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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: bedlamite on July 13, 2020, 10:25:57 AM
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Apparently federal officers protecting a federal courthouse from rioters is a "occupying army" according to a US Senator.
Also, in the not surprising department, the photo WW uses of "peaceful protesters" doesn't look so peaceful.
https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/07/12/oregon-governor-and-senators-condemn-trumps-use-of-occupying-army-on-portland-protesters/
https://reason.com/2020/07/13/homeland-security-acting-like-an-occupying-army-says-sen-wyden-after-federal-agents-shoot-peaceful-portland-protester/
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I think there was video in one the first stories I read showing this peaceful protester winding up to throw something when he was hit in the face.
Call me unsurprised that the story left out that these peaceful protestors have been try to break in and set the place on fire every night.
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Okay, so they are only mostly peaceful.
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The "mostly peaceful" description is pretty misleading. By the same definition, the police response has also been mostly peaceful. Come to think of it, when you consider that a lot of genuine warfare is spent trying to not get shot, you could even say that many actual battles are "mostly peaceful".
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Apparently federal officers protecting a federal courthouse from rioters is a "occupying army" according to a US Senator.
So, like Ft. Sumter.
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They opened the wrong guy's car door. The takedown looks like some skilz from the foot placement. Funny how big bad outlaw antifa turned to wimps in a hurry.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1282752376898834433
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/13/masked-antifa-in-portland-opened-a-black-mans-car-door-and-it-was-a-really-bad-idea-video/
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They opened the wrong guy's car door. The takedown looks like some skilz from the foot placement. Funny how big bad outlaw antifa turned to wimps in a hurry.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1282752376898834433
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/13/masked-antifa-in-portland-opened-a-black-mans-car-door-and-it-was-a-really-bad-idea-video/
The man from the car either used to be a drill sergeant, or he does a VERY good imitation of one.
"Do you understand me? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?"
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Love the freaking out over the arrows. :laugh: It looks like the guy couldn't get a crowd who wanted to take on the scary black man, so he just decided to quiet down and see if he could help someone find their dropped phone.
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That was freaking awesome!
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Portland unveils CHOP 2.0!
Wonder how this one is going to fare...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-autonomous-zone-tents-barricade-seattle-chop-chaz
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Today the Acting Secretary of Homeland Security asked to speak with me about demonstration activity in Portland. He expressed his concern about ongoing violence and asked how his agency can help.
— Mayor Ted Wheeler (@tedwheeler) July 14, 2020
I told the Acting Secretary that my biggest immediate concern is the violence federal officers brought to our streets in recent days, and the life-threatening tactics his agents use. We do not need or want their help.
— Mayor Ted Wheeler (@tedwheeler) July 14, 2020
:facepalm:
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https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948
(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)
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https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948
(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)
Look out folks, we got Trump-emboldened vigilantes on the loose
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Now combine these tactics with cities/regions known for Trump-emboldened vigilantes wearing similar gear and you have a very dangerous and unpredictable cocktail.
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Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U
At least some level of law enforcement is taking this stuff seriously.
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Look out folks, we got Trump-emboldened vigilantes on the loose
They say that like it's a bad thing.
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Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U
At least some level of law enforcement is taking this stuff seriously.
Lots of stuff in that video that put a smile on my face and/or otherwise reinforced my opinion that antifa are jackasses.
The one negative out of the way first: In the first scene (which may need more context), I couldn't help but think, in another kind of adminstration, what if I were just standing there peacefully protesting for the 2nd (or even maybe being a pain in the ass), a couple of guys in what looked like unmarked (other than "police")battle rattle came up to me and wordlessly grabbed me and took me away in an unmarked van? I'd be thinking I might be headed for the gulag.
Otherwise, I don't care about most of downtown Portland burning down. They could stop it, but won't. The Federal building or any other federal property in Portland, however, are paid for with my tax dollars, and I demand that they be taken care of. So the "smile" stuff:
First scene: Assuming the guy was one of the property destroying rioters, it was actually kinda funny watching the two feds march up to him and march him away while the dumb broad was saying, "Use your words!" as if she was talking to a couple of 7 year olds instead of armed men, and somehow thought they gave a *expletive deleted*it about her little psychology ploy.
Asian guy scene: More than most videos I have seen, this shows just how vile and racist the fascist antifa movement is. These are the same people yelling about blaming Asians for the COVID, but here they are playing the "you all look alike to me" game with an innocent guy who, given past incidents, might have ended up beaten near to death because of his race.
The mug shots looked exactly as I expected them to.
The guy trying to hold the door shut to the fed building: Donut said it best: Angry bees. :laugh:
It looks like Hawkmoon was right regarding that video I posted a couple of days ago of antifa opening the black guy's car door ("Don't ever touch a black man's radio!") - the guy was apparently a drill instructor.
Anyway, good video. :)
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https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948
(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)
This could only be legal for those that make the laws . . . .
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This could only be legal for those that make the laws . . . .
I figure the guy knew exactly what he was being arrested for. Also, just because you couldn't hear it on the video doesn't mean they didn't tell him he was under arrest and ID themselves. There is no requirement they do that for the person holding the camera.
That is the other side I guess. I hate to make too many assumptions either way.
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I figure the guy knew exactly what he was being arrested for. Also, just because you couldn't hear it on the video doesn't mean they didn't tell him he was under arrest and ID themselves. There is no requirement they do that for the person holding the camera.
That is the other side I guess. I hate to make too many assumptions either way.
Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented. Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .
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Oh, the other great thing about the videos they take showing what tough and brave freedom fighters they are: The videos become state's evidence at their trials. :rofl:
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Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented. Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .
IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place.
Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms? I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now. Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also.
Maybe that is a good question. Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?
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IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place.
Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms? I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now. Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also.
Maybe that is a good question. Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?
From Angel Eyes link:
Militarized Federal Agents from a patchwork of outside agencies have begun policing Portland (in rented minivans vans) without the explicit approval of the mayor, the state, or local municipalities. This is what that looks like in practice:
They really weren't policing Portland. They were (from the info I have seen) protecting Federal property. I've seen plenty of videos of people hiring security, or just a bunch of armed citizens, guarding private property without "explicit approval".
If the mayor of my town says, "Go ahead and express yourselves by burning down Ben's store - it's only property.", explicit approval can get bent. If possible, I will protect my property whether the mayor approves or not.
Again, I approve of what's happening now given data I have, because it is target defense of Federal (my) property. It would be hypocritical of me though, if I didn't say I would be worried about unmarked uniforms and unmarked vehicles in a different (President Ilhan Omar) administration or government.
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IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place.
Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms? I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now. Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also.
Maybe that is a good question. Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?
IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place.
Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms? I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now. Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also.
Maybe that is a good question. Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?
I'm increasingly not OK with this. I think both the federal and state governments have been overstepping their bounds for a very long time. Protesting and rioting are two different things. But policing and extra-judicial abduction are also two different things.
To answer your second question, in many places the damage is done and it is too late, regardless of who started the cycle of disrespect, to expect friendly relations between the police and the populace. There are too many blatantly obvious differences between what the police can get away with and the behaviors the rest of us are allowed to engage in. There has been too much "us vs. them" for too long.
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Here is a list of what has been done so far to federal property in Portland: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland)
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Here is a list of what has been done so far to federal property in Portland: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland)
Portland Police were forced to deploy crowd control spray to disperse a crowd that was throwing animal seed at officers.
I'm guessing that was actually seed intended for feeding birds, but if not then I'm at least impressed by the love that protesters are willing to show to animals.
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All I have to say is that when the Portland Mayor demands that Trump cough up Federal funds to repair damage to the city, Trump actually sends a tweet that says, "Stick it up your ass, you hippie buffoon!"
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/17/portland-ore-mayor-ted-wheeler-is-aware-undesirable-people-are-in-his-city-and-wishes-theyd-leave-dhs-leadership/
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I'm increasingly not OK with this. I think both the federal and state governments have been overstepping their bounds for a very long time. Protesting and rioting are two different things. But policing and extra-judicial abduction are also two different things.
To answer your second question, in many places the damage is done and it is too late, regardless of who started the cycle of disrespect, to expect friendly relations between the police and the populace. There are too many blatantly obvious differences between what the police can get away with and the behaviors the rest of us are allowed to engage in. There has been too much "us vs. them" for too long.
On the last, the only answer I can come up with is the govt started it and by extension the busy body voters who wanted a law against everything they didn't like. Whether it be using police as petty tax/fee collectors/enforcers or the War on Drugs, police were asked to enforce all sorts of things and allowed to intrude more in people's lives to do it. Then we have/had stupid judges who have turned the Bill of Rights into a giant gray area where nothing is straightforward or simple.
Fixing it would require a significant change in legislative action and judicial oversight. I don't see that happening quickly.
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Apparently, I'm more disturbed by the idea of federal authorities in rental cars making arrests than I originally thought. It occurs to me that if we're to assume the feds were acting lawfully and that the protester was actually a hardened criminal deserving of incarceration, then it's just as easy to assume that since antifa has been declared a terrorist organization, and since membership can be implied by virtue of being in the crowd, it's just as likely the guy in that snippet of a video is being treated as an enemy combatant and has been essentially disappeared. The federal government has done it many times, and it's been documented. It's become nearly impossible for me to give the state the benefit of the doubt anymore.
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With the way the MSM distorts reality it would not surprise me to find out that the animal seed/feed they were throwing at police had already been processed by the animals.
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And now for something completely different: (NSFW)
https://www.rt.com/usa/495163-naked-protester-portland-police/amp/?fbclid=IwAR3zAjugSogCzSlUJ8Mk31sYsc2X8rACfh3MZjahHs49f4A_AwT5s_9FFdo
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Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented. Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .
Representative government, rule of law and inalienable rights were useful fictions to keep a reasonably well educated populace mollified.
Our hidden rulers seem less inclined these days to exert any energy on maintaining that facade. They've imported enough folks from egalitarian tyrannies and converged our educational system enough that the people now demand egalitarian tyranny as their primary right.
We're all fascists and communists now, some nationalist, some globalist.
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(https://media.thedonald.win/post/HIh53VYK.png)
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FYI: The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking. Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.
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FYI: The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking. Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.
Honestly not sure if that's better or worse...
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Honestly not sure if that's better or worse...
It would be nice if they could round up and charge some of the organizers and instigators of the riots and lay some federal charges on them. I doubt it would do much to quiet the rioting, but to hear about some convictions would be highly satisfying.
Portland is my home town, born there many years ago. It saddens me greatly to see it devolve into a left wing-led cesspool when it was such a nice place to grow up and live in years back.
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It looks like the "Silent Majority" are finally making themselves heard in Portland. Unfortunately, they are coming out on the side of the, er... "protesters".
https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland (https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland)
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It looks like the "Silent Majority" are finally making themselves heard in Portland. Unfortunately, they are coming out on the side of the, er... "protestors".
https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland (https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland)
I don't know that they're part of the silent majority. They mostly remind me of the older, wealthy, naive liberals that I used to see in Santa Barbara - saving the world with signs in front of the courthouse, then hitting Starbucks and the Trader Joe's to talk about the great work they've done for their fellow travelers.
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Cognitive dissonance. From RocketMan's link:
"I found it wrong that the federal government was trying to come here and prevent people from protesting and exercising their right to assemble and protest," mom Megan Kelly told Portland's KATU.
But are the feds preventing people from peacefully assembling and protesting?
The city's Democrat leadership has been criticized for its response. “The elected officials have condoned the destruction and chaos” in the city, said Daryl Turner, the head of the Portland Police Association, on Sunday.
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Demonstrators said they would remain nonviolent and protest as long as federal officers are in the city, the station reported.
Just before midnight, the unrest began to swell as protesters were seen knocking and coming close to the courthouse building, which resulted in federal officers setting off smoke gas, according to The Oregonian.
Some people started to tear off the plywood in front of the building around 12:20 a.m., which prompted police to throw devices that emitted smoke and an orange substance into the air.
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Police would later acknowledge that federal law enforcement deployed CS gas, also known as tear gas, and advised people to avoid the area of SW 3rd and SW Main. They reported people were throwing projectiles and some were armed with clubs, hammers, and other weapons.
But I'm sure those were peaceful, non-violent clubs, hammers, and other weapons.
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Police would later acknowledge that federal law enforcement deployed CS gas, also known as tear gas, and advised people to avoid the area of SW 3rd and SW Main. They reported people were throwing projectiles and some were armed with clubs, hammers, and other weapons.
But I'm sure those were peaceful, non-violent clubs, hammers, and other weapons.
No MAGA hats means they're thrown with love and tolerance.
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While I acknowledge Ben's points about the Federal stuff belonging to all of us not just Portland (from reply 21) I gotta kind of wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let the Portlanders burn Portland down, and let Oregon deal with the aftermath. Not EVERYTHING needs to be a federal problem, and in the grand scheme of federal dollars a couple buildings is pretty small change.
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I've thought the same thing, just let Portland burn, let the Idiocracy that lives there deal with the aftermath. Unfortunately, I have family, including three of my kids, that live in communities surrounding Portland. This stuff could begin to affect them in a bad way at some point.
And regarding the "Silent Majority", I've never been convinced that they really exist as a cohesive group. In my opinion, they are mostly just low information, uninvolved folks that vote their feelings.
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While I acknowledge Ben's points about the Federal stuff belonging to all of us not just Portland (from reply 21) I gotta kind of wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let the Portlanders burn Portland down, and let Oregon deal with the aftermath. Not EVERYTHING needs to be a federal problem, and in the grand scheme of federal dollars a couple buildings is pretty small change.
Actually on one hand I 100% agree with you. I'd love to see the feds say, "You want it, you got it" and leave Portland, let the buildings burn, and never return to them. On the other hand, there's no way that will happen without the result being that Portland/Oregon gets a bajillion of our tax dollars to rebuild.
The part of me that says people need to learn their lessons without getting bailed out would very much like to see Portland left in ruins (apologies to our members or their families with Portland connections - if it helps, I have always wished the same for CA), but the part of me that knows I'll end up paying for it would just as soon see the fed cops bash some heads to divert the rioters from fed buildings to city of Portland buildings. Though we saw the one time the Mayor got tough is when the protestors were on their way to his house.
I am still hoping that Trump tells Oregon to get bent when they demand hundreds of millions of federal dollars in relief.
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/
More scenes from last night's riot.
In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.
I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/
More scenes from last night's riot.
In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.
I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s
LOL
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FYI: The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking. Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.
From some additional stuff I have seen, the Feds in camo were wearing patches identifying their department and badge numbers. While they were in camo, they were not unidentified.
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From some additional stuff I have seen, the Feds in camo were wearing patches identifying their department and badge numbers. While they were in camo, they were not unidentified.
I think that's always been the case. They just haven't been very vocal when they haul off a miscreant. (Which is cool in a way. >:D )
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A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."
:facepalm:
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A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."
:facepalm:
All the cool fascist have them
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Of course, they're not saying word one about the use of Bill and Janet's "secret police" in Waco, Texas...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qa1Jc0Pih3s/hqdefault.jpg)
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Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not get crazy, here! That was a justifiable governmental action designed to reunite an individual with the blessings of universal socialism.
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A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."
:facepalm:
AOC to introduced bill requiring federal officers to wear identification including the department they work for, a badge number, and their last name. They didn't think through putting in an exception for undercover LE. :facepalm:
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/
More scenes from last night's riot.
In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.
I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s
I confess I am somewhat flummoxed by the fact that a bunch of these protesters have decided to leave there house for the protest with weapons and they choose.......clubs.
I don't think we are really at the point of violent overthrow of the government yet, but these folks clearly do. And they choose.......clubs.
I don't get it.
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I confess I am somewhat flummoxed by the fact that a bunch of these protesters have decided to leave there house for the protest with weapons and they choose.......clubs.
I don't think we are really at the point of violent overthrow of the government yet, but these folks clearly do. And they choose.......clubs.
I don't get it.
I think it's because many of them are just plain dumb. However, some of the peaceful protesters have been seen carrying firearms, so I suspect it's just a matter of time until they get sporty with them.
edited for spelling.
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MSNBC analyst: President Trump sending ‘paramilitary units’ into cities is a ‘trial run’ to steal the election through force or intimidation
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/msnbc-analyst-president-trump-sending-paramilitary-units-into-cities-is-a-trial-run-to-steal-the-election-through-force-or-intimidation/
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On a related note
Mayor Lightfoot putting her foot down on Trump's troops coming to Chicago because everything is peaches and cream in Chicago right now.
Under no circumstances will I allow Donald Trump’s troops to come to Chicago and terrorize our residents.
— Mayor Lori Lightfoot (@chicagosmayor) July 21, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/under-no-conditions-will-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-allow-president-trumps-troops-to-terrorize-the-residents/
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On a related note
Mayor Lightfoot putting her foot down on Trump's troops coming to Chicago because everything is peaches and cream in Chicago right now.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/under-no-conditions-will-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-allow-president-trumps-troops-to-terrorize-the-residents/
Is Antifa allowed to come to Chicago and terrorize the residents? Black Lives Matter?
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They might get shot in Chicago. And not by th cops.
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They might get shot in Chicago. And not by th cops.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=antifa+chicago&ia=web
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I can't vouch for the timeline, but someone said Lightfoot sent her tweet right after this happened:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-shooting-several-hospitalized
How dare Orange Man Bad intrude upon their peaceable kingdom?
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LawDog weighs in on the Portland mess:
https://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2020/07/nothing-quite-like.html
Every government that is big enough, and powerful enough to take enough money from enough citizens to give you that free healthcare, and that free college, and that Universal Basic Income, and that Student Loan Forgiveness, and all the other tax-funded "free" stuff that those little Marxist numpties in Portland are screaming for has a KGB, or a Stasi, or a Ministry of State Security.
Just as sure as night follows day; as sure as nits make lice; and as sure as Death -- every Socialist Utopia has a Gestapo lurking somewhere.
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Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides. Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/ (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/)
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^^^What is with the leaf blowers? Are they trying to blow tear gas on him, or away from him, or use the noise to drown out his speech?
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I don't approve of the abolishing the police force...
I do like the thought of him resigning...
And I heartily applaud the Feds gassing him.
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Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides. Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/ (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/)
These are not reasonable people. These are not even angry people shouting their opinions. They are screaming lunatics shouting threats of physical harm. If they were in front of my house, I would consider their actions justification for simply opening fire into the crowd and emptying as many magazines as I could to defend my physical well-being and protect my property.
Portland. What a pimple on the ass of America.
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Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides. Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.
=)
=D
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I thought Kyle MacLachlan was the mayor. ???
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Three officers may have suffered permanent eye injuries by lasers aimed at them by the rioters:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/federal-officers-blinded-by-lasers
The rioters also allegedly graffitied the building, blocked roadways, and lit several fires in the area.
According to Cline, when officers responded to put out the fires, lasers that can cause permanent blindness were shined in their eyes.
"We have three officers who currently have eye injuries and they may not recover sight in those eyes from those laser attacks," Cline said in the news conference.
Hoping that their injuries are not permanent.
If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?
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If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?
Sounds like a winner to me, Bob.
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If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?
In Oklahoma the standard for using deadly force in self defense is fear of death or serious bodily harm. In my mind being blinded falls squarely under serious bodily harm.
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In Oklahoma the standard for using deadly force in self defense is fear of death or serious bodily harm. In my mind being blinded falls squarely under serious bodily harm.
This, plus you have to expect them to go after your firearm(s).
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He lost his firearms in a sailboat accident.
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He lost his firearms in a sailboat accident.
I mean if a cop (or anyone else known to be armed) is attacked, he can expect the assailants to take his gun and shoot him, or someone else.
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I assume a laser is attached to a gun, act accordingly
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Three officers may have suffered permanent eye injuries by lasers aimed at them by the rioters:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/federal-officers-blinded-by-lasers
Hoping that their injuries are not permanent.
If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?
Do they have goggles that can filter stuff like that or do they have to know what to expect ahead of time?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GX71BF0ZoM
Seattle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1pdPezm54
Here is a press conference from Chicago. Shows some of the "protesters" changing clothes and gathering weapons to throw at officers. Toward the end it shows officers getting stuff thrown at them including incendiary stuff. Not sure why they didn't have helmets and face shields.
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Do they have goggles that can filter stuff like that or do they have to know what to expect ahead of time?
They claim there are protective goggles, but not sure how they would work. Auto-darkening welding filters, about shade 12? But will those darken if just one little spot is illuminated?
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They claim there are protective goggles, but not sure how they would work. Auto-darkening welding filters, about shade 12? But will those darken if just one little spot is illuminated?
Laser safety goggles just work by filtering out the particular wavelength of the laser they are made for. Since laser's, technically, can be any wavelength of light there isn't, that I am aware of, any PPE that will protect against all lasers.
For example, I have some goggles that are good for most of the red-green-blue range, but when I bought a CO2 cutting laser I got a different set to block the 10,600nm beam. The visible light glasses didn't go high enough. (Or the ones that did both were $15 from china and I didn't roll that particular dice)
The military lasers that I have used usually have a physical block that prevents them from going to high-power unless you unscrew it, so soldiers don't blind each other in training. (A real consideration when someone is whipping around an IR laser that can blind folks without triggering the blink reflex)
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Howz about that environment and all the damage plastic bottles do, Portland hippies?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/24/andy-ngo-shows-what-portland-rioters-do-to-the-federal-courthouse-every-single-night-while-the-mayor-blames-federal-agents/
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Is there still a Portland?
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White House Press Secretary plays a video of the rioting in Portland (because the MSM won't). Not only do we get complaints about raw footage showing what is actually going on, but even "conservative" Fox News cuts away from this?
IMO, Kayleigh should be integrating stuff like this into her briefings even more. A picture is worth a thousand words. Or a thousand whines if you're talking about Jim Acosta.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/24/heres-fox-news-explanation-for-why-they-cut-away-from-wh-presser-when-kayleigh-mcenany-was-showing-video-of-portland-rioting/
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WHAAAAAT ???
Harris Faulkner provided this explanation:
Harris Faulkner defends Fox's decision to leave the briefing after McEnany showed video of Portland violence, saying it was b/c there was a "video that we were not told would air and how it would be edited with some things on screen that we might have wanted a heads up about." pic.twitter.com/ysbyOfmxV1
— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) July 24, 2020
Since when does the White House send out pre-briefings on press briefings? The purpose of a press conference is to release news briefings.
What a slimy excuse for journalistic cowardice.
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Maybe somebody needed to go pee
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Yeah, FOX News is driving hard left & Woke Since the elder Murdoch handed over the reigns.
How in the hell is Donna Brazil even employable in the "news" business after she help Clinton cheat in the debates?
Let alone being hired at Fox News. Hell, even CNN said she violated their extremely low ethical standards.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donna-brazile-fox-news-democrat-hillary-clinton-sanders-cnn-debate-a8830286.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donna-brazile-fox-news-democrat-hillary-clinton-sanders-cnn-debate-a8830286.html)
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Laser safety goggles just work by filtering out the particular wavelength of the laser they are made for. Since laser's, technically, can be any wavelength of light there isn't, that I am aware of, any PPE that will protect against all lasers.
For example, I have some goggles that are good for most of the red-green-blue range, but when I bought a CO2 cutting laser I got a different set to block the 10,600nm beam. The visible light glasses didn't go high enough. (Or the ones that did both were $15 from china and I didn't roll that particular dice)
The military lasers that I have used usually have a physical block that prevents them from going to high-power unless you unscrew it, so soldiers don't blind each other in training. (A real consideration when someone is whipping around an IR laser that can blind folks without triggering the blink reflex)
The first part of what you wrote is correct - laser safety goggles are made to protect against specific lasers. Since common industrial lasers that pose eye hazards can range from UV to near IR, anything that protected against all wavelengths would simply be opaque.
Sounds like you were ripped off on the CO2 goggles. Very few materials that are transparent in the visible will also transmit a CO2 laser's 10.6 micron wavelength beam - in fact, when trying to focus or otherwise manipulate a CO2 laser's beam, you have to get special lenses made of materials like zinc selenide or germanium in order to transmit the beam. Ordinary polycarbonate lenses are fine to protect your eyes from 10.6 microns.
And by the way, unless the laser is REALLY powerful, your retina isn't at risk from a CO2 laser, since the lens/cornea are opaque to 10.6 microns.
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YOU ARE NOT WEARING MY UNIFORM CORRECTLY!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1287124389339844610
Also, it seems someone who was in the military would know fed LE don't wear military uniforms.
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Sounds like you were ripped off on the CO2 goggles. Very few materials that are transparent in the visible will also transmit a CO2 laser's 10.6 micron wavelength beam - in fact, when trying to focus or otherwise manipulate a CO2 laser's beam, you have to get special lenses made of materials like zinc selenide or germanium in order to transmit the beam. Ordinary polycarbonate lenses are fine to protect your eyes from 10.6 microns.
Shrug. They weren't that expensive from a reputable US Laser safety place. I have read a bit about CO2 lasers causing thermal damage to eyes, so I ered on the side of caution. I like seeing.
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The head of the Portland NAACP has some cogent words regarding the Portland protests.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/president-of-portland-naacp-says-the-protests-were-supposed-to-be-about-black-lives-not-white-women/
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The head of the Portland NAACP has some cogent words regarding the Portland protests.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/president-of-portland-naacp-says-the-protests-were-supposed-to-be-about-black-lives-not-white-women/
Welcome to the wacky world of SJWs Mr. NAACP President where every thing is about them
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Suddenly everyone in Portland is a uniform expert too.
These colors don't run.
That's why, you smelly hippie.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/hippie-chick-wants-to-know-why-the-flag-is-backwards-on-the-uniforms-of-president-trumps-stormtroopers/
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YOU ARE NOT WEARING MY UNIFORM CORRECTLY!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1287124389339844610
"Her voice is a WMD"
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/her-voice-is-a-wmd-antifa-karen-chews-out-the-federal-agents-protecting-the-portland-federal-courthouse-for-wearing-her-uniform-wrong/
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Suddenly everyone in Portland is a uniform expert too.
These colors don't run.
That's why, you smelly hippie.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/hippie-chick-wants-to-know-why-the-flag-is-backwards-on-the-uniforms-of-president-trumps-stormtroopers/
As a First Cav vet, I really loved the question about the horse patch.
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These have become some of my favorite videos of these riots to watch. While the antifas have decided all black lives in a uniform are evil and they treat them similar (but not as bad) as white people, they absolutely never know what to do when none-LE black people oppose them. It's like you can see the smoke coming out of their ears. "But we're your saviors! Our attention whoring is for you! Bow before us because we know what's best for you!" :laugh:
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There can be only one.... victim
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Seattle, not Portland, but same thing. Some lefty SJW radio host who was making fun of Trump "overreacting" to violence in Portland and Seattle is today saying that he needs a gun, because his apartment is above the Starbucks that was destroyed.
To paraphrase one of the comments, the jackass had his red pill moment not when peoples businesses were being destroyed, but when he couldn't get his $8 cup of coffee.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/26/life-comes-at-you-fast-blue-check-telling-trump-to-chill-dawg-over-seattle-riots-learns-he-was-right-the-hard-way-screenshots/
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More "peaceful protesters" in Austin TX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWarhdskkHk
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I see this, and I realize we have zero common ground with these morons. There are zero concessions that we could make that would make them happy. It's as if we're dealing with an alien species with completely different brain circuitry.
https://twitter.com/jc_1303/status/1287231458508234753
You want this driver arrested for not stopping for your protest?
You want this driver arrested for attempting to take a detour that would keep her away from your crowd?
You want this driver arrested because you followed her and jumped on her car and demanded she stop and she wouldn't?
You demand all people stop and obey your illegal blocking of a public roadway.
You claim that all people would have to do is detour around you - there were plenty of opportunities?
What opportunities? Is there a Google app now to let drivers know that you're spontaneously blocking roads for "justice"? And that would somehow make it the driver's fault for not knowing you'll be blocking their upcoming path?
These "rich white people" don't have kids to pick up from school? Elderly parents to get to? Or just want to go home from work, which is their absolute right?
As many of the comments indicate, people are getting fed up enough that I think running the blockades will both be more common and likely accepted by LE. If someone does to me what they did to this lady, I'm not moving forward at 2MPH like she did. I'm accelerating and leaving the scene. If you're stupid enough to try and ride along on the outside of my vehicle, that's your problem, jackass.
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Looks like the cop is telling her she has to stop and take the abuse from the rioters. It really didn't appear he was there to "protect and serve". I wonder if he had orders not to interfere with the rioters.
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There has got to be someone somewhere working on a killdozer right now. When he goes all Marvin on these assclowns there will be great rejoicing.
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If a blue wave comes about on Nov. 3 as some are predicting, I expect to see BLM and Antifa start moving more into the suburbs. This will be with the tacit approval of the Democrat mayors and county commissioners, of course. It will be interesting to see if the "protesters" stick to the streets in suburbia, or if folks are "requested" to go outside their homes and kneel for the BLM activists.
Also, has anyone noted the latest change in rhetoric, with Democrats calling the US a "democratic republic"? Various talking heads and print journalists have been sprinkling their stories with the term of late. I wonder if they're trying to acclimate us to changes they intend to make after the elections?
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There has got to be someone somewhere working on a killdozer right now. When he goes all Marvin on these assclowns there will be great rejoicing.
I don't see why it would turn out any better than it did for the African immigrant who hit the two white girls.
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More "peaceful protesters" in Austin TX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWarhdskkHk
Austin Motorist Shoots, Kills Protester Carrying a Rifle When Crowd Surrounded His Car [VIDEO]
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/austin-motorist-shoots-kills-protester-with-rifle-after-crowd-stopped-his-car-video/?utm_source=wideopen&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wideopen&utm_content=%5B%5Brssitem_title%5D%5D
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1287060297786654720?s=19
This guy needs to learn that blocking traffic only works if you have a mob to back you up.
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Cruz to Introduce Bill Holding Local Govs Liable to Property Owners if No Police Protection
https://hannity.com/media-room/cruz-moves-cruz-to-introduce-bill-holding-local-govs-liable-to-property-owners-if-no-police-protection/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
....Cruz said in a tweet on Sunday. “I’m introducing legislation to make local govt liable to private property owners if officials deliberately withhold police protection.”
I saw a tweet from James Woods asked about not allowing federal funds to be used to rebuild city damage from riots and Cruz replied it was in there. We'll see if this goes anywhere.
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https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1287384947616030720?s=19
Tim Pool
@Timcast
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Peaceful smoke billows out of some mobile units after Peaceful Protestersâ„¢ set a peaceful fire in peaceful Seattle
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=D
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I just bought a house in Boise. So I have to be honest I am almost a little relieved that things in Portland and Seattle continue to suck. Most of our housing demand comes from Seattle so this is going to be good for my home value.
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I just bought a house in Boise. So I have to be honest I am almost a little relieved that things in Portland and Seattle continue to suck. Most of our housing demand comes from Seattle so this is going to be good for my home value.
... until the Peaceful Protesters(tm) decide that Boise is next ...
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In Colorado, someone apparently shot at thiz jeep, missed, but hit someone else.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1287213647505195010
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I see this, and I realize we have zero common ground with these morons. There are zero concessions that we could make that would make them happy. It's as if we're dealing with an alien species with completely different brain circuitry.
https://twitter.com/jc_1303/status/1287231458508234753
You want this driver arrested for not stopping for your protest?
You want this driver arrested for attempting to take a detour that would keep her away from your crowd?
You want this driver arrested because you followed her and jumped on her car and demanded she stop and she wouldn't?
You demand all people stop and obey your illegal blocking of a public roadway.
You claim that all people would have to do is detour around you - there were plenty of opportunities?
What opportunities? Is there a Google app now to let drivers know that you're spontaneously blocking roads for "justice"? And that would somehow make it the driver's fault for not knowing you'll be blocking their upcoming path?
These "rich white people" don't have kids to pick up from school? Elderly parents to get to? Or just want to go home from work, which is their absolute right?
As many of the comments indicate, people are getting fed up enough that I think running the blockades will both be more common and likely accepted by LE. If someone does to me what they did to this lady, I'm not moving forward at 2MPH like she did. I'm accelerating and leaving the scene. If you're stupid enough to try and ride along on the outside of my vehicle, that's your problem, jackass.
The propaganda wing is in full force on the internet blaming the police and us for the “random violence” that occurs at the “peaceful protests”
They ain’t gonna be happy until they get their civil war they want so bad. Simultaneously trying to
destroy the economy with the Corona bullshit (including the runaway spending of the “we gotta pass them now to find out what’s in them” stimulus packages) and then the rioting and cancel culture...
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... until the Peaceful Protesters(tm) decide that Boise is next ...
A couple of Idaho lawmakers and the GOP chair are already using the protests as a rallying cry, saying that Boise will be the next Portland or Seattle if we're not careful. In many ways, they're correct. The recently elected Boise Mayor is a jackass.
Prior to the latest protests in downtown Boise, she put out a statement about how there was going to be another peaceful BLM protest, but she already had information about "outsiders' coming in to counter-protest and start violence. Who were those "outsiders"? Other Idaho residents not from Boise. You jackass. Did you not realize that the Mayor of Boise is also the Mayor of the city housing the state capitol? Where all Idahoans go to make their voices heard? You don't get to decide whose voices can be heard in Boise and whose can't. Boise is in Idaho. Idaho is not in Boise. You're outnumbered and surrounded, lady.
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In Colorado, someone apparently shot at thiz jeep, missed, but hit someone else.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1287213647505195010
The sound sucked on that video. Did the people all those people run off the road because of shooting or because the jeep was coming in at speed? They started getting off the road before the Jeep got there.
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287278680817823747?s=19
Earlier interview with protester shot during protest in Austin. Note his line at the end about people not doing anything about it.
I saw some twitter post claiming this guy never fired his rifle, others say he fired 5 times and shot the driver. Lots of misinformation going around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJO2L_kJr4&feature=emb_logo
This is video nearby. You can here 5 initial shots then several more shots a few seconds later. It sounds like they were shots from different weapons, but it could just be because they moved behind cover. It seems to back up that 5 shots were fired first by a rifle then someone fired back. We'll see.
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The sound sucked on that video. Did the people all those people run off the road because of shooting or because the jeep was coming in at speed? They started getting off the road before the Jeep got there.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Here's the police report:
https://www.auroragov.org/blog/One.aspx?portalId=2869361&postId=16915298&portletAction=viewpost
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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Here's the police report:
https://www.auroragov.org/blog/One.aspx?portalId=2869361&postId=16915298&portletAction=viewpost
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/car-drives-mob-protesters-colorado-highway-protester-shoots-fellow-protesters-trying-shoot-driver/
This link has a couple of twitter videos embedded. One appears to show the Jeep afterward. It has no front end damage, but it does have a flat front tire. Doesn't look to me like the Jeep hit anyway.
If I saw armed people in the crowd, I don't think I am sticking around.
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More fun in Colorado:
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-allegedly-tried-to-drive-through-or-over-blue-lives-matter-protesters/
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More fun in Colorado:
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-allegedly-tried-to-drive-through-or-over-blue-lives-matter-protesters/
And that protest was in a park. The guy probably justified it in his head based on people driving through protests elsewhere that were on the actual roadway.
This was in there. "Missiles"? Was someone throwing lawn darts?
Another person was cited for “throwing missiles,” police said.
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287278680817823747?s=19
Earlier interview with protester shot during protest in Austin. Note his line at the end about people not doing anything about it.
I saw some twitter post claiming this guy never fired his rifle, others say he fired 5 times and shot the driver. Lots of misinformation going around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJO2L_kJr4&feature=emb_logo
This is video nearby. You can here 5 initial shots then several more shots a few seconds later. It sounds like they were shots from different weapons, but it could just be because they moved behind cover. It seems to back up that 5 shots were fired first by a rifle then someone fired back. We'll see.
Another story with an interesting quote from the police - Chief Manley says that the driver shot first, which he says came after Foster pointed his gun at the driver.
Some yahoo points a gun at me I'm extremely likely to take him seriously and act accordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw)
https://thepostmillennial.com/black-lives-matter-protestor-austin-shoots-driver-kill (https://thepostmillennial.com/black-lives-matter-protestor-austin-shoots-driver-kill)
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Some yahoo points a gun at me I'm extremely likely to take him seriously and act accordingly.
https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27
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https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27
In that same vein ...
https://youtu.be/Ho2_c_LGZfk?t=211
This ... this bullshit ... this is gonna be on the nightly news.
Re Austin: the driver may well have been ... Justified ... but he* and his* family are in for a world of trouble when the dead loser's friends decide to turn his* life upside down with doxxing and other forms of harassment.
Ditto for the Jeep driver in Aurora.
*assuming the driver is male.
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No doubt that as soon as it is found out (leaked) the responsible news outlets will broadcast the shooters name, address, place of work or business and all their relatives they can track down in the name of responsible journalism.
I'm also seeing examples of how self defense is stigmatized by the general public. A dead rape victim is morally superior to a survivor that used deadly force to save their own life.
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Dems are starting to do an about face on the narrative today. Well, except for Jerry Nadler who says violence is a myth.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/worried-about-it-backfiring-lanny-davis-take-on-portland-rioters-shows-that-dem-narrative-is-shifting-right-in-front-of-our-eyes/
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Dems are starting to do an about face on the narrative today. Well, except for Jerry Nadler who says violence is a myth.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/worried-about-it-backfiring-lanny-davis-take-on-portland-rioters-shows-that-dem-narrative-is-shifting-right-in-front-of-our-eyes/
That sort of thing is another reason I don't think they will be a "blue wave". If they were so confident, the news media wouldn't be trying to cover up the violence angle.
I would honestly be a bit shocked if this stuff makes people vote FOR democrats. The democrats in the past would cool down on the leftist rhetoric once the primaries were over. This year, they have ramped it up and seem to be all for putting the most radical in office. There are centrist democrats being called Right-Wing and Nazi's. Hard for me to believe that is a winning strategy.
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Hard for me to believe that is a winning strategy.
Only in polls and according to the MSM. Just like in 2016. :)
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That Aurora shooter watched one too many action movies, and holy crap, the "know what's beyond your target" went right out the window, at least from the angle of the video. Looks like he was shooting from the worst possible angle given direction and speed of the vehicle. I often don't take shots at birds with my shotgun at those angles/speeds.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/person-who-opened-fire-on-jeep-driving-through-human-blockade-on-colorado-freeway-shot-2-fellow-protesters-instead/
I'm not sure I dig the Aurora PD statement. Makes it sound like the jeep driver was at fault.
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It didn't look like he hit anyone and the report said no one has come forward with injuries from being hit.
I liked this quote from the link.
Have been saying this for weeks - the longer police/govt don't get this in hand and restore order, the more citizens (on both sides) are going to start taking matters into their own hands.
Get. These. F@#$ing. People. Off. The. Road.
Stop allowing/enabling this, ffs.
This was an interstate highway. There may have been no other way around this protest except through. I also didn't see any mention of how long they were blocking traffic.
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https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27
I prefer this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw
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It didn't look like he hit anyone and the report said no one has come forward with injuries from being hit.
No, I agree - I think he was just trying to get through their roadblock on an Interstate. It's just a couple of the Aurora PD statements I read made it sound like he was aiming at protestors, which I do not for a second believe he was doing.
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I prefer this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw
RKL beat you to it.
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Now the UN wants to play ...
https://conservative-daily.com/2020/07/26/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump-to-stand-down-in-portland/
https://www.nairaland.com/6017899/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump
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Y'all knew this was coming ...
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Now the UN wants to play ...
https://conservative-daily.com/2020/07/26/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump-to-stand-down-in-portland/
https://www.nairaland.com/6017899/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump
Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.
The UN delivered a formal stand down order to the Trump administration, warning that there would be "consequences" if Federal officers continued enforcing Federal law…
Trump is on a roll, he just shut down a Chinese consulate/spy ring safe house in Houston. Sounds like he needs to kick the UN the *expletive deleted*ck out of the US.
:mad:
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Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.
There might be blue cardboard helmets on the targets at the next IPSC match ...
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Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.
That was my first thought, though I'd like to see a couple more sources to see if they actually said they "order". If true, yeah, *expletive deleted*ck them and the Prius they rode in on. Also, if true, Trump should yank around a half billion dollars of UN funding as punishment.
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That was my first thought, though I'd like to see a couple more sources to see if they actually said they "order". If true, yeah, *expletive deleted*ck them and the Prius they rode in on. Also, if true, Trump should yank around a half billion dollars all of UN funding as punishment.
FTFY
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I don't care how the U.N. said it; it's ugly. Talk about foreign meddling in an election...
The UN better have some statements condemning CHAZ/CHOP. No, forget that. What have they said about the anti-white movement afoot in the U.S., including BLM and other so-called "anti-racists"?
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Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.
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News Release from the UN
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971 (https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971)
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https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971
Spokesperson Elizabeth Throssell was answering a reporter’s question about the US authorities deploying federal security officers to various cities to quell demonstrations against racial injustice, sparked by the death of George Floyd, an unarmed African American man, while in police custody in Minneapolis on 25 May.
“Peaceful demonstrations that have been taking place in cities in the US, such as Portland, really must be able to continue without those participating in them - and also, the people reporting on them, the journalists - risking arbitrary arrest or detention, being subject to unnecessary, disproportionate or discriminatory use of force, or suffering other violations of their rights”, said Ms. Throssell.
Officers must be identified
Regarding reports about unidentified police officers detaining protestors, she said “that is a worry because it may place those detained outside the protection of the law, and may give rise to arbitrary detention and other human rights violations.”
Ms. Throssell said federal and local security forces must be properly and clearly identified. They also should use force only when necessary and in accordance with international standards.
“Also, it is important that any victims of unnecessary or excessive use of force do have the right to remedy, and there should be, as we often say, prompt, independent, impartial and transparent investigations into any allegations of human rights violations, and that should ensure that those responsible are held accountable”, she added.
Good grief. Where to start? :facepalm: She just gets everything wrong from start to finish. I don't have the patience to fisk this right now.
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https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971
Good grief. Where to start? :facepalm: She just gets everything wrong from start to finish. I don't have the patience to fisk this right now.
Not much else to say. She gets all her news from CNN and that sort and doesn't question it.
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Yeah sounds like she sits on the couch with Nadler to watch the news.
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Unfortunately, the foreigners that I know get their news either directly from US media like CNN, or from foreign news outlets that directly transmit AP sources. My Japanese colleagues watch CNN to practice their English. It's even worse than domestic spin, because a lot of people here in the states either know something about what is actually happening, or they understand when and how far to believe the news. But those overseas don't, so they often take what they see at face value.
The converse situation also exists, sometimes they see through cultural aspects that are taken at face value in America. I find this happens more often on social issues like feminist, gay, and sometimes race issues that are FU in America but FU along different lines overseas.
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Spokesperson Elizabeth Throssell was answering a reporter’s question about the US authorities deploying federal security officers to various cities to quell demonstrations against racial injustice...
They are neither demonstrations, nor are they about "racial injustice."
“Peaceful demonstrations that have been taking place in cities in the US, such as Portland, really must be able to continue without those participating in them - and also, the people reporting on them, the journalists - risking arbitrary arrest or detention, being subject to unnecessary, disproportionate or discriminatory use of force, or suffering other violations of their rights”, said Ms. Throssell.
Peaceful demonstrations? Yeah, those aren't even allowed right now. In the age of Covid, only lefty race riots are permitted, and that's what you're calling peaceful demonstrations. Liar.
Regarding reports about unidentified police officers detaining protestors, she said “that is a worry because it may place those detained outside the protection of the law, and may give rise to arbitrary detention and other human rights violations.”
Ms. Throssell said federal and local security forces must be properly and clearly identified. They also should use force only when necessary and in accordance with international standards.
“Also, it is important that any victims of unnecessary or excessive use of force do have the right to remedy, and there should be, as we often say, prompt, independent, impartial and transparent investigations into any allegations of human rights violations, and that should ensure that those responsible are held accountable”, she added.
Ugh. We got coal, sweetie. This is Newcastle. The U.N. really doesn't have much to teach us in this regard.
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Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.
Or the ones that can't read because the government schools let them down.
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Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.
Definitely quote-worthy.
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Or the ones that can't read because the government schools let them down.
More won't than can't
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Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/
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Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/
Shouldn't she have a mask on? She's within 6 ft of her squire/bodyguard.
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her squire/bodyguard.
:rofl:
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Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/
Why do you make us look at things like that? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Why do you make us look at things like that? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Why does the bass strike the Hula Popper ...
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Why does the bass strike the Hula Popper ...
:laugh:
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Oh man, this is hilarious. A Portland rioter was identified by LE through the review his grandma left for the "tactical vest" she bought him. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/too-good-to-check-portland-rioter-identified-from-review-his-grandmother-left-of-the-vest-she-bought-for-him/
The review is still up at the purchase site, which appears to be some kind of hipster skinny jean online store that sells "city gear". I'm hoping more people leave fake reviews, because they're pretty funny:
https://www.hibbett.com/hudson-mens-icons-reflective-vest---olive/B4987.html
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Oh man, this is hilarious. A Portland rioter was identified by LE through the review his grandma left for the "tactical vest" she bought him. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/too-good-to-check-portland-rioter-identified-from-review-his-grandmother-left-of-the-vest-she-bought-for-him/
The review is still up at the purchase site, which appears to be some kind of hipster skinny jean online store that sells "city gear". I'm hoping more people leave fake reviews, because they're pretty funny:
https://www.hibbett.com/hudson-mens-icons-reflective-vest---olive/B4987.html
Come back with your vest, grandson. Or on it! ;/
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Shouldn't she have a mask on? She's within 6 ft of her squire/bodyguard.
Quote from a Twitter post..."I get the community theatrics but what's the mime acting out?" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Why do you make us look at things like that? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Ben made you click on it? Ah sir, that was of your own free will that you clicked on the link.
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You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/
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You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/
After that tweet about the feds bringing violence, etc, I'd reverse course and send in more "stormtroopers."
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Help me meme:
According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?
Or do we make the same point, but with the number of federal agents that only do desk work?
Or go the other way with it, and talk about how many "mostly peaceful" Muslims only contribute money and material support to terrorism?
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Hug them all, let God sort them out
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You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/
That's a good idea. Move all federal services offices to Bend or Medford. In rented space, so if future "peaceful protests" peacefully trash the places, the feds can just set up operations in other rented space in another city.
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Help me meme:
According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?
Or do we make the same point, but with the number of federal agents that only do desk work?
Or go the other way with it, and talk about how many "mostly peaceful" Muslims only contribute money and material support to terrorism?
75% peaceful
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Help me meme:
According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?
Two panel. One a pie chart labeled United States Marine Corps showing 25% combat specialties and 75% other. Second panel your warlike Marines with “MOSTLY PEACEFUL” caption.
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Portland hits feds with $500 fine every 15 minutes fence stands outside besieged courthouse
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-maximum-fines-federal-government-fence-courthouse.amp?__twitter_impression=true
The city of Portland, Ore. is fining the federal government $500 for every 15 minutes it maintains unpermitted fencing outside of the federal courthouse that has faced nightly attacks amid ongoing protests and rioting.
City Commissioner Chloe Eudaly said in a statement Tuesday that the fencing is obstructing the street outside of the courthouse. As of Monday, she said, the federal government owed Portland $192,000.
"We are assessing the maximum fine of $500 for every 15 minutes the fence obstructs our street, and we are investigating other legal remedies available to us. Typically, we would send a maintenance crew or contractor to remove such an obstruction, but I will not send workers into harm's way," she said.
:laugh: :laugh:
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So find someone in the fed.gov with the power to fine the city for environmental or health and safety violations and impose a $1000 fine for every 10 minutes they are not in compliance with the law.
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I am rapidly approaching the "*expletive deleted*ck 'em" pull out and don't go back" level. Yeah the Portland protesters are being communist jackasses, but they clearly don't want the federal government there. So leave.
Help me meme:
According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?
Not what you asked for at all, but the "mostly peaceful" made me think of Hitchhiker's Guide, and this made me smile:
(https://i.imgur.com/TFtoiWJm.jpg)
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Protestors in public want privacy. ACLU to their rescue:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/30/aclu-of-oregon-sues-portland-police-bureau-for-live-streaming-video-of-courthouse-protesters/
Weren't these the same people that were mad that cops weren't wearing nametags?
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Protestors in public want privacy. ACLU to their rescue:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/30/aclu-of-oregon-sues-portland-police-bureau-for-live-streaming-video-of-courthouse-protesters/
Weren't these the same people that were mad that cops weren't wearing nametags?
They are probably also the same people who like to stage confrontations with police and video them, reveling in the fact that there is "no expectation of privacy" in a public setting.
Apparently in clownworld what's sauce for the goose is NOT sauce for the gander.
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If you don't want people to watch your protest, maybe it's not a protest?
(https://mustbethistalltoride.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/man-shrugging-shoulders.jpg)
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Looks like they are branching out into smaller cities, Springfield Oregon is about 60K.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/07/31/2317944/us-protesters-clash-with-police-at-racial-justice-rally-in-springfield-video
As an aside, it's really sad when I have to go to an Iranian news agency to get reliable reporting.
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I read that story yesterday somewhere. I didn't bring it up,because I know some people that hope they come to the small towns to teach them what not to do.
I will defend my family and land with all I have. I'm surrounded by ten or twelve loaded firearms. But I will never go looking for trouble.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/orcs-march-on-minas-tirith-in-mostly-peaceful-protest
ETA: this one is more fitting:
https://babylonbee.com/news/portland-police-make-millions-after-offering-citizens-a-turn-throwing-tear-gas
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Wow... this one is just freaking acidic!
https://babylonbee.com/news/911-operator-asks-caller-being-assaulted-if-hes-checked-his-white-privilege/
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Meanwhile, in Jefferson City...
In Jefferson City yesterday, the protesters decided to hold their die-in protest in front of the governor’s mansion. The video shows police called the assembly unlawful and ordered them out of the street. The protesters said they wanted to lie there for two minutes. They didn’t move. The police again gave them notice. Again they didn’t move. It wasn’t until the police started moving in toward them that protesters, moving in slow motion, decided to get up and amble slowly out of the street. They were blocking the street. They had blocked the street previously near the Capitol. And now they were trying to block the road in front of the governor’s mansion (which was stupid considering he wasn’t even there).
Then they whined when they got arrested. One of the screech owls in the group yelled “don’t touch me!” That might work in St. Louis. It didn’t work in Jefferson City.
https://ricochet.com/784808/mess-around-and-find-out/
Also, St Louis County's "first black prosecutor!" decided he should re-examine Michael Brown's death. After five months (I guess everybody needs a little project for lock-down), and no doubt many crumpled sheets of loose-leaf, he had to abandon any hope of finding a pretext for charging Wilson with a crime. I'm surprised there's been no mostly peaceful protest riot. But the anniversary of that event is coming up in about a week, so we'll see...
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Wow... this one is just freaking acidic!
https://babylonbee.com/news/911-operator-asks-caller-being-assaulted-if-hes-checked-his-white-privilege/
Dear Baylonbee. Please stop giving them ideas!
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Wasn't there a recent article that said calling the police was White Privilege?
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/08/minneapolis-city-council-president-lisa-bender-calling-police-privilege/
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ETA: this one is more fitting:
https://babylonbee.com/news/portland-police-make-millions-after-offering-citizens-a-turn-throwing-tear-gas
I'd spend a few bucks on that.
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Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088
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Portland police record highest number of death investigations in single month in more than three decades
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-police-record-highest-number-of-death-investigations-in-single-month-in-more-than-three-decades.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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At the antifa gathering in Austin, Texas, militants refuse to disperse occupied streets. Officers move in on horses and forcibly move the people out of the road. They scream and shout in anger.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1289755323620679680?s=09
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Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088
What? Why? ???
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Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088
I mean, OK. It's freedom of expression, even if you are expressing that you're kind of a dick. I'm not to sure what the bible has to do with police brutality, except maybe that Jesus was a POC that was killed by the police system?
I would poke them with a stick and say "Prove you aren't a coward, now do a Koran" though. Get the terrorists fighting each other.
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I would poke them with a stick and say "Prove you aren't a coward, know do a Koran" though. Get the terrorists fighting each other.
There is that.
I look at bible burning as I do flag burning or general book burning. You get to do it, but you're an ass, and I wouldn't mind punching you in the nose. But being a civilized Westerner, I probably won't punch you, and I certainly won't behead you for it.
I guess what bugs me most about this incident is that gathering to burn the bible is okie doke, but going to a church to read the bible will kill everyone with the virus. I'm getting sick of the politics surrounding what kind of gatherings and activities will kill people and which ones give you an immunity shield to the virus.
Same with this John Lewis funeral. They had every right to hold a big one for him, but at the same time, funerals for other people are denied or limited. There was a recent kerfuffle because some guy whose father had died had said this same thing, stating according to the gov, his dad wasn't important enough to rate 10+ people at the funeral. He got completely pounced on because his dad "wasn't John Lewis".
If people can get together to burn bibles, people can get together to read them.
If a politician gets to have a big funeral, then so does anyone else whose family wants one.
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Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088
No Korans? I wonder why? ;/
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Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)
https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s
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Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)
https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s
Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?
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Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)
https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s
Classic.
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Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?
I think it was an it.
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Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?
Interview with the saint.
https://youtu.be/Xw1LA94vC-U
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At the antifa gathering in Austin, Texas, militants refuse to disperse occupied streets. Officers move in on horses and forcibly move the people out of the road. They scream and shout in anger.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1289755323620679680?s=09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos)
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So Seattle protestors are suing because they can't afford to buy gas masks and stuff. I mean, don't they have grandmas?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protesters-in-seattle-claim-in-suit-that-gear-to-protect-them-from-cops-prices-them-out-of-civil-rights-report
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https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day). =D
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So Seattle protestors are suing because they can't afford to buy gas masks and stuff. I mean, don't they have grandmas?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protesters-in-seattle-claim-in-suit-that-gear-to-protect-them-from-cops-prices-them-out-of-civil-rights-report
(https://media.tenor.com/images/31dc79b875a93b1da1684a92954ac0e8/tenor.gif)
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Can we file a lawsuit over high gun and ammo prices needed to defend ourselves from these "peaceful" protesters?
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https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day). =D
He is literally a gun-grabber.
Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.
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https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day). =D
He is literally a gun-grabber.
Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.
If I remember correctly, that incident occurred somewhere in Europe. Can you imagine the media outrage if it had happened in the US?
It's still an uplifting video, though. :rofl:
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If I remember correctly, that incident occurred somewhere in Europe. Can you imagine the media outrage if it had happened in the US?
It's still an uplifting video, though. :rofl:
The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.
(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)
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Seattle, but fits here:
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1290473037729587202
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The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.
(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)
IIRC it's from France, Paris protests a while back to be exact
Their uniforms say POLICE on them as well, police is actually a French word
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He is literally a gun-grabber.
Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.
That nose popped like a balloon.
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The Seattle (at this point I'm just lumping in Seattle stuff with Portland stuff) police chief's neighbors defended their neighborhood with guns. Kinda like the STL couple, except these homeowners appear to be on the neighborhood's public street. Guess we'll see if the DA there attempts to press charges. The neighbors apparently have the support of the police chief.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/04/gun-owners-defend-seattle-police-chiefs-property-from-protesters/
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And in LA, someone is being charged for pointing a gun at protestors that were on his porch. We might need a discrete thread on people defending their homes and which of them are being charged for doing so.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/04/ill-shoot-you-i-dont-care-who-you-are-husband-of-los-angeles-county-district-attorney-charged-after-pointing-gun-at-black-lives-matter-protesters-at-their-home/
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The Seattle (at this point I'm just lumping in Seattle stuff with Portland stuff) police chief's neighbors defended their neighborhood with guns. Kinda like the STL couple, except these homeowners appear to be on the neighborhood's public street. Guess we'll see if the DA there attempts to press charges. The neighbors apparently have the support of the police chief.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/04/gun-owners-defend-seattle-police-chiefs-property-from-protesters/
https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2020/08/02/hundreds-of-blm-supporters-storm-snohomish-county-neighborhood-to-protest-at-seattle-police-chief-carmen-bests-home/
This happened about 15 miles south of me. Prior to this, I did not know that Carmen Best and her husband lived up here. I thought they lived in Seattle. Neighbors used their vehicles to prevent the protestors from getting close to the Chief's home. Both sides were armed but nothing untoward happened. There is no way in heck the neighbors will be charged with anything.
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From Millcreek's link:
A crowd of about 200 persons, mostly white men and women in their twenties, were dressed in black with masks and black hoods and carried signs that read “Black Lives Matter.” Black Lives Matter protestors shouted profanity and insults at neighbors, took license plate information on vehicles, took pictures of homes, and asked little kids who lived in the neighborhood what schools they attended.
That is absolute intimidation. If they start targeting people's kids, they are going to end up with bullet holes. A few other comments from the link made it sound like they were following a manual.
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And in LA, someone is being charged for pointing a gun at protestors that were on his porch. We might need a discrete thread on people defending their homes and which of them are being charged for doing so.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/04/ill-shoot-you-i-dont-care-who-you-are-husband-of-los-angeles-county-district-attorney-charged-after-pointing-gun-at-black-lives-matter-protesters-at-their-home/
Something tells me those charges will disappear after an appropriate amount of time has passed.
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
Your question is phrased such it implies a conspiracy. I don't know if it is or not, but at the rate things are going it seems we're heading for one regardless of it being planned or not. =(
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If they wanted to instigate a civil war/race war what do you suppose they would do differently?
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
I think part of it is simply democrat politicians thinking they need to play to the mob.
The other part of me says if they get rid of police, there will be multiple other groups set up to do the same thing only worse with less accountability.
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The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.
(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)
The brief look at the road sign looks like France, who also spell it "Police", which is likely where English got that word.
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Stop posting pictures of rioters!!!
Interesting that she uses the word "riot" instead of "protest".
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/05/violent-rioters-dont-want-troublemakers-like-andy-ngo-documenting-their-violent-rioting-because-you-are-threatening-their-lives-video/
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Stop posting pictures of rioters!!!
Interesting that she uses the word "riot" instead of "protest".
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/05/violent-rioters-dont-want-troublemakers-like-andy-ngo-documenting-their-violent-rioting-because-you-are-threatening-their-lives-video/
If she is concerned about rioters getting arrested, that means someone is actually arresting enough of them to get noticed. Good.
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397
Hahaha. :rofl:
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397
Hahaha. :rofl:
As an aside, this article is the second time I saw the mention of "industrial lasers". Evidence needed, but it appears these guys are not using classroom laser pointers (which can also damage vision). I read another article that stated over 200 police nationwide have reported eye injury and loss of sight (none permanent yet, I think) from laser attacks.
I've seen nothing about LE going after these people for lasers, and this story seems to indicate that the rioters are using them on just about anybody that's not part of the riots. There should be some VERY serious charges and mandatory prison time for this crap. Maybe it's just me, but I would rather lose a couple of legs and an arm than lose my eyesight.
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According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.
Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.
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As an aside, this article is the second time I saw the mention of "industrial lasers". Evidence needed, but it appears these guys are not using classroom laser pointers (which can also damage vision). I read another article that stated over 200 police nationwide have reported eye injury and loss of sight (none permanent yet, I think) from laser attacks.
I've seen nothing about LE going after these people for lasers, and this story seems to indicate that the rioters are using them on just about anybody that's not part of the riots. There should be some VERY serious charges and mandatory prison time for this crap. Maybe it's just me, but I would rather lose a couple of legs and an arm than lose my eyesight.
I've run across a few articles recently that mentioned three federal officers may have permanently damaged eyesight from lasers used against them by the Portland rioters.
A rioter trying to blind someone with a laser is getting themselves into the realm of causing serious bodily harm. Eventually, some of these idiots are going to get shot by people exercising their right to self defense.
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397
Hahaha. :rofl:
Nothing says "get out of my way I'm not stopping" like a truck pushing a motorcycle in front of it.
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What? Why? ???
Pure antagonism. They want to be made a victim.
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According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.
Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.
It is attempted maiming and for drivers in motion it rises to attempted vehicular homicide.
Laser wielders absolutely should be shot in self defense.
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397
Hahaha. :rofl:
Apparently that driver has been detained by the cops. There are claims by the rioters that he fired shots at them. The driver is cooperating with the investigation.
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I've run across a few articles recently that mentioned three federal officers may have permanently damaged eyesight from lasers used against them by the Portland rioters.
A rioter trying to blind someone with a laser is getting themselves into the realm of causing serious bodily harm. Eventually, some of these idiots are going to get shot by people exercising their right to self defense.
Under Texas law, I think that would definitely fall under "serious bodily injury" and justify use of deadly force.
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There isn't a Utah thread, but things are getting sporty there too:
https://twitter.com/ConflictJustice/status/1290133215420624899
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Police-and-protesters-clash-in-Utah-at-suburban-15454407.php
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/08/05/dozens-residents-speak/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cottonwood-heights-seeks-state-review-of-officer-conduct-at-protest-that-turned-violent/ar-BB17CpCr
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According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.
Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.
I was illegally packing my old sp101 .357 magnum with crimson trace in San Francisco 15 yrs ago or so, when a jack-donkey pointed a laser in my face while I was riding my motorcycle.
I managed to turn my head in time but was very tempted to empty to fire at him, as there was no way to be sure it was merely a pointer
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Regarding the truck pushing the bike:
Police said someone also fired a gun during the unrest and a pickup truck accelerated into the crowd while pushing an unoccupied motorcycle in front of it.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-chief-says-riots-not-helping-cause-of-racial-justice-enough-is-enough
Without having seen the video, I would think from that quote that someone just rammed their truck through the crowd out of spite or frustration. Having seen the video, that is not, of course, what happened. That was self-defense. The cops must have seen the video.
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I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder
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I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder
ONLY because it may help get Trump reelected
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Thursday evening condemned the actions of rioters who attempted to set fire to a police precinct and blocked the exits while officers were inside.
Peacefully of course
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I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder
And yet, he's STILL a mealy-mouthed weasel:
"When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder"
NO. If you commit arson of an occupied building, that's attempted murder. None of this crap about "trapping people inside."
It might sound like I'm being a pedant, but since these... ....leftist politicians.... .... have been trying to say "ATTACKING PROPERTY ISN'T VIOLENCE!"1 it's necessary to make this point. These insurrectionists are trying to kill people EVERY TIME they attempt burning things down.
That they are also attempting to trap people inside is additional malice, not the factor for attempted murder.
1: I suppose I must also note that that's a lie, too. It most certainly is violence.
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How the media is treating this crap reminds of how many of them treated 9-11 and it's gotten way worse since.
They act like we're the ones declaring war, unjustly of course, while completely ignoring the fact the other side already declared war on us some time ago.
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How the media is treating this crap reminds of how many of them treated 9-11 and it's gotten way worse since.
They act like we're the ones declaring war, unjustly of course, while completely ignoring the fact the other side already declared war on us some time ago.
So you're saying some people did something?
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So you're saying some people did something?
MSM: We (The US) did something
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Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520
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Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520
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Like the cowardly, & dangerous, animals they are.
My hat's off to the older woman. She's got bigger balls than I. I'd have to think long and hard before going out there even with a firearm and a couple knives.
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Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520
well, bullets are getting pricey, rope however is reusable - recycling is good for the earth
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You know what’s really wrong with Ted Wheeler? He is not lefty enough. His mayoral challenger is far to the left of him. Hope she wins because with the movies shut down I have lacked good popcorn eating media. [popcorn]
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https://twitter.com/BaldEagle1964/status/1290468970106167296?s=20
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
I think part of it is simply democrat politicians thinking they need to play to the mob.
The other part of me says if they get rid of police, there will be multiple other groups set up to do the same thing only worse with less accountability.
Possibly it's intentional, and someone thinks they can control and manage it. Or folks further up the chain want us right where this would get us.
"Ride the tiger, y'all."
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
I think it's more a prelude to revolution, something much different than civil war.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/state-police-pull-troopers-out-of-portland-return-troopers-to-regular-assignments.html
Since the prosecutor is letting rioters go, I don't blame them for leaving.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1294932764475760641
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1294932764475760641
The next tweet down, where they add the "Cops" theme is even more satisfying.
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The next tweet down, where they add the "Cops" theme is even more satisfying.
Oh, sorry. I thought that was the one I was linking to. :laugh:
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(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.ZW_fvdhjvr5nL9IzIQiUBAHaDJ%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
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I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report
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I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report
At what point do federal marshals or the FBI go in and arrest Portland government officials for insurrection?
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I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report
What could you possibly need more than 10 rounds in a magazine to defend yourself for?
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At what point do federal marshals or the FBI go in and arrest Portland government officials for insurrection?
The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.
Brad
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The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.
Nah, it'll be fine.
Plus, that's the government that they chose to elect.
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The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.
Brad
But are they unlawful or just incompetent? And at what point does willful incompetence become unlawful. Maybe that's for the courts to decide *after* the arrests are made.
It would probably be better if the state handled it instead of the feds, if they would use a big hammer like removing all the top local officials from office and putting the city under some kind of guardianship. But the state might be in on the current situation; it's hard to tell from here.
I think this applies to the mayor and the DA in Portland, even if their motive is just stupidity: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 Lock 'em up. (searching for a smiley face wearing a judge's wig and banging a gavel)
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But are they unlawful or just incompetent? And at what point does willful incompetence become unlawful.
When it's willful. It's called "nonfeasance."
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I did not realize the guy whose grandma bought him a "riot vest" was such a key figure in the Portlandia revolt.
https://youtu.be/FZx5QCEMY2Q
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I did not realize the guy whose grandma bought him a "riot vest" was such a key figure in the Portlandia revolt.
https://youtu.be/FZx5QCEMY2Q
I didn't realize that vest boy was the self-styled hero who was "protecting" the nekked lady.
Such a gentleman!
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That's a good idea. Move all federal services offices to Bend or Medford. In rented space, so if future "peaceful protests" peacefully trash the places, the feds can just set up operations in other rented space in another city.
Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way. The riots would just follow to those cities.
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Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way. The riots would just follow to those cities.
"Methford"
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Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way. The riots would just follow to those cities.
Reaping what they sow.
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https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/01/29/an-oregon-trash-pickup-is-part-of-a-conservative-campaign-to-make-liberal-cities-look-like-garbage-dumps/
Um,no. they look like garbage dumps without any help.
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Apparently they took over Ted Wheeler's condo, and the police don't show up:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protesters-gather-at-portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-s-condo-friday-night-live-updates/ar-BB18uZXC
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=D [popcorn]
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Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm
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Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm
Oh how FOX News has fallen.
The framing, the word choices and presuppositions in that "report" are all leftist.
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Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm
They're doing it wrong.
(https://www.canald.com/polopoly_fs/1.1417510!/image/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg)
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They're doing it wrong.
https://www.canald.com/polopoly_fs/1.1417510!/image/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg
You're doing it wrong.
(https://nationalinterest.org/files/main_images/fgnjjryjryjr.jpg)
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You're doing it wrong.
(https://nationalinterest.org/files/main_images/fgnjjryjryjr.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
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The sight of all that overwhelming love and peace must of have given the hate filled Trump supporter a heart attack. Love trumps hate.
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Feel the love
“I am not sad that a f—ing fascist died tonight,” says a woman at the antifa gathering in downtown Portland. The crowd laughs and cheers. The ID of the deceased is not confirmed but he is believed to be a Trump & blue lives supporter. #PortlandRiots pic.twitter.com/XV6471FSuF
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 30, 2020
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/one-dead-in-portland-shooting-after-antifa-trump-supporters-clash-video/
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The rules have, for certain, changed now.
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Feel the love
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/one-dead-in-portland-shooting-after-antifa-trump-supporters-clash-video/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/4chan-users-appear-identified-portland-rioter-shot-killed-trump-supporter/
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The Portland shooting was likely in retaliation for the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings in Kenosha.
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Fing stupid. Trump supporters on the loose in Portland has a 100% chance of optics that harm what they support. Let the other side do their own infomercial and hopefully burn the whole city unopposed. It's going to have to be a lot worse before Susie McPrius can no longer make excuses for them.
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Fing stupid. Trump supporters on the loose in Portland has a 100% chance of optics that harm what they support. Let the other side do their own infomercial and hopefully burn the whole city unopposed. It's going to have to be a lot worse before Susie McPrius can no longer make excuses for them.
That's kinda where my thinking is. Just leave them to their own devices and let them destroy themselves. They've already been proving sensible people right in that the rioting didn't at all slow down after the feds pulled out.
Just let it burn. Maybe at some point enough leftists will be affected that they start whining to "do something!". As long as it's feds and conservatives being harmed, the riots are good. If there are no feds or conservatives around, the rioters are still gonna riot against whoever is left.
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Some on the left are saying the decadent was pulling out some pepper spray first and that the shooter was not being threatening therefore the shooting was self-defense.
That's likely a lie, but if true wouldn't it be self-defense?
I mean if someone is trying to incapacitate me I would have to assume he is willing to do worse to me, therefore I would have the right to defend myself.
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That can work both ways. If the decedent was pulling out pepper spray, it could also have been in self-defense. It may have been the only thing he had to defend himself against the guy with the gun.
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The people in the cities have made their choice, they have charted their course.
They have chosen their leaders.
I can see no point in sending good men into harms way to restore order to places where the people and their leaders have overtly rejected order.
Let them have what they desire.
“Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.”
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This has become an all too familiar pattern
The #antifa investigated for shooting the Portland Trump supporter is Michael Reinoehl. Last month he was arrested at another antifa riot for illegally carrying a loaded gun. He was let go. He then went on to allegedly kill Aaron Danielson.
My latest:https://t.co/r6rFxqjZ4P
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 31, 2020
Someone needs to investigate on how felony possession of a firearm by a convicted felon was dropped. Was his bail paid for by the team @KamalaHarris was endorsing?
— Branden Leon (@Branden_Leon) August 31, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/08/31/blood-on-their-hands-alleged-shooter-of-portland-trump-supporter-is-antifa-member-previously-arrested-for-illegally-carrying-loaded-gun-they-let-him-go/
Them: But But we need more gun laws!
Me: We need to enforce the laws we have.
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Them: But But we need more gun laws!
Me: We need to enforce the laws we have.
We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.
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We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.
The first half of that statement is essentially the antifa goal . . . .
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We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.
They like having a grab bag of laws to pick and choose from whichever ones are useful to them at a particular time.
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We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.
Oh they're being enforced...against you.
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The people in the cities have made their choice, they have charted their course.
They have chosen their leaders.
I can see no point in sending good men into harms way to restore order to places where the people and their leaders have overtly rejected order.
Let them have what they desire.
“Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.”
I heard a reminder today that the Oregon state police pulled out of Portland because the local DA was refusing to prosecute people they were arresting.
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They like having a grab bag of laws to pick and choose from whichever ones are useful to them at a particular time.
If they can't be dictators and do whatever they want, then they will have so many laws they can still do whatever they want.
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Are they *expletive deleted*ing serious?!?!?!?
This has to be the most blatant gaslighting that I've seen yet. Pretty balsy, considering how much documentation there is that the opposite has been happening for weeks.
Joe Biden condemns violence in Portland and challenges President Trump to do the same https://cnn.it/31LNeMJ
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/31/fact-check-cnn-reports-joe-biden-condemns-portland-violence-challenges-president-trump-to-do-the-same/
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As a member of Trump's right wing militia secret police, I promise to stop violently getting attacked by Aunty Fuh, and I apologize for stealing her mailbox. I promise from now on I'll just do peaceful stuff, like burning buildings, attacking people for driving on public roads, and the occasional random murder.
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Head of DHS is done messing around.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-wheeler-feds-dhs-chad-wolf-letter
Message (summarized): All you have to do is ask and we'll be happy to assist in you getting your *expletive deleted*it together. If you can't or won't, we'll step in and get it together for you.
Brad
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Sheriffs in Oregon blast governor Brown and Portland mayor Wheeler:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/oregon-sheriffs-rip-governor-portland-violence
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Head of DHS is done messing around.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-wheeler-feds-dhs-chad-wolf-letter
Message (summarized): All you have to do is ask and we'll be happy to assist in you getting your *expletive deleted*it together. If you can't or won't, we'll step in and get it together for you.
Brad
I kinda wish he wouldn't have sent it. I was fine when Trump first sent in feds using my tax dollars. Portland and Oregon made their position on that clear. They wanted to be on their own. Now they are. Sending feds in again is just wasting tax dollars.
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And gives them more ammo to blame Trump.
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And gives them more ammo to blame Trump.
Trump does nothing it's all Trump's fault
Trump does something it's all Trump's fault
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Once again, appeasing the mob doesn't work.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/
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Once again, appeasing the mob doesn't work.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/
That's okay, insurance will pay for.....part of it.
Considering the fact the mayor's condo is in there bet several police officers were thinking "burn baby burn"
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Police initially “stayed out of sight and monitored the situation from a distance” in a bid to “de-escalate” any violence — even as windows were smashed and graffiti daubed on numerous walls, the force said.
I think I see the problem here. Hanging back doesn't "de-escalate" anything with these people. The unwillingness to use force to suppress the mobs and prosecute them is the problem.
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I think I see the problem here. Hanging back doesn't "de-escalate" anything with these people. The unwillingness to use force to suppress the mobs and prosecute them is the problem.
With a DA that will just let them go and a mayor and governor that refused help from the National guard, I can't really blame the police for not engaging. I might just walk away.
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Will John Gault be a cop?
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Who is John Gault?
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Who is John Gault?
Ask your mom
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I'll need a Ouija board then.
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“If Trump wanted to end the violence in American cities, he could simply go on his Twitter feed and tell his supporters to go home,” @JoyAnnReid says. “Trump is openly doing the opposite, encouraging more violence.”https://t.co/kFMylnwpFW
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/joy-reid-says-president-trump-could-stop-the-rioting-if-hed-simply-tweet-to-his-supporters-to-go-home/
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) September 1, 2020
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I'd like to see him do that just to watch the violence continue unabated with no Trump supporters to blame.
=D
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She's not done
Trump supporters are acting like “Muslims act.” – Joy Reid, President of the Tolerant Left â„¢️pic.twitter.com/BQgKBwgEoL
— Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) September 1, 2020
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=53171.3725;num_replies=3736
:facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm:
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She's not done
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=53171.3725;num_replies=3736
:facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm:
Interesting, since it seems to be the antifa and BLM jackasses that are destroying historical statues like the Taliban do.
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MSM & Dems: There are no riots, everything is peaceful. All is well.
Also MSM & Dems: The riots are all Trump's fault and are tearing the country apart
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And then there's this video (https://youtu.be/4dD-dNohQeE) that shows Dems and the left calling for violence.
And have been for months, yet they and the media say it's Trump that is causing the violence.
Riots for moths and they say nothing, but Trump supporters have one rally and it's "white supremacists invading and trying to destroy Portland!"
A Trump supporter is straight up murdered in cold blood by a BLM/antifa terrorist and it's Trump's fault. Also the guy deserved it because reasons.
But some kid defends himself from the same kind of mob and he's a white supremacist domestic terrorist. And Trump is directly responsible for his actions.
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“If Trump wanted to end the violence in American cities, he could simply go on his Twitter feed and tell his supporters to go home,” @JoyAnnReid says. “Trump is openly doing the opposite, encouraging more violence.”https://t.co/kFMylnwpFW
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/joy-reid-says-president-trump-could-stop-the-rioting-if-hed-simply-tweet-to-his-supporters-to-go-home/
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) September 1, 2020
I think when she says "tell his supporters to go home," she means back to Nazi Germany, so the peaceful black and brown people of color can peacefully protest in peaceful peace. ;/
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What was the Rochester live feed switched to Portland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIrgsQzV5U
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We need more dancing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073
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Portland on the ground.
This whole antifa thing is bizarre.
These guys were in Portland in the hiring process for the Police Dept there and got caught by a protest that flipped to a riot.
We get 11 blocks down the road and this black Chevy Impala is ghosting us down the street, he’s kind of been in our shadow since block two or three He rolls his window down and starts asking us a bunch of questions. Why are we here, what are we doing, telling us we need to get the *expletive deleted*ck out of here, asking us where our car is etc., we pretty much told him to get the *expletive deleted*ck away from us because we didn’t know who he was. I finally asked him at one point, Who the *expletive deleted*ck are you, man, you need to leave us alone, and he was like I’m the *expletive deleted*ing police, bro, who are you? So he pulled his car over and he and his partner talked to us. He was one of the special programs guys, either with SWAT or SRT or whatever. He was the one that yelled at me not to reach, and tried to help us out. He said he knew that we’ve been pepper sprayed and we’re having trouble seeing, I kind of snapped at him, Like hey mother *expletive deleted*er, You’ve been watching this whole thing *expletive deleted*ing unfold and you didn’t intervene at all or light the crowd up or something? He started laughing and he was like, Man, if I got out and tried to help you guys, my *expletive deleted*ing car would be on fire right now, and I’d be running next to you.
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=24e17f851dda927f0a541cfdb2ac594191671300-1599403175-0-Afoyop6bhjTkdow4xtFj6JQ03LQVrCRinc7LhpZerh3qfN25aaKMC7gmrt9Tsq6t4v78HtsFtTVLN5bMesfZoKlBmpGto1aqe-amfUv1nqQbDnRCmA8UP0Oi8DhYk39W6Eiin2e1ID7GzVFaW2knwqYkcqv86THTVOud2-yOc0ymZihj06lnSRzre74ZW_TXKkHtiUT2pog9M014lgUmYrtFlprpAlT6_eYN-sIWKsC_hnmbo28DcsNfiu2So5w-8GDXZZFmUXoPmy8cPJfxj-I_u-g8lOQxS5BX-6b5AJ0_fZtWmq3HJxFnPsfglHZ9pA
(wow, that's a long link!)
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We need more dancing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073
With Commentary :rofl:
https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1302476915203141632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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I guess it's getting too common to start a new thread for every city. This is apparently in Dallas. Maybe coming to another red state near you.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/09/06/most-terrifying-moment-of-my-life-joe-biden-mob-blm-chases-and-peacefully-throws-bottles-at-brandon-straka-team-watch/
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(https://e.lvme.me/dimsjfl.jpg)
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We need more dancing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073
That fella was really hotfootin' it, Jack!
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Stop, drop and roll wasn't doing much good for him. Too bad.
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Stop, drop and roll wasn't doing much good for him. Too bad.
Neither was that garbage can lid that guy kept trying to beat out the flames with
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Neither was that garbage can lid that guy kept trying to beat out the flames with
I guess people do stupid things under stress, but I wondering what that idiot thought he was doing.
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They don't think. That is the problem.
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White People speaking out for blacks by harassing blacks. I will say, if it wasn't for the color of her skin, they wouldn't have let her through. Good on her for standing up to the basement dwellers though. Once again, if it was me, it would have been gas pedal time.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/07/the-most-2020-thing-so-far-portland-mob-tried-to-prevent-a-black-woman-from-driving-down-the-street-guess-who-won-this-brief-standoff-video/
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White People speaking out for blacks by harassing blacks. I will say, if it wasn't for the color of her skin, they wouldn't have let her through. Good on her for standing up to the basement dwellers though. Once again, if it was me, it would have been gas pedal time.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/07/the-most-2020-thing-so-far-portland-mob-tried-to-prevent-a-black-woman-from-driving-down-the-street-guess-who-won-this-brief-standoff-video/
Looked like a few of them were smart enough to realize how it looked. Also, a few others can't help but call her the N-word showing the real racists are on the left.
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We need more dancing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073
I did notice that it looks like the evil police were the ones that actually brought up a fire extinguisher and de-flamed the the anti-cop protester.
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Now Pittsburgh. "Police are investigating". Translation: You're on your own.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/08/thugs-president-trump-calls-out-blm-protesters-in-pittsburgh/
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Oooh, he said thugs. One of those words that's conveniently only racist if someone is criticizing BLM.
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I'm hearing rumors that the fires in the I-5 corridor are arson, and being started by antifa.
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I'm hearing rumors that the fires in the I-5 corridor are arson, and being started by antifa.
Already caught a few red handed.
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/10/its-literally-coming-from-inside-the-house-legislative-director-for-oregons-house-speaker-d-arrested-at-antifa-riot-in-portland-pic/
I said this months ago.
The reason Democrats can't denounce Antifa is because THEIR STAFF IS ANTIFA.
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Now Pittsburgh. "Police are investigating". Translation: You're on your own.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/08/thugs-president-trump-calls-out-blm-protesters-in-pittsburgh/
Yeah, but ...
WTAE: Pittsburgh police investigate after videos surface of protesters clashing with the public https://t.co/mlcQ43rz8o
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) September 7, 2020
... they were "mostly peaceful" clashes, so it's all cool.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=levJfMgNeY4&feature=youtu.be
Decide if you agree or not. Timcast says the Feds deputized local LEO's and are prosecuting rioters in federal court. Protests are becoming more peaceful for some reason.
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Already caught a few red handed.
Red-handed or flame-footed, as long they're caught.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/oregon-officials-squash-rumors-that-far-right-far-left-are-setting-the-fires-ravaging-the-state/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0MjVDop8k2d0t3M7dpjzKd70qskds5G0NwR3AKPw31ysZRX5fKnE4WD74#Echobox=1599798364
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=levJfMgNeY4&feature=youtu.be
Decide if you agree or not. Timcast says the Feds deputized local LEO's and are prosecuting rioters in federal court. Protests are becoming more peaceful for some reason.
When a locality is in rebellion and refuses to enforce the laws, this is likely the least intrusive thing the federal government can do to protect its citizens.
Additionally, while I'd prefer the federal government didn't have laws that should be left to the state, they do. It really seems this part of the fight (which no one here has taken up, I do note) is a rather foolish one. Concerns about Federal laws should be dealt with at the passing of those laws, not the enforcement of them.
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Profile photo, opens profile page on Twitter in a new tab
Ed Markey
@SenMarkey
Portland police routinely attack peaceful protestors with brute force. We must disarm these officers, and every other police department in America, of weapons of war, and enact a nationwide ban on tear gas, rubber and plastic bullets, and bean bag rounds.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/14/insane-idiocy-dem-sen-ed-markey-wants-to-strip-every-police-department-in-america-of-nonlethal-tools-and-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/
So just lethal force then? Got it.
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I am surprised they don't demand the officers have their hands tied behind their back also.
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I am surprised they don't demand the officers have their hands tied behind their back also.
The officers could at least kneel and apologize for being white.
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Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html
I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting. Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail. An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.
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Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html
I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting. Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail. An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.
When the DA won't bring charges and just lets everyone go, there will be no bail.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/08/12/liberal-da-announces-hell-will-not-prosecute-many-of-the-arrested-rioters-portlan-n2574203
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Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html
I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting. Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail. An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.
That's in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Different state, different side of the country...
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Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html
I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting. Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail. An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.
[Devil's Advocate]
Then what would you consider to be "excessive bail" then? At least one of those charged is a 20 year old student at a public university. She doesn't have $1 million dollars. Odds are she doesn't even have the 10% that is normally a bail bondman's cut. The judge effectively remanded them without bail.
If that was the judges intention due to the seriousness of the felony, then the judge should have just done that.
Bail is supposed to be set low enough you can actually pay it, but high enough that you are unlikely to write it off and run. The idea is the accused can leave jail to live and work until they are found guilty or not. Setting bail at more then the accused is likely to make in the next decade combined seems pretty unreasonable.
[/Devil's Advocate]
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Somebody needs to shoot the devil ..... [tinfoil] :angel: ..... >:D
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I wonder if the fact that celebrities and ideological supporters are fronting bail money was factored in. That is to say, if there is a large fund that is specifically intended to be used to free rioters so they can go back to rioting after being arrested, setting bail amounts as though the accused were using only their own money, or cared if the money was returned may not be effective.
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Dogmush's reasoning is one of the first things that popped into my mind. While I am happy they are finally doing something about these jackasses, I was also thinking, "What if it was an armed protest of gun owners in a radically left area?" A judge there could do the same $1mil thing advocating from the bench. I always think about the "Reid Rule" and how that stuff can backfire depending on who's in charge.
Then I also read what Cordex wrote, and can't help but wonder if the celebrity bail funds and other factors played into it.
These are people that are clearly destroying things, and the idiots even record themselves doing it. So innocent until proven guilty, but once they get to court, guilt will likely be easy to prove. So I guess we have to ask, how do we get them to court? How do we assure speedy trials? How do we make sure they don't get a slap on the wrist? Given the latter, we see many of these people have already gotten multiple slaps on the wrist and it's not a deterrent.
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I don't really disagree with dogmush. $1 Million is excessive even though arson is a very serious crime. It might be better to withhold bail for a short time until an initial hearing to evaluate the case. That bail amount might be more reasonable if it was shown the person was let go and then did the same crime again. They also did not say what the other riot related charges are.
I do think the solution to the bail problem would be a speedy trial. I don't know how we could do that. The system seems to be set up to slow things down.
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Dogmush does make a good point. My "shoot the devil" comment was sarcasm, as I hope was indicated by the smilies.
One million $$$ may be excessive, but bail should HURT. Just not be IMPOSSIBLE.
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Given the seriousness of the charges, I think the magistrate in question should re-examine the bail issue...
And order them remanded without bail.
Problem solved.
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I would think that in the case of folks organizing protests, or folks like the shooter in Portland where they are in for the third time on the same charge while waiting on the first court date, or arsonists out west the answer is to remand without bail.
You don't HAVE to give someone bail, but if you do, it can't be excessive. Give them the speedy trial they are entitled to and move on.
IANAL, so maybe there is some court precedent that I am unaware of that limits the ability of a judge to hold a person without bail, but if there is, that's the issue, and backdoor remanding by bails they can't pay is not the answer.
Cordex's point is valid as far as it goes, but I'm not sure how much hand waving "someone rich will help them" we want to use to justify bails. Rich sponsors are always an issue in revelations.
Some comparison bails I could look up real quick:
MLK Jr., Birmingham, 1967 $5000 ($38,909.88 in 2020 dollars) [I'm sure this is how they see themselves.]
OJ Simpson, LA, 1994 $10,000,000 ($17,538,326.59 in 2020)
George Zimmerman, Orlando, 2012 $150,000 then $1,000,000 (second bail amount was after it was discovered that he had failed to disclose $150,000 in donations* in the first hearing) ($169,811.49-$1,132,076.62 in 2020 dollars)
So what's "excessive"?
*There's Cordex's answer. If there's an active GoFundMe with a quarter mil in it, the judge may be spot on.
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[Devil's Advocate]
Then what would you consider to be "excessive bail" then? At least one of those charged is a 20 year old student at a public university. She doesn't have $1 million dollars. Odds are she doesn't even have the 10% that is normally a bail bondman's cut. The judge effectively remanded them without bail.
If that was the judges intention due to the seriousness of the felony, then the judge should have just done that.
Bail is supposed to be set low enough you can actually pay it, but high enough that you are unlikely to write it off and run. The idea is the accused can leave jail to live and work until they are found guilty or not. Setting bail at more then the accused is likely to make in the next decade combined seems pretty unreasonable.
[/Devil's Advocate]
Not even Devil's Advocate; you articulated the core ethics and spirit of bail in a liberty based justice system as they should be.
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*There's Cordex's answer. If there's an active GoFundMe with a quarter mil in it, the judge may be spot on.
Back in June it was reported that Minnesota Freedom Fund received $20 million in donations to help pay protester's bail, to the point that they had to tell people to stop donating and pointed donations elsewhere. There are plenty of other national and local funds set up to do the same sort of thing.
These kinds of funds would not be raised specifically for a given person as was the case for Zimmerman, which may cloud the issue.
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The bail should be high enough they don't try to miss their court date. But it shouldn't be designed to tie up all the money someone has. I didn't understand the Zimmerman donation part.
An example of absurdly high bail for no reason was after the Twin Peaks biker shooting in Waco, TX a few years ago. The cops arrested nearly 200 people and the judge slapped $1,000,000 bail amounts on almost all of them. Most of the people arrested were not involved in the shooting. A number of people were stuck in jail over a year or two because they couldn't afford to pay a bail bond. (they never did convict anyone over the incident) I think lawsuits are pending on that one.
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Antifa terrorizes a dog while attacking a BLM person they mistakenly took for a "nazi".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/19/watch-antifa-thugs-mistakenly-trash-the-car-of-alleged-nazi-scum-in-philadelphia/
Once they start attacking dogs, that's it. Kill them until they are all dead. Bob Lee Swagger style.
https://youtu.be/EDzikoi23mQ?t=28
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Antifa going after dogs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4_kV5ITmAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4_kV5ITmAI)
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Generally, I really don't carry a gun to protect myself.
I carry a gun to protect Seren, either from another dog, or from a human who may try to either harm or take her. It's happened in this year before -- people rolling up to people walking Fido and stealing the dog.
Not happening.
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We all know that with leaders and politicians that have the political will there would be no continuing riots.
Shutting down riots is not an obscure science. Governments across the world shut them down using non-violent means every single day.
This is on the Democrats 100% as they have demonstrated they want the violence, looting and chaos.
I pray the left leaning middle of the road voters punish the hard core leftists for their antics, either by voting for Trump or sitting this one out.
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We all know that with leaders and politicians that have the political will there would be no continuing riots.
Shutting down riots is not an obscure science. Governments across the world shut them down using non-violent means every single day.
This is on the Democrats 100% as they have demonstrated they want the violence, looting and chaos.
I pray the left leaning middle of the road voters punish the hard core leftists for their antics, either by voting for Trump or sitting this one out.
I think I have posted previously about the yard signs displayed in front of a house I drive past every week on my way to the town transfer station. They are obviously hard-core leftists, and the content of the signs (which are hand-scrawled and change week-to-week) clearly demonstrates that they blame Trump for the riots peaceful protests(tm).
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. . . Once they start attacking dogs, that's it. Kill them until they are all dead. Bob Lee Swagger style.
Paging John Wick . . . Paging John Wick . . .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGpZ9xaQLYQ
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https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-show-up-for-non-existent-proud-boys-rally-in-philadelphia-attack-media-instead/
Antifa show up for non-existent 'Proud Boys' rally in Philadelphia—attack media instead
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-identifies-new-york-city-portland-and-seattle-jurisdictions-permitting
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https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-show-up-for-non-existent-proud-boys-rally-in-philadelphia-attack-media-instead/
Peacefully, of course.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-show-up-for-non-existent-proud-boys-rally-in-philadelphia-attack-media-instead/
A few years back when I lived just outside the CHAZ in Seattle there was suppose to be a confrontation between these two factions a block from my apartments. The supremacists were a no show so the antifas when ahead and broke windows and vandalized/looted. Peacefully of course...
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"Please stop endangering protestors". That was told to a student journalist who filmed a Seattle rioter smacking a cop in the head with a baseball bat.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/24/watch-mostly-peaceful-protester-caught-on-video-hitting-a-seattle-police-officer-in-the-head-with-a-bat-a/
Tangent: That's (at least based on the clip) some bad situational awareness by the cops. It appears they left the guy in the back on his own. Also, cops on bicycles is stupid. Might as well be on a Segway or a skateboard.
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One of the videos I saw showed 20 or 30 bicycle cops following a protest to keep them moving down a street and moving ahead to block intersections. I can see the value of it as long as they stay in groups and wear protective gear.
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If only it became true ...
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/lefties_at_emthe_nationem_discover_that_nonfbi_feds_have_been_tracing_the_puppet_masters_behind_antifa_and_blm.html?fbclid=IwAR3g9MxSs9xcXNp3lZ2CH_OQm9BxdGriEkjIIAm7PuIzyRghcDt2OzKppS4
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If only it became true ...
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/lefties_at_emthe_nationem_discover_that_nonfbi_feds_have_been_tracing_the_puppet_masters_behind_antifa_and_blm.html?fbclid=IwAR3g9MxSs9xcXNp3lZ2CH_OQm9BxdGriEkjIIAm7PuIzyRghcDt2OzKppS4
I expect this, if true, to provide the same results as US Attorney John Durham's investigation. Don't hold your breath.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1308573572646891520
Hopefully they are trolling again, and the police have a successful round up.
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I guess the good part about antifa being nothing but an idea is that there is no law against running over ideas with your vehicle. =D
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/03/motorcycle-cop-squashes-protester-in-portland-after-the-car-hed-stopped-tried-to-flee/
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Holy crap, just heard a Anitifa candidate is ahead in the polls for mayor for Portland.
Wheeler is a POS but Antifa?
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Holy crap, just heard a Anitifa candidate is ahead in the polls for mayor for Portland.
Wheeler is a POS but Antifa?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
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Holy crap, just heard a Anitifa candidate is ahead in the polls for mayor for Portland.
Wheeler is a POS but Antifa?
Who run Bartertown?
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Who run Bartertown?
Pig *expletive deleted*it
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Holy crap, just heard a Anitifa candidate is ahead in the polls for mayor for Portland.
Wheeler is a POS but Antifa?
How many people would tell a random pollster that they don't support antifa who has criminal mobs running around the city?
Of course, many of these people elected the idiots running the city now.
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The antifa candidate is the only one running against Wheeler if I am not mistaken. No one from the other side of the political spectrum put their hat in the ring.
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Antifa the idea:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1313259774239268869
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Lately I've wondered what might happen if a clever leftist mayor could co-opt antifa instead of trying to appease them. With a cooperative city council, they could de-fund or even disband the police and use antifa as defacto law enforcement in their city.
The about-to-be-elected new mayor of Portland is a strong supporter and self-avowed member of antifa. We might soon see this scenario play out.
If she attempts to take it to the logical extreme, and if she can get the rest of the city council on board, Portland might become the first openly declared large socialist city in the country.
Could be some interesting times coming for the Rose City.
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To the surprise of absolutely no one:
https://thepostmillennial.com/portland-d-a-rejects-over-540-riot-related-cases-in-interest-of-justice
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To the surprise of absolutely no one:
https://thepostmillennial.com/portland-d-a-rejects-over-540-riot-related-cases-in-interest-of-justice
(https://memeguy.com/photos/images/regarding-national-justice-for-trayvon-martin-day-25961.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0
Portland Cop Speaks Out on BLM/Antifa Racism
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Say hello to the next mayor of Portland.
Note the skirt
(https://external-preview.redd.it/EL6Npn56QF1dR6vQ2eR6BWOtuaxr0nHDsRguVf-EnRk.jpg?auto=webp&s=cab8fbd43a0842b2bddca0b31d4d6a26bad8a0be)
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Portland is F'ed tonight
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Those darn Trump supporting white supremacists. Why don't they go around and plant peace flowers just like Antifa
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler concerned about violence from white supremacist groups after the election
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/02/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-concerned-about-violence-from-white-supremacist-groups-after-the-election/
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OR gov has called up the National Guard
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OR gov has called up the National Guard
Not social workers?
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I really, really, really hope Proud Boys and those guys and Trump supporters in general all just don't go anywhere near Portland. The antifa mob is gonna torch the place tomorrow and these other groups should go nowhere near it, or they'll be fingered for everything that happens.
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I really, really, really hope Proud Boys and those guys and Trump supporters in general all just don't go anywhere near Portland. The antifa mob is gonna torch the place tomorrow and these other groups should go nowhere near it, or they'll be fingered for everything that happens.
The blame Trump and his extreme far right supporters and only Trump and his extreme far right wing supporters speech has already been written
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I am certainly glad that I am no longer working in downtown Seattle.
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Fashion militia. I notice she's holding the shotgun safely if not effectively. I'm wondering if some of them are getting training and who is training them. I probably don't have the experience to comment, but I'm not sure that any of the three instructors I have had in the past would accept anyone overtly antifa as a student. Of course any antifa getting trained might show up disguised as normal people.
(https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2020/11/05/Portland-riot-3-1200x919.jpg)
So now the Mayor calls in the National Guard? I guess he needed to wait till he was reelected?
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1326348022851121152
Purports to be every Antifa member in Portland, identified.
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1326348022851121152
Purports to be every Antifa member in Portland, identified.
I find it fascinating that a "movement" which has no organization nonetheless seems to have officers:
Cozca Ītzpāpālōtl
@cozca503
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Replying to
@Oto666Yamaguchi
*expletive deleted*it it is sooooo accurate they have all the antifa lieutenants and antifa captains. #LockTheUp
Smiling face with open mouth and tightly-closed eyes
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1326348022851121152
Purports to be every Antifa member in Portland, identified.
this tweet is unavailable
this tweet is from a suspended account
I wonder how many Twitter employees were on there.
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For some strange reason, insurers no longer want to cover businesses in Portland
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/13/for-some-strange-reason-insurers-no-longer-want-to-cover-businesses-in-portland/
Gee, I wonder why?. Must be because of those bad Trump supporters.
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And BTW: Failed to noticed Ted Wheeler actually won reelection
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Regarding this recent "Portland Red House" nonsense where the usual suspects violently showed up in the name of racism justice, I saw this very informative article on the "indigenous and black" family in question. Remove "indigenous and black", and what's underneath is a grifter family. The house was paid off decades ago. Loans were then taken out for bail and lawyers for a criminal son (who is now the one spearheading lawsuits and protests against the racist man).
This is nothing but a family who has made both poor decisions and criminal decisions. They were never confused about who to send their loan payments to - they just used that as an excuse to get out of paying altogether. The state gave them multiple options for loan mediation, which the family refused, and even the extremely liberal wack job 9th Circuit has denied their claims on multiple occasions.
Yet here we have antifa and BLM once again railing against systemic something or other. ;/
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/12/familys-path-to-red-house-foreclosure-was-long-filled-with-bizarre-twists.html
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Party like it's 2020
Riot declared: Protesters break windows, set fires in downtown Portland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j67Dn0vVYlM
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Maybe it'll be the new attraction for the city? If you want Blues music you go to Memphis, if you want Broadway shows you go to New York, and if you want to Riot you go to Portland.
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First day of 2021, and "planned riots". Cops retreating on all fronts. This is why these antifa jackasses become more and more emboldened. Because they've been pampered so long, only defensive violence will stop their behavior at this point.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/01/watch-portland-starts-off-2021-with-a-riot/
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Guess now the election is, basically, over ANIFA has worn out their usefulness.
Of course I'll believe it when I see it.
In his new year's presser, Portland Mayor @tedwheeler admits that his efforts to de-escalate & compromise with antifa have failed to yield results. He condemns the violent extremist movement by name & calls for more to be done. https://t.co/1MJhHOxO1u pic.twitter.com/HtsSSM3dzz
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) January 2, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/02/shocker-portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-says-efforts-to-appease-antifa-have-failed-and-its-time-to-get-tougher/
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Time for Wheeler to double-down on the appeasement of Antifa.
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Antifa/BLM have moved further out from Portland. They staged a riot in downtown Tigard Friday night. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/08/nolte-left-wing-antifa-terrorists-move-portland-suburb-attack-police-station/) Tigard is where my father lives and my youngest son works, so this has me a bit worried.
Only one rioter was arrested. He was charged with felony riot and was, of course, quickly released without bail.
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Feds and "chemical warfare" okie doke again in Portland.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/01/21/literally-shaking-redsteeze-uses-new-footage-of-feds-shooting-tear-gas-at-portland-protesters-in-brutal-dig-at-biden-and-the-media/
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First day of 2021, and "planned riots". Cops retreating on all fronts. This is why these antifa jackasses become more and more emboldened. Because they've been pampered so long, only defensive violence will stop their behavior at this point.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/01/watch-portland-starts-off-2021-with-a-riot/
Nope, because to those in charge of this mess, the useful idiots are merely pawns. And who cares if you lose a pawn or two in a game of chess?
And if someone does return like for like against antifa, then they are arrested, jailed, and their lives ruined.
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Who is John Gault?
No idea. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt)
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Does he have a long mustache?
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So yeah, the National Guard are in DC because of the "insurrectionists".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/11/beautiful-portland-far-left-extremists-are-back-at-the-federal-courthouse-security-guard-pulls-a-gun-on-protesters-at-bank/
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Setting fire to a building with people inside seems worse than sitting in Nancy Pelosi's office. The FBI needs to confiscate the smart phones of everyone within a square mile of this incident and have the telecoms provide records. Then they need to arrest everyone, hold them without bail, and extend their court dates until next year.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/13/protesters-set-fire-to-the-federal-courthouse-in-portland-with-people-inside-but-it-was-after-business-hours/
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Setting fire to a building with people inside seems worse than sitting in Nancy Pelosi's office. The FBI needs to confiscate the smart phones of everyone within a square mile of this incident and have the telecoms provide records. Then they need to arrest everyone, hold them without bail, and extend their court dates until next year.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/13/protesters-set-fire-to-the-federal-courthouse-in-portland-with-people-inside-but-it-was-after-business-hours/
You are still talking like they haven't chosen a side.
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I guess I'm a terrible person, but I find this kinda hilarious.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/17/apple-store-in-portland-that-turned-itself-into-a-blm-memorial-was-set-on-fire-last-night/
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I guess I'm a terrible person, but I find this kinda hilarious.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/17/apple-store-in-portland-that-turned-itself-into-a-blm-memorial-was-set-on-fire-last-night/
*snicker - snicker* :rofl:
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Which begs the question. What does he have to do to break the cycle?
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Which begs the question. What does he have to do to break the cycle?
End the mask psychosis.
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Which begs the question. What does he have to do to break the cycle?
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Which
Begs - To ask for something in an urgent or humble manner
The
Question - A sentence, phrase, or gesture that seeks information through a reply
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I don't like the way that is stated. My first thought was it was wrong, but I realized after I started putting my own definition into words, it isn't wrong, but IMO not well stated.
Sounds like you think he should have said "Which leads to the question: What does he have to do to break the cycle? "
Grammar/Diction Nazi? :lol:
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The usage was fine as far as I can tell.
It just isn't an example of the logical fallacy known by the same phraseology.
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Attempting to correct my grammar is going to be a full time job
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Attempting to correct my grammar is going to be a full time job
It wasn't an attempt. It's not a matter of grammar. I do the "work" on a part-time volunteer basis, as I see fit as my OCD compels me. :P
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I don't know how this started but it seems remarkable to me that nobody got shot in this scenario:
The headline on this tweet is "Heavily armed anarchist militia in Portland stop traffic, assault driver at gunpoint while he attempts to defend himself." I've seen the same video clip with differing headlines.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1390478047271395330?s=20 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1390478047271395330?s=20)
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Hard for the driver to claim defense when they cleared the space in front of his truck, and screamed "Leave!" several times and he'd didn't, you know, leave.
Not trying to defend the blocking of roads as legitimate, but if you want to claim defense it's better to not have a video of the aggressors giving you the option to retreat.
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Shouldn't have gotten out of the truck
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More Portland:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/08/im-done-im-done-working-in-portland-man-beaten-hospitalized-after-driving-through-protest-graphic-video/
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Michael Bane posted this about it
MUST READ! THE NEW SELF-DEFENSE LANDSCAPE!
Here is the latest proof of what I've been writing and talking about. It's a scenario were modeled several times on THE BEST DEFENSE. What you're looking at is a classic Third World kidnapping/robbery/murder set-up ported over by the gew generation of politically sanctioned terrorists.
Let's look at how it works:
1. Suspect, unaware of the developing situation, drives into the Kill Zone and is forced to slow down or stop. In the Third World that trap might be road work, a false police stop or a "spontaneous" demonstration. Here the terrorists use a small demonstration that has moved from sidewalks into the streets to trap the prey.
2. "Blocker" cars immedially move in front of and behind the prey's car, preventing either escape or crashing through the trap. In the Third World typically the blocks will get as close to the prey's vehicle as possible to stop that vehicle from building up momentum to crash its way out of the trap.
3. Simultaneous with the blockers moving, armed terrorists move to confront the driver and/or passengers. In the Third World, if it's a hit, one of the armed terrorist, or more likely, a "designated shooter" with a separate exit vehicle, say, a motorcycle, will handle the killing.
4. If it's a shakedown or a kidnapping, it's still important to get the driver out of the car. In either case, the driver can be dealt with while the other members of the team either snatch the subject or loot the car.
5. What we have here is a variation on the shakedown theme. Yes, the car was robbed (of 2 guns), but the primary motivation was what we might call an "instructional beatdown." I have direct knowledge of one shakedown set-up during earlier antifa/blm riots, using stolen police roadblocks and blocker cars to rob people coming through the neighborhood.
I don't think this was an intended robbery. I think this was a TEST RUN (one of several in the last 3 or 4 weeks) to test police and public reaction to heavily armed demonstrators and, maybe more important, to gauge police/public reaction to the demonstrators pointing those guns at innocents.
I think they got the reactions they were hoping for. When the police interogated the VICTIM, they wanted to know what the VICTIM did to antagonize the "demonstrators."
One quick take-away (and I'll be dealing with this in a podcast probably week after next), I think it's important to assume that antifa/blm "demonstrators" WILL BE ARMED, or have ARMED AND TRAINED auxiliaries waiting in the wings.
Secondly, go back and read my piece on politically sanctioned violence (https://www.michaelbane.tv/the-very-real-danger-of-politically-sanctioned-violence/49985/). And think about this...in your self-defense training, how was an armed assailant presented to you? Is an armed assailant not the very definition od "lethal threat?"
And BTW, take all the stickers off your car or truck!!! We are well past the need and/or the advisability to signal tribal affiliation!
"The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize."
-- Vladimir Lenin
NUT GRAF: "As PJ Media reported there is video of Hall getting the stuffing beaten out of him by BLM and antifa “security” thugs who boxed in his vehicle and then surrounded him with their AR15s and AK-style weapons at him. His wasn’t the only car stopped by the militants at gunpoint. See the other video of the incident below."
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Sooner or later, someone is going to actively resist.
The media will LOVE that.
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More Portland:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/08/im-done-im-done-working-in-portland-man-beaten-hospitalized-after-driving-through-protest-graphic-video/
From the videos and from my armchair, the guy made several mistakes after he turned onto the street (which was not a tactical mistake, it was a "could happen to anybody"* mistake) including drawing whatever that "weapon" that was not a gun was. I'm not sure what the best move would be though, given what would happen to anyone that would actually defend themselves, whether from getting the Reginald Denny treatment from the mob, or being railroaded by the Portland "justice system" for defending themselves.
*This goes back to what I've been saying since this all started. Sure, the prudent individual will try to avoid areas like this and not get into the situation in the first place. This though, is a prime example of how that's not always possible. This guy made a wrong turn, partially because his normal route was blocked. Any visitor to Portland not familiar with it could make the same mistake. It would not even be a big deal if the road blockers would let someone innocent go, but here, anyone in their domain is the enemy, and you can see the abuse laid on him in the videos. These people are psychopaths, supported by law enforcement (perhaps not street cops, but their bosses). There is no way to stop it anymore, except for a violent response by LE, or violent defense by innocent potential victims. Neither will be accepted by progressive politicians, the MSM, or big tech.
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So... Do you think that 1/8" tubing is thick enough for a front grille/bumper guard?
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Michael Bane posted this about it
MUST READ! THE NEW SELF-DEFENSE LANDSCAPE!
Got a link for this?
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So... Do you think that 1/8" tubing is thick enough for a front grille/bumper guard?
I think every video I've seen with someone driving through a crowd ends with the police going to find them. A grill guard is likely to make it worse when the cops show up at your house.
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You're assuming that the cops would show up at my house. Around here, the cops don't roll for anything but "in progress." And then they take their time. Because the woke folks pounded into their pointy little heads that they were NOT welcome in our neighborhoods, and if they EVER had to resort to use of force they would be destroyed.
We're #1! 263 murders in the core city of 319,000. Kids steal cars, or carjack the newer ones, to play GTA:STL on our streets. When it breaks, they steal another one.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/government-politics-issues/2018-08-28/run-and-gun-north-broadway-becomes-the-prime-location-for-armed-cruising
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$20 bucks says they'd roll for the "old white racist ran over POC freedom fighters and allies in pedo van with brush guard" call.
You're low risk for the kind of thing the woke folks beat them up over. They'd take two or three days, have a couple press conferences while they "review the footage", and swing by in the evening. Or leak your name as a person of interest and wait till you call them to save you from the crowd out front.
Time to adjust to the new use of force paradigm. "Woke" PD's or MORE likely to come for you instead of your neighbors.
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Got a link for this?
It’s on his Facebook page
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$20 bucks says they'd roll for the "old white racist ran over POC freedom fighters and allies in pedo van with brush guard" call.
Heh - a little while back, when the wokesters were still ramping up, a guy a few blocks from me had two youts try to carjack him out of his garage. He got both.
Grand jury no-billed inside of that afternoon.
The city administration and the police are NOT on the same page. Not even the chief.
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Note the underlined. Bet I know which way they are encouraging people to vote
Federal prosecutors in Portland, Ore., have moved to dismiss almost half the cases they charged in connection with violence accompanying last year’s protests over racial injustice, as authorities grapple with how to tamp down politically motivated unrest that has arisen since then.
Of 96 cases the U.S. attorney’s office in Portland filed last year charging protesters with federal crimes, including assaulting federal officers, civil disorder, and failing to obey, prosecutors have dropped 47 of them, government documents show. Ten people have pleaded guilty to related charges and two were ordered detained pending trial. None have gone to trial.
The penalties levied so far against any federal defendants, most of whom were arrested in clashes around federal buildings in Portland including the courthouse, have largely consisted of community service, such as working in a food bank or encouraging people to vote.
ICYMI: Charges for Hundreds of Rioters Have Been Dropped
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/05/09/icymi-charges-for-hundreds-of-rioters-have-been-dropped-n2589157
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Note the underlined. Bet I know which way they are encouraging people to vote
ICYMI: Charges for Hundreds of Rioters Have Been Dropped
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/05/09/icymi-charges-for-hundreds-of-rioters-have-been-dropped-n2589157
Compare and contrast to 06JAN. Then tell me why I should trust my current government.
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It looks to me like BLM/antifa are getting more organized and more heavily armed. I don't know if there are any groups with opposing viewpoints that are as organized. Except for the state-sanctioned police forces of course.
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It looks to me like BLM/antifa are getting more organized and more heavily armed. I don't know if there are any groups with opposing viewpoints that are as organized. Except for the state-sanctioned police forces of course.
The state-sanctioned police forces are not on the opposing side, at least not in the major cities. They're just standing aside and letting the mob do as they wish.
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Is anyone out there going to train up a right-wing militia to counter these modern brownshirts?
Or are they all afraid if being demonized by the media?
I have this nightmare scenario in my mind that a group of right-wing conservatives (NOT neo Nazi or skinhead/KKK types) form up and wind up being attacked by BLM/Antifa, respond and prevail over them, only to find that the government now wants to persecute (I use that word deliberatly) them ..... forcing them to either acquiesce to the ..... "law" .... or to begin to consider it's minions an enemy as well. :facepalm:
And .... I really don't know where it'll go from there except it won't be good .... :'(
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Is anyone out there going to train up a right-wing militia to counter these modern brownshirts?
Or are they all afraid if being demonized by the media?
I have this nightmare scenario in my mind that a group of right-wing conservatives (NOT neo Nazi or skinhead/KKK types) form up and wind up being attacked by BLM/Antifa, respond and prevail over them, only to find that the government now wants to persecute (I use that word deliberatly) them ..... forcing them to either acquiesce to the ..... "law" .... or to begin to consider it's minions an enemy as well. :facepalm:
And .... I really don't know where it'll go from there except it won't be good .... :'(
Ask the proud boys about that.
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Ask the proud boys about that.
Small potatoes ....
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The state-sanctioned police forces are not on the opposing side, at least not in the major cities. They're just standing aside and letting the mob do as they wish.
Is anyone out there going to train up a right-wing militia to counter these modern brownshirts?
Or are they all afraid if being demonized by the media?
I have this nightmare scenario in my mind that a group of right-wing conservatives (NOT neo Nazi or skinhead/KKK types) form up and wind up being attacked by BLM/Antifa, respond and prevail over them, only to find that the government now wants to persecute (I use that word deliberatly) them ..... forcing them to either acquiesce to the ..... "law" .... or to begin to consider it's minions an enemy as well. :facepalm:
And .... I really don't know where it'll go from there except it won't be good .... :'(
These are my sentiments also.
I don't like the way the .fed is running things and I suspect any major change is going to require revolution rather than reform. I don't want blm/antifa leading that revolution though . . .
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These are my sentiments also.
I don't like the way the .fed is running things and I suspect any major change is going to require revolution rather than reform. I don't want blm/antifa leading that revolution though . . .
Amen to that !! [ar15]
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These are my sentiments also.
I don't like the way the .fed is running things and I suspect any major change is going to require revolution rather than reform. I don't want blm/antifa leading that revolution though . . .
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Just another Tuesday in Portland:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-declare-riot-on-george-floyd-death-anniversary-as-fires-set-windows-smashed-arrests-reported
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A dumpster fire. The perfect metaphor.
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Antifa rioters mistake generic Asian guy for Andy Ngo and chase and beat him. I thought the MSM was all about covering "Asian hate crimes"?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/05/31/denver-nuggets-peaceful-portland-hotel-stay-disrupted-when-antifa-activists-showed-up-to-keep-pummeling-man-they-believed-was-andy-ngo/
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I have this nightmare scenario in my mind that a group of right-wing conservatives (NOT neo Nazi or skinhead/KKK types) form up and wind up being attacked by BLM/Antifa, respond and prevail over them, only to find that the government now wants to persecute (I use that word deliberatly) them ..... forcing them to either acquiesce to the ..... "law" .... or to begin to consider it's minions an enemy as well. :facepalm:
Remember Kyle Ritterhouse? That is exactly what happened to him.
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Remember Kyle Ritterhouse? That is exactly what happened to him.
Yeeeup. I was contemplating something on a larger scale, but Rittenhouse is a good example.
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Portland PD's rapid response team resigns:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-riot-team-resigns-officer-indicted-assault
All 50 of Portland police’s highly trained rapid response unit voted unanimously to resign on Wednesday during a union meeting in response to the recent indictment of Officer Corey Budworth for allegedly assaulting a photographer with his baton during as an overnight riot broke out last August.
"Unfortunately, this decorated public servant has been caught in the crossfire of agenda-driven city leaders and a politicized criminal justice system," the Portland Police Association said in an initial statement Tuesday after a Multnomah County grand jury indicted Budworth on one count of fourth-degree assault related to an incident that occurred on Aug. 18, 2020.
That night, according to the police union, a group of about 200 demonstrators – many equipped with tactical helmets, faces covered, and armed with a variety of weapons – descended on the Multnomah Building in southeast Portland. Multiple dumpsters were set on fire, buildings were defaced, and windows were broken. A riot soon was declared at the planned event after someone from the crowd launched a Molotov cocktail into the Multnomah Building, setting it ablaze.
Let the shitshow commence.
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Should be a hot night in the summer tonight.
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This summer
could will be "interesting".
I was going to say "in Portland", but on second thought I doubt it'll be limited to that one town.
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May you live in interesting times
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I'll just leave this here:
https://www.kxl.com/sources-entire-portland-police-rapid-response-team-resigns/
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More hardships for the Portland police
Of course she's making it a race issue despite the fact they later arrested someone who according to the video below could have been mistaken for Hardesty.
Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty has filed a $5 million lawsuit against the Portland Police Association, the former head of the police union, and an officer after she was falsely implicated in a hit-and-run crash earlier this year.
KATU News receive a copy of the lawsuit, which was filed Monday, from Hardesty's attorneys. As first reported by our news partners at Willamette Week, the suit is seeking $3 million from the police union and $1 million each from former PPA president Brian Hunzeker and officer Kerri Ottoman.
According to the lawsuit, the incident started March 3 when a Bureau of Emergency Communications employee circulated unconfirmed reports that implicated Hardesty in a hit-and-run crash.
“The reported damage to the vehicle was a one-centimeter circle on the white woman’s bumper possibly caused by the license plate screw from the offending driver’s license plates," the lawsuit states. “The white woman identified the car as being a tan Toyota Corolla and ‘swore on her life’ that it was Commissioner Hardesty who had committed the crime.”
Commissioner Hardesty’s lawsuit alleges that PPB employees and PPA members wrongfully leaked false information to right wing media sources and the Oregonian accusing her of engaging in criminal “hit and run” on March 3, 2021. This was done in violation of city policy and state law and with reckless disregard for the truth. Commissioner Hardesty alleges that the leaked false information was racially motived and designed to punish her for her longstanding and public opposition to race discrimination by the Portland Police against communities of color.
Hardesty files $5 mil. lawsuit against Portland police union over false hit-and-run leak
https://katu.com/news/local/hardesty-files-5-mil-lawsuit-against-portland-police-union-over-false-hit-and-run-leak
BREAKING Portland Commissioner Sues Police Association, Officers, and City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzYSc3FCHak
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Compare and contrast to what is happening to 06JAN protestors:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-antifa-rioter-charged-assaulting-police-case-dismissed-30-hours-community-service
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Compare and contrast to what is happening to 06JAN protestors:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-antifa-rioter-charged-assaulting-police-case-dismissed-30-hours-community-service
It's been an interesting case study.
Axiom: The current government is happy to take political prisoners of conservative protesters.
I think that statement is defensible with current evidence. That is deeply concerning.
Should the conservative right ever attempt any serious action - not even revolution, but simply reform to enforce existing constitutional principals - I believe even people unwilling to be involved will be forced to pick a side. If 0.1% of conservatives made an efforts towards that, the 99.9% would have to either commit fully, or back-peddle as hard as possible hoping that their prior statements, purchases, and lifestyle choices won't target them as political prisoners. Some percentage wouldn't have a choice - damned if you do, damned if you don't. For them, the only choice is total commitment or expatriation as political refugees.
It's not inconceivable that all of us on this forum could, at some point, be labeled "domestic terrorists". And the forum itself an "extremest organization". That would have sounded highly implausible twenty years ago, but consider that the 06JAN folks have been held for a year. Their crime? Making statements and walking around at a place. =|
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It's not inconceivable that all of us on this forum could, at some point, be labeled "domestic terrorists". And the forum itself an "extremest organization". That would have sounded highly implausible twenty years ago, but consider that the 06JAN folks have been held for a year. Their crime? Making statements and walking around at a place. =|
Before someone jumps in with it, yes, there were some knuckleheads that destroyed property at the Capitol, and they should face some punishment, but not decades in jail when this person, who tried to blind people - BLIND people - walks with community service. While 06JAN people who did indeed do nothing more than just walk around are sitting in jail uncharged, charged with felonies, or fined exorbitant amounts.
Not to mention the MSM and big tech involvement that helped to hide the identities of antifa protestors while calling on friends and family to hunt down and turn in 06JAN protestors.
As to being marked as domestic terrorists, I would submit that aforementioned MSM, big tech, and a large group of politicians have already marked people like us as domestic terrorists. If Southern Poverty Law Center or similar were to ever accidently stumble into APS, we would be on the lists they distribute.
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Oh, and might should be in the DC thread, but related to what I wrote above, CNN is having an 06JAN extravaganza special. I notice the "special guests" are all dems (I count Liz Cheney as a dem).
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/30/merry-insurrectmas-cnn-is-pleased-to-announce-their-upcoming-january-6-commemorative-event-featuring-some-very-special-guests/
It's like a party for these people.
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Oh, and might should be in the DC thread, but related to what I wrote above, CNN is having an 06JAN extravaganza special. I notice the "special guests" are all dems (I count Liz Cheney as a dem).
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/30/merry-insurrectmas-cnn-is-pleased-to-announce-their-upcoming-january-6-commemorative-event-featuring-some-very-special-guests/
It's like a party for these people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
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Epic troll :rofl:
“Antifa” member crashes Portland City Council Meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e25KEijR53M
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https://thepostmillennial.com/1-dead-5-injured-after-mass-shooting-at-portland-antifa-gathering
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze6pjAOGP38
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https://thepostmillennial.com/1-dead-5-injured-after-mass-shooting-at-portland-antifa-gathering
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze6pjAOGP38
So, armed homeowner, probably defending him/herself against these clowns. He/she zips one, wounds 5 others, and their compatriots won't even think about cooperating with the police?
Sounds like a win/win to me.
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I kept seeing "gathering" used too much. Gives the impression they were meeting at someone's house when it was nothing of the kind. And the homeowner was black.
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So, armed homeowner, probably defending him/herself against these clowns. He/she zips one, wounds 5 others, and their compatriots won't even think about cooperating with the police?
Sounds like a win/win to me.
Came across a video last night where some guy was ranting on about the homeowner will no doubt get away with murder. Only saw maybe 30 seconds before I moved on but he was going on about people getting away with murder while a picture of Rittenhouse was on the screen.
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I didn't read thoroughly, but I'm guessing the homeowner's only option is to move someplace that doesn't coddle antifa. Otherwise, they'll be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
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And the homeowner was black.
Sooner or later ANTIFA and BLM will start going at each other ala Brownshirts vs SS
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Soon or later ANTIFA and BLM will start going at each other ala Brownshirts vs SS
In my opinion, both groups lack the organization and discipline to go very far with anything like that. It's also why they will ultimately disappear without achieving their goals - goals which are vague, unspecific and nonactionable anyway. They are essentially emotion-driven rioters who only exist at the behest of local governments who back them with their protection.
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In my opinion, both groups lack the organization and discipline to go very far with anything like that. It's also why they will ultimately disappear without achieving their goals - goals which are vague, unspecific and nonactionable anyway. They are essentially emotion-driven rioters who only exist at the behest of local governments who back them with their protection.
antifa are good at organization and due to lifestyle difficult to infiltrate - like an undercover would have to put up with scabies - have sex with people they wouldn't like to and have to catch herpes or worse to prove their loyalty to the cause - however the discipline part is where you are probably correct, they know how to pull a trigger and buy or acquire a gun - but they are not disciplined enough to be very good at it, however I'm sure there are some veterans in various antifa "affinity groups" which are what they call their cells
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So, from what I saw somewhere-the Portland homeowner who shot antifa is supposed to be a "furry"
I've met a few at Burningman, they're all Bernie voters.
Yet antifa claims the furry homeowner is a NAZI ...
DOES THIS MEAN HE IS IN THE FURRED REICH?
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So, from what I saw somewhere-the Portland homeowner who shot antifa is supposed to be a "furry"
I've met a few at Burningman, they're all Bernie voters.
Yet antifa claims the furry homeowner is a NAZI ...
DOES THIS MEAN HE IS IN THE FURRED REICH?
You rat *expletive deleted*ck bastard.
I got to that last line and spit coffee on my monitor.
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If you can figure out a way around the paywall, a WSJ article today about gun violence in Seattle: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?mod=itp_wsj&ru=yahoo
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If you can figure out a way around the paywall, a WSJ article today about gun violence in Seattle: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?mod=itp_wsj&ru=yahoo
NoScript takes care of the WSJ paywall.
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Antifa in Portland again. No cops showed up until it was all over.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-assaults-portland-gop-rallygoers-understaffed-police-struggle-respond
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If "they" wanted a violent, lethal response to unprovoked violent attacks by antifa attacks what do you reckon they'd do different?
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I really don’t understand how this is allowed. It’s pretty much the definition of fascism and domestic terrorism. Of course Portland and benefiting Dems so …
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf/view
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I really don’t understand how this is allowed. It’s pretty much the definition of fascism and domestic terrorism. Of course Portland and benefiting Dems so …
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf/view
The last time I checked, the party of fascist terrorism is in charge in Portland, and most other large cities, including DC.
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If "they" wanted a violent, lethal response to unprovoked violent attacks by antifa attacks what do you reckon they'd do different?
Only place I know of where that actually happened was Kenosha.
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Doomscrolling this morning I ran across these two tweets about recent "Street Takeovers" (riots) in Portland where ANTIFA was at least present if not leading the riot.
In the first the driver attempts to escape, and fails. At some point in the escape rioters open fire, hitting the driver and two rioters, one of which died. The video also shows the rioters approaching the wounded driver once either the van or he was disabled and stopped. No word on whether they called EMS, or the status of the driver. To me, this marks a noted escalation of the "street takeover" type riots. In the past drivers that tried to escape were chased a bit, but generally the rioters seemed to get tapped and then play victim. I guess this group at least wants to engage in combat. This warrants rethinking how one might react when caught in a traffic jam caused by rioting. Obviously avoidance is best, but if that fails, remember: Your vehicle is concealment, not cover.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1564564109428985857?s=20&t=oAxq-EHHCL_tlR7YeId8yw
The second is less concerning violence wise, I just thought I'd post the video because of it's resemblance to some kind of Mad Max scene. I guess PDX Antifa runs Bartertown now.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1564567852606177280?s=20&t=oAxq-EHHCL_tlR7YeId8yw
*It should be noted that Andy Ngo is a journalist for The Post Millennial that covers far left extremism, and has been attacked by these groups in the past. He is perhaps not the most unbiased observer of Antifa but has a solid track record for publicizing facts the extremists would prefer to remain on the down low.
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Gotta give Andy Ngo a lot of props. He as much as has a contract out on his life by the antifas, but continues to report from fascist events. I note that these anti-rascists have on more than one occasion beat up a random Asian man because they thought he was Andy Ngo.
Bartertown is right, and it's not just in Portland.
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If "they" wanted a violent, lethal response to unprovoked violent attacks by antifa attacks what do you reckon they'd do different?
Do their attacks in a solid red state instead of their home turf where self defense isn’t allowed.
Of course if they pulled that Portland *expletive deleted*it in a state like mine it would be much more hazardous to their life and freedom. They tend to pull that stuff in areas they know no charges will result.
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Do their attacks in a solid red state instead of their home turf where self defense isn’t allowed.
Of course if they pulled that Portland *expletive deleted*it in a state like mine it would be much more hazardous to their life and freedom. They tend to pull that stuff in areas they know no charges will result.
Bit of a tangent, but:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/29/militants-with-assault-weapons-stand-guard-outside-family-friendly-drag-show-in-texas/
Other than the distastefulness of guarding a groomer event, I guess our side can't say much about armed individuals outside the event, as we do it too (though without covering our faces). Though the sniper overwatch is interesting. I wonder about the legality of that in an urban area. One of the comments mentioned that you can't open carry while masked in Texas. Is that true?
I wonder how much training besides Call of Duty the armed antifa have? They look kinda easy to disarm.
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"Family friendly"
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Bit of a tangent, but:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/29/militants-with-assault-weapons-stand-guard-outside-family-friendly-drag-show-in-texas/
Other than the distastefulness of guarding a groomer event, I guess our side can't say much about armed individuals outside the event, as we do it too (though without covering our faces). Though the sniper overwatch is interesting. I wonder about the legality of that in an urban area. One of the comments mentioned that you can't open carry while masked in Texas. Is that true?
I wonder how much training besides Call of Duty the armed antifa have? They look kinda easy to disarm.
We can pretend to say armed for all or we can designate them as legitimate targets. They are protecting pedophiles and guarding degeneracy. The war is coming and I am not going to be on the side of the child molesters or pretend to care about their rights.
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We can pretend to say armed for all or we can designate them as legitimate targets.
Well, they can be both armed AND targets. =)
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He's doing this live
He's showing some of the stuff going on in Portland the MSM isn't showing
Are Street Takeovers a Growing New Trend?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvhDQa8HV0
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Walmart has had enough
All Portland Walmart stores to close in late March
https://www.kptv.com/2023/02/23/2-portland-walmart-stores-close-march/
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Unfortunately, this might be the only way to get the attention of the people making these policies; or the people voting for it. All the major business close down and move out since they can't afford to stay in business. A lot of small businesses are going to be hurt a lot more than Walmart, likely being hurt already.
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Walmart has had enough
All Portland Walmart stores to close in late March
https://www.kptv.com/2023/02/23/2-portland-walmart-stores-close-march/
Kind of a bummer but at least only 5-6 cashiers will be out of work total.
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Unfortunately, this might be the only way to get the attention of the people making these policies; or the people voting for it. All the major business close down and move out since they can't afford to stay in business. A lot of small businesses are going to be hurt a lot more than Walmart, likely being hurt already.
It's about time for some of the usual suspects to start making noises about forcing businesses to locate stores in their cities, or forcing them to keep existing stores open.
It's happened in other places over the years, but AFAIK these efforts have always failed due to being blatantly illegal.
But it doesn't stop them from trying.
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Nike
PORTLAND Ore. (KPTV) - Mayor Ted Wheeler is asking Nike to reconsider opening its neighborhood community store in Northeast Portland on a limited basis, after they shuttered the doors late last year.
While Nike never cited a specific reason for the closure, in a statement last month, they said their employees and customers deserved a safe and secure workplace.
Across the street, Comfort Auto & Body Repair owner, Daniel Leveque, said the store dealt with a lot of theft.
“There was a lot of interaction with theft. It started to become more of a daily basis and kind of got out of hand,” Leveque said.
In a letter sent last month, Nike asked the city if they could contract and fully pay for off-duty police officers to act as security to ensure the safety of their employees and customers, saying they needed a solution in place by May 1 this year.
Last week, Wheeler responded in a letter to Nike saying that’s not feasible. He said the bureau is currently understaffed and while they’ve hired new officers, the largest hurdle right now is the backlog of trainees going through the academy.
Maybe you shouldn't have let it get this far Mr. Mayor
https://www.kptv.com/2023/03/04/wheeler-denies-nikes-request-off-duty-officers-security-proposes-neighborhood-detail/?outputType=amp
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"Family friendly"
Charles Manson had a "family" . . .
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Cracker Barrel pulled out
Cracker Barrel permanently closes remaining Portland metro area restaurants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQvdGvh410
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Cracker Barrel pulled out
Cracker Barrel permanently closes remaining Portland metro area restaurants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQvdGvh410
Well, that's just a white-only restaurant so no harm no foul.
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Outdoor goods supplier REI CLOSES its downtown Portland store after being 'overwhelmed' by record-breaking thefts, including Thanksgiving raid - despite spending $800,000 on security last year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11985749/Outdoor-goods-supplier-REI-closes-Portland-store-overwhelmed-theft.html
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Dear God!
Last person to leave Portland, be sure to turn off the lights on the way out.
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Dear God!
Last person to leave Portland, be sure to turn off the lights on the way out.
What lights? They stole them too
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I wonder if there's been some kind of inflection point.
Crime and burglary has been building for years, but it seems like all of a sudden, this winter, a bunch of big businesses are bailing out of several large cities. cities that were previously progressive beacons. SF, Portland, Chicago....all going the way of an urban wasteland.
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Getting exactly what they voted for, good and hard.
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So, a huge number of stores are closing in Portland and other cities in areas that have been crushed by crime.
The same thing happened in many major cities after the 1968 riots and the crime flood of the 1970s.
Which lead to vast areas and populations of cities that were commerce wastelands.
Which led to a growing movement of people decrying the "corporate racism" of these companies refusing to serve these generally minority communities.
Which led to companies slowly moving back into these areas to serve those communities.
Now we're seeing corporate flight, again due largely to massive increases in crime making it virtually impossible for those stores to do business.
The rat wheel continues to turn.
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I wonder if there's been some kind of inflection point.
Crime and burglary has been building for years, but it seems like all of a sudden, this winter, a bunch of big businesses are bailing out of several large cities. cities that were previously progressive beacons. SF, Portland, Chicago....all going the way of an urban wasteland.
Yet the usual politicians, MSM talking heads, and interestingly, many internet forums, etc. have a ton of people saying that this is all fake news - from the stores closing, to the crime and riots. There are still likely more people than not (at least on the internet) talking about what a wonderful city Portland is and how people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
The fact the uber-liberal REI is calling it quits is pretty interesting.
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Yet the usual politicians, MSM talking heads, and interestingly, many internet forums, etc. have a ton of people saying that this is all fake news - from the stores closing, to the crime and riots.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fuu%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FG1Zyc4zSVgqdJ0WLFAcdwA--~B%2FaD00MDA7dz02MTg7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fthewrap.com%2Ffd2712737b70ca00a82241dcc84a0ca6&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=5b499ba7e7034374d4a83529f88221f6e5654061df1c0baac1053c4065ac247b&ipo=images)
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Yet the usual politicians, MSM talking heads, and interestingly, many internet forums, etc. have a ton of people saying that this is all fake news -
Mostly fake
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Yet the usual politicians, MSM talking heads, and interestingly, many internet forums, etc. have a ton of people saying that this is all fake news - from the stores closing, to the crime and riots.
These are the same people who said Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, the Steele dossier was credible, Covid absolutely, positively DID NOT come from a lab leak in Wuhan, and our southern border is secure.
I find that very reassuring. :rofl:
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No more Walmarts in Portland:
https://twitter.com/4mischief/status/1649991970125762562
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No more Walmarts in Portland:
https://twitter.com/4mischief/status/1649991970125762562
More room for the homeless and drug addicts
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I wonder how long before Target leaves as well.
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I wonder how long before Target leaves as well.
A target in San Fran
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1649501139292016640
WOW: @ClownWorld_ shares the absolute state of a Target store in San Francisco
https://twitchy.com/aaronw-313234/2023/04/24/wow-clownworld_-shares-the-absolute-state-of-a-target-store-in-san-francisco/
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A target in San Fran
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1649501139292016640
WOW: @ClownWorld_ shares the absolute state of a Target store in San Francisco
https://twitchy.com/aaronw-313234/2023/04/24/wow-clownworld_-shares-the-absolute-state-of-a-target-store-in-san-francisco/
I notice nobody seems to be shopping there . . .
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I notice nobody seems to be shopping there . . .
It would be a real PITA
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Meanwhile in Mexico:
https://twitter.com/4mischief/status/1651676951491276814
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Portland related since homeless camps are a huge problem in Portland
Oregon wants to give the homeless the right to sue if they're asked, sorry "harassed", to move from public property
Oregon House Bill 3501, known as the Right to Rest Act, states that homeless individuals will have "a privacy interest and a reasonable expectation of privacy in any property belonging to the person, regardless of whether the property is located in a public space."
The bill also allows homeless individuals to sue for up to $1,000 if they are "harassed" or told to relocate.
The bill says that "persons experiencing homelessness" will "be permitted to use public spaces in the same manner as any other person without discrimination based on their housing status" and states that homeless individuals have a right to "move freely in public spaces without discrimination and time limitations that are based on housing status."
Oregon Democrats propose 'Right to Rest Act' decriminalizing public camping as homeless crisis surges
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-democrats-propose-right-rest-act-decriminalizing-public-camping-homeless-crisis-surges
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Portland related since homeless camps are a huge problem in Portland
Oregon wants to give the homeless the right to sue if they're asked, sorry "harassed", to move from public property
Oregon Democrats propose 'Right to Rest Act' decriminalizing public camping as homeless crisis surges
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-democrats-propose-right-rest-act-decriminalizing-public-camping-homeless-crisis-surges
I'm shocked that Oregon thought of this *expletive deleted*it first, and not California.
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I'm shocked that Oregon thought of this *expletive deleted*it first, and not California.
Oregon and Washington have been making CA look like a deep red state of late. I don't think that there are any other states right now where urban control of the entire state is this bad.
It's really sad to see. I still remember how much I liked going to the WA coast for work 20 years ago. Liberal, yeah, but they were nice and not in your face about it.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/us/portland-oregon-fentanyl-homeless.html
You could substitute the word 'Seattle' for 'Portland' in this article and it would still be accurate.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/us/portland-oregon-fentanyl-homeless.html
You could substitute the word 'Seattle' for 'Portland' in this article and it would still be accurate.
=( Sad article. But, as you say, substituting Seattle, San Diego, SF, LA, St. Louis, etc. and it would essentially read the same.
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Hmm.
https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-homeless-crisis-multiple-explosive-devices-used-in-bombing-at-fentanyl-tent-encampment-harborview-medical-center-hospital-police-drug-trafficking-drugs-dealers-king-county-washington-state
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Hmm.
https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-homeless-crisis-multiple-explosive-devices-used-in-bombing-at-fentanyl-tent-encampment-harborview-medical-center-hospital-police-drug-trafficking-drugs-dealers-king-county-washington-state
I guess my "St Valentine's Day Massacre Theory" works, even today. Give them all guns and any other weapons and let them kill each other off. Then go after the one remaining kingpin for tax evasion.
Give Darwinian processes a free hand, I say.
Terry, 230RN
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Obviously Donald Trump and Kyle Rittenhouse have formed a far-right fascist militia and have declared war on mostly peaceful unhoused recreationalists.
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer. If anything, conservatives tend to oppose anything that could plausibly reduce the problem. If they have a solution, why don't conservatives pitch those solutions and thereby gain political power as a result? Is this another case of conservatives vaguely associating something bad with opposition without actually proposing any solution? Because that seems to be the real platform of the republican party nowadays.
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer. If anything, conservatives tend to oppose anything that could plausibly reduce the problem. If they have a solution, why don't conservatives pitch those solutions and thereby gain political power as a result? Is this another case of conservatives vaguely associating something bad with opposition without actually proposing any solution? Because that seems to be the real platform of the republican party nowadays.
I suspect it's more of a case of conservatives believing that homelessness is a consequence of decades of liberal policies. They don't view it as a novel problem that needs addressed, so the answer is more of "you shouldn't have done the things that got you here in the first place"
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer. If anything, conservatives tend to oppose anything that could plausibly reduce the problem. If they have a solution, why don't conservatives pitch those solutions and thereby gain political power as a result? Is this another case of conservatives vaguely associating something bad with opposition without actually proposing any solution? Because that seems to be the real platform of the republican party nowadays.
We need to take a hard look at inpatient mental healthcare in the US. Some middle ground between the "no rights, electroshock and lobotomies" of the 50's and "*expletive deleted*ck it we aren't doing it, crazy people are just homeless now" we currently have.
That would help out a lot of the homeless populations.
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer.
Forcible institutionalizing severely mentally ill is a common solution conservatives have suggested repeatedly for homelessness (including myself)... probably around 1/3 of homeless are crazy. If I remember correctly, courts declared this solution unconstitutional decades ago, leading to some of the problems we have today.
States are not allowed to force crazy people to live in mental institutions unless they are a "danger to themselves or others." So many of them alternate between living in the gutter and jail... and destroying the quality of life of the cities they live in.
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Interesting; I would have thought the libertarian strain of American conservativism would be against the government solution here. Government, institutionalizing people with public funds, is a conservative solution? Really just shows how politically confused I am.
I sort of agree with you that it would help though.
I could be wrong but I suspect an increasing fraction of the homeless population are not irredeemably mentally ill but responding to incentives in a system and to the point, a housing market that has no place for them. Perpetuating those deep structural problems seems to have bipartisan support.
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Interesting; I would have thought the libertarian strain of American conservativism would be against the government solution here.
Well, I'm not a libertarian but more of a traditional conservative. I actually line up best with the paleoconservatives, except I am mostly free-trade.
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer. If anything, conservatives tend to oppose anything that could plausibly reduce the problem.
Homelessness is a symptom that can be caused by a wide variety of situations. There is not a single cause nor is there a one-size-fits-all solution. Some people are temporarily homeless for a period of time for a variety of transient reasons - loss of a job/reduction in salary, loss of a lease, conflict with family, natural disaster or other damage/destruction to their home, etc. Some of these people would benefit from temporary assistance (either government-based or private charity) and others will move past their temporary homelessness on their own even without that assistance.
More than half of the chronically homeless are driven to homelessness by their addictions and the prioritization of feeding those addictions over shelter. For these people it is often not that there are no options available to them, it is that they choose not to utilize shelters or personal connections which place restrictions on drug use and aren't willing to seek treatment for their addictions (again, something that already tends to be freely available). Giving these people housing simply gives them a resource to be neglected and mined of scrap. They are unwilling to hold down a job beyond the amount of time it takes to raise money for more drugs. Giving direct subsidy simply funds their self-destructive habits. I'm not sure of an appropriate conservative response to people who have other options available but are unwilling to abandon their self-destructive lifestyle to take advantage of those options other than to respect that they have made their decision and arrest them where they violate the law.
Another significant cause of homelessness is severe mental illness. SAMHSA claims a full quarter of chronic homeless suffer from severe mental illness, and certainly a significant number have their situation worsened because of a less severe mental illness. I don't have a good answer to this either, other than likely having to reestablish forcible institutionalization for some of them.
If they have a solution, why don't conservatives pitch those solutions and thereby gain political power as a result?
With a few notable exceptions of strongly leftist cities who have gone out of their way to encourage homelessness through direct and indirect subsidies, I'm not sure homelessness is a big enough issue to make political hay on. In those cities where it is actually a huge issue, the voters absolutely aren't going to elect conservatives no matter how good their ideas relating to homelessness are.
Is this another case of conservatives vaguely associating something bad with opposition without actually proposing any solution? Because that seems to be the real platform of the republican party nowadays.
You do realize that the criticism you've leveled against conservatives and the republican party above also describes your post precisely, right?
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More than half of the chronically homeless are driven to homelessness by their addictions and the prioritization of feeding those addictions over shelter. For these people it is often not that there are no options available to them, it is that they choose not to utilize shelters or personal connections which place restrictions on drug use and aren't willing to seek treatment for their addictions (again, something that already tends to be freely available). Giving these people housing simply gives them a resource to be neglected and mined of scrap. They are unwilling to hold down a job beyond the amount of time it takes to raise money for more drugs. Giving direct subsidy simply funds their self-destructive habits.
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Another significant cause of homelessness is severe mental illness. SAMHSA claims a full quarter of chronic homeless suffer from severe mental illness, and certainly a significant number have their situation worsened because of a less severe mental illness.
This. So much this.
A local group found out the hard way about "compassion camps". Simple concept and done with the noblest of intents, but ultimately an abject failure for the reasons zahc mentioned. The group provided basic shelter (tents), simple meals, toiletries, and toilet facilities on a no-questions-asked basis. All residents had to do was behave themselves, maintain personal hygiene, and do a few things around camp to keep things tidy (mow, pick up trash, etc). The group provided help with social services, job hunting, and in-town transport for employment and critical needs. It was great for a about a month then devolved into a cesspool of drugs, prostitution, and rampant communicable diseases accompanied by a sudden surge in vandalism and petty theft in surrounding areas. More than once law enforcement found wanted persons hiding there under an assumed name. The camp is still there but it's a shadow of what was intended - mostly just a camping area with a fence to keep it out of sight of the road.
Brad
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It is my understanding that short term homeless... basically, people experiencing a lot of bad luck, like someone living in his car after losing his job... are not rare at all. These people can be helped a lot more effectively than the long term homeless.
The long term homeless are usually addicts, crazy people, and a certain percentage of incredibly lazy people (someone who would literally rather live on a sidewalk than work.. yes they exist).
The long term homeless are frequently destructive, with open drug use, defecation, violence, trashing up areas and so on. This becomes a big problem when cities tolerate illegal behavior by the homeless. Cities should have no tolerance for drug use, theft, violence, defecation, sidewalk camping and so on by homeless people. When you ignore their destructive behavior it gets worse.
Cities experiencing these horrible homeless problems are mainly those that tolerate crime committed by homeless people.
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Interesting; I would have thought the libertarian strain of American conservativism would be against the government solution here. Government, institutionalizing people with public funds, is a conservative solution? Really just shows how politically confused I am.
Just like every other political movement small "l" libertarianism has different strains and not all libertarians agree on everything. While I think that government does more harm than good when it expands, as a sane libertarian I concede that there are things in a functioning civilization and country that will require some form of government to run them. Armies, Borders, and Diplomacy with other countries are all easy things to say it's appropriate for a Federal Government to do.
Locally, (or state) there are some things that it makes sense to hand of to a gov as well, and I think caring humanely for the severely mentally ill that either don't have a family, or whose family can't care for them is a valid use for community funds and effort. The trick, as always, is doing it humanely and compassionately, while not allowing the program to creep into institutionalizing folks that can care for themselves but make choices the gov doesn't like.
As cordex mentioned there are homeless folks that have made the choice to act in a way that leads to their situation. We need to respect that choice, and only interfere when they transgress on either the laws or the rights of other people in the community. But there are also homeless folk that are genuinely sick through no choices of their own and will need the communities help to live out there lives in some semblance of safety and comfort, and also not be allowed to hurt others.
You can admit this and still be libertarian.
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"Are there no prisons? No workhouses? Let them go there."
We didn't HAVE these problems when we had the institutions to protect the majority from the minority that were causing the problems.
You may not like the institutions BUT they can house and monitor people that need medical help, either for mental problems or chemical abuse.
Then there are the prisons for the violent ones that either refuse help or can't be controlled.
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It's common to blame homelessness on "liberal" policies. Yet I never hear what solutions conservatives offer. If anything, conservatives tend to oppose anything that could plausibly reduce the problem. If they have a solution, why don't conservatives pitch those solutions and thereby gain political power as a result? Is this another case of conservatives vaguely associating something bad with opposition without actually proposing any solution? Because that seems to be the real platform of the republican party nowadays.
From my own point of view, a large part of this is resentment at the fact that we are institutionally encouraging homelessness by our "liberal" policies. I'm not 100% sure we should be encouraging the "global" set of behaviors which surrounds this group of people.
The "solution" you are looking for is clear.
Sounds hardnosed, but a lot of "liberals" seem to be unconscious of the cause-and-effect nature of "the dole." Helping the incapacitated and just plain unlucky is commendable --and even necessary -- but carrying that to extremes is counter-productive --which should have become obvious as hell by now by any measure of realistic thinking.
Terry, 230RN
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Paywall, but apparently Andy Ngo is suing Portland antifa members and the trial is ongoing. Limited information here, but it looks like antifa is trying to pack the court galleries to block others from entering, and there has already been an incident in the courtroom.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/08/02/report-andy-ngo-is-suing-portland-antifa-n2385937
From what I can see, this is nowhere in the MSM.
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Paywall, but apparently Andy Ngo is suing Portland antifa members and the trial is ongoing. Limited information here, but it looks like antifa is trying to pack the court galleries to block others from entering, and there has already been an incident in the courtroom.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/08/02/report-andy-ngo-is-suing-portland-antifa-n2385937
From what I can see, this is nowhere in the MSM.
That's because Antifa is just an idea.
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From my own point of view, a large part of this is resentment at the fact that we are institutionally encouraging homelessness by our "liberal" policies. I'm not 100% sure we should be encouraging the "global" set of behaviors which surrounds this group of people.
The "solution" you are looking for is clear.
Sounds hardnosed, but a lot of "liberals" seem to be unconscious of the cause-and-effect nature of "the dole." Helping the incapacitated and just plain unlucky is commendable --and even necessary -- but carrying that to extremes is counter-productive --which should have become obvious as hell by now by any measure of realistic thinking.
Terry, 230RN
It is also many liberals that love policies (environmental, housing "standards", and permitting) that make is harder to build and maintain housing, especially cheap housing. Rich liberals love to say "not in my backyard" over in California where there is limited land available to build anything. Then they make it harder on owners/landlords by preventing them from kicking out people who fail to pay rent. Zoning rules also make it hard to build new housing or convert existing buildings to housing. All of that increases the cost to building housing, rent housing, and maintain older housing. We have mentioned these things before. Some conservatives like to support that stuff also, but IMO it is rich/upper middle class liberals who push it the most.
Does this prevent homelessness? I think it helps by giving an avenue for someone who is homeless to get out of that situation on their own. It also gives an avenue for poor people to makes ends meet without giving up and living off hand outs and welfare.
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I forget whether it was said here or somewhere else, but I heard someone say recently that their are something like 50 or more different overlapping federal welfare programs of one kind or another. That may or may not include programs for the homeless. Then their are the state and private programs. We have mentioned the Homeless Industrial Complex before. There is a ton of money being dumped into programs meant to help people every year. More than likely most of the money is getting eaten up in the bureaucracy or big corporations who provide "services". Cutting that stuff and reducing the average tax burden would be a net positive IMO.
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Andy Ngo lost his case. Interesting that the opposing lawyer is on record as saying "I am antifa" and that she would remember the jurors' faces. This court case should have been held outside the Portland area.
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/09/andy-ngo-verdict-jury-nullification-or-jury-intimidation-n2386121
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How the hell did that not result if a mistrial?
How is that not jury intimidation?
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How the hell did that not result if a mistrial?
How is that not jury intimidation?
They know where the judge lives
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It is also many liberals that love policies (environmental, housing "standards", and permitting) that make is harder to build and maintain housing, especially cheap housing. Rich liberals love to say "not in my backyard" over in California where there is limited land available to build anything.
I don't think anyone that owns a single family dwelling wants to zone apartments near where they live. At least, I know Arfcom erupts in rage at the idea.
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I don't think anyone that owns a single family dwelling wants to zone apartments near where they live. At least, I know Arfcom erupts in rage at the idea.
Yeah, NIMBY is real for apartments, and for kind of understandable reasons. An empty field was converted into apartments 200 yards or so from my old house and crime spiked immediately and dramatically. In a normal market it would also have depressed the value of our house, but we didn't sell in a normal market.
Subdivisions are looked at the exact same way in the rural area I live in now, and for largely the same reasons.
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Remember Jo Ann "defund the police" Hardesty? Well she just got a big payout from the police over a lawsuit where she was seeking $5 mil
Portland police to pay nearly $700,000 to former official who pushed to defund department
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-pay-nearly-700000-former-official-pushed-defund-department
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More fun in Portland
Portland, Oregon, is grappling with a cluster of a highly infectious illness that spreads through fecal matter and puts the city’s large homeless population at high risk, according to health officials.
"While we are currently seeing an increase in Shigella cases in the Portland metro area, the risk to the broader public remains low at this time and there are no measures for most folks to take at this time. The best thing we can all do to prevent both respiratory viral illness and diarrheal illness is to keep practicing good hand hygiene," Multnomah County Deputy Health Officer Teresa Everson said in a comment to Fox News Digital.
Good luck with the hygiene part
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) describes Shigella as bacteria found in fecal matter that can infect someone if ingested. The illness can cause people to experience bloody and prolonged diarrhea, fever, stomach pain, and "feeling the need to pass stool (poop) even when the bowels are empty."
Considering many of these people poop in the street I can only imagine what it's like there [barf]
Portland health officials report waste-borne illness rampant among city's homeless
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-health-officials-report-waste-borne-illness-rampant-among-citys-homeless
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I don't think anyone that owns a single family dwelling wants to zone apartments near where they live. At least, I know Arfcom erupts in rage at the idea.
When they built the apartments down the street from my house, they permanently blocked off the streets between the apartments and the single-family homes. Course, it didn't keep this blackguard from moving in.
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Right up the street from me there's a nice condo complex.
Right across the street from that (and sharing a property line with my community) is a Title 13 co-operative complex.
There have been a few problems originating in the Title 13 complex over the years, but overall it's not been bad. They're pretty proactive about getting rid of troublemakers.
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A day late and a million dollars short.
Gee, maybe decriminalizing drugs like fentanyl wasn't such a great idea.
Oregon leaders have declared a 90-day state of emergency in Portland to battle the city's debilitating fentanyl crisis three years after decriminalizing possession of all drugs.
Governor Tina Kotek, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler and Multnomah County Chair Jessica Vega Pederson made the declaration and are directing their agencies to work with first responders in connecting people addicted to the synthetic opioid with resources including drug treatment programs and to crack down on drug sales.
Fentanyl addicts who interact with first responders in Portland's downtown in the next 90 days will be triaged by this new command center. Staff can connect people with various resources from a bed in a drug treatment center to meeting with a behavioral health clinician to help with registering for food stamps.
'Our country and our state have never seen a drug this deadly addictive, and all are grappling with how to respond,' Kotek said.
The declaration is a recommendation from a governor-established task force that met for several months last year to determine ways to rejuvenate downtown Portland.
Dem-led Portland declares state of emergency over fentanyl crisis: Oregon Governor wades into turmoil three years after woke city decriminalized drugs that has caused 'economic and reputational harm'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13028305/portland-oregon-declares-state-emergency-fentanyl-crisis.html
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Dem-led Portland declares state of emergency over fentanyl crisis: Oregon Governor wades into turmoil three years after woke city decriminalized drugs that has caused 'economic and reputational harm'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13028305/portland-oregon-declares-state-emergency-fentanyl-crisis.html
It's important to remember that this isn't a Portland thing (other than the voters there pushed this over the top). Oregon state decriminalized hard drugs, and while Portland is in the spotlight, you see the consequences of it even in Eastern Oregon.
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It's not just decriminalization. Government at all levels is facilitating the ingress and encouraging use of drugs. From the Federal Government to the local Municipalities.