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Title: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Phyphor on March 14, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live

Oooooh boy, craps gettin' real.

Kinda an odd place for it to happen.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2019, 11:49:17 PM
Beat me in posting this

From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798
Quote
It is not yet known how many shooters there were, but the Herald reports that one gunman is believed to be an Australian who has written a manifesto outlining his intentions. In it, he espouses far-right ideology and anti-immigrant ideology.

Unverified footage purportedly taken by the shooter has emerged, suggesting he filmed as he shot victims.
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One unnamed survivor told TV New Zealand he saw a gunman shoot a man directly in the chest. He estimated that the shooting lasted for 20 minutes and that up to 60 people may have been injured.

The gunman reportedly targeted the men's prayer room in the mosque, then moved to the women's room.

"What I did was basically just waiting and praying, God please, let this guy run out of bullets," the witness said.

"He came to this side, he shot this side, he went to another room and went to the ladies' section and shot them. I just heard one of the ladies has died."
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: HankB on March 15, 2019, 12:14:56 AM
A mass school shooting in Brazil, and a day later a mass mosque shooting in New Zealand.

I thought these only occurred in the USA since everywhere else has common-sense gun laws . . .
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2019, 01:03:40 AM
A mass school shooting in Brazil, and a day later a mass mosque shooting in New Zealand.

I thought these only occurred in the USA since everywhere else has common-sense gun laws . . .

I'm sure Bloomberg will be along shortly to tell us the guns were bought in Virginia and illegally transported to the mosque.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 01:11:20 AM
So they were posting video of the attacks
Sick F's

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Bush was asked about the video that is circulating online, which purports to show the attack from the perspective of the shooter. This video is very graphic and unverified and Bush said police were doing everything in their power to get the video taken down from the website: “It’s very disturbing, it shouldn’t be in the public domain,” he said.

He also said: “Let’s not assume the danger is gone” and said he couldn’t discuss whether the four people who were arrested were known to police. “That detail will unfold in the next few days.”
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 01:14:59 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/world/multiple-fatalities-at-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-police
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Police were also working to remove an unconfirmed video that circulated online showed a gunman entering a building and firing multiple gunshots at people inside. A man who claimed responsibility for the shooting reportedly published a 74-page anti-immigrant manifesto prior to the killings.

It's Trump's fault in 10,9,8,7,6..........
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 01:25:10 AM
5,4,3,2,1

Up to 30 dead at two New Zealand mosques after a Trump-supporting white supremacist, 28, opens fire and livestreams the slaughter as car bombs are found and a woman and three men are arrested
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: French G. on March 15, 2019, 03:11:25 AM
Becoming a pattern for me it seems. My kiddo started Germany vacation within hours of the Christmas market attack. Now on new Zealand vacay for this. On North island, so that much is good. Too much for perennial worriers like me.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 08:22:50 AM
Here I was just thinking the other day that there hasn’t been a dramatic Islamic terrorist attack in the west in a while.

If this doesn’t motivate the crazy jihadists to engage in a tit for tat I don’t know what will.

Whenever I’m engaged in a conversation with what I used to call “sea of glass conservatives”, I always say to them, we’re not going to be able to shoot our way out of our problems.

In the west we want change and we want it it now, both the right and left want instant gratification.

To win you have to play the long game.

Words, words and ideas are more powerful than guns in the big picture.

It was words and ideas that motivated him to become a murderer.

This young man was a pretty normal guy from all accounts.  Then he traveled around the world for 7? years, comes back and commits mass murder.

I have to wonder who he met and where he got his evil ideas on how to address the west’s problems.

Apparently there is a long “manifesto” filled with every right wing trope that is out there.

He likes Trump also.


Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 08:46:02 AM
Condolences to the families of the victims.  =(

Yeah, New Zealand is a shocker. Australia would have been less so. From the limited info I read, they're talking semi-auto rifle. I seem to recall years back someone at APS was looking at ex-pating to NZ and we had talked about their gun laws. IIRC, semi-auto was supposed to be rare or impossible, and everything requires an interview with the local police department.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
I read semi auto shotgun and also a rifle.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Fly320s on March 15, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
The cover photo of the FoxNews story shows an AR-shaped rifle.  Hard to tell if it is really an AR-based rifle, though.  

I though Australia banned all of the evil guns years ago.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 08:58:42 AM
So they're calling this guy a white supremacist, but I went to WLJ's link, and the below is the cover page of the guy's maifesto. Worker's rights, anti-imperialism, and environmentalism sound more socialist to me. Of course Australian white supremacists may be a different animal than US white supremacists.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11017854-6811785-A_terrorist_who_opened_fire_on_a_New_Zealand_mosque_published_an-a-15_1552633683009.jpg)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
So they're calling this guy a white supremacist, but I went to WLJ's link, and the below is the cover page of the guy's maifesto. Worker's rights, anti-imperialism, and environmentalism sound more socialist to me. Of course Australian white supremacists may be a different animal than US white supremacists.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11017854-6811785-A_terrorist_who_opened_fire_on_a_New_Zealand_mosque_published_an-a-15_1552633683009.jpg)

Saw that symbol in some of the photos I saw
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: MechAg94 on March 15, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
Here I was just thinking the other day that there hasn’t been a dramatic Islamic terrorist attack in the west in a while.

If this doesn’t motivate the crazy jihadists to engage in a tit for tat I don’t know what will.

Whenever I’m engaged in a conversation with what I used to call “sea of glass conservatives”, I always say to them, we’re not going to be able to shoot our way out of our problems.

In the west we want change and we want it it now, both the right and left want instant gratification.

To win you have to play the long game.

Words, words and ideas are more powerful than guns in the big picture.

It was words and ideas that motivated him to become a murderer.

This young man was a pretty normal guy from all accounts.  Then he traveled around the world for 7? years, comes back and commits mass murder.

I have to wonder who he met and where he got his evil ideas on how to address the west’s problems.

Apparently there is a long “manifesto” filled with every right wing trope that is out there.

He likes Trump also.



Yet Trump is not anti-(legal) immigrant.  I think some would be surprised how liberal he would be if it was just legal immigration we were talking about.  
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 09:02:22 AM
That cover definitely has a white nationalist vibe to it for sure.

Right wing means something different everywhere else than in the USA.

Our labels are failing to actually describe anything these days.

Left, right, center, they can all mean something different to each individual.

He doesn’t look very right wing to me.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 09:03:12 AM
This is where I saw it

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/03/11017210-6811785-image-m-130_1552621128575.jpg)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
That cover definitely has a white nationalist vibe to it for sure.


I guess I don't know the difference between a white supremacist and a white nationalist. I've always lumped them together.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
Shotgun

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11016160-6811785-Witnesses_reported_hearing_50_shots_and_police_are_responding_to-a-14_1552633682977.jpg)

Not sure what this is, maybe an AR? I think I see the charging handle

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/03/11016512-6811785-After_retrieving_one_of_at_least_six_assault_rifles_stored_in_hi-a-137_1552621421174.jpg)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
I guess I don't know the difference between a white supremacist and a white nationalist. I've always lumped them together.

Maybe it’s tomato, tomato?

There is also another term, ethno nationalist. Every people (ethnicity) should have their own nation.

They want every nation to emulate the Israeli policy of declaring the nation is for the Jewish people. Poland is for the Polish, France is for the French etc.

Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 09:14:05 AM
The writing I've been seeing on their gear some of it looks Cyrillic  to me

More

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11017208-6811785-The_shooter_s_weapons_were_marked_with_the_names_of_other_people-a-12_1552633682965.jpg)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
It appears he calls himself a fascist (eco-fascist to be precise) and both right and left wing. "Socialist" was cut off, and in a quick search, I have not found the full text of his manifesto.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/03/15/like-clockwork-rep-eric-swalwell-is-quick-to-make-an-as-of-himself-dunking-on-the-right-after-new-zealand-shooting/
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
It appears he calls himself a fascist (eco-fascist to be precise) and both right and left wing. "Socialist" was cut off, and in a quick search, I have not found the full text of his manifesto.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/03/15/like-clockwork-rep-eric-swalwell-is-quick-to-make-an-as-of-himself-dunking-on-the-right-after-new-zealand-shooting/

Full text, for now.

I read two pages and stopped. Going into the mind of a mass murderer isn’t on my agenda this morning.

https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf

Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 10:15:56 AM
Full text, for now.

I read two pages and stopped. Going into the mind of a mass murderer isn’t on my agenda this morning.

https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf



Yeah, I don't want to read the whole thing either. I was just curious about that page on how he actually identified himself, because I won't be able to trust the MSM on it.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
49 dead, 40+ wounded
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
This is one mixed up POS
He's all over the map

New Zealand Shooter Hopes for U.S. Civil War: ‘Conservatism Is Dead, Thank God’
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/03/15/new-zealand-shooter-hopes-for-u-s-civil-war-conservatism-is-dead-thank-god/
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: brimic on March 15, 2019, 10:44:40 AM
This is where I saw it

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/03/11017210-6811785-image-m-130_1552621128575.jpg)

That looks like "We Wuz Vikangz and sheit"
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
This was one mixed up POS
He's all over the map

New Zealand Shooter Hopes for U.S. Civil War: ‘Conservatism Is Dead, Thank God’
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/03/15/new-zealand-shooter-hopes-for-u-s-civil-war-conservatism-is-dead-thank-god/

From the article:

Quote
While the shooter lists a number of highly lethal methods he might have used to carry out the act of terrorism, he states that he chose firearms “for the effect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the effect it would have on the politics of the United States and thereby the political situation of the world.”

“With enough pressure the left wing within the United States will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the U.S. will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. The attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the U.S. along cultural and racial lines.”
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 11:01:06 AM
Guess who

Quote

    (“Thoughts and prayers” is reference to the NRA’s phrase used to deflect conversation away from policy change during tragedies. Not directed to PM Ardern, who I greatly admire.)

    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 15, 2019
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Pb on March 15, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
I wish the media would stop giving these sick people the attention.  

NZ is not Australia.  No gun is banned in NZ.  However, they are very strict in giving gun permits (police visit your home, etc).  Some gun collectors even have full auto.

That being said, I bet NZ guns owners are now going to get screwed.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: BobR on March 15, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
I wish the media would stop giving these sick people the attention.  

NZ is not Australia.  No gun is banned in NZ.  However, they are very strict in giving gun permits (police visit your home, etc).  Some gun collectors even have full auto.

That being said, I bet NZ guns owners are now going to get screwed.

Yep, I have a feeling their guns will join all of the Australian guns that got turned in to be made into scrap.

bob
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: TommyGunn on March 15, 2019, 11:16:14 AM
Full text, for now.

I read two pages and stopped. Going into the mind of a mass murderer isn’t on my agenda this morning.

https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf




He most respects the People's Republic of China,   and considers himself a Fascist.   Likes Trump because he thinks he's white nationalistic but does not like Trump's policies.

The guy is a  NUT.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: freakazoid on March 15, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
So they're calling this guy a white supremacist, but I went to WLJ's link, and the below is the cover page of the guy's maifesto. Worker's rights, anti-imperialism, and environmentalism sound more socialist to me. Of course Australian white supremacists may be a different animal than US white supremacists.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11017854-6811785-A_terrorist_who_opened_fire_on_a_New_Zealand_mosque_published_an-a-15_1552633683009.jpg)

I believe that circle spiral symbol is a specific Nazi symbol.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: DittoHead on March 15, 2019, 11:25:57 AM
I'm too old to understand most of the 4chan stuff, but I think the big picture of a lot of that manifesto being "bait" is correct.

Quote from: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/15/shitposting-inspirational-terrorism-and-the-christchurch-mosque-massacre/
But this manifesto is a trap itself, laid for journalists searching for the meaning behind this horrific crime. There is truth in there, and valuable clues to the shooter’s radicalization, but it is buried beneath a great deal of, for lack of a better word, “shitposting”.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
It appears that an armed person at the other Mosque stopped the second shooting:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/03/15/true-hero-armed-muslim-man-reportedly-chased-and-fired-at-christchurch-shooters/
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Sindawe on March 15, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
I believe that circle spiral symbol is a specific Nazi symbol.

Best I can find as well is that the symbol originates from that era in the Obergruppenführer-hall in the north tower of Wewelsburg castle.  This nutter also put an Odel rune on one of his weapons, as well as having dog tag shaped pendents with the solar cross and slavic sun wheel inscribed.

I suspect this will inspire leftists & SJWs to push Amazon to halt display and sales of all like & related images, just as they did with the book co-authored by Tommy Robinson.  :mad:
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 11:48:27 AM
Things that make you go Hmmm

'Something happened during his travels': The boy who turned into a Muslim-hating mass killer and murdered 49 in New Zealand after his dad died of cancer and he left Australia to travel the world including North Korea and Pakistan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812527/Inside-life-New-Zealands-worst-terrorist.html

Quote
In a previous Facebook message about a trip to Pakistan on Facebook, he wrote: 'an incredible place filled with the most earnest, kindhearted and hospitable people in the world,' The Sydney Morning Herald reported.  

'The beauty of hunza and nagar valley in autumn cannot be beat,' he stated.  
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
Quote
The self-proclaimed racist believed to have killed 49 people at a New Zealand mosque during Friday prayers apparently opened fire with rifles covered in white-supremacist graffiti and listened to a song glorifying a Bosnian Serb war criminal
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 11:58:57 AM
More it's Trump's fault

Dem Sen. Blumenthal Claims President Trump's Rhetoric Was a 'Factor' in Mosque Shootings
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2019/03/15/dem-sen-blumenthal-claims-new-zealand-shooting-is-related-to-president-trumps-rhetoric-n2543180
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: lee n. field on March 15, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
I believe that circle spiral symbol is a specific Nazi symbol.

Yep.  Black sun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol))
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 12:16:06 PM
It’s odd how humans default to herd behavior, or every man for himself as a strategy to save themselves individually.

Instead of 60+ people in the mosque rushing the shooter and stomping him to death they run to escape. It seems to be how we are wired or at least conditioned. It’s normal behavior.

There is a big difference between attacking a pen of rabbits versus attacking a pen containing a pack of wolves.

If the story of the sheepdog gunman stopping a worse massacre from happening at the other location is true, it probably won’t change anyone’s mind that already didn’t have the innate wolf mindset waiting to be triggered.



Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: BobR on March 15, 2019, 01:47:45 PM
It’s odd how humans default to herd behavior, or every man for himself as a strategy to save themselves individually.

Instead of 60+ people in the mosque rushing the shooter and stomping him to death they run to escape. It seems to be how we are wired or at least conditioned. It’s normal behavior.

There is a big difference between attacking a pen of rabbits versus attacking a pen containing a pack of wolves.

If the story of the sheepdog gunman stopping a worse massacre from happening at the other location is true, it probably won’t change anyone’s mind that already didn’t have the innate wolf mindset waiting to be triggered.





As more stuff comes out I have noticed that there were a few people ready to step up, one guy tackled the gunman, took away his weapon and started chasing him but didn't fire because he couldn't find the trigger. In the places I read eyewitness accounts where the people crawled under chairs or tables and hope to Allah they weren't seen. There were also people shot while running away. The human mindset has become one of cowering and waiting among the majority where there are a few who will run to danger. The run to danger human is becoming more and more rare as we slide down the path of the feminization of society as a whole. My 2 Bolivars worth, which we know is not worth a single sheet of TP.

bob
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: French G. on March 15, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
The writing I've been seeing on their gear some of it looks Cyrillic  to me

More

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11017208-6811785-The_shooter_s_weapons_were_marked_with_the_names_of_other_people-a-12_1552633682965.jpg)

Victims of islamists I assume.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: BobR on March 15, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
Victims of islamists I assume.

That is kind of strange, Dmitry Senyavin was a Napoleonic War Russian Admiral. One of their greatest seaman from what I remember. I guess it is coming out he had other historical figure's names on his gear. I think people say NUT may be on to something.

bob
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Viking on March 15, 2019, 03:12:12 PM
Shotgun

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/07/11016160-6811785-Witnesses_reported_hearing_50_shots_and_police_are_responding_to-a-14_1552633682977.jpg)

Not sure what this is, maybe an AR? I think I see the charging handle

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/03/11016512-6811785-After_retrieving_one_of_at_least_six_assault_rifles_stored_in_hi-a-137_1552621421174.jpg)
NZ legal AR-15. Semi auto rifles and shotguns can be in either category A or E . The difference is in the type of stock, legal mag capacity for removable mags, and whether flash hiders are allowed. This is a Category A rifle. Thumbhole, kind of, stock. Although the mags are possibly not legal to use with the weapon.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Andiron on March 15, 2019, 03:34:29 PM
Guy is nuts. 

The manifesto is just pages of trolling,  far as I can tell.  Hence the Candace Owens comments.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Fly320s on March 15, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Don't be too harsh on the people who run away.  A sudden, intense, violent attack like that is hard to counter, even for trained people.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
Don't be too harsh on the people who run away.  A sudden, intense, violent attack like that is hard to counter, even for trained people.

I agree.

Most folks have to be trained to react differently.

Some though are wired to run to engage the danger, thank God for them.

Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 15, 2019, 05:34:08 PM
No surprise here:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/new-zealand-gun-control-intl/index.html

"I can tell you one thing right now: our gun laws will change."
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
Never let a serious crisis go to waste
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: dogmush on March 15, 2019, 05:53:51 PM
Don't be too harsh on the people who run away.  A sudden, intense, violent attack like that is hard to counter, even for trained people.

This message brought to you buy the Broward County Sheriff's Department, the letter "C", and the color yellow.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: dogmush on March 15, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Dude is obviously a nutter.

However, this:
Quote from: Crazy turned to 10
“With enough pressure the left wing within the United States will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the U.S. will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. The attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the U.S. along cultural and racial lines.”

Is actually pretty insightful, and could easily be successful.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
Goes into some of slogans, names on everything

VIDEO: Mosque Killer’s Weapons Covered In White-Supremacist References, Slogans
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/daniel-zimmerman/mosque-killers-weapons-covered-in-white-supremacist-references-slogans/
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Andiron on March 15, 2019, 08:02:14 PM
This message brought to you buy the Broward County Sheriff's Department, the letter "C", and the color yellow.


That's gonna leave a mark.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: TechMan on March 16, 2019, 05:59:01 AM

That's gonna leave a mark.

Truth hurts.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 16, 2019, 09:22:42 AM
Remember the kurfluffle over the OK sign?

This demon in a skin suit made the OK sign in court.

He is all about the memes and trolling as a channer.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Waiting for someone to say a Bushmaster ad made him do it.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
Or maybe it was Chelsea

Quote
   .@ChelseaClinton is here at the NYU vigil right now. A lot of students feel uncomfortable. People haven’t forgotten the Islamophobic mob she incited against @IlhanMN. There is no sense of responsibility.
    — Esor?? (@Esor__Fasa) March 15, 2019
Quote
The video posted starts with Clinton telling Viva in reference to her supposed "Islamophobic remarks", "I am so sorry...It certainly was never my intention..I do believe that words matter...I think we have to show solidarity..." The student then interrupts her and says, "They do matter...and this, this [vigil] right here, is the result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words you put out into the world, and I want you to know that and I want you to feel that deep inside. 49 people died because of the rhetoric that you put out there."

VIDEO: Leftist NYU Students Blame Chelsea Clinton For Christchurch Terror Attack Because She Condemned Ilhan Omar's Anti-Semitism
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/03/15/video-leftist-nyu-students-blame-chelsea-clinton-for-christchurch-terror-attack-n2543207
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2019, 11:19:15 AM
Or maybe it was Chelsea

VIDEO: Leftist NYU Students Blame Chelsea Clinton For Christchurch Terror Attack Because She Condemned Ilhan Omar's Anti-Semitism
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/03/15/video-leftist-nyu-students-blame-chelsea-clinton-for-christchurch-terror-attack-n2543207

Poor Chelsea. For possibly the first time in her life she said something sane and responsible, and she gets hammered for it.

Chelsea, I'd like you to meet Rodney Dangerfield. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVR_ajL_Eo
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: MillCreek on March 16, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
As usual, the British press does a comprehensive article on the event:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6815593/Brenton-Tarrant-faces-court-charged-Christchurch-terror-attack.html
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2019, 11:56:15 AM
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Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2019, 03:46:21 PM
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    New Zealand bans semiautomatic rifles less than 24 hours after the Christchurch mass shooting. Imagine: elected officials putting public safety over gun manufacturers’ profits.

    Americans deserve better than lawmakers who are letting gun lobbyists write our nation’s gun laws. https://t.co/TinWP7PSfM
    — Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) March 16, 2019
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 17, 2019, 12:26:34 AM
I wonder how much money the NRA was offering New Zealand to keep the murder guns legal. Does the NRA even have a murder gun factory in New Zealand? Are there any gun manufacturers in New Zealand at all?
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2019, 09:27:10 AM
So apparently the shooter was in Pakistan and North Korea...
I wonder how many people he killed in those two countries in training?
I watched the video yesterday, the guy was ice cold. He dropped his gear in the hallway, fired into the crowd of huddled people and people on the floor, and casually returned to his gear for more magazines several times.
We wasn’t hurried, you can’t pick up any increase of respiration or anything else that would indicate that any of this was affecting him physiologically.
He returns to his car, killing/executing bystanders on the way- gets in his car and nonchalantly drives off, while shooting a few people as he drives.

Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2019, 03:56:27 PM
So in other words, he was an "operator."

Mack Bolan Down Under
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2019, 04:24:49 PM
I have zero interest in watching that video. Let the dead and their families have at least some privacy.
Only video I want to see is the one showing the *** bag's hanging
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Andiron on March 17, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
With the NZ gov's response,  I want the vid available everywhere.  No need to watch it,  but *expletive deleted*ck them for trying to go after any of their citizens subjects that did.  Kiwifarms did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: bedlamite on March 17, 2019, 05:16:15 PM
With the NZ gov's response,  I want the vid available everywhere.  No need to watch it,  but *expletive deleted*ck them for trying to go after any of their citizens subjects that did.  Kiwifarms did nothing wrong.

https://ulozto.net/hledej?q=christchurch+shooting
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2019, 05:26:55 PM
With the NZ gov's response,  I want the vid available everywhere.  No need to watch it,  but *expletive deleted*ck them for trying to go after any of their citizens subjects that did.  Kiwifarms did nothing wrong.

I have apparently missed something significant. What is this about? (Not the shooting -- I know about that. What government response, and what's this about Kiwifarms?)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Viking on March 17, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
I have apparently missed something significant. What is this about? (Not the shooting -- I know about that. What government response, and what's this about Kiwifarms?)
KiwiFarms is a forum dedicated to shitposting and laughing at "exceptional" people tarding out/making fools out of themselves online and in real life. Despite the name, they have nothing to do with New Zealand. The owner of the forum, Null, uploaded the video as a torrent, and there is also a couple of topics discussing the event itself, and has received demands from NZ authorities not only to take it down but also to supply them with a list of users with NZ ip adresses. Naturally, he told them to perform carnal acts upon themselves.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
Naturally, he told them to perform carnal acts upon themselves.

One hopes they'll post it to Youtube when they try ...
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Fly320s on March 17, 2019, 07:55:01 PM
One hopes they'll post it to Youtube when they try ...

You spelled YouPorn wrong.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: zxcvbob on March 17, 2019, 08:15:28 PM
I have apparently missed something significant. What is this about? (Not the shooting -- I know about that. What government response, and what's this about Kiwifarms?)

I read somewhere that NZ wants to prosecute anyone who downloaded the video for Possession of... something.  A pretty big felony, like child porn is here, but i don't remember exactly what they called it.  Viewers could serve more time than the shooter.  :mad:
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Andiron on March 17, 2019, 08:24:08 PM
Copy of Kiwifarm's response to NZ:

On 3/17/2019 6:12 AM, MICHAEL, John (JP) wrote:

Good afternoon

I am hoping that you can help us with an investigation the New Zealand Police are working on.

On 15 March 2019 there was a shooting in New Zealand with multiple fatalities at two mosques in the city of Christchurch.

The alleged offender in this matter is a Brenton TARRANT.

At around the time of the shooting there were a number of posts and links posted on kiwifarms.net <http://kiwifarms.net> relating to the shooting and TARRANT

We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc linked to these posts pending a formal legal request .

Could you please advise what legal process you require for this request and also confirm preservation of the data requested pending legal process.

Kind regards

John

John Michael_
_Detective Senior Sergeant*
*E-mail: john.michael@police.govt.nz <mailto:john.michael@police.govt.nz>

===============================================================

WARNING

The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents.

Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately

---

Is this a joke? I'm not turning over information about my users. The person responsible for posting the video and manifesto PDF is myself.

I feel real bad for you guys, you've got a quiet nation and now this attack is going to be the first thing people think of for the next 10 years when they hear the name New Zealand, but you can't do this. Tell your superiors they're going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the Internet. You're a small, irrelevant island nation barely more recognizable than any other nameless pacific sovereignty. You do not have the clout to eradicate a video from the Internet and you do not have the legal reach to imprison everyone whose posted it. If anyone turns over to you the information they're asking for they're not only cowards, but they're *expletive deleted*ing idiots.

My name is Joshua Moon, I'm a US Citizen living overseas. My company is contained within a Florida company. If you need an address to send physical documents to this works.

Lolcow LLC
913 Beal Pkwy NW
Suite A-1017
Fort Walton Beach, FL 32547

If you're wondering, no. Kiwi Farms has nothing to do with New Zealand. Our name is a pointed jab at some of the mushmouthed autistic people we make fun of. Absolutely nothing about our community is NZ oriented.

And I don't give a single solitary *expletive deleted*ck what section 50 of your *Not nice word for gay men* law say about sharing your email. *expletive deleted*ck you and *expletive deleted*ck your shithole country.

- Josh

---

Hi Josh

Appreciate your quick response.

Will definitely consider what you have said.

Regards

John

John Michael
Detective Senior Sergeant
E-mail: john.michael@police.govt.nz
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2019, 07:49:21 PM
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The media was quick to come after Tripple for selling firearms to the shooter.

One reporter asked if Tripple felt responsible for the attack, to which he replied, "No, I do not." He said it was the responsibility of police to vet those who applied for a "class A firearms license," which Tarrant had.

Media Attacks Gun Dealer Who Sold Firearms To Christchurch Shooter. There's Just One Problem.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/03/18/media-attacks-gun-dealer-who-sold-firearms-to-christchurch-shooter-theres-just-one-problem-n2543304
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: HeroHog on March 18, 2019, 10:46:58 PM
I have the shooter's GoPro video and Manifesto that I found on the web. The guy was cool-headed, COLD and obviously one SICK puppy!
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Ron on March 19, 2019, 08:39:23 AM
I wonder if he was self actuated or if he was somebody’s wind up toy?
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Well he did choose to travel to Pakistan and N.Korea.
I can't think of a place in the world I would want to go to visit less than those two except maybe Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: makattak on March 19, 2019, 10:47:03 AM
Well he did choose to travel to Pakistan and N.Korea.
I can't think of of a place in the world I would want to go to visit less than those two than maybe Afghanistan.

I believe I've read reports he visited there, too. (I can't be sure because I'm not about to spend my time researching this evil loser. I'll prefer to let him remain unknown.)
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 20, 2019, 04:17:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz90AXCfnGk
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2019, 10:12:40 AM
I love the replies   :rofl:

Hot take: Christchurch massacre was an Israeli intelligence operation to influence New Zealand foreign policy
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/03/20/hot-take-christchurch-massacre-was-an-israeli-intelligence-operation-to-influence-new-zealand-foreign-policy/
Title: Re: Mosque shooting in New Zealand
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 27, 2019, 01:26:35 AM
More "confirmation" the Jooos are to blame.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/45130/well-known-leader-new-zealands-largest-mosque-hank-berrien

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At the rally in Auckland's Aotea Square, Ahmed Bhamji, chairman of the Mount Roskill Masjid E Umar, which is associated with The Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand, stated of the shooter who targeted the victims, “I really want to say one thing today. Do you think this guy was alone? … I want to ask you, where did he get the funding from? I will not mince words. I stand here and I say I have very, very strong suspicion that there is some group behind him and I am not afraid to say I feel that Mossad is behind this.”

An onlooker shouted, “It’s the truth! Israel is behind this. That's right!"