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Title: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on May 22, 2020, 12:25:29 PM
https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-leader-judge-of-elections-domenick-demuro-guilty-plea-20200521.html

How do we deal with this crap? We can't legally do what I think needs to be done.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 22, 2020, 01:04:53 PM
Your silly anecdotes don't mean "real" fraud is happening.  [/libtard]


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 22, 2020, 04:18:30 PM
https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-leader-judge-of-elections-domenick-demuro-guilty-plea-20200521.html

How do we deal with this crap? We can't legally do what I think needs to be done.

Lynchings.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Andiron on May 22, 2020, 07:06:57 PM
Lynchings.

It's only lynching if we lose.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: 230RN on May 23, 2020, 01:58:59 AM
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“DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear. This is utterly reprehensible conduct. The charges announced today do not erase what he did, but they do ensure that he is held to account for those actions,” McSwain added.

I don't know what the fuss is all about.  After all, the end justifies the means, doesn't it?

"Democratic mendacity is bottomless."

Terry, 230RN



Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Pb on May 23, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
This is in error.

I have been informed by the media many, many times that voter fraud is a myth.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: fistful on May 23, 2020, 03:41:00 PM
This is in error.

I have been informed by the media many, many times that voter fraud is a myth.

Unless it's done by Russians and/or Republicans.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Andiron on May 23, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
It's a study of the two sides.  One is willing to blatantly cheat to win,  and the other side is happy to figure out how to tie a noose (after rolling over for the cheaters for several generations)

Unfortunately, being reactive probably won't matter for us in the end.  In the present,  we can't even object to *expletive deleted*ing NON- CITIZENS voting lest we get labeled all kinds of horrible "ists"

Get a rope.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on May 28, 2020, 11:56:40 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/22/new-jersey-city-council-elections-allegations-voter-fraud/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/nj-naacp-leader-calls-for-paterson-mail-in-vote-to-be-canceled-amid-fraud-claims/2435162/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on May 28, 2020, 01:23:14 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevadas-vote-by-mail-primary-fraud-concerns


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on May 28, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
Don't mind me, I'll just put this here:

https://www.wdtv.com/content/news/West-Virginia-mail-carrier-charged-in-voter-fraud-cases-570777241.html


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: cordex on May 29, 2020, 05:17:06 AM
Don't mind me, I'll just put this here:

https://www.wdtv.com/content/news/West-Virginia-mail-carrier-charged-in-voter-fraud-cases-570777241.html
(https://i.giphy.com/media/4Oseisdqpyg5a/200_s.gif)


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 06:32:40 AM
(https://i.giphy.com/media/4Oseisdqpyg5a/200_s.gif)

 :rofl:

Our voting machines must be made in Britain.  :laugh:


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on June 28, 2020, 12:19:45 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/06/26/widespread_fraud_in_new_jersey_mail-in_election_515452.html


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on July 10, 2020, 12:36:17 PM
Not sure if this qualifies as fraud or incompetence:

https://1010wcsi.com/fox-news/cat-gets-voter-registration-application-in-the-mail-after-dying-12-years-ago/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 10, 2020, 04:23:51 PM
Not sure if this qualifies as fraud or incompetence:

https://1010wcsi.com/fox-news/cat-gets-voter-registration-application-in-the-mail-after-dying-12-years-ago/


Any sufficiently advanced fraud is indistinguishable from incompetence.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on July 10, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
What did they do use vet records for a mailing list?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: fifth_column on July 11, 2020, 07:01:34 AM
What did they do use vet records for a mailing list?

Maybe.  I wonder what branch the cat was in.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 11, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
Maybe.  I wonder what branch the cat was in.

The Felix Legion.  =D


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: JN01 on July 11, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
Garfield artillery unit.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on July 11, 2020, 03:27:02 PM
Snoopy's tail gunner.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2020, 04:55:31 AM
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An investigation by the secretary of state’s office found five of the ballot requests were changed from Democrat to Republican with a black ink pen, the affidavit said.

I seriously doubt AP would have even posted this story if it was the other way around

West Virginia mail carrier admits attempted election fraud
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/09/west-virginia-mail-carrier-admits-attempted-election-fraud/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on July 13, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/absentee-ballots-didnt-get-counted-because-of-late-delivery-misdelivery-and-bad-postmarks-post-office-says/ar-BB16AMAa

Tell me again why we should rely on mail in voting?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 14, 2020, 03:35:46 AM
Remember, it's only fraud when conservatives do it.

When liberals do it, it's ensuring that everyone who has the right to vote gets to vote.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on July 23, 2020, 01:11:18 PM
https://6abc.com/ballot-stuffing-philadelphia-elections-crime-federal/6330871/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 23, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME)


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on July 24, 2020, 02:33:23 PM
Vote by mail they said ... There won't be any problems they said ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Andiron on July 24, 2020, 04:16:48 PM
Vote by mail they said ... There won't be any problems they said ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/

No it's convenient and there's no way it could ever be abused.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: DittoHead on July 30, 2020, 05:18:50 AM
Quote from: Donald J. Trump on Twitter
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

For all the conspiracies that Obama would delay/cancel elections, I don't recall him ever just throwing the idea out there like this.  :facepalm:


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 30, 2020, 05:58:20 AM
For all the conspiracies that Obama would delay/cancel elections, I don't recall him ever just throwing the idea out there like this.  :facepalm:

On the flip side, he put them in a position where they must be against election delays.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 07:17:01 AM
On the flip side, he put them in a position where they must be against election delays.

They play checkers.  Trump plays 3-D chess.   


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on July 30, 2020, 07:45:52 AM
On the flip side, he put them in a position where they must be against election delays.

They play checkers.  Trump plays 3-D chess.

Trump must be back to playing checkers.  He suggested just today via his Twitter feed the possibility of delaying the election.  Dumb mistake.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Kingcreek on July 30, 2020, 08:02:04 AM
Trump must be back to playing checkers.  He suggested just today via his Twitter feed the possibility of delaying the election.  Dumb mistake.
That was dumb. and the market reacted. again.
Why does anybody pay attention to his tweets?
or better yet, why doesn't he compose his tweets and then hand his phone to a designated twitter aid before hitting send or save or whatever? an adult with a brain should review and edit as needed.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 08:11:10 AM
They play checkers.  Trump plays 3-D chess.   
I don't think he does any 3-D chess.  I think the left can't even play checkers well so he only needs to play chess or advanced checkers and he looks like a genius by comparison. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 08:15:29 AM
That was dumb. and the market reacted. again.
Why does anybody pay attention to his tweets?
or better yet, why doesn't he compose his tweets and then hand his phone to a designated twitter aid before hitting send or save or whatever? an adult with a brain should review and edit as needed.
I think he does stuff like that deliberately to stir up the media/left. 

It makes sense.  If going to the polls is so dangerous that we all have to mail in ballots, then why don't we delay the election 6 months?  By that logic, it is also too dangerous to go to the grocery store, or restaurants, or anywhere else.  It is also too dangerous to get packages shipped in by UPS or Fedex or the Post Office from random stores and locations around the US or world. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on July 30, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
Trump opened his mouth and inserted his phone with the tweet about the Section 8 housing changes the other day.  The guy, and by extension his reelection team, seems to pay zero attention to the optics of what he tweets.  At this rate he is tanking his chances for reelection.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
Trump opened his mouth and inserted his phone with the tweet about the Section 8 housing changes the other day.  The guy, and by extension his reelection team, seems to pay zero attention to the optics of what he tweets.  At this rate he is tanking his chances for reelection.

I think the election tweet was dumb, but not so much the "affordable housing" tweet. Sure, it will set off the MSM and all the other usual suspects, but I think it will appeal to the "voted for Trump but won't admit it" voters.

This whole business of, "You can only build a subdivision if 20% of the houses are for the disadvantaged (i.e.,multi-generational welfare families)" appeals to all the woke people optics-wise, but none of them actually want that housing anywhere near them. Neither do most non-woke people, but nobody wants to come out and say it.

It's kinda like busing. People don't scrimp and save to move to good neighborhoods just to then have their kids bussed to the worst schools in the region, often back to where they escaped from.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2020, 10:03:08 AM
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    In a case announced by @LADAOffice & investigated by @FBILosAngeles @LAPDHQ, 4 men have admitted to their role in a scheme where money & cigarettes were offered to the homeless in exchange for false/forged signatures on ballot petitions & voter reg forms.https://t.co/juSwWyUuin

    — FBI Los Angeles (@FBILosAngeles) July 30, 2020
‘WHAT vote fraud?’ LAPD, FBI say men have admitted to giving money and cigarettes to homeless ‘in exchange for false/forged signatures on ballot petitions & voter reg form’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/30/what-vote-fraud-lapd-fbi-say-men-have-admitted-to-giving-money-and-cigarettes-to-homeless-in-exchange-for-false-forged-signatures-on-ballot-petitions-voter-reg-form/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
‘WHAT vote fraud?’ LAPD, FBI say men have admitted to giving money and cigarettes to homeless ‘in exchange for false/forged signatures on ballot petitions & voter reg form’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/30/what-vote-fraud-lapd-fbi-say-men-have-admitted-to-giving-money-and-cigarettes-to-homeless-in-exchange-for-false-forged-signatures-on-ballot-petitions-voter-reg-form/
Anyone remember the map from the 2016 election showing millions of votes in LA county and New York City? 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 04:12:39 PM
Trump must be back to playing checkers.  He suggested just today via his Twitter feed the possibility of delaying the election.  Dumb mistake.

I wouldn't have done it,  and it's not going to happen,  but I think he's trolling the demorats.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2020, 04:22:04 PM
I wouldn't have done it,  and it's not going to happen,  but I think he's trolling the demorats.

And the media


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 06:56:58 PM
And the media

Oh yea,  them too ---  especially them!!!!!


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 30, 2020, 07:47:34 PM
And the media

Where's the difference?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
We'll know the morning of Nov 4th if there's election fraud in country
If Trump wins by one vote the dems and the media will be screaming election fraud and Russia, Russia, Russia.
If Biden wins by 500 million votes. Election fraud? There is no election fraud in this country.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2020, 07:57:56 PM
Where's the difference?

One distracts you while the other picks your wallet


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: DittoHead on July 31, 2020, 06:56:03 AM
We'll know the morning of Nov 4th if there's election fraud in country
If Trump wins by one vote the dems and the media will be screaming election fraud and Russia, Russia, Russia.
If Biden wins by 500 million votes. Election fraud? There is no election fraud in this country.

I highly doubt the results will be in on Nov 4th. That's one of the issues with voting by mail - people expect instant results and they're going to freak out when they don't get them.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on July 31, 2020, 07:38:12 AM
There will be vote-by-mail in a number of states.  Get used to the notion.  And the final results will not be tallied by Nov. 4th.  Hell, we'll be lucky of the results are finally in by Feb. 4th.
And the Democrats will claim that the delay just means Joe Biden's VP pick won the Presidency.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: dogmush on July 31, 2020, 07:45:14 AM
I admit I haven't really been following it, since this election is so *expletive deleted*ed and keeping up with it all is exhausting, but vote by mail isn't exactly new.  Are states planning on just not having in person polls at all?  Which ones?  I know that several states have had voluntary early and mail voting for at least a decade.

Shouldn't this be up to the individual states to run their elections anyway? 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 07:53:40 AM
Granny nan is demanding national mail in voting with ballots mailed to every registered voter.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: dogmush on July 31, 2020, 08:30:55 AM
I reiterate:

Isn't how states run their elections up to the states?  I feel we already did this rodeo during the "Electoral votes of state X must go to popular vote winner" kerfuffle.

I'm sure legislators are talking and executives are tweeting, because that's what gets them through the day, but they don't currently have the power to do that at a federal level, and there is zero chance they could manage to pass legislation giving them that power in two months.

At the state level?  Yeah, I would probably want to watch that, but are there actual proposals from people with the power to do it?

Much like POTUS tweeting that we should delay the election, it's cute when they talk, but that's not a power the president has.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2020, 09:31:19 AM
I posted this in another thread a couple of days ago:

Washington state first began voting by mail in special elections in 1983, began permanent absentee voting by mail in 1991, and virtually all counties switched to all mail ballots in 2005.  Other than some races not being decided until two weeks after election day after all the ballots trickle in and are counted, it has been a pretty trouble-free process. I have voted only by mail since 1991.  Starting two years ago, you don't even have to put a stamp on the ballot.  You can mail the ballots or drop them into a collection box. We usually drop them in the box since collection boxes are outside libraries, amongst other places, and I go to the library often.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 10:52:50 AM
Do they just mail to all registered voter? And do they have good checks on the voter roles?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on July 31, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
I posted this in another thread a couple of days ago:

Washington state first began voting by mail in special elections in 1983, began permanent absentee voting by mail in 1991, and virtually all counties switched to all mail ballots in 2005.  Other than some races not being decided until two weeks after election day after all the ballots trickle in and are counted, it has been a pretty trouble-free process. I have voted only by mail since 1991.  Starting two years ago, you don't even have to put a stamp on the ballot.  You can mail the ballots or drop them into a collection box. We usually drop them in the box since collection boxes are outside libraries, amongst other places, and I go to the library often.

Pretty similar to what I was doing in CA before I left. You just get your ballots without asking.

I'm still not totally familiar with Idaho methodology, and we're apparently changing right now due to COVID. However up until now, I have voted absentee. To do so, I have to go to my county website and download a form that I then mail or email to them. I have to specify that I want absenteee and also which elections I want to have absentee ballots for, sign the form and send it in. IIRC, I didn't have a choice of more than three upcoming elections. After that, you have to download an updated form and start all over again. Again, they are apparently changing things now, and it sounds like they are moving closer to the CA/WA method.

As far as mail-ins having an effect on an election, I wonder if WA/CA type mail-in is relatively trouble free because of the makeup of those states? I can't see the mail-in ballots not counted till two weeks later having much of an impact in any presidential election. They will likely follow the very liberal demographics of those states. I would expect the same of any predominately conservative states that have a mail-in system.

Where I think it will get tricky is in those swing states where the counts can be close. Mail-ins not fully counted till 2-4 weeks after the election could definitely impact the electoral college, given the electors of the state give their votes based on the popular vote within that state. If it's a close election, and a swing state has enough electoral votes to impact the final count on election night, things could get ugly.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 31, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
I reiterate:

Isn't how states run their elections up to the states?  I feel we already did this rodeo during the "Electoral votes of state X must go to popular vote winner" kerfuffle.

I'm sure legislators are talking and executives are tweeting, because that's what gets them through the day, but they don't currently have the power to do that at a federal level, and there is zero chance they could manage to pass legislation giving them that power in two months.

At the state level?  Yeah, I would probably want to watch that, but are there actual proposals from people with the power to do it?

Much like POTUS tweeting that we should delay the election, it's cute when they talk, but that's not a power the president has.

I covered this seven years ago.  Here's everything our constitution has to say on the matter.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=39960.msg810959#msg810959 (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=39960.msg810959#msg810959)


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: DittoHead on July 31, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
Where I think it will get tricky is in those swing states where the counts can be close. Mail-ins not fully counted till 2-4 weeks after the election could definitely impact the electoral college, given the electors of the state give their votes based on the popular vote within that state. If it's a close election, and a swing state has enough electoral votes to impact the final count on election night, things could get ugly.

That is a relatively easy fix though.  There is plenty of time to count if we're smart about it.

Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-real-challenge-of-voting-by-mail/
rather than changing the election date, Congress should act to push back—just for this year—the date by which states have to finalize results and the date on which the electors meet. Pushing those back by two or three weeks could give contested states a lot more breathing room to deal with the actual challenges involved in mail-in voting while the election, certification, and inauguration would all go on as scheduled.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: JN01 on July 31, 2020, 01:54:25 PM
I posted this in another thread a couple of days ago:

Washington state first began voting by mail in special elections in 1983, began permanent absentee voting by mail in 1991, and virtually all counties switched to all mail ballots in 2005.  Other than some races not being decided until two weeks after election day after all the ballots trickle in and are counted, it has been a pretty trouble-free process. I have voted only by mail since 1991.  Starting two years ago, you don't even have to put a stamp on the ballot.  You can mail the ballots or drop them into a collection box. We usually drop them in the box since collection boxes are outside libraries, amongst other places, and I go to the library often.

If the ballots trickle in for two weeks, why aren’t ALL the results held up until ALL the votes are counted? How do they determine when all the ballots that are going to be cast have been received? What do they do to insure the integrity of ballots in collection boxes?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 31, 2020, 02:37:43 PM
Quote
What do they do to insure the integrity of ballots in collection boxes?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2020, 05:14:56 PM
If the ballots trickle in for two weeks, why aren’t ALL the results held up until ALL the votes are counted? How do they determine when all the ballots that are going to be cast have been received? What do they do to insure the integrity of ballots in collection boxes?

For a primary election, the results are certified 17 days after election day, and in a general election, certified 30 days after election day.  Ballots received after those dates are not counted.  Of course, the majority of races are not close and the winner is obvious on or shortly thereafter election day.  Many people in the state, me for one, mail in the ballot early, so those are already in hand and ready to be counted on election day.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: fistful on July 31, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
After the measured, thoughtful and mostly peaceful debate we've been having about Covid numbers (and everything else the past 20 years), I can't wait for the aftermath of a mail-in election.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
Do they just mail to all registered voter? And do they have good checks on the voter roles?

You have to be a registered voter to receive a ballot. In order to register to vote in Washington, you have to show or provide your driver's license number or the last four digits of your SSN, which are electronically checked against your name and date of birth.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
So they don't have any 205 year old woman or over 100% registered voters in any district?

That is the problem I have with mailing them to everyone not just people that request them.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on August 01, 2020, 04:44:24 AM
Many people in the state, me for one, mail in the ballot early, so those are already in hand and ready to be counted on election day.

I also send mine in early - usually several weeks before the election. That is certainly one way to handle things as well - have a separate, early voting deadline for mail-in ballots that's at least a week prior to the in-person day.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: JN01 on August 01, 2020, 07:38:24 AM
You have to be a registered voter to receive a ballot. In order to register to vote in Washington, you have to show or provide your driver's license number or the last four digits of your SSN, which are electronically checked against your name and date of birth.

Which means an illegal immigrant with a drivers license can register to vote.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MillCreek on August 02, 2020, 03:44:35 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/01/898184573/how-washington-state-s-mail-in-elections-play-out


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on August 05, 2020, 05:33:03 AM
https://twitter.com/mahoneyw/status/1290444593595592705
Quote
A judge orders New York’s boards of elections to immediately begin counting many ballots that came in without postmarks
The tweet includes an image of part of the order.  It doesn't say that verbatim.  All I can say is cheating is easy if you don't have to follow even simple rules. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Jim147 on August 05, 2020, 06:54:34 AM
I read a story on that. How do ballots come in three days late with no postmark?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2020, 06:59:45 AM
I read a story on that. How do ballots come in three days late with no postmark?

Was wondering the same thing


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: dogmush on August 05, 2020, 07:24:25 AM
Apparently the USPS was being lazy:

Quote from: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-absentee-ballots-ruling-20200804-33s3qhiyjberdc6riebuiuv74i-story.html
Much of the blame fell on the Postal Service, which failed to postmark thousands of ballots despite a policy that it do so.

“Despite the postal service’s best efforts, there is uncontroverted evidence that thousands of absentee ballots for the June 23 Primary were not postmarked,” Torres wrote. “This could be due to a number of human or mechanical errors.”


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2020, 07:37:24 AM
Lazy and or human errors at the USPS. Who would have thunk


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on August 05, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
I read a story on that. How do ballots come in three days late with no postmark?

It takes at least that long to get them printed, filled in properly and sent to the post office.  Duh!


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on August 05, 2020, 10:24:43 AM
It takes at least that long to get them printed, filled in properly and sent to the post office.  Duh!
Or they were just added into the mail pile at the vote counting location by someone else.  How would anyone know? 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MillCreek on August 05, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
So in the big scheme of things, I wonder which is the most inherently secure means of voting: paper ballots or electronic voting machines? I think we discussed this previously, and the consensus of the IT people here was that electronic means could be hacked six ways from Sunday.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: cordex on August 05, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
So in the big scheme of things, I wonder which is the most inherently secure means of voting: paper ballots or electronic voting machines? I think we discussed this previously, and the consensus of the IT people here was that electronic means could be hacked six ways from Sunday.
In my opinion I'd order them as follows:

Paper ballots collected at voting locations monitored by bipartisan election judges
Electronic ballots collected at voting locations monitored by bipartisan election judges
Mail-in paper ballots
...
...
...
Internet-delivered electronic voting.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on August 16, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/15/michigan-rejects-846-mailed-ballots-voter-dead/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on August 23, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
Update on New Jersey

Judge orders new election

https://www.heraldstandard.com/news/national/new-election-ordered-in-race-marred-by-voter-fraud-charges/article_8b85c2b5-e4ea-5f2a-9764-45b686e6e563.html


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: grampster on August 23, 2020, 01:34:56 PM
I saw a video on the 'net by a woman who lives with her brother.  She is an R and her brother is a D.  They were sent mail in ballots and she showed the envelopes and and the ballots.  The return envelope for the ballot had a bar code on it.  Her envelope had a capital R in the bar code and her brother's had a capital D on his return envelope.  Since it was on the 'net who knows if it was true or not, but sure is food for thought.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on August 23, 2020, 01:35:48 PM
I saw a video on the 'net by a woman who lives with her brother.  She is an R and her brother is a D.  They were sent mail in ballots and she showed the envelopes and and the ballots.  The return envelope for the ballot had a bar code on it.  Her envelope had a capital R in the bar code and her brother's had a capital D on his return envelope.  Since it was on the 'net who knows if it was true or not, but sure is food for thought.

This says it was a primary ballot?

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/verify/verify-are-presidential-ballot-envelopes-marked-with-your-political-affiliation-san-diego/509-deccd089-ab5e-4035-89f1-d903bb45e72d


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: grampster on August 23, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/19/palm.

Women’s video claiming ballot envelopes disclose party ...
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/20/womens..

It is claimed by Snopes that this was accurate, but for the primary.  Snopes claims that the national election this wouldn't occur...snicker.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: grampster on August 23, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
To me, voting is THE most important occurrence in our Republic.  It should be guarded like nothing else.  It is also voluntary.  If you can't get off your dead, lazy ass to vote in such a manner that shows you are actually eligible to vote, and then do so, then I don't give a rat's ass about you or what you think about the process.

The cavalier way the Democrat Party treats this national honor, disqualifies them from my consideration of anything they propose and further makes that political party a danger to our Republic.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on August 23, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
In my election district in NC, we personally hand our filled out ballot to one of the election workers.  That worker then runs the ballot through the electronic counting machine while the voter is standing next to them.  That leaves little doubt for the voter that their ballot was properly tallied.
Contrast that to vote by mail systems like Oregon has used for many years.  A voter has no idea whether their ballot was properly tallied.  Voters have to trust that their ballot is not going to be cherry picked from the system by an unscrupulous government worker that does not approve of how they voted.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 23, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
In my election district in NC, we personally hand our filled out ballot to one of the election workers.  That worker then runs the ballot through the electronic counting machine while the voter is standing next to them.  That leaves little doubt for the voter that their ballot was properly tallied.


Unless the software running the machine has been "optimized."

Cue Jim March and his battles against Diebold several years ago.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RocketMan on August 23, 2020, 04:03:04 PM
Unless the software running the machine has been "optimized."

Cue Jim March and his battles against Diebold several years ago.

Those were electronic touchscreen voting machines, not paper ballot tally machines.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: grampster on August 23, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Unless the software running the machine has been "optimized."

Cue Jim March and his battles against Diebold several years ago.

I've often wondered what happened to Jim March.  The last I knew he bought a motor home and was traveling around.  I wonder if he is still upright and breathing air.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 23, 2020, 05:36:13 PM
As far as I am concerned absentee ballots and early voting cures any question about the “COVID Risk”.

Mass mail in ballots are plainly an attempt at mass fraud, and I don’t mean fraud by the Republicans but by the party that is famous for delaying military ballots and finding “crates of absentee ballots in the trunks of cars”


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: lee n. field on August 23, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
I've often wondered what happened to Jim March.  The last I knew he bought a motor home and was traveling around.  I wonder if he is still upright and breathing air.

Hopefully.  He hasn't posted on TFL in 3 years.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on August 23, 2020, 08:19:58 PM
To me, voting is THE most important occurrence in our Republic.  It should be guarded like nothing else.  It is also voluntary.  If you can't get off your dead, lazy ass to vote in such a manner that shows you are actually eligible to vote, and then do so, then I don't give a rat's ass about you or what you think about the process.

The cavalier way the Democrat Party treats this national honor, disqualifies them from my consideration of anything they propose and further makes that political party a danger to our Republic.

That is why I also think you should have to re-register every few years at a govt office with valid ID.  I can't think of an honest reason why we wouldn't want to purge the voters rolls periodically. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on August 24, 2020, 01:29:59 AM
This one is kind of old

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Mail-in-ballots-were-part-of-a-plot-to-deny-15507606.php


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 24, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
That is why I also think you should have to re-register every few years at a govt office with valid ID.  I can't think of an honest reason why we wouldn't want to purge the voters rolls periodically. 

Every census at least.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on August 30, 2020, 01:43:30 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 01, 2020, 03:17:00 PM
From Axios: Trump will "appear" to win big on election night, but will lose weeks later after all the mail in ballots are counted. Hmm.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/heres-the-pre-warning-democratic-data-firm-says-it-might-appear-as-though-president-trump-is-winning-big-on-election-night/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: TommyGunn on September 01, 2020, 06:54:23 PM
From Axios: Trump will "appear" to win big on election night, but will lose weeks later after all the mail in ballots are counted. Hmm.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/heres-the-pre-warning-democratic-data-firm-says-it-might-appear-as-though-president-trump-is-winning-big-on-election-night/

 [tinfoil]  Yea .... Axios must be the master of wishful thinking.   ;/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 01, 2020, 08:03:48 PM
So how do they do the fraud in states that don't do mail in voting?  Might be more difficult to do that with absentee ballots.

Also, why is this coming out now if it was going to happen? 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: makattak on September 01, 2020, 08:10:39 PM
So how do they do the fraud in states that don't do mail in voting?  Might be more difficult to do that with absentee ballots.

Also, why is this coming out now if it was going to happen? 

1) Lack of mail in ballots hasn't stopped massive fraud before (see, 1960 presidential election and Chicago/Texas)

2) Battlespace preparation.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2020, 05:48:58 AM
From Axios: Trump will "appear" to win big on election night, but will lose weeks later after all the mail in ballots are counted. Hmm.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/heres-the-pre-warning-democratic-data-firm-says-it-might-appear-as-though-president-trump-is-winning-big-on-election-night/

Cue the Magic Station Wagon of Ballots


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2020, 06:03:42 AM
Personally, I think the only thing they might get out of the Axios reported thing is two months later, something like 51% of the popular vote (mostly from California again), then once again, cue the attack on the Electoral College.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 02, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
It might be interesting.  If it ends up in the federal courts, the 9th circuit isn't what it was 4 years ago, or even 2 years ago. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: DittoHead on September 03, 2020, 04:33:53 AM
I think Trump truly believes there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Quote from: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514901-trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-to-test-system-by-voting-twice
President Trump on Wednesday suggested supporters in North Carolina should illegally attempt to vote both by mail and in person, saying doing so would test the integrity of the system.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: makattak on September 03, 2020, 05:16:45 AM
I think Trump truly believes there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Trump knows the ONLY way the press will talk about that very danger of mail-in voting is if he brings it up.

That so many people don't understand how Trump works after 4 years of observing him is mind-boggling to me.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Pb on September 03, 2020, 05:44:49 AM
Trump knows the ONLY way the press will talk about that very danger of mail-in voting is if he brings it up.

That so many people don't understand how Trump works after 4 years of observing him is mind-boggling to me.

I don't watch the news or really listen to Trump- can you please explain?


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: cordex on September 03, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
I don't watch the news or really listen to Trump- can you please explain?
I think he's saying that the media has been pushing the value of universal mail in voting as a way to improve Democrat turnout, but if he says something positive about it or implies that it might be used fraudulently to improve Republican turnout they will have to reflexively reject it.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2020, 09:29:46 AM
The Washington Post's take:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/03/theyre-flat-out-threatening-you-now-wapos-election-simulation-predicts-catastrophe-and-violence-in-any-outcome-other-than-a-biden-landslide-win/

If Biden doesn't win by a landslide, the country will burn.

Glad  I ordered hard armor last week I guess. I might need to get with a few neighbors to dig a big dumpin' hole we can share for when the rioters make it out this way. Maybe buy some lime before there's a run on it.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 12:20:31 PM
If they thought Biden was going to win, they wouldn't publish that. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 12:26:16 PM
The Washington Post's take:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/03/theyre-flat-out-threatening-you-now-wapos-election-simulation-predicts-catastrophe-and-violence-in-any-outcome-other-than-a-biden-landslide-win/

If Biden doesn't win by a landslide, the country will burn.

Glad  I ordered hard armor last week I guess. I might need to get with a few neighbors to dig a big dumpin' hole we can share for when the rioters make it out this way. Maybe buy some lime before there's a run on it.
I really doubt it myself.  Oh, I am sure there will be demonstrations and protests and some violence in the usual places, but not all over.  Certainly not in Idaho.  I doubt there will be a whole lot anywhere law enforcement isn't purposefully held back by the local leadership.    

It is not near as bad as it looks right now, IMO.  Outside the handful of areas that are having issues, Americans are going about their lives.  Will there be some crazy people trying to start crap?  Yes.  Will that create chaos all over?  I don't think so.



Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
I really doubt it myself.  Oh, I am sure there will be demonstrations and protests and some violence in the usual places, but not all over.  Certainly not in Idaho.  I doubt there will be a whole lot anywhere law enforcement isn't purposefully held back by the local leadership.    

It is not near as bad as it looks right now, IMO.  Outside the handful of areas that are having issues, Americans are going about their lives.  Will there be some crazy people trying to start crap?  Yes.  Will that create chaos all over?  I don't think so.

Well, yeah, I was being somewhat facetious for where I live, but I can certainly see it happening in a good many larger cities in the usual suspect states. At least as much as is going on now. My, "country will burn" statement was just repeating what the WP said, not what I believe. I was not clear.

Which, while I hate to see the destruction, I certainly think it will cause that many more regular people to say, "enough".


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
It isn't a time for over the top language when reality is over the top already.  It's like....my opinion man. 

That said some specific areas are likely screwed for a while.  New York City is one of them I think.  They shut down all the restaurants and clubs then they allowed looters to loot a bunch of the nice stores.  On top of that, the "bail reform" has criminals going through revolving door jails making crime look almost consequence free.  From what I have heard, people are moving out.  As long as the current mayor and Gov are in charge, I really doubt anything will change for the better. 

Other cities have similar crime issues and bail reform has happened in at least a few states.  I am concerned crime will get worse going forward at least in certain areas. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 03, 2020, 01:57:02 PM
I think any larger metro area is seeing and will continue to see increasing crime and violence.
A Trump win in November will bring out the crazies and make tings worse.
even Tulsa has seen a significant increase in crime.

https://www.newson6.com/story/5f4e9782efc78f0c12d39d18/tpd-reports-increase-in-violent-crime-40-increase-in-assaults-on-officers- (https://www.newson6.com/story/5f4e9782efc78f0c12d39d18/tpd-reports-increase-in-violent-crime-40-increase-in-assaults-on-officers-)


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/03/cnns-breakfast-burrito-journo-discovers-life-not-so-perfect-everywhere/
But New York is fine.  This guy ate his breakfast burrito outside and everything near him was just fine.  


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 02:06:42 PM
I think any larger metro area is seeing and will continue to see increasing crime and violence.
A Trump win in November will bring out the crazies and make tings worse.
even Tulsa has seen a significant increase in crime.

https://www.newson6.com/story/5f4e9782efc78f0c12d39d18/tpd-reports-increase-in-violent-crime-40-increase-in-assaults-on-officers- (https://www.newson6.com/story/5f4e9782efc78f0c12d39d18/tpd-reports-increase-in-violent-crime-40-increase-in-assaults-on-officers-)
IMO, that has little to do with Trump and more to do with State level laws on crime and punishment getting softer with lesser penalties for lower level felonies and repeat offenses. 

Also, cops being on camera 24/7 are reluctant to lay hands on suspects even when they are combative and earn what they get.  I am surprised just how aggressive and combative some of these people are.  It appears to be just an extreme disrespect for police and the assumption that the police won't hurt them even if they fight.  I realize that is just a few people, but it is a bit shocking.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
IMO, that has little to do with Trump and more to do with State level laws on crime and punishment getting softer with lesser penalties for lower level felonies and repeat offenses. 

Also, cops being on camera 24/7 are reluctant to lay hands on suspects even when they are combative and earn what they get.  I am surprised just how aggressive and combative some of these people are.  It appears to be just an extreme disrespect for police and the assumption that the police won't hurt them even if they fight.  I realize that is just a few people, but it is a bit shocking.

I think it WILL have something to do with Trump, just for the reasons you laid out above. These rioters are at a point now where there are two possible outcomes in the big cities where they riot. Either nothing happens to them, or the local gov caves and they get what they want. They will apply that to a Trump win, even if he carries 400 electoral votes. Only Trump is not going to cave and say, "Oh, okay, I'll just step down". Which means they will continue to destroy stuff in those big cities, because there will be no repercussions, and they also won't be getting what they want.

That's a given, IMO. What's not a given is if they think they can get away with "taking it to the suburbs" (Narrator: "They can't").


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Pb on September 04, 2020, 09:51:03 AM
I think violent riots in the event of a Trump victory are certain.

If we are lucky, they won't last for four years.   [tinfoil]


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: makattak on September 04, 2020, 07:01:30 PM
It appears to be just an extreme disrespect for police and the assumption that the police won't hurt them even if they fight.  I realize that is just a few people, but it is a bit shocking.

It would be a lot better if people immediately and violently had that assumption challenged.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on September 19, 2020, 06:17:08 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mail-in-ballot-law-in-pennsylvania-has-driven-out-nearly-a-quarter-of-state-s-top-election-officials/ar-BB19cN4E


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on September 24, 2020, 12:27:22 PM
https://newsla.localad.com/2020/09/24/doj-investigating-discarded-mail-in-votes-for-trump-cast-by-military-in-pennsylvania/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on September 24, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-absentee-ballots-found-wisconsin-ditch


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Andiron on September 24, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-absentee-ballots-found-wisconsin-ditch

Enough of your conspiracy mongering!  I'm told by TOP men that it's unpossible that anything untoward would come of mail in voting.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: just Warren on September 24, 2020, 07:10:11 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/texas-gregg-county-commissioner-three-others-arrested-connection-organized-ballot-harvesting-scheme-2018-democrat-primary/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: just Warren on September 24, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/election-fraud-democrat-officials-massachusetts-destroy-1-million-ballots-senate-primary/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2020, 07:13:09 AM
[Ben dons his tinfoil hat]

Something in the below story struck me. It's a local news story, talking about how Canyon County, Idaho doesn't have enough experienced poll workers, so they are limiting physical polling places. As part of the story, they mention that Ada County (next door and home of liberal Boise) has more poll workers applying than they know what to do with.

An aside to that part of the story is that Ada County mentioned they had even been getting calls from out of state (i.e., non-Idaho residents), specifically from Seattle, with people volunteering to come down and be Ada County poll workers. My tinfoil alert automatically went off. Seattle, an SJW mecca, has people who want to volunteer to be out of state poll workers. Not in a county that needs poll workers (and happens to be very conservative), but in the county in Idaho with the highest population, which is also the most liberal county in Idaho.

Seems like if you wanted to help the liberal agenda of "everybody gets to vote (liberal), that might be a way to insert your bias into an election. One wonders who trained these Seattle poll workers, and also how they got the idea to volunteer in Boise, and maybe other cities across the country.

Perhaps this is something that happens every election and it's just interested citizens wanting to do their civic duty with no hidden agenda, but the out of state aspect caused me to raise an eyebrow.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/politics/elections/canyon-county-to-open-five-polling-locations-for-the-november-election/277-5fdf5aca-e737-437c-9d8b-59d6c3c6e864


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 26, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
[Ben dons his tinfoil hat]

Something in the below story struck me. It's a local news story, talking about how Canyon County, Idaho doesn't have enough experienced poll workers, so they are limiting physical polling places. As part of the story, they mention that Ada County (next door and home of liberal Boise) has more poll workers applying than they know what to do with.

An aside to that part of the story is that Ada County mentioned they had even been getting calls from out of state (i.e., non-Idaho residents), specifically from Seattle, with people volunteering to come down and be Ada County poll workers. My tinfoil alert automatically went off. Seattle, an SJW mecca, has people who want to volunteer to be out of state poll workers. Not in a county that needs poll workers (and happens to be very conservative), but in the county in Idaho with the highest population, which is also the most liberal county in Idaho.

Seems like if you wanted to help the liberal agenda of "everybody gets to vote (liberal), that might be a way to insert your bias into an election. One wonders who trained these Seattle poll workers, and also how they got the idea to volunteer in Boise, and maybe other cities across the country.

Perhaps this is something that happens every election and it's just interested citizens wanting to do their civic duty with no hidden agenda, but the out of state aspect caused me to raise an eyebrow.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/politics/elections/canyon-county-to-open-five-polling-locations-for-the-november-election/277-5fdf5aca-e737-437c-9d8b-59d6c3c6e864

That has fraud and abuse written all over it.  Just my opinion but poll workers should be local citizens known to the local voters for integrity and accountability.  If you absolutely need outsiders for man power: national guard. 


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: bedlamite on September 27, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: just Warren on September 27, 2020, 07:30:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-new-project-veritas-video-exposes-rep-ilhan-omar-connected-cash-ballots-scheme/


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: dogmush on September 28, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-new-project-veritas-video-exposes-rep-ilhan-omar-connected-cash-ballots-scheme/

I was just coming here to post that.

Couple of observations:

Men (military age male, in the parlance) going around to the women and elderly and just taking what they need for today's scheme, and the women and elderly just rolling with it?  Definitely fits with my experience of Somali (and Arab actually) culture.  Americans will be like "Why would you just hand over your ballot?" Because that's how their culture does it.  There doesn't even need to be an explicit threat of violence.  These men represent the person who runs the [neighborhood, ward, project] and you do what they say.  Welcome to the third world, or to quote Leonardo DiCaprio "T.I.A".

Second. what is it about folks doing shady *expletive deleted*it videoing themselves doing shady *expletive deleted*it?  I know those guys are untouchable in Ward 5 or whatever, but Billy Jo Crazy might be on snapchat and think you just volunteered for martyr duty.  I guess it's good for us these types never do OPSEC training.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: just Warren on September 28, 2020, 04:02:27 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/joe-bidens-texas-political-director-dallas-jones-accused-illegal-ballot-harvesting/

Not by law enforcement but by two independent investigators.

Don't know how that process works but hopefully it hurts Biden's campaign.


Title: Re: Election fraud again.
Post by: just Warren on September 28, 2020, 09:41:28 PM
Another Project Veritas video: https://youtu.be/MV7oDl8yDZk