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Title: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Ben on October 17, 2019, 07:14:09 AM
My beloved Milwaukee Hole Shooter, one of only two corded power tools I still own (the other is an old Skil 77), seems to have died. I haven't used it since the move, but needed to drill some big holes in steel, so broke it out. I plugged it in, hit the trigger, and... nothing.

Any ideas on stuff a moron could check? New Hole Shooters are freakin' expensive. Plus this a circa 1980s one, when they didn't skimp on anything quality-wise.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: RocketMan on October 17, 2019, 07:15:46 AM
Could be the switch.  Could be as simple as a failed power cord.  Could be the motor winding failed like my Dad's old Skil drill I was trying to rebuild.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Phyphor on October 17, 2019, 07:32:23 AM
Do they have a fuse inside the drill housing?


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: brimic on October 17, 2019, 07:37:01 AM
Brushes?


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Ben on October 17, 2019, 07:42:48 AM
I will open it up in a little while here and see if I can see anything obvious.

I looked at the wrong place, apparently, when I said new ones were expensive. They don't seem to be out of line with other brands with similar power, but they sure don't get great reviews anymore.

If I have to replace it, I might just get a Ridgid and be done with it. I have had good luck with that house brand.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Nick1911 on October 17, 2019, 07:53:28 AM
Take it apart, start probing out continuity.  Might be something simple.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Fly320s on October 17, 2019, 08:19:46 AM
Is it plugged in?

Does that outlet work?

Turn it off and on?


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: adively on October 17, 2019, 09:01:56 AM
Is it plugged in?

Does that outlet work?

Turn it off and on?

When did you start working in IT?


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Ron on October 17, 2019, 09:09:32 AM
Spin the chuck manually for a bit.

Ive pulled old power drills out that haven't been used for a ling time and have had them run slow, smoke a little then all of a sudden start running normal


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 17, 2019, 11:00:08 AM
Brushes?

First thing to check.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 17, 2019, 11:02:07 AM

If I have to replace it, I might just get a Ridgid and be done with it. I have had good luck with that house brand.

When did Ridgid become a house brand? And of what house?

I worked in a factory for two summers during college beack in the 1960s, making swimming pool filters. A lot of the tools in the shop were Ridgid brand -- that brand was sold by all the plumbing supply houses.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Ben on October 17, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
When did Ridgid become a house brand? And of what house?

I worked in a factory for two summers during college beack in the 1960s, making swimming pool filters. A lot of the tools in the shop were Ridgid brand -- that brand was sold by all the plumbing supply houses.

Didn't know that. I've only ever seen the brand sold at Home Despot.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Ben on October 17, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
Spin the chuck manually for a bit.

Ive pulled old power drills out that haven't been used for a ling time and have had them run slow, smoke a little then all of a sudden start running normal

Dang Ron, that was it! I spun the chuck a bunch, hit the trigger, and the drill struggled for just a sec, then spun up and started running fine.

Thanks!


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: charby on October 17, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
Dang Ron, that was it! I spun the chuck a bunch, hit the trigger, and the drill struggled for just a sec, then spun up and started running fine.

Thanks!

Awesome I was going to post something similar to what Ron suggested but reading through the post he beat me to it, glad it worked out for you.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: 230RN on October 17, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
Brushes?

My one-worder, too, assuming there's actual power to it.

Test it by rotating the chuck a little.  Might just be a dead / dirty spot.

ETA:  Yeah, what Ron said.


Awesome I was going to post something similar to what Ron suggested but reading through the post he beat me to it, glad it worked out for you.

Me, too.

Nap time.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Kingcreek on October 17, 2019, 05:00:25 PM
Glad you got it running again.
I bought one of those for my dad sometime in the 1980ĺs. My mother told my sister and me that we could take whatever tools we wanted from dads 24x36 shop. When I got there my sister and her husband had already loaded a trailer with everything he wanted. I had always bought quality tools for dad for Christmas presents. Now my idiot BIL has some really nice tools. He was taking tools he didnĺt even know what they were used for but they looked like something he didnĺt have. Iĺm still sore about that.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: tokugawa on October 18, 2019, 09:45:22 PM
First thing to check.
Yep. Brushes.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 19, 2019, 05:42:28 AM
My mother told my sister and me that we could take whatever tools we wanted from dads 24x36 shop. When I got there my sister and her husband had already loaded a trailer with everything he wanted. I had always bought quality tools for dad for Christmas presents. Now my idiot BIL has some really nice tools. He was taking tools he didnĺt even know what they were used for but they looked like something he didnĺt have. Iĺm still sore about that.

I'm sorry you went through that. My brother did the same thing when my grandfather died.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: 230RN on October 19, 2019, 06:41:10 AM
Yep. Brushes.

In older "hole shooters," this sometimes results from stalling the motor while drilling.  There's lots of current going into those one or two segments of the commutator with no back-EMF to oppose it.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: fistful on October 22, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Since I already have Milwaukee 12V batteries for my screw gun, I'm going to get one of their 12V drills. Is there any reason why I should get the 3/8" instead of the 1/2"? The cost is about $70 for either one.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: charby on October 22, 2019, 01:31:02 PM
Since I already have Milwaukee 12V batteries for my screw gun, I'm going to get one of their 12V drills. Is there any reason why I should get the 3/8" instead of the 1/2"? The cost is about $70 for either one.

Depends if you are planning on using small drill bits or not, think of under 1/16" of an inch. If you are going to be on the small side, then 3/8" chuck is what you want, if you are going to be on the bigger side, then go 1/2"


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: 230RN on October 22, 2019, 06:18:32 PM
Get the 1/2".  If you have to use smaller diameters, chuck a pin vise into the 1/2" chuck, and the tool into the pin vise.

However, guiding a small tool (e.g. 1/16" bit) chucked into a heavy hand drill results in a high breakage rate unless you're stone cold sober, had a good night's sleep, and had no coffee since Tuesday.


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: fistful on October 22, 2019, 06:41:34 PM
Depends if you are planning on using small drill bits or not, think of under 1/16" of an inch. If you are going to be on the small side, then 3/8" chuck is what you want, if you are going to be on the bigger side, then go 1/2"

OK, I hadn't really thought about that. I think, just to get my money's worth, I'll get the 1/2" chuck, and keep plenty of hex-drive drill bits on hand in those really small sizes. (I mean for the screw gun.)


Title: Re: My Poor Milwaukee Hole Shooter
Post by: dogmush on October 22, 2019, 09:18:16 PM
Be aware that chucking a pin vise and or smaller chuck into a bigger chuck adds rotational inertia (which helps snap smaller pits) as well as runout.  Runout is not normally an issue with hand drilling although I have seen some Home Depot grade chucks that had enough runout you couldn't use them even in a hand drill, so it's worth remembering.

I would also caution that issues with chucks and cost cutting aren't just their size, but their holding as well.  I *expletive deleted*ed up a lot of nice drill bits and driver bits by letting them spin in chucks that you couldn't possibly get tight enough due to crap design and assembly.  For a screw gun that will mostly run hex driver bits, not a big deal, but for a drill and drill bits, especially small ones, it can make a big difference.

I've been slowly changing the chucks on my main drills out to vintage Jacobs Super Chucks (which are rebuildable) as I find deals on ebay.  I confess, my cordless still wears the craptastic keyless it came with, but I no longer put round things in it.



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