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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on February 26, 2020, 08:10:47 AM
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So my predictions about this election have been spectacularly wrong1, but that's not going to stop me from making more!
I think Bernie doesn't want to be the nominee and has made a deal with the DNC to REALLY push socialism, so that when he loses (by chicanery or honestly loses), they can claim their nominee is a "moderate" because he (or she, Warren and Klobuchar are still out there) hasn't praised Castro and Mao. (Openly, at least.)
Maybe I'm giving the Democrats too much credit (always a danger), but I can't believe they will tear off the mask they've been wearing for 50 years, i.e. pretending that they don't want socialism, all the while advancing it everywhere they have power.
1: Hey, it's tough to make predictions. Especially about the future.
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1: Hey, it's tough to make predictions. Especially about the future.
Not if the future is actually history. ;)
https://mariandigitalnetwork.com/2018/02/13/matt-groening-is-a-time-traveler-a-simpsons-conspiracy-theory/
bob
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I think Bernie doesn't want to be the nominee
I think you should quit the prediction business. =)
Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it. The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats.
Did you see how angry he got when he was booed? He said Castro and other dictators should be praised because of their free-education programs for the citizens. The crowd booed and Bernie became visibly agitated.
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I think you should quit the prediction business. =)
Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it. The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats.
Did you see how angry he got when he was booed? He said Castro and other dictators should be praised because of their free-education programs for the citizens. The crowd booed and Bernie became visibly agitated.
Agree. I think the guy was brainwashed to be a sleeper by the KGB when he used to visit the USSR. :)
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So my predictions about this election have been spectacularly wrong1, but that's not going to stop me from making more!
You're not alone in that.
I don't remember what brought me there, but I ended up taking a trip down memory lane in this thread the other day:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=50931.0
It was a nice reminder that I shouldn't put too much stock in the opinions & predictions that get posted around here. :laugh:
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Maybe I'm giving the Democrats too much credit
You absolutely are.
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Do you think Bernie likes stumping for communism on the campaign trail, but doesn't actually want to be in charge of anything? That might fit what I know of his history. However, all these guys have egos and think they can lead better than the other guy.
I hear a lot of stuff said that the Dem Party leadership does't want Bernie so who knows what they might do to try to undercut him.
Super Tuesday is coming up. We will see if Southern states vote for him also. I heard someone talking about Bill Clinton's first Presidential run and I think he didn't win a state until fairly late.
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Do you think Bernie likes stumping for communism on the campaign trail, but doesn't actually want to be in charge of anything? That might fit what I know of his history. However, all these guys have egos and think they can lead better than the other guy.
I hear a lot of stuff said that the Dem Party leadership does't want Bernie so who knows what they might do to try to undercut him.
Super Tuesday is coming up. We will see if Southern states vote for him also. I heard someone talking about Bill Clinton's first Presidential run and I think he didn't win a state until fairly late.
Clinton was an absolute nobody (Governor of ARKANSAS? Quick, who is the current governor of Arkansas?) but people voted for him because the two expected front runners (I believe Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas) savaged each other and the Democrats rolled the dice on him.
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You're not alone in that.
I don't remember what brought me there, but I ended up taking a trip down memory lane in this thread the other day:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=50931.0
It was a nice reminder that I shouldn't put too much stock in the opinions & predictions that get posted around here. :laugh:
Fascinating read, I was pretty wrong and pretty right about some things.
That was obviously before I read Scott Adams piece about Trump being a wizard.
Trump's rhetorical dismantling of the left eventually won me over.
I know he's a New York gangster but he's a gangster loyal to the USA.
That's more than you can say about most of the Dems running for prez.
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Agree. I think the guy was brainwashed to be a sleeper by the KGB when he used to visit the USSR went to college
FIFY
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"Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it. The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats."
This. 100% this. Except Bernie doesn't want socialism. He wants Socialism... The kind of top down state-directed socialist planning and government control that Castro instituted in Cuba, or Maduro in Venezuela. Everyone knows that their plans were good, it was just a case of the wrong people being in charge. Isn't it funny how the right people are never in charge, but all of front-runners for "let's try it again!" always assume that they're the right person to make it work?
Hubris, and out and out lies. They know it's a lie, but they're hoping that once again the people can be duped. That's why there's been a never ending shower of free *expletive deleted*it.
And another thing... everyone on the left is screeching about how Trump is a demagogue... yeah, he is to some degree, I won't deny that.
But Bernie's absolutely NO different. Only instead of pitting races against each other, he's pitting the rich against the middle class/poor. In its own frightening way, that's hardcore Stalinism right there. With Stalin it was the Kulaks. With Bernie it's the billionaires.
Stalin exterminated the Kulaks. Bernie wants to exterminate the billionaires.
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I think Bernie would willingly accept the one ring to rule them all.
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<rant>
Well, I've been vilified and castigated quite a number of times in the past several decades for pointing out that "socialism" is merely another word for communism.
So now that it's out in the open, I guess you can say my "prediction" came true.
The trouble is HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) and its guru, Senator Joseph McCarthy, went overboard in its activities (Hollywood blacklist, etc.) so that the unfairness of calling someone a traitor or a "commie" without hard evidence blurred the actual need for exposing disloyalty.
There were no "fellow travelers" any more. There were "socialists" and "progressives" and "liberals" and other ooey-gooey acceptable names for Communists and their lemming-like dupes.
Control the language and you control the issue.
</rant>
Boy, that felt good. =D
Terry. 230RN
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"Boy, that felt good."
OK, Grandpa, time for your warm Ovaltine and nap... you've had an active morning and you're getting cranky. :rofl:
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And as long as we're making predictions...
Bernie will win the nomination much like Trump did - no majority and the establishment against him but his opposition too divided to coalesce around anyone else and with such rabid supporters, no way to rig it at the convention.
After that I think a lot depends on the pandemic & economic situation.
As the senator continues his march toward the nomination, stock-market investors will give him a higher and higher chance of winning the presidency. Stocks are largely a confidence game, and this is not good for that confidence. Investors in the many industries Sanders has targeted, including tech, health care, energy, banking, pharmaceuticals and more, will have real reason to be nervous. All it takes is people to start to hedge and hedge, then hedge some more; and following Sanders’ sizable weekend win, some market analysts are seeing just that.
A 5.3 percent drop in the markets between now and the fall is broadly regarded as a recession — just in time for the election. Combine the ghost of Sanders with the growing likelihood of a global pandemic, and incoming economic pain seems near certain — and very possibly far worse than 5.3 percent. This, you can be certain, is terrible news for a divisive incumbent president up for reelection.
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I'm still firmly in the "Sanders isn't electable" camp. And I'm hoping he's either the candidate, or he gets it taken from him in a brokered convention, and whoever they replace him with is so damaged and suffering from DNC enthusiasm gap that they can't win either.
Honestly, (sadly) for many voters, the talk about Socialism vs. Capitalism is just too damn highbrow. If you focus on that alone, I guarantee you're over thinking it. I'm convinced that the optics, mannerisms, and speech of a candidate mean far more to the "middle" and "undecideds" than policy and party. And it's been that way since Kennedy beat Nixon after the first televised debates. And in elections where candidate optics and style are close, like 2000 Bush v. Gore, folksy "aw shucks" Bush, vs. Newscaster-like Gore, the election is close. And where it's far apart, like Reagan vs. Carter '80, or Reagan vs. Mondale '84, the election results are further apart. School-marm'ish Bush Sr. managed to beat out Dukakis because he looked like a bobblehead in that (in)famous tank photo op. Then it flipped, Bill Clinton's Saxophone vs. George Bush won the day. Obama's skill as an orator (when on teleprompter) beat out McCain. I think Hillary's shrill cold and inauthentic imperious style was very different, but evenly matched with Trump's bombast, and you see it in the popular vote, and Trump "only" managed to win on an Electoral College path through the northern Rustbelt on cultural issues.
Other than Ford v. Carter who was arguably irreparably damaged by Nixon's fallout, it can be argued that for the past 50-60 years, the more photogenic candidate and the one who was more likable in their manner of speech has won. Trump is insufferably bombastic, but his delivery is light years beyond Bernie's quavery "you kids get outta my yard" old man mannerisms.
It matters less in the primaries because the lack of undecideds, squishy middle, and low information voters mean that's a much purer ideological contest than the general election is, despite the general election being more polarized. And that's why you've got this plurality of "I'm a Democrat but I can't vote for a Socialist"-voters opposed to Bernie, they just can't decide to get behind one other candidate. It's still important to note that when it comes to an enthusiasm gap for Democrats while Bernie is either winning contests or polling 1st or 2nd place, he's never come close to a majority. (And Trump in some states like NH has doubled or tripled incumbent president primary turnout over what Clinton, Bush, and Obama got, and beat everyone since Reagan...)
Assuming that the delegate process is still ultimately under their thumb, and Bernie doesn't come into Milwaukee with an insurmountable majority of delegates... I think it might be coming down to the DNC deciding how it is they want to lose. They're trying to decide if the down-ballot damage in House and Senate races with a Bernie candidacy is worth the trouncing they'll get. And the hope is, that can be used as a club to beat the DNC's Left wing into submission for a generation. (See how badly you hurt us? Now shut up, and go away vote for the establishment Democrats like you are told to!) And they probably want to save someone like Buttigieg on the bench for 2024, when the 8 year presidency party flip momentum is stronger. OTOH, they may want to run someone less damaging, but still likely to lose, hoping to retain control of the House.
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(https://i2.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/bernie-sanders-dnc-tony-harding-nancy-kerrigan.jpg?resize=500%2C525&ssl=1)
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<rant>
Well, I've been vilified and castigated quite a number of times in the past several decades for pointing out that "socialism" is merely another word for communism.
So now that it's out in the open, I guess you can say my "prediction" came true.
The trouble is HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) and its guru, Senator Joseph McCarthy, went overboard in its activities (Hollywood blacklist, etc.) so that the unfairness of calling someone a traitor or a "commie" without hard evidence blurred the actual need for exposing disloyalty.
There were no "fellow travelers" any more. There were "socialists" and "progressives" and "liberals" and other ooey-gooey acceptable names for Communists and their lemming-like dupes.
Control the language and you control the issue.
</rant>
Boy, that felt good. =D
Terry. 230RN
"Boy, that felt good."
OK, Grandpa, time for your warm Ovaltine and nap... you've had an active morning and you're getting cranky. :rofl:
:rofl:
Been cranky since Carter. Breathed a sigh of relief when he was a one-termer.
Wondered where the end of the tunnel was when Clinton won his second term.
Been trying to push the pendulum the other way ever since. Makes you a mite cranky, though.
Terry
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:rofl:
Been cranky since Carter. Breathed a sigh of relief when he was a one-termer.
Wondered where the end of the tunnel was when Clinton won his second term.
Been trying to push the pendulum the other way ever since. Makes you a mite cranky, though.
Terry
So do y'all think Bernie will do better or worse than Bob Dole?
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So I should vote for Bernie in the SC primary?
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Real mature and it's only going to get worse
‘Berners’ show up at night with bullhorns at homes of Democratic Party officials
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
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So I should vote for Bernie in the SC primary?
Yup.
I'm doing the same in Ohio. Love the look on the local polling volunteers faces when I say "Democrat" when asked what ballot >:D. Everybody knows everybody here, and they all know I'm the farthest thing from.
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Yup.
I'm doing the same in Ohio. Love the look on the local polling volunteers faces when I say "Democrat" when asked what ballot >:D. Everybody knows everybody here, and they all know I'm the farthest thing from.
I feel the Bern!!!! He's got my vote in the WA primary. :)
bob
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Looks like some of the party influencers are getting rather nervous about the though of Bernie Sanders as the candidate and are moving to stop him from being the party nominee...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/megadonor-urges-pelosi-schumer-to-pick-candidate-to-stop-bernie-sanders.html
I'm thinking I may vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary...
IF I can enter a Democratic primary without either projectile vomiting or bursting into flames.
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Hey, so you know what a great way would be to get me onboard with Bernie? Come to my house in the middle of the night with a bullhorn and threaten me to vote Bernie, "or else".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
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Get with the times, Ben!
WLJ beat you to the punch, slowpoke! :rofl:
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Hey, so you know what a great way would be to get me onboard with Bernie? Come to my house in the middle of the night with a bullhorn and threaten me to vote Bernie, "or else".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
And if we started talking about the three S's, people would get upset at us. =|
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"And if we started talking about the three S's,..."
*expletive deleted*it, shower, and shave?
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Hey, so you know what a great way would be to get me onboard with Bernie? Come to my house in the middle of the night with a bullhorn and threaten me to vote Bernie, "or else".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
Checking my sympathy gauge.... yep. Still at zero.
These.... officials... have been winking and nodding at this crap when done to conservatives, giggling about it, even. They can lie in their own bed.
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Get with the times, Ben!
WLJ beat you to the punch, slowpoke! :rofl:
Dammit. One of these days I'm going to learn to wait till cup of coffee #2 before I post in the morning. :laugh:
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Hey, so you know what a great way would be to get me onboard with Bernie? Come to my house in the middle of the night with a bullhorn and threaten me to vote Bernie, "or else".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
Wouldn't shoot them but I'd damn sure get the garden hose after them.
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Wouldn't shoot them but I'd damn sure get the garden hose after them.
Probably be the first bath many of them have had in awhile
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Wouldn't shoot them but I'd damn sure get the garden hose after them.
I would call you a racist, but of course Bernie-bros are all white supremacists, anyhow.
https://www.mediaite.com/radio/msnbcs-jason-johnson-says-racist-liberal-whites-love-bernie-sanders-calls-out-staffers-as-island-of-misfit-black-girls/
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I would call you a racist, but of course Bernie-bros are all white supremacists, anyhow.
https://www.mediaite.com/radio/msnbcs-jason-johnson-says-racist-liberal-whites-love-bernie-sanders-calls-out-staffers-as-island-of-misfit-black-girls/
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BelatedLikableGoa-size_restricted.gif)
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Wait, what?
I have it on the best authority (Washington Post and New York Times) that ALL white supremacists are Trump supporters.
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Real mature and it's only going to get worse
‘Berners’ show up at night with bullhorns at homes of Democratic Party officials
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
Best comment in that article:
And that's just what they do to their allies.
— JoesBarAndCult (@JoesBarAndCult) February 27, 2020
Parable? Allegory? Metaphor? Whatever:
https://youtu.be/Cw4_e6wYosQ (0:21)
Terry
Full version of that ^ clip, if interested, with discussion, interviews, etc.:
https://youtu.be/hSZEIZ9eFtY (2:59)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B9Hd8P_BP0D/
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Tangential, but interesting look back to the 70's in relation to Sanders et al vs Trump today:
After Richard Nixon's landslide 1972 victory over Democratic opponent George McGovern, New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael gave a speech in which she said: "I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them."
Same snowflakes who never cross the Hudson River, different era.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/larry-elder-republicans-are-ready-to-party-like-1972
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Moved.
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My brother in AZ keeps sending me Berine videos :facepalm:
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My brother in AZ keeps sending me Berine videos :facepalm:
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGL_VWx9Yg
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Apparently the term "Bernie Bros" is insensitive.
Jennifer Granholm apologizes to all for using the term ‘Bernie Bros’ on the air
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/29/jennifer-granholm-apologizes-to-all-for-using-the-term-bernie-bros-on-the-air/
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I keep wondering why Bernie lost so badly this weekend. Maybe there were too many brands of deodorant?
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I keep wondering why Bernie lost so badly this weekend. Maybe there were too many brands of deodorant?
Because he is trying to sell his socialist yankee ideas in the South.
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Because he is trying to sell his socialist yankee ideas in the South.
I'm pretty sure socialism is not a product of the Yanks.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx
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https://youtu.be/eXY963Kpi18?t=859
Why Democrats Can't Beat Trump in 2020
At about the 14 min mark, Crowder compares Bernie's reaction to getting booed to Trump getting booed in a past debate. Interesting difference. I gotta wonder if Bernie will maintain a base support, but his overall support will fade.
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I'm pretty sure socialism is not a product of the Yanks.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx
Who said they created it? They bought it, and they're carriers.
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I'm pretty sure socialism is not a product of the Yanks.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx
I'm not saying yankess or Bernie created socialism. I'm saying Bernie's socialist ideas don't sell well in the South, not even with other democrats.
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I'm not saying yankess or Bernie created socialism. I'm saying Bernie's socialist ideas don't sell well in the South, not even with other democrats.
I'm getting more and more cynical, and I'm thinking that elections are not merely decided by undecided/moderate voters, nor are they decided by low-information voters, but instead are decided by undecided/moderate-low-information-voters UMLIV's.
The primaries by their nature are usually more ideological and higher information than the general election actually is. And while he's not gotten a majority, and the plurality of all the other candidates combined has outdone him still... Bernie has been pulling down wins because of his platform being a reactionary equivalent on the Left. (Reactionary is usually a label for the Right, but we know that's because the Left likes to twist language to their ends, and of course being honest, there's a reactionary Left too..)
However, some states will just go by the optics, (face, speech, smile, delivery...) of which Biden's are infinitely better than Bernies, and I think that in some states and some demographics, the optics are of increased importance.
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Bernie doesn't believe in charity:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/02/da-yum-we-didnt-think-it-was-possible-but-ben-shapiro-just-made-bernie-sanders-look-even-more-like-a-*expletive deleted*bag/
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Bernie doesn't believe in charity:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/02/da-yum-we-didnt-think-it-was-possible-but-ben-shapiro-just-made-bernie-sanders-look-even-more-like-a-*expletive deleted*bag/
That is actually not that unusual a position on the left. Their concern seem to be that private charity may be discriminatory in its distribution or that it makes the recipients somehow subordinate to the providers. Probably doesn't help that private charities are harder to control from the top down ....
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And when they do believe in charity, it comes at a shockingly high write off...
Was it Al Gore who claimed $25 tax credit per pair for used underwear donated to a homeless shelter?
I think it was him....
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Whoops, wrong thread