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Title: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: K Frame on January 30, 2020, 02:20:24 PM
First US human-to-human transmission confirmed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/cdc-confirms-first-human-to-human-transmission-of-coronavirus-in-us.html

WE ALL GON DIE!
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on January 30, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
We are all going to die, just a matter of when and how...
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: HankB on January 30, 2020, 02:39:01 PM
I saw on TV that many people apparently think the Corona virus is being spread this way:

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/grub/2015/06/16/16-corona-beer.w710.h473.2x.jpg)
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 30, 2020, 02:53:13 PM
I saw on TV that many people apparently think the Corona virus is being spread this way:

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/grub/2015/06/16/16-corona-beer.w710.h473.2x.jpg)
Is it the Corona or the limes? 

Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 30, 2020, 02:54:03 PM
Governor Newsom Declares California A Coronavirus-Free Zone
https://babylonbee.com/news/governor-newsom-declares-california-a-coronavirus-free-zone


Looks like California is going to be okay.  They figured out the solution.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 30, 2020, 02:55:37 PM
First US human-to-human transmission confirmed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/cdc-confirms-first-human-to-human-transmission-of-coronavirus-in-us.html

WE ALL GON DIE!

'bout damn time. Though I still think an asteroid strike would have been more fun.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 30, 2020, 02:57:40 PM
Governor Newsom Declares California A Coronavirus-Free Zone
https://babylonbee.com/news/governor-newsom-declares-california-a-coronavirus-free-zone


Looks like California is going to be okay.  They figured out the solution.

... which should be as effective as this:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/8fb0fc81-facf-4a4d-b660-cd3bce1dfd92.jpg)
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 30, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
... which should be as effective as this:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/8fb0fc81-facf-4a4d-b660-cd3bce1dfd92.jpg)

Does that mean they have no X-ray machines?  Do they allow tritium night sights?  (oh yeah, they are anti-gun so probably not)
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: TechMan on January 30, 2020, 04:03:55 PM
'bout damn time. Though I still think an asteroid strike would have been more fun.

RKL, you and asteroids.... =D :P
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Sindawe on February 01, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
Came across an article last night that indicates there are some odd insertions into the genome of this virus, looking like they are from the HIV virus.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: HankB on February 01, 2020, 03:10:41 PM
Came across an article last night that indicates there are some odd insertions into the genome of this virus, looking like they are from the HIV virus.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
The Chinese may be operating biowarfare facilities in Wuhan . . . hmmm . . . maybe something got out. [tinfoil]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/)
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: WLJ on February 01, 2020, 03:19:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G12kp2bslqk
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Boomhauer on February 01, 2020, 03:50:04 PM
My money is definitely on this being a bioengineered virus
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: TommyGunn on February 01, 2020, 04:09:06 PM
My money is definitely on this being a bioengineered virus
:facepalm:  Geeesh!   That would be karmic if true.   A real Andromeda Strain.

Although, if they ARE bioengineering a weapon, wouldn't it be more deadly?

Perhaps  this was the 1.0 version....experimental ....and the new improved version hasn't escaped.




Yet.




Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Silver Bullet on February 01, 2020, 04:26:20 PM
The Chinese will transmit Corona through the air in the little bubble wraps that come in every package I get in the mail.   :old:
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: WLJ on February 01, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
:facepalm:  Geeesh!   That would be karmic if true.   A real Andromeda Strain.

Although, if they ARE bioengineering a weapon, wouldn't it be more deadly?


Not deadly enough to end the world but deadly enough to disrupt and distract an enemy and perhaps cause enough deaths to crash their economy
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ben on February 01, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
Not deadly enough to end the world but deadly enough to disrupt and distract an enemy and perhaps cause enough deaths to crash their economy

Not that I'm ready to say this is mil bioengineering gone awry, but yeah, you really don't need Spanish flu death numbers to start a panic. Way fewer deaths and leaking that it is in fact a Racoon City virus is all that's needed for some pretty significant panic.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: WLJ on February 01, 2020, 06:20:03 PM
At this point most if not all of this stuff is still in the tin-foil-hat category as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: 230RN on February 01, 2020, 06:59:40 PM
Funny, this morning I was tempted to remark about whether this was a war virus that got loose.

I didn't, thinking I'd be decried as being ultra-paranoid, and I come on here now and find others have thought the same thing.

So I ain't paranoid?

How about that?  I must tell "certain people."

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Fly320s on February 01, 2020, 07:27:20 PM
Funny, this morning I was tempted to remark about whether this was a war virus that got loose.

I didn't, thinking I'd be decried as being ultra-paranoid, and I come on here now and find others have thought the same thing.

So I ain't paranoid?

How about that?  I must tell "certain people."

Terry, 230RN

Yes, you are paranoid.  And so are those other people.

China has a population of 1.4 billion.  They live in densely populated cities, have poor pollution control, and eat weird stuff including bat soup.  I'm surprised China doesn't get worse diseases every year.   
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ron on February 01, 2020, 07:30:21 PM
Of course this is the month I'm supposed to fly twice  :facepalm:

Was in O'Hare this week and possibly again in two weeks.

Hopefully this thing is contained. I hate the flu 😷
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ben on February 01, 2020, 07:32:52 PM
Yes, you are paranoid.  And so are those other people.

China has a population of 1.4 billion.  They live in densely populated cities, have poor pollution control, and eat weird stuff including bat soup.  I'm surprised China doesn't get worse diseases every year.   

Which is along the lines of what I've been saying about the plain old flu being like 1000X as deadly as the beer virus, and not only do we not care, we have active national discussions on the validity (or not) of the flu shot.

But to the panic point, "govt" or natural, it doesn't take much to cause a panic. I mean, the beer virus is already causing a mild panic what with the stock market and quarantines and banned flights and whatnot.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: French G. on February 01, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
Of course this is the month I'm supposed to fly twice  :facepalm:

Was in O'Hare this week and possibly again in two weeks.

Hopefully this thing is contained. I hate the flu 😷

Cough a lot. Maybe you get a free row of seats to yourself.  >:D [popcorn]
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 01, 2020, 11:05:29 PM
Tyvek suit with hood and mask, rubber gloves and booties.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: 230RN on February 02, 2020, 04:16:31 AM
I'm wondering how much of those paper masks' protection is due to the fact that they discourage touching your nose and mouth after your fingers have been contaminated with outside germs.

I know they aren't worth much in terms of actual filtering, especially if you need a shave or have many wrinkles.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: bedlamite on February 02, 2020, 04:27:02 AM
Tyvek suit with hood and mask, rubber gloves and booties.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/airline-removes-gas-mask-wearing-passenger-panics-travelers/story?id=68687275
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: RocketMan on February 02, 2020, 06:09:07 AM
I'm not all that worried about the corona virus.  Everything from China breaks or fails, so it won't be around long.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: charby on February 02, 2020, 01:13:03 PM
This novel strain of the coronavirus does have the potential to be just like MERS which is a another coronavirus that has a 30% mortality rate of those who get infected.

Coronavirus gets is name because of a ring of sugary proteins that surround the envelope of the viral package. Corona means crown. 
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Cliffh on February 13, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
Yes, the "normal" flu kills many more people than this beer virus.  And the beer virus doesn't seem like it's going t o reach those kind of numbers.

But, how can we tell it's time to run/hide/hunker down if/when an actual killer virus does show up?  How to tell when the "Aw *expletive deleted*it!" moment has arrived?
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: K Frame on February 14, 2020, 07:22:24 AM
"But, how can we tell it's time to run/hide/hunker down if/when an actual killer virus does show up?"

When you cough and your lungs pop out of your mouth. That's a sign.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Nick1911 on February 14, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
Yes, the "normal" flu kills many more people than this beer virus.  And the beer virus doesn't seem like it's going t o reach those kind of numbers.

But, how can we tell it's time to run/hide/hunker down if/when an actual killer virus does show up?  How to tell when the "Aw *expletive deleted*it!" moment has arrived?

A bit of a personal decision based on your own risk tolerance and whatnot.  Detection and reporting will lag actual infections.  Anyway, I personally wouldn't be particularly concerned until the following conditions are met:

1) Community spread in the local region / contact tracing has broken down.
2) Disease that is significantly infections /easily spread.
3) Disease has significant mortality rate for otherwise healthy folks.

This would prompt me to limit contact with people as much as possible, become more fastidious about hand hygiene and carefully watch local developments.

My wife and I are both tied into the medical industry, so it's entirely possible that either or both of us will become involved as part of the response effort, which also increases risk, but so be it - somebody needs to help folks fighting for their lives. 
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Unisaw on February 14, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
I'm wondering how much of those paper masks' protection is due to the fact that they discourage touching your nose and mouth after your fingers have been contaminated with outside germs.

I know they aren't worth much in terms of actual filtering, especially if you need a shave or have many wrinkles.

Terry, 230RN

Wearing oven mitts would probably be just as effective.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2020, 08:09:25 AM
Interesting tangent: I don't know the accuracy, but heard it on the news this morning: China apparently manufactures 90% of our generic drugs for us. That was a surprisingly high percentage to me.

Certainly makes for some interesting tinfoil biowar speculation. There's a zombie apocalypse novel in there somewhere.  :laugh:
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: charby on February 15, 2020, 09:43:09 AM
Interesting tangent: I don't know the accuracy, but heard it on the news this morning: China apparently manufactures 90% of our generic drugs for us. That was a surprisingly high percentage to me.

Got a news source for that?

I can see tech/active ingredients being China sourced, but not the finished product.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2020, 09:47:56 AM
Got a news source for that?

I can see tech/active ingredients being China sourced, but not the finished product.

Did you read my post and the caveat? I said I saw it on the news, Fox Business,  I believe Dr Nicole Saphire. If i had an article, I would have posted it.

EDIT: To satisfy currently contrarian curmudgeon Charby, I did his skeptic googling for him, using commie pinko news sources he approves of:

https://www.wired.com/story/8-ways-overseas-drug-manufacturers-dupe-fda/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/16/723545864/the-generic-drugs-youre-taking-may-not-be-as-safe-or-effective-as-you-think
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on February 15, 2020, 12:53:52 PM
Ayeiieeee! If the generics thing is true, I would definitely want to know the source of the genetics before taking them and definitely would not take one if it were made in China.
I’ve been in the chemical/pharmaceutical industry for over 20 years, and have seen very few suppliers of any chemical from China that wasn’t completely sketchy.  Many that I’ve dealt with were dishonest at best, and outright fraudulent at worst.


Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: charby on February 15, 2020, 01:23:21 PM
Did you read my post and the caveat? I said I saw it on the news, Fox Business,  I believe Dr Nicole Saphire. If i had an article, I would have posted it.

EDIT: To satisfy currently contrarian curmudgeon Charby, I did his skeptic googling for him, using commie pinko news sources he approves of:

https://www.wired.com/story/8-ways-overseas-drug-manufacturers-dupe-fda/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/16/723545864/the-generic-drugs-youre-taking-may-not-be-as-safe-or-effective-as-you-think

Didn't know a simple question was so offensive, what's your address again so I can send you a Snickers.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: charby on February 15, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Ayeiieeee! If the generics thing is true, I would definitely want to know the source of the genetics before taking them and definitely would not take one if it were made in China.
I’ve been in the chemical/pharmaceutical industry for over 20 years, and have seen very few suppliers of any chemical from China that wasn’t completely sketchy.  Many that I’ve dealt with were dishonest at best, and outright fraudulent at worst.




I'm used to the pesticide chemical trade stream, because of my work, it's crazy how much technical material is sourced from China and formulated here. Especially the generic pesticides. I know in my line of work, I do draw samples of formulation from trade stream to check the purity as advertised.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: bedlamite on February 15, 2020, 09:13:18 PM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 15, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
Corona Virus is gonna kill us all? Damn. I was hoping to meet my end at the hands of a jealous husband ...

Woody
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Jim147 on February 15, 2020, 09:28:11 PM
Well some relationships se m to be more open these days.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Cliffh on February 15, 2020, 09:35:45 PM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1

Nasty little bugger.

Doesn't China have a population problem?
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 15, 2020, 10:44:55 PM
Nasty little bugger.

Doesn't China have a population problem?

Not for long maybe...
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2020, 07:32:31 AM
Didn't know a simple question was so offensive, what's your address again so I can send you a Snickers.

I appreciate the offer, but USPS doesn't deliver to me and I need to take like six bus transfers to get to the UPS pickup because everyone is always stealing my packages.  =D
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: charby on February 16, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
I appreciate the offer, but USPS doesn't deliver to me and I need to take like six bus transfers to get to the UPS pickup because everyone is always stealing my packages.  =D

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/85/51/f08551aed20a2bf7fd9f8947b8bd189c.jpg)
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Ron on February 16, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
There are reports that it has been confirmed the virus escaped the lab near ground zero.

The conspiracy theories are being proved true more frequently than the straight mainstream news [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on February 16, 2020, 08:49:49 PM
There are reports that it has been confirmed the virus escaped the lab near ground zero.

The conspiracy theories occam’s razor being proved true more frequently than the straight mainstream news [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on February 16, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/alleged-c-d-c-text-messages-say-over-1-000-infected-with-coronavirus-in-u-s-a-being-deliberately-concealed

This one doesnt feel truthy, but if it is true, there isnt much anyone can do anyway.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: MechAg94 on February 17, 2020, 01:51:58 PM
https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto/status/1228637753941753857?s=09

Quote
#BREAKING: South China University of Technology biologist Xiao Botao exposed that the #COVID19 might have originated from an animal research lab 280m away from the epicentre of the outbreak. The scientists were reportedly bitten by bats used for a test on louse. H/T:
@mantaichow

Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: WLJ on February 17, 2020, 01:54:03 PM
12 Monkeys Snakes Bats
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on February 17, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
'Being bitten by or eating a bat' narrative is coming from the same government that that has been suppressing numbers of people infected or dead.

This copypasta is about as believable as someone acquiring an airborne or droplet borne contagion from a bat bite:  https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/f2b07y/i_am_a_senior_chinese_military_intelligence/
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: MechAg94 on February 17, 2020, 04:07:35 PM
'Being bitten by or eating a bat' narrative is coming from the same government that that has been suppressing numbers of people infected or dead.

This copypasta is about as believable as someone acquiring an airborne or droplet borne contagion from a bat bite:  https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/f2b07y/i_am_a_senior_chinese_military_intelligence/
I just thought it was funny as well as interesting.  Not many reputable news stories giving useful information so we have to turn to other sources for entertainment.   =)

There are diseases transmitted via bites or bodily fluids.  It also sounds like more than one person was bitten and didn't get sick according to all that stuff.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: brimic on February 17, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
I just thought it was funny as well as interesting.  Not many reputable news stories giving useful information so we have to turn to other sources for entertainment.   =)
https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto
In that light, it is amusing.  This guy claims to be a part time reporter for CNN and NYT.
This is a big case of the 'Emperor's new clothes' with all of the news agencies constantly repeating the company line, without regard to all of the anecdotal information (or disinformation) leaking out of China.
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Kingcreek on February 17, 2020, 07:13:57 PM
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 18, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
Does alcohol kill corona virus? Maybe we can all go on a bender 'till the threat is over! [popcorn]

Woody
Title: Re: It's official! The Corona Virus is going to kill us all!
Post by: Jim147 on February 18, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
If it does I have nothing to worry about.