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Title: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2020, 06:49:55 AM Come and take it. And I don't even have a gas stove :P
Are gas furnaces next? Twitchy has this on VIP but here's a straight twitter link Quote Matt Bruenig https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1259245045074575363@MattBruenig · 19h after the covid, we should hire millions of people to go door to door, tearing out people's gas powered stoves and replacing them with electric, whether they want to or not The Twitchy VIP link Hot take: Let’s hire millions to go door to door tearing out people’s gas stoves after the COVID-19 crisis passes https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/09/hot-take-lets-hire-millions-to-go-door-to-door-tearing-out-peoples-gas-stoves-after-the-covid-19-crisis-passes/ Had to look this guy up From Wiki Quote Matthew Bruenig[1] (born November 22, 1988)[2][3] is an American lawyer, blogger, policy analyst, commentator,[4] and founder of the left-wing think tank People's Policy Project. He was a blogger for the American think tank Demos covering politics and public policy[5] and has written on issues including income distribution, taxation, welfare, elections, and Scandinavian economic models.[6][7][8] He is married to Elizabeth Bruenig,[9] formerly an opinion writer and editor at The Washington Post[10] who is now at The New York Times.[11] Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 10, 2020, 06:55:01 AM Quote after the covid, we should hire millions of people to go door to door, tearing out people's gas powered stoves and replacing them with electric, whether they want to or not Do you want to get shot? 'cause that's a damn good way to get yourself shot. [ar15] Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Nick1911 on May 10, 2020, 06:58:19 AM Well that's dumb.
For heating applications, it's much better to burn the fuel at point of use, then use it to make electricity first and incur Carnot cycle losses and transmission losses. Of course, that assumes that we are still burning things for electric power, and haven't done the sane, rational thing and use atomic energy... Something Matt probably also disagrees with. Also, who is Matt Bruenig and why should I concern myself with what he thinks? Sounds like a community organizer sort, lots of talk, no action. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: 230RN on May 10, 2020, 07:08:51 AM "whether they want to or not"
That tells it all with respect to left wing attitudes: "Comes the revolution, you will do as you're damned well told." Some good stuff in the responses. Hadn't heard this one before: "That lock on my door is for your protection, not mine. — Mark C, austere BBQ scholar(@UntraceableMC) May 9, 2020" Almost as good as ------------------------------ This property protected by J. M. Browning Security Services. est. 1911 ------------------------------ I came up with that one a couple of years ago and posted it on an inside wall of my apartment. Wouldn't want to look bloodthirsty, after all. Not copyrighted. Terry, 230RN Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Jim147 on May 10, 2020, 09:08:23 AM My wife would beat him to death before she gives up that duel fuel range.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: MechAg94 on May 10, 2020, 09:41:53 AM Looking at his twitter posts, he looks like an internet troll trying to stir things up. He might be a leftist, but I couldn't be sure.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2020, 11:27:06 AM Looking at his twitter posts, he looks like an internet troll trying to stir things up. He might be a leftist, but I couldn't be sure. Did you see the wiki info on him, he's flaming left Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Boomhauer on May 10, 2020, 02:54:25 PM Had to look this guy up From Wiki That’s a lot of words to say “useless *expletive deleted*ing mommy parts” Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: charby on May 10, 2020, 04:49:24 PM Everyone gets a free electrical panel upgrade? Doubt everyone has the power capacity for electric stove, electric dryer, electric furnace, electric water heater, and AC.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Kingcreek on May 10, 2020, 04:56:21 PM Living out in the sticks, I hope I get a free whole house gen with the deal.
The reason I have a propane oven and range and boiler and water heater is because they work when the electrical power is out and it’s -15 degrees with 3’ snow drifts in the road. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: 230RN on May 10, 2020, 05:21:51 PM I always figured electric stoves were pretty wasteful, what with warmup times and cooldown times just dissipating energy uselessly, let alone the possibility of kicking your billing into high demand rates.
(I'd love to see more atomic energy generated, too. What are we, at 20% now?) Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 10, 2020, 05:46:48 PM Everyone gets a free electrical panel upgrade? Doubt everyone has the power capacity for electric stove, electric dryer, electric furnace, electric water heater, and AC. When the right people are in charge you wont need heat or AC. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Hawkmoon on May 10, 2020, 05:53:30 PM Everyone gets a free electrical panel upgrade? Doubt everyone has the power capacity for electric stove, electric dryer, electric furnace, electric water heater, and AC. I seriously doubt the California power companies have the capacity to handle everyone switching to all electric. Heck, the power companies have been paying people NOT to use electricity for years. Maybe this clown thinks everyone has a solar roof already? Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: tokugawa on May 10, 2020, 10:45:58 PM Living out in the sticks, I hope I get a free whole house gen with the deal. The reason I have a propane oven and range and boiler and water heater is because they work when the electrical power is out and it’s -15 degrees with 3’ snow drifts in the road. This. I have cooked a lot of food with no electrical power. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Mike Irwin on May 11, 2020, 03:16:01 AM I imagine he wants my pellet stove, too.
I actually had to burn my pellet stove yesterday. It was damned cold in the house. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2020, 04:54:06 AM This. I have cooked a lot of food with no electrical power. That. Though the last time it was relevant was Ike several years ago. Power was out and I still had hot water and could fire up the burners on the stove. This with natural gas though. Using electricity for that would be more expensive. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 11, 2020, 05:23:38 AM I imagine he wants my pellet stove, too. I actually had to burn my pellet stove yesterday. It was damned cold in the house. I wonder what he would think about my wood stove? Speaking of which I may build a fire here today. *expletive deleted*ing global warming! Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 05:56:48 AM I imagine he wants my pellet stove, too. I actually had to burn my pellet stove yesterday. It was damned cold in the house. Tire pellets I can already hear "How Dare You!" just thinking about it. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Pb on May 11, 2020, 07:15:01 AM Gas appliances are already banned in some places in the USA. ;/
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RocketMan on May 11, 2020, 08:38:13 AM I will not turn in my gas stove. My wife would kill me if I did.
I will certainly turn on my gas stove to cook all kinds of tasty animals. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Mike Irwin on May 11, 2020, 10:45:37 AM And I've had to fire up my pellet stove again...
Suck it, Bruenig. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 11, 2020, 11:59:29 AM Yeah, 11th of May in Oklahoma and I had to fire up the woodstove.
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Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Mike Irwin on May 12, 2020, 03:29:12 AM And guess that's burning in my living room right now?
If you said the TV, no, but good guess. Hopefully this is the last I have to burn the stove until late this year. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: MillCreek on May 12, 2020, 06:32:21 AM This article popped up in my news feed this morning, and it is relevant to the discussion. It makes me think about having the vent fan run every single time we are using the stove.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Kingcreek on May 12, 2020, 09:02:05 AM This article popped up in my news feed this morning, and it is relevant to the discussion. It makes me think about having the vent fan run every single time we are using the stove. Thanks for that motivation.https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks We replaced our 23 year old Jenn Aire with downdraft vent last fall with a new propane Samsung and lost the downdraft in the process. I plan to vent up using the also new Samsung microwave over range unit but didn’t want to open up the wall and vent out in the cold weather. It is on an outside wall but will vent up high onto our covered porch. I think living on Covid time and better weather I could fold that into the covid project list since illanoy will be one of the last states to reopen. Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RocketMan on May 12, 2020, 12:11:04 PM And guess that's burning in my living room right now? Floppies? Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Jim147 on May 12, 2020, 01:01:47 PM 😳
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Mike Irwin on May 12, 2020, 07:04:42 PM If I could have justified the money when I had to replace my stove back in 2016 I would have gone with an induction cooktop model. But, the cheapest induction range I could find was over $3,000.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: Jim147 on May 12, 2020, 07:19:55 PM Gas is still better. I have gas at the house and induction in the cabin.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 12, 2020, 07:36:11 PM The oven I could care less as long as it will maintain a consistent temperature.
98% of my stove top cooking is with cast iron. I will not use a cast iron skillet on electric or induction. That's my line in the sand, that's my hill. [ar15] =D Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: sumpnz on May 12, 2020, 08:10:32 PM They can have my Bluestar 48" Platinum range when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Spent as much on it as the (used) minivan.
Title: Re: Turn in your gas stoves Post by: charby on May 14, 2020, 04:17:01 PM The oven I could care less as long as it will maintain a consistent temperature. 98% of my stove top cooking is with cast iron. I will not use a cast iron skillet on electric or induction. That's my line in the sand, that's my hill. [ar15] =D I prefer gas, but an electric range came with the house, I have no problems using cast iron and an electric range. When it poops the bed, I will replace it with a gas range and oven. Also need to pipe gas to the kitchen too. Easily done, have a 1" gas line into the house that runs the length of the basement since I have a gas clothes dryer on the far side of the basement from the meter. |