdVXuTdJOQw
What a Terminator ripoff.
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Obviously a case of toxic femininity.
So, she can fly in outer space without a space suit ... but she needs a leather jacket and a helmet to ride a motorcycle?
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she needs a leather jacket and a helmet to ride a motorcycle?
Let those who ride decide.
=D