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Title: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 13, 2020, 06:25:57 AM
Apparently federal officers protecting a federal courthouse from rioters is a "occupying army" according to a US Senator.

Also, in the not surprising department, the photo WW uses of "peaceful protesters" doesn't look so peaceful.

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/07/12/oregon-governor-and-senators-condemn-trumps-use-of-occupying-army-on-portland-protesters/

https://reason.com/2020/07/13/homeland-security-acting-like-an-occupying-army-says-sen-wyden-after-federal-agents-shoot-peaceful-portland-protester/



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 13, 2020, 06:57:33 AM
I think there was video in one the first stories I read showing this peaceful protester winding up to throw something when he was hit in the face.

Call me unsurprised that the story left out that these peaceful protestors have been try to break in and set the place on fire every night.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2020, 07:41:53 AM
Okay, so they are only mostly peaceful. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: griz on July 13, 2020, 11:09:26 AM
The "mostly peaceful" description is pretty misleading.  By the same definition, the police response has also been mostly peaceful.  Come to think of it, when you consider that a lot of genuine warfare is spent trying to not get shot, you could even say that many actual battles are "mostly peaceful".


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 13, 2020, 12:58:06 PM
Apparently federal officers protecting a federal courthouse from rioters is a "occupying army" according to a US Senator.


So, like Ft. Sumter.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 13, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
They opened the wrong guy's car door. The takedown looks like some skilz from the foot placement. Funny how big bad outlaw antifa turned to wimps in a hurry.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1282752376898834433

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/13/masked-antifa-in-portland-opened-a-black-mans-car-door-and-it-was-a-really-bad-idea-video/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 13, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
They opened the wrong guy's car door. The takedown looks like some skilz from the foot placement. Funny how big bad outlaw antifa turned to wimps in a hurry.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1282752376898834433

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/13/masked-antifa-in-portland-opened-a-black-mans-car-door-and-it-was-a-really-bad-idea-video/

The man from the car either used to be a drill sergeant, or he does a VERY good imitation of one.

"Do you understand me? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?"


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 13, 2020, 04:35:41 PM
Love the freaking out over the arrows.  :laugh:  It looks like the guy couldn't get a crowd who wanted to take on the scary black man, so he just decided to quiet down and see if he could help someone find their dropped phone.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 13, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
That was freaking awesome!


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 15, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
Portland unveils CHOP 2.0!

Wonder how this one is going to fare...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-autonomous-zone-tents-barricade-seattle-chop-chaz


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
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    Today the Acting Secretary of Homeland Security asked to speak with me about demonstration activity in Portland. He expressed his concern about ongoing violence and asked how his agency can help.

    — Mayor Ted Wheeler (@tedwheeler) July 14, 2020

    I told the Acting Secretary that my biggest immediate concern is the violence federal officers brought to our streets in recent days, and the life-threatening tactics his agents use. We do not need or want their help.

    — Mayor Ted Wheeler (@tedwheeler) July 14, 2020
:facepalm:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 16, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948

(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 16, 2020, 06:21:13 PM
https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948

(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)


Look out folks, we got Trump-emboldened vigilantes on the loose

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The Sparrow Project
@sparrowmedia
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Replying to
@sparrowmedia
Now combine these tactics with cities/regions known for Trump-emboldened vigilantes wearing similar gear and you have a very dangerous and unpredictable cocktail.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 16, 2020, 07:57:40 PM

Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U

At least some level of law enforcement is taking this stuff seriously.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 17, 2020, 03:19:34 AM
Look out folks, we got Trump-emboldened vigilantes on the loose


They say that like it's a bad thing.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2020, 05:21:24 AM
Fed bois are destroying Portland Antifa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgMijMhS_U

At least some level of law enforcement is taking this stuff seriously.

Lots of stuff in that video that put a smile on my face and/or otherwise reinforced my opinion that antifa are jackasses.

The one negative out of the way first: In the first scene (which may need more context), I couldn't help but think, in another kind of adminstration, what if I were just standing there peacefully protesting for the 2nd (or even maybe being a pain in the ass), a couple of guys in what looked like unmarked (other than "police")battle rattle came up to me and wordlessly grabbed me and took me away in an unmarked van? I'd be thinking I might be headed for the gulag.

Otherwise,  I don't care about most of downtown Portland burning down. They could stop it, but won't. The Federal building or any other federal property in Portland, however, are paid for with my tax dollars, and I demand that they be taken care of. So the "smile" stuff:

First scene: Assuming the guy was one of the property destroying rioters, it was actually kinda funny watching the two feds march up to him and march him away while the dumb broad was saying, "Use your words!" as if she was talking to a couple of 7 year olds instead of armed men, and somehow thought they gave a *expletive deleted*it about her little psychology ploy.

Asian guy scene: More than most videos I have seen, this shows just how vile and racist the fascist antifa movement is. These are the same people yelling about blaming Asians for the COVID, but here they are playing the "you all look alike to me" game with an innocent guy who, given past incidents, might have ended up beaten near to death because of his race.

The mug shots looked exactly as I expected them to.

The guy trying to hold the door shut to the fed building: Donut said it best: Angry bees.  :laugh:

It looks like Hawkmoon was right regarding that video I posted a couple of days ago of antifa opening the black guy's car door ("Don't ever touch a black man's radio!") - the guy was apparently a drill instructor.

Anyway, good video. :)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on July 17, 2020, 05:31:52 AM
https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948

(hardly an unbiased source, but still ...)


This could only be legal for those that make the laws . . . .


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 17, 2020, 05:41:32 AM
This could only be legal for those that make the laws . . . .
I figure the guy knew exactly what he was being arrested for.  Also, just because you couldn't hear it on the video doesn't mean they didn't tell him he was under arrest and ID themselves.  There is no requirement they do that for the person holding the camera.

That is the other side I guess.  I hate to make too many assumptions either way.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on July 17, 2020, 05:54:54 AM
I figure the guy knew exactly what he was being arrested for.  Also, just because you couldn't hear it on the video doesn't mean they didn't tell him he was under arrest and ID themselves.  There is no requirement they do that for the person holding the camera.

That is the other side I guess.  I hate to make too many assumptions either way.

Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented.  Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2020, 06:05:10 AM
Oh, the other great thing about the videos they take showing what tough and brave freedom fighters they are: The videos become state's evidence at their trials.  :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 17, 2020, 06:35:46 AM
Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented.  Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .
IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place. 

Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms?    I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now.  Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also. 

Maybe that is a good question.  Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2020, 06:45:28 AM
IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place. 

Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms?    I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now.  Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also. 

Maybe that is a good question.  Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?

From Angel Eyes link:

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Militarized Federal Agents from a patchwork of outside agencies have begun policing Portland (in rented minivans vans) without the explicit approval of the mayor, the state, or local municipalities. This is what that looks like in practice:

They really weren't policing Portland. They were (from the info I have seen) protecting Federal property. I've seen plenty of videos of people hiring security, or just a bunch of armed citizens, guarding private property without "explicit approval".

If the mayor of my town says, "Go ahead and express yourselves by burning down Ben's store - it's only property.", explicit approval can get bent. If possible, I will protect my property whether the mayor approves or not.

Again, I approve of what's happening now given data I have, because it is target defense of Federal (my) property. It would be hypocritical of me though, if I didn't say I would be worried about unmarked uniforms and unmarked vehicles in a different (President Ilhan Omar) administration or government.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on July 17, 2020, 07:46:41 AM
IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place. 

Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms?    I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now.  Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also. 

Maybe that is a good question.  Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?

IMO, that all depends on what they were doing right before this video takes place. 

Would it be better if they were in all blue/black and had big "Federal Agents" patches on their uniforms?    I don't really like the masks, but everyone is wearing them now.  Given how often I see protesters/rioters throwing stuff at police, I would want goggles and/or face shield and helmets also. 

Maybe that is a good question.  Can friendly neighborhood police exist in a place where everyone disrespects them and is sometimes openly hostile?

I'm increasingly not OK with this. I think both the federal and state governments have been overstepping their bounds for a very long time. Protesting and rioting are two different things.  But policing and extra-judicial abduction are also two different things.

To answer your second question, in many places the damage is done and it is too late, regardless of who started the cycle of disrespect, to expect friendly relations between the police and the populace.  There are too many blatantly obvious differences between what the police can get away with and the behaviors the rest of us are allowed to engage in.  There has been too much "us vs. them" for too long. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 17, 2020, 08:29:16 AM
Here is a list of what has been done so far to federal property in Portland: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on July 17, 2020, 08:38:14 AM
Here is a list of what has been done so far to federal property in Portland: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland)

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Portland Police were forced to deploy crowd control spray to disperse a crowd that was throwing animal seed at officers.
I'm guessing that was actually seed intended for feeding birds, but if not then I'm at least impressed by the love that protesters are willing to show to animals.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2020, 08:42:35 AM
All I have to say is that when the Portland Mayor demands that Trump cough up Federal funds to repair damage to the city, Trump actually sends a tweet that says, "Stick it up your ass, you hippie buffoon!"

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/17/portland-ore-mayor-ted-wheeler-is-aware-undesirable-people-are-in-his-city-and-wishes-theyd-leave-dhs-leadership/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 17, 2020, 08:55:41 AM
I'm increasingly not OK with this. I think both the federal and state governments have been overstepping their bounds for a very long time. Protesting and rioting are two different things.  But policing and extra-judicial abduction are also two different things.

To answer your second question, in many places the damage is done and it is too late, regardless of who started the cycle of disrespect, to expect friendly relations between the police and the populace.  There are too many blatantly obvious differences between what the police can get away with and the behaviors the rest of us are allowed to engage in.  There has been too much "us vs. them" for too long. 

On the last, the only answer I can come up with is the govt started it and by extension the busy body voters who wanted a law against everything they didn't like.  Whether it be using police as petty tax/fee collectors/enforcers or the War on Drugs, police were asked to enforce all sorts of things and allowed to intrude more in people's lives to do it.  Then we have/had stupid judges who have turned the Bill of Rights into a giant gray area where nothing is straightforward or simple. 

Fixing it would require a significant change in legislative action and judicial oversight.  I don't see that happening quickly.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on July 17, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Apparently, I'm more disturbed by the idea of federal authorities in rental cars making arrests than I originally thought.  It occurs to me that if we're to assume the feds were acting lawfully and that the protester was actually a hardened criminal deserving of incarceration, then it's just as easy to assume that since antifa has been declared a terrorist organization, and since membership can be implied by virtue of being in the crowd, it's just as likely the guy in that snippet of a video is being treated as an enemy combatant and has been essentially disappeared.  The federal government has done it many times, and it's been documented.  It's become nearly impossible for me to give the state the benefit of the doubt anymore. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 17, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
With the way the MSM distorts reality it would not surprise me to find out that the animal seed/feed they were throwing at police had already been processed by the animals.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on July 18, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
And now for something completely different:  (NSFW)

https://www.rt.com/usa/495163-naked-protester-portland-police/amp/?fbclid=IwAR3zAjugSogCzSlUJ8Mk31sYsc2X8rACfh3MZjahHs49f4A_AwT5s_9FFdo


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ron on July 19, 2020, 07:21:29 AM
Well yes, I was referring to the footage as presented.  Regardless of words said that we're not aware of, this activity does not bode well for the "No, really, we're not living in a police state" argument . . .

Representative government, rule of law and inalienable rights were useful fictions to keep a reasonably well educated populace mollified.

Our hidden rulers seem less inclined these days to exert any energy on maintaining that facade. They've imported enough folks from egalitarian tyrannies and converged our educational system enough that the people now demand egalitarian tyranny as their primary right.

We're all fascists and communists now, some nationalist, some globalist.



 



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 19, 2020, 09:02:55 AM
(https://media.thedonald.win/post/HIh53VYK.png)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 19, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
FYI:  The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking.  Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 19, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
FYI:  The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking.  Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.

Honestly not sure if that's better or worse...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 19, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
Honestly not sure if that's better or worse...

It would be nice if they could round up and charge some of the organizers and instigators of the riots and lay some federal charges on them.  I doubt it would do much to quiet the rioting, but to hear about some convictions would be highly satisfying.
Portland is my home town, born there many years ago.  It saddens me greatly to see it devolve into a left wing-led cesspool when it was such a nice place to grow up and live in years back.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 05:18:18 AM
It looks like the "Silent Majority" are finally making themselves heard in Portland.  Unfortunately, they are coming out on the side of the, er... "protesters".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland (https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland)

edited for spelling


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2020, 05:22:31 AM
It looks like the "Silent Majority" are finally making themselves heard in Portland.  Unfortunately, they are coming out on the side of the, er... "protestors".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland (https://www.foxnews.com/us/thousands-march-protest-downtown-portland)

I don't know that they're part of the silent majority. They mostly remind me of the older, wealthy, naive liberals that I used to see in Santa Barbara - saving the world with signs in front of the courthouse, then hitting Starbucks and the Trader Joe's to talk about the great work they've done for their fellow travelers.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 21, 2020, 05:26:44 AM
Cognitive dissonance. From RocketMan's link:

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"I found it wrong that the federal government was trying to come here and prevent people from protesting and exercising their right to assemble and protest," mom Megan Kelly told Portland's KATU.

But are the feds preventing people from peacefully assembling and protesting?

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The city's Democrat leadership has been criticized for its response. “The elected officials have condoned the destruction and chaos” in the city, said Daryl Turner, the head of the Portland Police Association, on Sunday.

...

Demonstrators said they would remain nonviolent and protest as long as federal officers are in the city, the station reported.

Just before midnight, the unrest began to swell as protesters were seen knocking and coming close to the courthouse building, which resulted in federal officers setting off smoke gas, according to The Oregonian.

Some people started to tear off the plywood in front of the building around 12:20 a.m., which prompted police to throw devices that emitted smoke and an orange substance into the air.

...

Police would later acknowledge that federal law enforcement deployed CS gas, also known as tear gas, and advised people to avoid the area of SW 3rd and SW Main. They reported people were throwing projectiles and some were armed with clubs, hammers, and other weapons.

But I'm sure those were peaceful, non-violent clubs, hammers, and other weapons.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 05:36:52 AM
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Police would later acknowledge that federal law enforcement deployed CS gas, also known as tear gas, and advised people to avoid the area of SW 3rd and SW Main. They reported people were throwing projectiles and some were armed with clubs, hammers, and other weapons.

But I'm sure those were peaceful, non-violent clubs, hammers, and other weapons.

No MAGA hats means they're thrown with love and tolerance.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 06:11:33 AM
While I acknowledge Ben's points about the Federal stuff belonging to all of us not just Portland (from reply 21) I gotta kind of wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let the Portlanders burn Portland down, and let Oregon deal with the aftermath.  Not EVERYTHING needs to be a federal problem, and in the grand scheme of federal dollars a couple buildings is pretty small change.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 06:18:22 AM
I've thought the same thing, just let Portland burn, let the Idiocracy that lives there deal with the aftermath. Unfortunately, I have family, including three of my kids, that live in communities surrounding Portland. This stuff could begin to affect them in a bad way at some point.

And regarding the "Silent Majority", I've never been convinced that they really exist as a cohesive group. In my opinion, they are mostly just low information, uninvolved folks that vote their feelings.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2020, 06:20:38 AM
While I acknowledge Ben's points about the Federal stuff belonging to all of us not just Portland (from reply 21) I gotta kind of wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let the Portlanders burn Portland down, and let Oregon deal with the aftermath.  Not EVERYTHING needs to be a federal problem, and in the grand scheme of federal dollars a couple buildings is pretty small change.

Actually on one hand I 100% agree with you. I'd love to see the feds say, "You want it, you got it" and leave Portland, let the buildings burn, and never return to them. On the other hand, there's no way that will happen without the result being that Portland/Oregon gets a bajillion of our tax dollars to rebuild.

The part of me that says people need to learn their lessons without getting bailed out would very much like to see Portland left in ruins (apologies to our members or their families with Portland connections - if it helps, I have always wished the same for CA), but the part of me that knows I'll end up paying for it would just as soon see the fed cops bash some heads to divert the rioters from fed buildings to city of Portland buildings. Though we saw the one time the Mayor got tough is when the protestors were on their way to his house.

I am still hoping that Trump tells Oregon to get bent when they demand hundreds of millions of federal dollars in relief.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: makattak on July 21, 2020, 08:29:08 AM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/

More scenes from last night's riot.

In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.

I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 21, 2020, 08:58:36 AM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/

More scenes from last night's riot.

In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.

I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s

LOL 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 21, 2020, 09:00:56 AM
FYI:  The twit that the feds dragged away in their soccer-mom-mobile was released shortly thereafter when it was determined he wasn't the twit they were seeking.  Apparently the feds have some specific folks they are looking for.
From some additional stuff I have seen, the Feds in camo were wearing patches identifying their department and badge numbers.  While they were in camo, they were not unidentified.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
From some additional stuff I have seen, the Feds in camo were wearing patches identifying their department and badge numbers.  While they were in camo, they were not unidentified.

I think that's always been the case.  They just haven't been very vocal when they haul off a miscreant.  (Which is cool in a way.    >:D )


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."

 :facepalm:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."

 :facepalm:

All the cool fascist have them


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
Of course, they're not saying word one about the use of Bill and Janet's "secret police" in Waco, Texas...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 10:04:23 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qa1Jc0Pih3s/hqdefault.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 10:15:39 AM
Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not get crazy, here! That was a justifiable governmental action designed to reunite an individual with the blessings of universal socialism.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Nick1911 on July 21, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
A few of my more... liberal... Facebook friends (including a friend from college) are losing their minds over "Trump's Secret Police."

 :facepalm:

AOC to introduced bill requiring federal officers to wear identification including the department they work for, a badge number, and their last name.  They didn't think through putting in an exception for undercover LE.   :facepalm: 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 02:09:15 PM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/21/fed-goons-out-of-pdx-scenes-from-last-nights-rioting-in-portland-video/

More scenes from last night's riot.

In the reporting, they said the Fed's rushed out and attacked the rioters attempting to break in.

I had to do some digging, but I actually found some footage of that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4&t=2m26s

I confess I am somewhat flummoxed by the fact that a bunch of these protesters have decided to leave there house for the protest with weapons and they choose.......clubs.

I don't think we are really at the point of violent overthrow of the government yet, but these folks clearly do. And they choose.......clubs.

I don't get it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
I confess I am somewhat flummoxed by the fact that a bunch of these protesters have decided to leave there house for the protest with weapons and they choose.......clubs.

I don't think we are really at the point of violent overthrow of the government yet, but these folks clearly do. And they choose.......clubs.

I don't get it.

I think it's because many of them are just plain dumb.  However, some of the peaceful protesters have been seen carrying firearms, so I suspect it's just a matter of time until they get sporty with them.

edited for spelling.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 05:33:07 PM


MSNBC analyst: President Trump sending ‘paramilitary units’ into cities is a ‘trial run’ to steal the election through force or intimidation
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/msnbc-analyst-president-trump-sending-paramilitary-units-into-cities-is-a-trial-run-to-steal-the-election-through-force-or-intimidation/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
On a related note

Mayor Lightfoot putting her foot down on Trump's troops coming to Chicago because everything is peaches and cream in Chicago right now.

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   Under no circumstances will I allow Donald Trump’s troops to come to Chicago and terrorize our residents.

    — Mayor Lori Lightfoot (@chicagosmayor) July 21, 2020


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/under-no-conditions-will-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-allow-president-trumps-troops-to-terrorize-the-residents/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 21, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
On a related note

Mayor Lightfoot putting her foot down on Trump's troops coming to Chicago because everything is peaches and cream in Chicago right now.


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/21/under-no-conditions-will-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-allow-president-trumps-troops-to-terrorize-the-residents/

Is Antifa allowed to come to Chicago and terrorize the residents? Black Lives Matter?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
They might get shot in Chicago. And not by th  cops.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 21, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
They might get shot in Chicago. And not by th  cops.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=antifa+chicago&ia=web


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 21, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
I can't vouch for the timeline, but someone said Lightfoot sent her tweet right after this happened:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-shooting-several-hospitalized

How dare Orange Man Bad intrude upon their peaceable kingdom?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 22, 2020, 07:42:07 AM
LawDog weighs in on the Portland mess:

https://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2020/07/nothing-quite-like.html

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Every government that is big enough, and powerful enough to take enough money from enough citizens to give you that free healthcare, and that free college, and that Universal Basic Income, and that Student Loan Forgiveness, and all the other tax-funded "free" stuff that those little Marxist numpties in Portland are screaming for has a KGB, or a Stasi, or a Ministry of State Security.

Just as sure as night follows day; as sure as nits make lice; and as sure as Death -- every Socialist Utopia has a Gestapo lurking somewhere.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 23, 2020, 05:50:11 AM
Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides.  Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/ (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MillCreek on July 23, 2020, 07:25:06 AM
^^^What is with the leaf blowers?  Are they trying to blow tear gas on him, or away from him, or use the noise to drown out his speech?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 23, 2020, 07:49:55 AM
I don't approve of the abolishing the police force...

I do like the thought of him resigning...

And I heartily applaud the Feds gassing him.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 23, 2020, 07:56:06 AM
Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides.  Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/ (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/23/tear-gas-ted-has-to-go-mayor-ted-wheelers-listening-sessions-with-portland-rioters-could-not-have-gone-worse-video-thread/)

These are not reasonable people. These are not even angry people shouting their opinions. They are screaming lunatics shouting threats of physical harm. If they were in front of my house, I would consider their actions justification for simply opening fire into the crowd and emptying as many magazines as I could to defend my physical well-being and protect my property.

Portland. What a pimple on the ass of America.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 23, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
Portland Mayor goes to have a Ted Talk with rioters, it doesn't go well from all sides.  Rioters want him to abolish the police and resign from office and the feds tear gas him.

  =)

 =D

 :lol:

 :rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 23, 2020, 03:06:12 PM
I thought Kyle MacLachlan was the mayor.  ???


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 23, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Three officers may have suffered permanent eye injuries by lasers aimed at them by the rioters:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/federal-officers-blinded-by-lasers

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The rioters also allegedly graffitied the building, blocked roadways, and lit several fires in the area.

According to Cline, when officers responded to put out the fires, lasers that can cause permanent blindness were shined in their eyes.

"We have three officers who currently have eye injuries and they may not recover sight in those eyes from those laser attacks," Cline said in the news conference.

Hoping that their injuries are not permanent.

If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 23, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?

Sounds like a winner to me, Bob.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 23, 2020, 06:41:08 PM

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If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?

In Oklahoma the standard for using deadly force in self defense is fear of death or serious bodily harm. In my mind being blinded falls squarely under serious bodily harm.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 23, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
In Oklahoma the standard for using deadly force in self defense is fear of death or serious bodily harm. In my mind being blinded falls squarely under serious bodily harm.

This, plus you have to expect them to go after your firearm(s).


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 23, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
He lost his firearms in a sailboat accident.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 23, 2020, 08:48:43 PM
He lost his firearms in a sailboat accident.

I mean if a cop (or anyone else known to be armed) is attacked, he can expect the assailants to take his gun and shoot him, or someone else.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: French G. on July 24, 2020, 05:56:01 AM
I assume a laser is attached to a gun, act accordingly


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 24, 2020, 08:27:21 AM
Three officers may have suffered permanent eye injuries by lasers aimed at them by the rioters:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/federal-officers-blinded-by-lasers

Hoping that their injuries are not permanent.

If a rioter is wielding a laser capable of inflicting permanent blindness, is the use of deadly force justified?


Do they have goggles that can filter stuff like that or do they have to know what to expect ahead of time?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 24, 2020, 08:33:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GX71BF0ZoM
Seattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1pdPezm54
Here is a press conference from Chicago.  Shows some of the "protesters" changing clothes and gathering weapons to throw at officers.  Toward the end it shows officers getting stuff thrown at them including incendiary stuff.  Not sure why they didn't have helmets and face shields.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: zxcvbob on July 24, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
Do they have goggles that can filter stuff like that or do they have to know what to expect ahead of time?

They claim there are protective goggles, but not sure how they would work.  Auto-darkening welding filters, about shade 12?  But will those darken if just one little spot is illuminated?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 24, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
They claim there are protective goggles, but not sure how they would work.  Auto-darkening welding filters, about shade 12?  But will those darken if just one little spot is illuminated?

Laser safety goggles just work by filtering out the particular wavelength of the laser they are made for. Since laser's, technically, can be any wavelength of light there isn't, that I am aware of, any PPE that will protect against all lasers.

For example, I have some goggles that are good for most of the red-green-blue range, but when I bought a CO2 cutting laser I got a different set to block the 10,600nm beam.  The visible light glasses didn't go high enough.  (Or the ones that did both were $15 from china and I didn't roll that particular dice)

The military lasers that I have used usually have a physical block that prevents them from going to high-power unless you unscrew it, so soldiers don't blind each other in training.  (A real consideration when someone is whipping around an IR laser that can blind folks without triggering the blink reflex)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 24, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
Howz about that environment and all the damage plastic bottles do, Portland hippies?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/24/andy-ngo-shows-what-portland-rioters-do-to-the-federal-courthouse-every-single-night-while-the-mayor-blames-federal-agents/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 24, 2020, 07:28:16 PM
Is there still a Portland?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 04:24:29 AM
White House Press Secretary plays a video of the rioting in Portland (because the MSM won't). Not only do we get complaints about raw footage showing what is actually going on, but even "conservative" Fox News cuts away from this?

IMO, Kayleigh should be integrating stuff like this into her briefings even more. A picture is worth a thousand words. Or a thousand whines if you're talking about Jim Acosta.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/24/heres-fox-news-explanation-for-why-they-cut-away-from-wh-presser-when-kayleigh-mcenany-was-showing-video-of-portland-rioting/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 25, 2020, 06:10:14 AM
WHAAAAAT ???

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Harris Faulkner provided this explanation:

    Harris Faulkner defends Fox's decision to leave the briefing after McEnany showed video of Portland violence, saying it was b/c there was a "video that we were not told would air and how it would be edited with some things on screen that we might have wanted a heads up about." pic.twitter.com/ysbyOfmxV1

    — Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) July 24, 2020

Since when does the White House send out pre-briefings on press briefings? The purpose of a press conference is to release news briefings.

What a slimy excuse for journalistic cowardice.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2020, 06:11:18 AM
Maybe somebody needed to go pee


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 25, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
Yeah, FOX News is driving hard left & Woke Since the elder Murdoch handed over the reigns.
How in the hell is Donna Brazil even employable in the "news" business after she help Clinton cheat in the debates?
Let alone being hired at Fox News. Hell, even CNN said she violated their extremely low ethical standards.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donna-brazile-fox-news-democrat-hillary-clinton-sanders-cnn-debate-a8830286.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donna-brazile-fox-news-democrat-hillary-clinton-sanders-cnn-debate-a8830286.html)
 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: HankB on July 25, 2020, 08:35:32 AM
Laser safety goggles just work by filtering out the particular wavelength of the laser they are made for. Since laser's, technically, can be any wavelength of light there isn't, that I am aware of, any PPE that will protect against all lasers.

For example, I have some goggles that are good for most of the red-green-blue range, but when I bought a CO2 cutting laser I got a different set to block the 10,600nm beam.  The visible light glasses didn't go high enough.  (Or the ones that did both were $15 from china and I didn't roll that particular dice)

The military lasers that I have used usually have a physical block that prevents them from going to high-power unless you unscrew it, so soldiers don't blind each other in training.  (A real consideration when someone is whipping around an IR laser that can blind folks without triggering the blink reflex)
The first part of what you wrote is correct - laser safety goggles are made to protect against specific lasers. Since common industrial lasers that pose eye hazards can range from UV to near IR, anything that protected against all wavelengths would simply be opaque.

Sounds like you were ripped off on the CO2 goggles. Very few materials that are transparent in the visible will also transmit a CO2 laser's 10.6 micron wavelength beam - in fact, when trying to focus or otherwise manipulate a CO2 laser's beam, you have to get special lenses made of materials like zinc selenide or germanium in order to transmit the beam. Ordinary polycarbonate lenses are fine to protect your eyes from 10.6 microns.

And by the way, unless the laser is REALLY powerful, your retina isn't at risk from a CO2 laser, since the lens/cornea are opaque to 10.6 microns.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
YOU ARE NOT WEARING MY UNIFORM CORRECTLY!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287124389339844610


Also, it seems someone who was in the military would know fed LE don't wear military uniforms.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 25, 2020, 03:30:17 PM

Sounds like you were ripped off on the CO2 goggles. Very few materials that are transparent in the visible will also transmit a CO2 laser's 10.6 micron wavelength beam - in fact, when trying to focus or otherwise manipulate a CO2 laser's beam, you have to get special lenses made of materials like zinc selenide or germanium in order to transmit the beam. Ordinary polycarbonate lenses are fine to protect your eyes from 10.6 microns.


Shrug.  They weren't that expensive from a reputable US Laser safety place.  I have read a bit about CO2 lasers causing thermal damage to eyes, so I ered on the side of caution.   I like seeing.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
The head of the Portland NAACP has some cogent words regarding the Portland protests.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/president-of-portland-naacp-says-the-protests-were-supposed-to-be-about-black-lives-not-white-women/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2020, 04:58:48 PM
The head of the Portland NAACP has some cogent words regarding the Portland protests.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/president-of-portland-naacp-says-the-protests-were-supposed-to-be-about-black-lives-not-white-women/

Welcome to the wacky world of SJWs Mr. NAACP President where every thing is about them


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 05:01:39 PM
Suddenly everyone in Portland is a uniform expert too.

These colors don't run.

That's why, you smelly hippie.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/hippie-chick-wants-to-know-why-the-flag-is-backwards-on-the-uniforms-of-president-trumps-stormtroopers/



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 25, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
YOU ARE NOT WEARING MY UNIFORM CORRECTLY!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287124389339844610

"Her voice is a WMD"

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/her-voice-is-a-wmd-antifa-karen-chews-out-the-federal-agents-protecting-the-portland-federal-courthouse-for-wearing-her-uniform-wrong/



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 25, 2020, 08:56:38 PM
Suddenly everyone in Portland is a uniform expert too.

These colors don't run.

That's why, you smelly hippie.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/25/hippie-chick-wants-to-know-why-the-flag-is-backwards-on-the-uniforms-of-president-trumps-stormtroopers/

As a First Cav vet, I really loved the question about the horse patch.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 26, 2020, 07:00:47 AM
(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/N8YNgE6Q6y-750x559.jpeg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2020, 08:09:17 AM
These have become some of my favorite videos of these riots to watch. While the antifas have decided all black lives in a uniform are evil and they treat them similar (but not as bad) as white people, they absolutely never know what to do when none-LE black people oppose them. It's like you can see the smoke coming out of their ears. "But we're your saviors! Our attention whoring is for you! Bow before us because we know what's best for you!" :laugh:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2020, 08:12:35 AM
There can be only one.... victim


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Seattle, not Portland, but same thing. Some lefty SJW radio host who was making fun of Trump "overreacting" to violence in Portland and Seattle is today saying that he needs a gun, because his apartment is above the Starbucks that was destroyed.

To paraphrase one of the comments, the jackass had his red pill moment not when peoples businesses were being destroyed, but when he couldn't get his $8 cup of coffee.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/26/life-comes-at-you-fast-blue-check-telling-trump-to-chill-dawg-over-seattle-riots-learns-he-was-right-the-hard-way-screenshots/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 26, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
More "peaceful protesters" in Austin TX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWarhdskkHk


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2020, 02:49:11 PM
I see this, and I realize we have zero common ground with these morons. There are zero concessions that we could make that would make them happy. It's as if we're dealing with an alien species with completely different brain circuitry.

https://twitter.com/jc_1303/status/1287231458508234753

You want this driver arrested for not stopping for your protest?
You want this driver arrested for attempting to take a detour that would keep her away from your crowd?
You want this driver arrested because you followed her and jumped on her car and demanded she stop and she wouldn't?
You demand all people stop and obey your illegal blocking of a public roadway.
You claim that all people would have to do is detour around you - there were plenty of opportunities?
What opportunities? Is there a Google app now to let drivers know that you're spontaneously blocking roads for "justice"? And that would somehow make it the driver's fault for not knowing you'll be blocking their upcoming path?
These "rich white people" don't have kids to pick up from school? Elderly parents to get to? Or just want to go home from work, which is their absolute right?

As many of the comments indicate, people are getting fed up enough that I think running the blockades will both be more common and likely accepted by LE. If someone does to me what they did to this lady, I'm not moving forward at 2MPH like she did. I'm accelerating and leaving the scene. If you're stupid enough to try and ride along on the outside of my vehicle, that's your problem, jackass.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 26, 2020, 02:53:54 PM
Looks like the cop is telling her she has to stop and take the abuse from the rioters.  It really didn't appear he was there to "protect and serve".  I wonder if he had orders not to interfere with the rioters.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 26, 2020, 03:00:43 PM
There has got to be someone somewhere working on a killdozer right now. When he goes all Marvin on these assclowns there will be great rejoicing.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on July 26, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
If a blue wave comes about on Nov. 3 as some are predicting, I expect to see BLM and Antifa start moving more into the suburbs.  This will be with the tacit approval of the Democrat mayors and county commissioners, of course.  It will be interesting to see if the "protesters" stick to the streets in suburbia, or if folks are "requested" to go outside their homes and kneel for the BLM activists.
Also, has anyone noted the latest change in rhetoric, with Democrats calling the US a "democratic republic"?  Various talking heads and print journalists have been sprinkling their stories with the term of late.  I wonder if they're trying to acclimate us to changes they intend to make after the elections?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PassionateLividAustraliancattledog-size_restricted.gif)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 26, 2020, 03:54:13 PM
There has got to be someone somewhere working on a killdozer right now. When he goes all Marvin on these assclowns there will be great rejoicing.

I don't see why it would turn out any better than it did for the African immigrant who hit the two white girls.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2020, 06:13:16 PM
More "peaceful protesters" in Austin TX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWarhdskkHk
Austin Motorist Shoots, Kills Protester Carrying a Rifle When Crowd Surrounded His Car [VIDEO]
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/austin-motorist-shoots-kills-protester-with-rifle-after-crowd-stopped-his-car-video/?utm_source=wideopen&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wideopen&utm_content=%5B%5Brssitem_title%5D%5D


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2020, 06:15:16 PM
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1287060297786654720?s=19

This guy needs to learn that blocking traffic only works if you have a mob to back you up.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2020, 06:18:50 PM
Cruz to Introduce Bill Holding Local Govs Liable to Property Owners if No Police Protection
https://hannity.com/media-room/cruz-moves-cruz-to-introduce-bill-holding-local-govs-liable-to-property-owners-if-no-police-protection/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

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....Cruz said in a tweet on Sunday. “I’m introducing legislation to make local govt liable to private property owners if officials deliberately withhold police protection.”

I saw a tweet from James Woods asked about not allowing federal funds to be used to rebuild city damage from riots and Cruz replied it was in there.  We'll see if this goes anywhere.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1287384947616030720?s=19

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Tim Pool
@Timcast
·
12h
Peaceful smoke billows out of some mobile units after Peaceful Protesters™ set a peaceful fire in peaceful Seattle

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed21UqwWkAIK244?format=png&name=medium)

 =D


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: zahc on July 26, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
I just bought a house in Boise. So I have to be honest I am almost a little relieved that things in Portland and Seattle continue to suck. Most of our housing demand comes from Seattle so this is going to be good for my home value.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 26, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
I just bought a house in Boise. So I have to be honest I am almost a little relieved that things in Portland and Seattle continue to suck. Most of our housing demand comes from Seattle so this is going to be good for my home value.

... until the Peaceful Protesters(tm) decide that Boise is next ...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 26, 2020, 10:26:44 PM
In Colorado, someone apparently shot at thiz jeep, missed, but hit someone else.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287213647505195010


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Boomhauer on July 27, 2020, 02:21:07 AM
I see this, and I realize we have zero common ground with these morons. There are zero concessions that we could make that would make them happy. It's as if we're dealing with an alien species with completely different brain circuitry.

https://twitter.com/jc_1303/status/1287231458508234753

You want this driver arrested for not stopping for your protest?
You want this driver arrested for attempting to take a detour that would keep her away from your crowd?
You want this driver arrested because you followed her and jumped on her car and demanded she stop and she wouldn't?
You demand all people stop and obey your illegal blocking of a public roadway.
You claim that all people would have to do is detour around you - there were plenty of opportunities?
What opportunities? Is there a Google app now to let drivers know that you're spontaneously blocking roads for "justice"? And that would somehow make it the driver's fault for not knowing you'll be blocking their upcoming path?
These "rich white people" don't have kids to pick up from school? Elderly parents to get to? Or just want to go home from work, which is their absolute right?

As many of the comments indicate, people are getting fed up enough that I think running the blockades will both be more common and likely accepted by LE. If someone does to me what they did to this lady, I'm not moving forward at 2MPH like she did. I'm accelerating and leaving the scene. If you're stupid enough to try and ride along on the outside of my vehicle, that's your problem, jackass.

The propaganda wing is in full force on the internet blaming the police and us for the “random violence” that occurs at the “peaceful protests”

They ain’t gonna be happy until they get their civil war they want so bad. Simultaneously trying to
destroy the economy with the Corona bullshit (including the runaway spending of the “we gotta pass them now to find out what’s in them” stimulus packages) and then the rioting and cancel culture...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 04:16:21 AM
... until the Peaceful Protesters(tm) decide that Boise is next ...


A couple of Idaho lawmakers and the GOP chair are already using the protests as a rallying cry, saying that Boise will be the next Portland or Seattle if we're not careful. In many ways, they're correct. The recently elected Boise Mayor is a jackass.

Prior to the latest protests in downtown Boise, she put out a statement about how there was going to be another peaceful BLM protest, but she already had information about "outsiders' coming in to counter-protest and start violence. Who were those "outsiders"? Other Idaho residents not from Boise. You jackass. Did you not realize that the Mayor of Boise is also the Mayor of the city housing the state capitol? Where all Idahoans go to make their voices heard? You don't get to decide whose voices can be heard in Boise and whose can't. Boise is in Idaho. Idaho is not in Boise. You're outnumbered and surrounded, lady.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 05:20:09 AM
In Colorado, someone apparently shot at thiz jeep, missed, but hit someone else.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287213647505195010
The sound sucked on that video.  Did the people all those people run off the road because of shooting or because the jeep was coming in at speed?  They started getting off the road before the Jeep got there.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 05:43:22 AM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287278680817823747?s=19
Earlier interview with protester shot during protest in Austin.  Note his line at the end about people not doing anything about it.


I saw some twitter post claiming this guy never fired his rifle, others say he fired 5 times and shot the driver.  Lots of misinformation going around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJO2L_kJr4&feature=emb_logo
This is video nearby.  You can here 5 initial shots then several more shots a few seconds later.  It sounds like they were shots from different weapons, but it could just be because they moved behind cover.  It seems to back up that 5 shots were fired first by a rifle then someone fired back.  We'll see. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 27, 2020, 05:48:31 AM
The sound sucked on that video.  Did the people all those people run off the road because of shooting or because the jeep was coming in at speed?  They started getting off the road before the Jeep got there.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Here's the police report:

https://www.auroragov.org/blog/One.aspx?portalId=2869361&postId=16915298&portletAction=viewpost



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 05:51:22 AM
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Here's the police report:

https://www.auroragov.org/blog/One.aspx?portalId=2869361&postId=16915298&portletAction=viewpost


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/car-drives-mob-protesters-colorado-highway-protester-shoots-fellow-protesters-trying-shoot-driver/
This link has a couple of twitter videos embedded.  One appears to show the Jeep afterward.  It has no front end damage, but it does have a flat front tire.  Doesn't look to me like the Jeep hit anyway. 

If I saw armed people in the crowd, I don't think I am sticking around. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 27, 2020, 06:33:35 AM
More fun in Colorado:

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-allegedly-tried-to-drive-through-or-over-blue-lives-matter-protesters/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 06:55:53 AM
More fun in Colorado:

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-allegedly-tried-to-drive-through-or-over-blue-lives-matter-protesters/
And that protest was in a park.  The guy probably justified it in his head based on people driving through protests elsewhere that were on the actual roadway.


This was in there.  "Missiles"?  Was someone throwing lawn darts?
Quote
Another person was cited for “throwing missiles,” police said.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287278680817823747?s=19
Earlier interview with protester shot during protest in Austin.  Note his line at the end about people not doing anything about it.


I saw some twitter post claiming this guy never fired his rifle, others say he fired 5 times and shot the driver.  Lots of misinformation going around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJO2L_kJr4&feature=emb_logo
This is video nearby.  You can here 5 initial shots then several more shots a few seconds later.  It sounds like they were shots from different weapons, but it could just be because they moved behind cover.  It seems to back up that 5 shots were fired first by a rifle then someone fired back.  We'll see. 

Another story with an interesting quote from the police  -
Quote
Chief Manley says that the driver shot first, which he says came after Foster pointed his gun at the driver.
Some yahoo points a gun at me I'm extremely likely to take him seriously and act accordingly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw)

https://thepostmillennial.com/black-lives-matter-protestor-austin-shoots-driver-kill (https://thepostmillennial.com/black-lives-matter-protestor-austin-shoots-driver-kill)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 09:47:16 AM
Some yahoo points a gun at me I'm extremely likely to take him seriously and act accordingly.

https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 27, 2020, 10:08:27 AM
https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27

In that same vein ...

https://youtu.be/Ho2_c_LGZfk?t=211

Quote
This ... this bullshit ... this is gonna be on the nightly news.

Re Austin: the driver may well have been ... Justified ... but he* and his* family are in for a world of trouble when the dead loser's friends decide to turn his* life upside down with doxxing and other forms of harassment.

Ditto for the Jeep driver in Aurora.




*assuming the driver is male.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2020, 10:39:33 AM
No doubt that as soon as it is found out (leaked) the responsible news outlets will broadcast the shooters name, address, place of work or business and all their relatives they can track down in the name of responsible journalism.

I'm also seeing examples of how self defense is stigmatized by the general public. A dead rape victim is morally superior to a survivor that used deadly force to save their own life.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
Dems are starting to do an about face on the narrative today. Well, except for Jerry Nadler who says violence is a myth.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/worried-about-it-backfiring-lanny-davis-take-on-portland-rioters-shows-that-dem-narrative-is-shifting-right-in-front-of-our-eyes/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
Dems are starting to do an about face on the narrative today. Well, except for Jerry Nadler who says violence is a myth.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/worried-about-it-backfiring-lanny-davis-take-on-portland-rioters-shows-that-dem-narrative-is-shifting-right-in-front-of-our-eyes/
That sort of thing is another reason I don't think they will be a "blue wave".  If they were so confident, the news media wouldn't be trying to cover up the violence angle.  

I would honestly be a bit shocked if this stuff makes people vote FOR democrats.  The democrats in the past would cool down on the leftist rhetoric once the primaries were over.  This year, they have ramped it up and seem to be all for putting the most radical in office.  There are centrist democrats being called Right-Wing and Nazi's.  Hard for me to believe that is a winning strategy.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
Hard for me to believe that is a winning strategy.

Only in polls and according to the MSM. Just like in 2016. :)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 12:11:32 PM
That Aurora shooter watched one too many action movies, and holy crap, the "know what's beyond your target" went right out the window, at least from the angle of the video. Looks like he was shooting from the worst possible angle given direction and speed of the vehicle. I often don't take shots at birds with my shotgun at those angles/speeds.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/27/person-who-opened-fire-on-jeep-driving-through-human-blockade-on-colorado-freeway-shot-2-fellow-protesters-instead/

I'm not sure I dig the Aurora PD statement. Makes it sound like the jeep driver was at fault.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
It didn't look like he hit anyone and the report said no one has come forward with injuries from being hit.  

I liked this quote from the link.
Quote
Have been saying this for weeks - the longer police/govt don't get this in hand and restore order, the more citizens (on both sides) are going to start taking matters into their own hands.

Get. These. F@#$ing. People. Off. The. Road.

Stop allowing/enabling this, ffs.

This was an interstate highway.  There may have been no other way around this protest except through.  I also didn't see any mention of how long they were blocking traffic. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 27, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
https://youtu.be/lzjSIQkXoGM?t=27
I prefer this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 01:11:31 PM
It didn't look like he hit anyone and the report said no one has come forward with injuries from being hit.  

No, I agree - I think he was just trying to get through their roadblock on an Interstate. It's just a couple of the Aurora PD statements I read made it sound like he was aiming at protestors, which I do not for a second believe he was doing.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 27, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
I prefer this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw

RKL beat you to it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 27, 2020, 01:49:02 PM
Now the UN wants to play ...

https://conservative-daily.com/2020/07/26/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump-to-stand-down-in-portland/

https://www.nairaland.com/6017899/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 27, 2020, 01:53:06 PM
Y'all knew this was coming ...
(https://i.maga.host/0b7KfoI.jpeg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2020, 01:57:53 PM
Now the UN wants to play ...

https://conservative-daily.com/2020/07/26/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump-to-stand-down-in-portland/

https://www.nairaland.com/6017899/breaking-united-nations-orders-trump



Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.



Quote
The UN delivered a formal stand down order to the Trump administration, warning that there would be "consequences" if Federal officers continued enforcing Federal law…

Trump is on a roll, he just shut down a Chinese consulate/spy ring safe house in Houston. Sounds like he needs to kick the UN the *expletive deleted*ck out of the US.
 :mad:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 27, 2020, 02:10:39 PM
Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.


There might be blue cardboard helmets on the targets at the next IPSC match ...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
Orders? ORDERS?
*expletive deleted*ck the UN.


That was my first thought, though I'd like to see a couple more sources to see if they actually said they "order". If true, yeah, *expletive deleted*ck them and the Prius they rode in on. Also, if true, Trump should yank around a half billion dollars of UN funding as punishment.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 27, 2020, 02:29:01 PM
That was my first thought, though I'd like to see a couple more sources to see if they actually said they "order". If true, yeah, *expletive deleted*ck them and the Prius they rode in on. Also, if true, Trump should yank around a half billion dollars all of UN funding as punishment.

FTFY


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 27, 2020, 05:23:06 PM
I don't care how the U.N. said it; it's ugly. Talk about foreign meddling in an election...

The UN better have some statements condemning CHAZ/CHOP. No, forget that. What have they said about the anti-white movement afoot in the U.S., including BLM and other so-called "anti-racists"?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 27, 2020, 05:30:09 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/116235204_10158537654008024_5732151897054591053_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=D85HJUs2hn8AX_ORDTv&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=7399cac4148021818e8ee201f73c470a&oe=5F44E032)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 27, 2020, 05:32:52 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/116235204_10158537654008024_5732151897054591053_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=D85HJUs2hn8AX_ORDTv&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=7399cac4148021818e8ee201f73c470a&oe=5F44E032)


Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 27, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
News Release from the UN

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971 (https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 27, 2020, 05:34:06 PM
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971

Quote
Spokesperson Elizabeth Throssell was answering a reporter’s question about the US authorities deploying federal security officers to various cities to quell demonstrations against racial injustice, sparked by the death of George Floyd, an unarmed African American man, while in police custody in Minneapolis on 25 May.

“Peaceful demonstrations that have been taking place in cities in the US, such as Portland, really must be able to continue without those participating in them - and also, the people reporting on them, the journalists - risking arbitrary arrest or detention, being subject to unnecessary, disproportionate or discriminatory use of force, or suffering other violations of their rights”, said Ms. Throssell.
Officers must be identified

Regarding reports about unidentified police officers detaining protestors, she said “that is a worry because it may place those detained outside the protection of the law, and may give rise to arbitrary detention and other human rights violations.”

Ms. Throssell said federal and local security forces must be properly and clearly identified. They also should use force only when necessary and in accordance with international standards.

“Also, it is important that any victims of unnecessary or excessive use of force do have the right to remedy, and there should be, as we often say, prompt, independent, impartial and transparent investigations into any allegations of human rights violations, and that should ensure that those responsible are held accountable”, she added.


Good grief. Where to start?  :facepalm: She just gets everything wrong from start to finish. I don't have the patience to fisk this right now.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2020, 05:57:15 PM
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068971


Good grief. Where to start?  :facepalm: She just gets everything wrong from start to finish. I don't have the patience to fisk this right now.
Not much else to say.  She gets all her news from CNN and that sort and doesn't question it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 27, 2020, 06:07:57 PM
Yeah sounds like she sits on the couch with Nadler to watch the news.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: zahc on July 27, 2020, 07:12:51 PM
Unfortunately, the foreigners that I know get their news either directly from US media like CNN, or from foreign news outlets that directly transmit AP sources. My Japanese colleagues watch CNN to practice their English. It's even worse than domestic spin, because a lot of people here in the states either know something about what is actually happening, or they understand when and how far to believe the news. But those overseas don't, so they often take what they see at face value.

The converse situation also exists, sometimes they see through cultural aspects that are taken at face value in America. I find this happens more often on social issues like feminist, gay, and sometimes race issues that are FU in America but FU along different lines overseas.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 27, 2020, 07:37:45 PM
Quote
Spokesperson Elizabeth Throssell was answering a reporter’s question about the US authorities deploying federal security officers to various cities to quell demonstrations against racial injustice...

They are neither demonstrations, nor are they about "racial injustice."
 

Quote
“Peaceful demonstrations that have been taking place in cities in the US, such as Portland, really must be able to continue without those participating in them - and also, the people reporting on them, the journalists - risking arbitrary arrest or detention, being subject to unnecessary, disproportionate or discriminatory use of force, or suffering other violations of their rights”, said Ms. Throssell.

Peaceful demonstrations? Yeah, those aren't even allowed right now. In the age of Covid, only lefty race riots are permitted, and that's what you're calling peaceful demonstrations. Liar.


Quote
Regarding reports about unidentified police officers detaining protestors, she said “that is a worry because it may place those detained outside the protection of the law, and may give rise to arbitrary detention and other human rights violations.”

Ms. Throssell said federal and local security forces must be properly and clearly identified. They also should use force only when necessary and in accordance with international standards.

“Also, it is important that any victims of unnecessary or excessive use of force do have the right to remedy, and there should be, as we often say, prompt, independent, impartial and transparent investigations into any allegations of human rights violations, and that should ensure that those responsible are held accountable”, she added.

Ugh. We got coal, sweetie. This is Newcastle. The U.N. really doesn't have much to teach us in this regard.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2020, 07:48:21 PM
Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.



Or the ones that can't read because the government schools let them down.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on July 28, 2020, 06:39:02 AM
Maybe they'll learn that virtue-signalling is lost on those with no virtue.



Definitely quote-worthy.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on July 28, 2020, 06:49:42 AM
Or the ones that can't read because the government schools let them down.

More won't than can't


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 28, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/

Shouldn't she have a mask on?  She's within 6 ft of her squire/bodyguard.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
her squire/bodyguard.

 :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 28, 2020, 02:38:19 PM
Well, it's pretty obvious why she's single. How exhausting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/nbc-news-features-single-mother-who-is-sleep-deprived-because-she-has-to-come-to-the-portland-protests-every-night-and-scream-at-the-feds/


Why do you make us look at things like that?  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 28, 2020, 02:40:59 PM

Why do you make us look at things like that?  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Why does the bass strike the Hula Popper ...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
Why does the bass strike the Hula Popper ...

 :laugh:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
Oh man, this is hilarious. A Portland rioter was identified by LE through the review his grandma left for the "tactical vest" she bought him.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/too-good-to-check-portland-rioter-identified-from-review-his-grandmother-left-of-the-vest-she-bought-for-him/

The review is still up at the purchase site, which appears to be some kind of hipster skinny jean online store that sells "city gear". I'm hoping more people leave fake reviews, because they're pretty funny:

https://www.hibbett.com/hudson-mens-icons-reflective-vest---olive/B4987.html


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 28, 2020, 06:14:50 PM
Oh man, this is hilarious. A Portland rioter was identified by LE through the review his grandma left for the "tactical vest" she bought him.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/28/too-good-to-check-portland-rioter-identified-from-review-his-grandmother-left-of-the-vest-she-bought-for-him/

The review is still up at the purchase site, which appears to be some kind of hipster skinny jean online store that sells "city gear". I'm hoping more people leave fake reviews, because they're pretty funny:

https://www.hibbett.com/hudson-mens-icons-reflective-vest---olive/B4987.html

Come back with your vest, grandson. Or on it!   ;/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 29, 2020, 04:18:50 AM
Shouldn't she have a mask on?  She's within 6 ft of her squire/bodyguard.

Quote from a Twitter post..."I get the community theatrics but what's the mime acting out?"  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: adively on July 29, 2020, 04:20:02 AM

Why do you make us look at things like that?  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Ben made you click on it?  Ah sir, that was of your own free will that you clicked on the link.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 29, 2020, 08:55:02 AM
You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 29, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/

After that tweet about the feds bringing violence, etc, I'd reverse course and send in more "stormtroopers."


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 29, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Help me meme:

According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?

Or do we make the same point, but with the number of federal agents that only do desk work?

Or go the other way with it, and talk about how many "mostly peaceful" Muslims only contribute money and material support to terrorism?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on July 29, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
Hug them all, let God sort them out


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 29, 2020, 01:42:36 PM
You know what, if the feds want to leave Portland, fine. Let the fed buildings burn. But I will scream bloody murder if the feds repair/replace the buildings with my tax dollars. Leave them the way the rioters left them, don't restaff them, and remove federal dollars and those services from Portland. *expletive deleted*ck Portland.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/29/oregon-governor-says-feds-will-withdraw-from-portland/

That's a good idea. Move all federal services offices to Bend or Medford. In rented space, so if future "peaceful protests" peacefully trash the places, the feds can just set up operations in other rented space in another city.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Cliffh on July 29, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Help me meme:

According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?

Or do we make the same point, but with the number of federal agents that only do desk work?

Or go the other way with it, and talk about how many "mostly peaceful" Muslims only contribute money and material support to terrorism?

75% peaceful


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on July 29, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
Help me meme:

According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?
Two panel. One a pie chart labeled United States Marine Corps showing 25% combat specialties and 75% other. Second panel your warlike Marines with “MOSTLY PEACEFUL” caption.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 08:19:20 AM
Portland hits feds with $500 fine every 15 minutes fence stands outside besieged courthouse
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-maximum-fines-federal-government-fence-courthouse.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Quote
The city of Portland, Ore. is fining the federal government $500 for every 15 minutes it maintains unpermitted fencing outside of the federal courthouse that has faced nightly attacks amid ongoing protests and rioting.

City Commissioner Chloe Eudaly said in a statement Tuesday that the fencing is obstructing the street outside of the courthouse. As of Monday, she said, the federal government owed Portland $192,000.

Quote
"We are assessing the maximum fine of $500 for every 15 minutes the fence obstructs our street, and we are investigating other legal remedies available to us. Typically, we would send a maintenance crew or contractor to remove such an obstruction, but I will not send workers into harm's way," she said.

 :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 30, 2020, 08:23:05 AM
So find someone in the fed.gov with the power to fine the city for environmental or health and safety violations and impose a $1000 fine for every 10 minutes they are not in compliance with the law.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on July 30, 2020, 10:42:35 AM
I am rapidly approaching the "*expletive deleted*ck 'em" pull out and don't go back" level.  Yeah the Portland protesters are being communist jackasses, but they clearly don't want the federal government there.  So leave.


Quote from: fistful
Help me meme:

According to the Marine Corps Almanac, only about 25% of the Corps are in combat specialties. So when they show up to topple your happy little dictatorship, they're mostly peaceful. How do we reduce that to a short, simple phrase we can put over an image? Also, who gots a good image of some warlike Marines?

Not what you asked for at all, but the "mostly peaceful" made me think of Hitchhiker's Guide, and this made me smile:

(https://i.imgur.com/TFtoiWJm.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
Protestors in public want privacy. ACLU to their rescue:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/30/aclu-of-oregon-sues-portland-police-bureau-for-live-streaming-video-of-courthouse-protesters/

Weren't these the same people that were mad that cops weren't wearing nametags?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 30, 2020, 02:55:45 PM
Protestors in public want privacy. ACLU to their rescue:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/30/aclu-of-oregon-sues-portland-police-bureau-for-live-streaming-video-of-courthouse-protesters/

Weren't these the same people that were mad that cops weren't wearing nametags?

They are probably also the same people who like to stage confrontations with police and video them, reveling in the fact that there is "no expectation of privacy" in a public setting.

Apparently in clownworld what's sauce for the goose is NOT sauce for the gander.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on July 30, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
If you don't want people to watch your protest, maybe it's not a protest?

(https://mustbethistalltoride.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/man-shrugging-shoulders.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on July 31, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
Looks like they are branching out into smaller cities, Springfield Oregon is about 60K.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/07/31/2317944/us-protesters-clash-with-police-at-racial-justice-rally-in-springfield-video

As an aside, it's really sad when I have to go to an Iranian news agency to get reliable reporting.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 03:17:01 PM
I read that story yesterday somewhere. I didn't bring it up,because I know some people that hope they come to the small towns to teach them what not to do.

I will defend my family and land with all I have. I'm surrounded by ten or twelve loaded firearms. But I will never go looking for trouble.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 31, 2020, 04:57:08 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/orcs-march-on-minas-tirith-in-mostly-peaceful-protest


ETA: this one is more fitting:
https://babylonbee.com/news/portland-police-make-millions-after-offering-citizens-a-turn-throwing-tear-gas


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on August 01, 2020, 04:17:39 AM
Wow... this one is just freaking acidic!

https://babylonbee.com/news/911-operator-asks-caller-being-assaulted-if-hes-checked-his-white-privilege/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 01, 2020, 04:55:11 AM
Meanwhile, in Jefferson City...

Quote
In Jefferson City yesterday, the protesters decided to hold their die-in protest in front of the governor’s mansion. The video shows police called the assembly unlawful and ordered them out of the street. The protesters said they wanted to lie there for two minutes. They didn’t move. The police again gave them notice. Again they didn’t move. It wasn’t until the police started moving in toward them that protesters, moving in slow motion, decided to get up and amble slowly out of the street. They were blocking the street. They had blocked the street previously near the Capitol. And now they were trying to block the road in front of the governor’s mansion (which was stupid considering he wasn’t even there).

Then they whined when they got arrested. One of the screech owls in the group yelled “don’t touch me!” That might work in St. Louis. It didn’t work in Jefferson City.

https://ricochet.com/784808/mess-around-and-find-out/


Also, St Louis County's "first black prosecutor!" decided he should re-examine Michael Brown's death. After five months (I guess everybody needs a little project for lock-down), and no doubt many crumpled sheets of loose-leaf, he had to abandon any hope of finding a pretext for charging Wilson with a crime. I'm surprised there's been no mostly peaceful protest riot. But the anniversary of that event is coming up in about a week, so we'll see...


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 01, 2020, 04:58:22 AM
Wow... this one is just freaking acidic!

https://babylonbee.com/news/911-operator-asks-caller-being-assaulted-if-hes-checked-his-white-privilege/

Dear Baylonbee. Please stop giving them ideas!


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 01, 2020, 05:04:46 AM
Wasn't there a recent article that said calling the police was White Privilege?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 01, 2020, 03:10:35 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/08/minneapolis-city-council-president-lisa-bender-calling-police-privilege/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 01, 2020, 03:22:21 PM

ETA: this one is more fitting:
https://babylonbee.com/news/portland-police-make-millions-after-offering-citizens-a-turn-throwing-tear-gas


I'd spend a few bucks on that.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 02, 2020, 09:19:55 AM
Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 02, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
Portland police record highest number of death investigations in single month in more than three decades
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-police-record-highest-number-of-death-investigations-in-single-month-in-more-than-three-decades.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 02, 2020, 09:23:03 AM
At the antifa gathering in Austin, Texas, militants refuse to disperse occupied streets. Officers move in on horses and forcibly move the people out of the road. They scream and shout in anger.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1289755323620679680?s=09


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 02, 2020, 09:23:35 AM
Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088


What? Why? ???


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on August 02, 2020, 09:25:42 AM
Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088



I mean, OK.  It's freedom of expression,  even if you are expressing that you're kind of a dick.  I'm not to sure what the bible has to do with police brutality, except maybe that Jesus was a POC that was killed by the police system?


I would poke them with a stick and say "Prove you aren't a coward, now do a Koran" though.  Get the terrorists fighting each other.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 02, 2020, 09:48:51 AM
I would poke them with a stick and say "Prove you aren't a coward, know do a Koran" though.  Get the terrorists fighting each other.

There is that.

I look at bible burning as I do flag burning or general book burning. You get to do it, but you're an ass, and I wouldn't mind punching you in the nose. But being a civilized Westerner, I probably won't punch you, and I certainly won't behead you for it.

I guess what bugs me most about this incident is that gathering to burn the bible is okie doke, but going to a church to read the bible will kill everyone with the virus. I'm getting sick of the politics surrounding what kind of gatherings and activities will kill people and which ones give you an immunity shield to the virus.

Same with this John Lewis funeral. They had every right to hold a big one for him, but at the same time, funerals for other people are denied or limited. There was a recent kerfuffle because some guy whose father had died had said this same thing, stating according to the gov, his dad wasn't important enough to rate 10+ people at the funeral. He got completely pounced on because his dad "wasn't John Lewis".

If people can get together to burn bibles, people can get together to read them.

If a politician gets to have a big funeral, then so does anyone else whose family wants one.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 02, 2020, 09:49:34 AM
Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1289512762733785088



 No Korans? I wonder why?  ;/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 02, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)

https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 02, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)

https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s

Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 02, 2020, 01:36:54 PM
Reminds me of the fascist weirdo that decided to hassle a gun store owner, and then got all excited about the stack of give-away Bibles, and whether he/she could burn them, or take them outside and throw them at the storefront. (This was in 2017.)

https://youtu.be/cYFikTIAT-s

Classic.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 02, 2020, 01:37:23 PM
Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?

I think it was an it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 02, 2020, 02:25:08 PM
Holy crap, that dude had the patience of a saint. I first thought effeminate male in skinny jeans, then female, then I guess at the end it was a male?

Interview with the saint.
https://youtu.be/Xw1LA94vC-U


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 02, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
At the antifa gathering in Austin, Texas, militants refuse to disperse occupied streets. Officers move in on horses and forcibly move the people out of the road. They scream and shout in anger.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1289755323620679680?s=09


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2020, 04:26:19 AM
So Seattle protestors are suing because they can't afford to buy gas masks and stuff. I mean, don't they have grandmas?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protesters-in-seattle-claim-in-suit-that-gear-to-protect-them-from-cops-prices-them-out-of-civil-rights-report


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 04, 2020, 04:42:47 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day).   =D



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2020, 04:56:50 AM
So Seattle protestors are suing because they can't afford to buy gas masks and stuff. I mean, don't they have grandmas?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protesters-in-seattle-claim-in-suit-that-gear-to-protect-them-from-cops-prices-them-out-of-civil-rights-report


(https://media.tenor.com/images/31dc79b875a93b1da1684a92954ac0e8/tenor.gif)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2020, 05:05:09 AM
Can we file a lawsuit over high gun and ammo prices needed to defend ourselves from these "peaceful" protesters?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 04, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day).   =D

He is literally a gun-grabber.

Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 04, 2020, 09:17:50 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1289934701847707650?s=19
Just a link to a twitter video that is something to make you feel better about things on a Tuesday (or any day).   =D

He is literally a gun-grabber.

Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.

If I remember correctly, that incident occurred somewhere in Europe. Can you imagine the media outrage if it had happened in the US?
It's still an uplifting video, though.  :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 04, 2020, 09:27:44 AM
If I remember correctly, that incident occurred somewhere in Europe. Can you imagine the media outrage if it had happened in the US?
It's still an uplifting video, though.  :rofl:

The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.

(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 04, 2020, 09:28:43 AM
Seattle, but fits here:

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1290473037729587202


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.

(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)


IIRC it's from France, Paris protests a while back to be exact
Their uniforms say POLICE on them as well, police is actually a French word


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 04, 2020, 09:34:45 AM
He is literally a gun-grabber.

Also lucky that all he got was a punch in the face.



That nose popped like a balloon.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
The Seattle (at this point I'm just lumping in Seattle stuff with Portland stuff) police chief's neighbors defended their neighborhood with guns. Kinda like the STL couple, except these homeowners appear to be on the neighborhood's public street. Guess we'll see if the DA there attempts to press charges. The neighbors apparently have the support of the police chief.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/04/gun-owners-defend-seattle-police-chiefs-property-from-protesters/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
And in LA, someone is being charged for pointing a gun at protestors that were on his porch. We might need a discrete thread on people defending their homes and which of them are being charged for doing so.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/04/ill-shoot-you-i-dont-care-who-you-are-husband-of-los-angeles-county-district-attorney-charged-after-pointing-gun-at-black-lives-matter-protesters-at-their-home/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MillCreek on August 04, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
The Seattle (at this point I'm just lumping in Seattle stuff with Portland stuff) police chief's neighbors defended their neighborhood with guns. Kinda like the STL couple, except these homeowners appear to be on the neighborhood's public street. Guess we'll see if the DA there attempts to press charges. The neighbors apparently have the support of the police chief.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/04/gun-owners-defend-seattle-police-chiefs-property-from-protesters/

https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2020/08/02/hundreds-of-blm-supporters-storm-snohomish-county-neighborhood-to-protest-at-seattle-police-chief-carmen-bests-home/

This happened about 15 miles south of me. Prior to this, I did not know that Carmen Best and her husband lived up here.  I thought they lived in Seattle.  Neighbors used their vehicles to prevent the protestors from getting close to the Chief's home.  Both sides were armed but nothing untoward happened.  There is no way in heck the neighbors will be charged with anything.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
From Millcreek's link:

Quote
A crowd of about 200 persons, mostly white men and women in their twenties, were dressed in black with masks and black hoods and carried signs that read “Black Lives Matter.” Black Lives Matter protestors shouted profanity and insults at neighbors, took license plate information on vehicles, took pictures of homes, and asked little kids who lived in the neighborhood what schools they attended. 

That is absolute intimidation. If they start targeting people's kids, they are going to end up with bullet holes. A few other comments from the link made it sound like they were following a manual.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 04, 2020, 04:21:26 PM
And in LA, someone is being charged for pointing a gun at protestors that were on his porch. We might need a discrete thread on people defending their homes and which of them are being charged for doing so.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/04/ill-shoot-you-i-dont-care-who-you-are-husband-of-los-angeles-county-district-attorney-charged-after-pointing-gun-at-black-lives-matter-protesters-at-their-home/

Something tells me those charges will disappear after an appropriate amount of time has passed.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Silver Bullet on August 04, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: TommyGunn on August 04, 2020, 07:02:40 PM
Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?

Your question is phrased such it implies a conspiracy.   I don't know if it is or not, but at the rate things are going it seems we're heading for one regardless of it being planned or not.   =(


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 04, 2020, 07:36:46 PM
If they wanted to instigate a civil war/race war what do you suppose they would do differently?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 04, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?

I think part of it is simply democrat politicians thinking they need to play to the mob.  

The other part of me says if they get rid of police, there will be multiple other groups set up to do the same thing only worse with less accountability.  


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: makattak on August 05, 2020, 05:00:53 AM
The uniforms have "POLICE" patches on them, so if it is Europe, probably the U.K.

(and yes, the Left's outrage machine would be in overdrive howling about police brutality if it occurred here)


The brief look at the road sign looks like France, who also spell it "Police", which is likely where English got that word.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 05, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
Stop posting pictures of rioters!!!

Interesting that she uses the word "riot" instead of "protest".

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/05/violent-rioters-dont-want-troublemakers-like-andy-ngo-documenting-their-violent-rioting-because-you-are-threatening-their-lives-video/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 05, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
Stop posting pictures of rioters!!!

Interesting that she uses the word "riot" instead of "protest".

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/05/violent-rioters-dont-want-troublemakers-like-andy-ngo-documenting-their-violent-rioting-because-you-are-threatening-their-lives-video/
If she is concerned about rioters getting arrested, that means someone is actually arresting enough of them to get noticed.  Good.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on August 05, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397

Hahaha.  :rofl:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 05, 2020, 11:46:35 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397

Hahaha.  :rofl:

As an aside, this article is the second time I saw the mention of "industrial lasers". Evidence needed, but it appears these guys are not using classroom laser pointers (which can also damage vision). I read another article that stated over 200 police nationwide have reported eye injury and loss of sight (none permanent yet, I think) from laser attacks.

I've seen nothing about LE going after these people for lasers, and this story seems to indicate that the rioters are using them on just about anybody that's not part of the riots. There should be some VERY serious charges and mandatory prison time for this crap. Maybe it's just me, but I would rather lose a couple of legs and an arm than lose my eyesight.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on August 05, 2020, 11:50:22 AM
According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.

Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 05, 2020, 01:40:17 PM
As an aside, this article is the second time I saw the mention of "industrial lasers". Evidence needed, but it appears these guys are not using classroom laser pointers (which can also damage vision). I read another article that stated over 200 police nationwide have reported eye injury and loss of sight (none permanent yet, I think) from laser attacks.

I've seen nothing about LE going after these people for lasers, and this story seems to indicate that the rioters are using them on just about anybody that's not part of the riots. There should be some VERY serious charges and mandatory prison time for this crap. Maybe it's just me, but I would rather lose a couple of legs and an arm than lose my eyesight.

I've run across a few articles recently that mentioned three federal officers may have permanently damaged eyesight from lasers used against them by the Portland rioters.
A rioter trying to blind someone with a laser is getting themselves into the realm of causing serious bodily harm.  Eventually, some of these idiots are going to get shot by people exercising their right to self defense.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: griz on August 05, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397

Hahaha.  :rofl:

Nothing says "get out of my way I'm not stopping" like a truck pushing a motorcycle in front of it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 05, 2020, 02:19:22 PM
What? Why? ???

Pure antagonism.  They want to be made a victim.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 05, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.

Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.

It is attempted maiming and for drivers in motion it rises to attempted vehicular homicide.

Laser wielders absolutely should be shot in self defense.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 05, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/08/05/video-watch-a-pickup-driver-dispense-street-justice-to-a-rioters-bike-n754397

Hahaha.  :rofl:

Apparently that driver has been detained by the cops.  There are claims by the rioters that he fired shots at them.  The driver is cooperating with the investigation.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 05, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
I've run across a few articles recently that mentioned three federal officers may have permanently damaged eyesight from lasers used against them by the Portland rioters.
A rioter trying to blind someone with a laser is getting themselves into the realm of causing serious bodily harm.  Eventually, some of these idiots are going to get shot by people exercising their right to self defense.

Under Texas law, I think that would definitely fall under "serious bodily injury" and justify use of deadly force. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 05, 2020, 06:30:20 PM
There isn't a Utah thread, but things are getting sporty there too:

https://twitter.com/ConflictJustice/status/1290133215420624899

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Police-and-protesters-clash-in-Utah-at-suburban-15454407.php

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/08/05/dozens-residents-speak/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cottonwood-heights-seeks-state-review-of-officer-conduct-at-protest-that-turned-violent/ar-BB17CpCr


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: gunsmith on August 05, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
According to that article they've started aiming lasers at random drivers in addition to the cops.

Not only is that likely to cause more rioter injuries as people go all hind-brain after they've been blinded, but there are going to be some folks that treat that the same as having an AK pointed at them.

I was illegally packing my old sp101 .357 magnum with crimson trace in San Francisco 15 yrs ago or so, when a jack-donkey pointed a laser in my face while I was riding my motorcycle.
I managed to turn my head in time but was very tempted to empty to fire at him, as there was no way to be sure it was merely a pointer


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2020, 04:17:12 AM
Regarding the truck pushing the bike:

Quote
Police said someone also fired a gun during the unrest and a pickup truck accelerated into the crowd while pushing an unoccupied motorcycle in front of it.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-chief-says-riots-not-helping-cause-of-racial-justice-enough-is-enough

Without having seen the video, I would think from that quote that someone just rammed their truck through the crowd out of spite or frustration. Having seen the video, that is not, of course, what happened. That was self-defense. The cops must have seen the video.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2020, 04:59:41 AM
I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 05:07:00 AM
I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder

ONLY because it may help get Trump reelected

Quote
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Thursday evening condemned the actions of rioters who attempted to set fire to a police precinct and blocked the exits while officers were inside.

Peacefully of course


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: makattak on August 07, 2020, 05:07:58 AM
I guess now that the rioters have switched from fed buildings to city buildings, the Portland Mayor has decided they are bad.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder

And yet, he's STILL a mealy-mouthed weasel:

"When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder"

NO. If you commit arson of an occupied building, that's attempted murder. None of this crap about "trapping people inside."

It might sound like I'm being a pedant, but since these... ....leftist politicians.... .... have been trying to say "ATTACKING PROPERTY ISN'T VIOLENCE!"1 it's necessary to make this point. These insurrectionists are trying to kill people EVERY TIME they attempt burning things down.

That they are also attempting to trap people inside is additional malice, not the factor for attempted murder.

1: I suppose I must also note that that's a lie, too. It most certainly is violence.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 05:14:02 AM
How the media is treating this crap reminds of how many of them treated 9-11  and it's gotten way worse since.
They act like we're the ones declaring war, unjustly of course, while completely ignoring the fact the other side already declared war on us some time ago.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on August 07, 2020, 06:17:51 AM
How the media is treating this crap reminds of how many of them treated 9-11  and it's gotten way worse since.
They act like we're the ones declaring war, unjustly of course, while completely ignoring the fact the other side already declared war on us some time ago.
So you're saying some people did something?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 06:43:12 AM
So you're saying some people did something?

MSM: We (The US) did something


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2020, 09:15:15 AM
Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Cliffh on August 07, 2020, 05:49:08 PM
Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520
.

Like the cowardly, & dangerous, animals they are.

My hat's off to the older woman.  She's got bigger balls than I.  I'd have to think long and hard before going out there even with a firearm and a couple knives.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: gunsmith on August 07, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
Another reason that it's about time we just shoot these loudmouth aholes and drive on:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1291740856953835520

well, bullets are getting pricey, rope however is reusable - recycling is good for the earth


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: French G. on August 08, 2020, 07:02:37 AM
You know what’s really wrong with Ted Wheeler? He is not lefty enough. His mayoral challenger is far to the left of him. Hope she wins because with the movies shut down I have lacked good popcorn eating media.  [popcorn]


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 10, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
https://twitter.com/BaldEagle1964/status/1290468970106167296?s=20


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: lee n. field on August 11, 2020, 06:04:12 AM
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Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?
I think part of it is simply democrat politicians thinking they need to play to the mob.  

The other part of me says if they get rid of police, there will be multiple other groups set up to do the same thing only worse with less accountability.  

Possibly it's intentional, and someone thinks they can control and manage it.  Or folks further up the chain want us right where this would get us.

"Ride the tiger, y'all."


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 11, 2020, 06:08:35 AM
Does anybody else suspect that the real motivation behind defunding the police is a prelude to a civil war?

I think it's more a prelude to revolution, something much different than civil war.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 14, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/state-police-pull-troopers-out-of-portland-return-troopers-to-regular-assignments.html

Since the prosecutor is letting rioters go, I don't blame them for leaving.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 16, 2020, 07:33:40 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1294932764475760641


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on August 16, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1294932764475760641

The next tweet down, where they add the "Cops" theme is even more satisfying.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 16, 2020, 09:31:42 AM
The next tweet down, where they add the "Cops" theme is even more satisfying.

Oh, sorry. I thought that was the one I was linking to.  :laugh:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 16, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.ZW_fvdhjvr5nL9IzIQiUBAHaDJ%26pid%3DApi&f=1)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2020, 05:47:24 AM
I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: zxcvbob on August 17, 2020, 06:31:00 AM
I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report



At what point do federal marshals or the FBI go in and arrest Portland government officials for insurrection?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on August 17, 2020, 06:56:09 AM
I know this is a pet peeve of mine that I keep harping on, but run them over. Then run them over again just to make sure.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-turns-violent-brutal-assault-caught-on-video-report




Quote from: Idiot Leftist
What could you possibly need more than 10 rounds in a magazine to defend yourself for?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 17, 2020, 08:34:44 AM
At what point do federal marshals or the FBI go in and arrest Portland government officials for insurrection?

The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.

Brad


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on August 17, 2020, 08:39:25 AM
The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.
Nah, it'll be fine.

Plus, that's the government that they chose to elect.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: zxcvbob on August 17, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
The Fed.Gov would do themselves a favor if they did just that. They are, after all, directly tasked with the protection of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, all of which are being directly threatened by the inaction of Portland's local governance.

Brad

But are they unlawful or just incompetent?  And at what point does willful incompetence become unlawful.  Maybe that's for the courts to decide *after* the arrests are made.

It would probably be better if the state handled it instead of the feds, if they would use a big hammer like removing all the top local officials from office and putting the city under some kind of guardianship.  But the state might be in on the current situation; it's hard to tell from here.

I think this applies to the mayor and the DA in Portland, even if their motive is just stupidity: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383   Lock 'em up.  (searching for a smiley face wearing a judge's wig and banging a gavel)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 17, 2020, 08:52:19 AM
But are they unlawful or just incompetent?  And at what point does willful incompetence become unlawful.

When it's willful. It's called "nonfeasance."


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 21, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
I did not realize the guy whose grandma bought him a "riot vest" was such a key figure in the Portlandia revolt.

https://youtu.be/FZx5QCEMY2Q


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 21, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
I did not realize the guy whose grandma bought him a "riot vest" was such a key figure in the Portlandia revolt.

https://youtu.be/FZx5QCEMY2Q

I didn't realize that vest boy was the self-styled hero who was "protecting" the nekked lady.

Such a gentleman!


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 24, 2020, 01:34:52 PM
That's a good idea. Move all federal services offices to Bend or Medford. In rented space, so if future "peaceful protests" peacefully trash the places, the feds can just set up operations in other rented space in another city.

Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way.  The riots would just follow to those cities.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 24, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way.  The riots would just follow to those cities.

"Methford"


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: JN01 on August 24, 2020, 06:26:37 PM
Bend and Medford are both lefty cities in a major way.  The riots would just follow to those cities.

Reaping what they sow.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
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Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 25, 2020, 05:21:37 AM
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/01/29/an-oregon-trash-pickup-is-part-of-a-conservative-campaign-to-make-liberal-cities-look-like-garbage-dumps/

Um,no. they look like garbage dumps without any help.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 29, 2020, 09:24:09 AM
Apparently they took over Ted Wheeler's condo, and the police don't show up:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protesters-gather-at-portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-s-condo-friday-night-live-updates/ar-BB18uZXC


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on August 29, 2020, 09:25:12 AM
 =D  [popcorn]


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2020, 04:26:05 AM
Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2020, 05:05:05 AM
Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm

Oh how FOX News has fallen.

The framing, the word choices and presuppositions in that "report" are all leftist.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 30, 2020, 05:56:37 AM
Some Trump counter-protestors did a caravan through Portland yesterday. One person shot dead. Little information, but this Fox article suggests the death was on the Trump supporter side (a Patriot Prayer guy). If so, the spin from the looters should be...interesting.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-shooting-leaves-1-dead-as-pro-trump-group-clashes-with-blm

They're doing it wrong.

(https://www.canald.com/polopoly_fs/1.1417510!/image/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 30, 2020, 06:09:11 AM
They're doing it wrong.

https://www.canald.com/polopoly_fs/1.1417510!/image/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg

You're doing it wrong.

(https://nationalinterest.org/files/main_images/fgnjjryjryjr.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 30, 2020, 06:11:02 AM
You're doing it wrong.

(https://nationalinterest.org/files/main_images/fgnjjryjryjr.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2020, 06:11:12 AM
The sight of all that overwhelming love and peace must of have given the hate filled Trump supporter a heart attack. Love trumps hate.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2020, 06:23:03 AM
Feel the love

Quote

    “I am not sad that a f—ing fascist died tonight,” says a woman at the antifa gathering in downtown Portland. The crowd laughs and cheers. The ID of the deceased is not confirmed but he is believed to be a Trump & blue lives supporter. #PortlandRiots pic.twitter.com/XV6471FSuF

    — Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 30, 2020
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/one-dead-in-portland-shooting-after-antifa-trump-supporters-clash-video/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on August 30, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
The rules have, for certain, changed now.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on August 30, 2020, 09:33:48 AM
Feel the love
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/one-dead-in-portland-shooting-after-antifa-trump-supporters-clash-video/


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/4chan-users-appear-identified-portland-rioter-shot-killed-trump-supporter/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 30, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
The Portland shooting was likely in retaliation for the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings in Kenosha.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: French G. on August 30, 2020, 10:13:09 AM
Fing stupid. Trump supporters on the loose in Portland has a 100% chance of optics that harm what they support. Let the other side do their own infomercial and hopefully burn the whole city unopposed. It's going to have to be a lot worse before Susie McPrius can no longer make excuses for them.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Fing stupid. Trump supporters on the loose in Portland has a 100% chance of optics that harm what they support. Let the other side do their own infomercial and hopefully burn the whole city unopposed. It's going to have to be a lot worse before Susie McPrius can no longer make excuses for them.

That's kinda where my thinking is. Just leave them to their own devices and let them destroy themselves. They've already been proving sensible people right in that the rioting didn't at all slow down after the feds pulled out.

Just let it burn. Maybe at some point enough leftists will be affected that they start whining to "do something!". As long as it's feds and conservatives being harmed, the riots are good. If there are no feds or conservatives around, the rioters are still gonna riot against whoever is left.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on August 30, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
Some on the left are saying the decadent was pulling out some pepper spray first and that the shooter was not being threatening therefore the shooting was self-defense. 

That's likely a lie, but if true wouldn't it be self-defense?

I mean if someone is trying to incapacitate me I would have to assume he is willing to do worse to me, therefore I would have the right to defend myself.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on August 30, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
That can work both ways.  If the decedent was pulling out pepper spray, it could also have been in self-defense.  It may have been the only thing he had to defend himself against the guy with the gun.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
The people in the cities have made their choice, they have charted their course.

They have chosen their leaders.

I can see no point in sending good men into harms way to restore order to places where the people and their leaders have overtly rejected order.

Let them have what they desire.


“Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.”


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
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Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2020, 07:06:39 AM
This has become an all too familiar pattern

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   The #antifa investigated for shooting the Portland Trump supporter is Michael Reinoehl. Last month he was arrested at another antifa riot for illegally carrying a loaded gun. He was let go. He then went on to allegedly kill Aaron Danielson.

    My latest:https://t.co/r6rFxqjZ4P

    — Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 31, 2020
Quote
   Someone needs to investigate on how felony possession of a firearm by a convicted felon was dropped. Was his bail paid for by the team @KamalaHarris was endorsing?

    — Branden Leon (@Branden_Leon) August 31, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/08/31/blood-on-their-hands-alleged-shooter-of-portland-trump-supporter-is-antifa-member-previously-arrested-for-illegally-carrying-loaded-gun-they-let-him-go/

Them: But But we need more gun laws!
Me: We need to enforce the laws we have.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2020, 09:00:06 AM
Them: But But we need more gun laws!
Me: We need to enforce the laws we have.

We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fifth_column on August 31, 2020, 09:09:15 AM
We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.

The first half of that statement is essentially the antifa goal . . . .


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.

They like having a grab bag of laws to pick and choose from whichever ones are useful to them at a particular time.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 31, 2020, 11:34:58 AM
We need to get rid of the laws if we are not going to enforce them.

Oh they're being enforced...against you.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
The people in the cities have made their choice, they have charted their course.

They have chosen their leaders.

I can see no point in sending good men into harms way to restore order to places where the people and their leaders have overtly rejected order.

Let them have what they desire.


“Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.”

I heard a reminder today that the Oregon state police pulled out of Portland because the local DA was refusing to prosecute people they were arresting. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
They like having a grab bag of laws to pick and choose from whichever ones are useful to them at a particular time.
If they can't be dictators and do whatever they want, then they will have so many laws they can still do whatever they want.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2020, 05:19:47 PM
Are they *expletive deleted*ing serious?!?!?!?

This has to be the most blatant gaslighting that I've seen yet. Pretty balsy, considering how much documentation there is that the opposite has been happening for weeks.

Quote
Joe Biden condemns violence in Portland and challenges President Trump to do the same https://cnn.it/31LNeMJ

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/31/fact-check-cnn-reports-joe-biden-condemns-portland-violence-challenges-president-trump-to-do-the-same/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on August 31, 2020, 06:25:37 PM
As a member of Trump's right wing militia secret police, I promise to stop violently getting attacked by Aunty Fuh, and I apologize for stealing her mailbox. I promise from now on I'll just do peaceful stuff, like burning buildings, attacking people for driving on public roads, and the occasional random murder.



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 01, 2020, 05:22:57 AM
Head of DHS is done messing around.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-wheeler-feds-dhs-chad-wolf-letter

Message (summarized): All you have to do is ask and we'll be happy to assist in you getting your *expletive deleted*it together. If you can't or won't, we'll step in and get it together for you.

Brad


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 01, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Sheriffs in Oregon blast governor Brown and Portland mayor Wheeler:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/oregon-sheriffs-rip-governor-portland-violence



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 01, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
Head of DHS is done messing around.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-wheeler-feds-dhs-chad-wolf-letter

Message (summarized): All you have to do is ask and we'll be happy to assist in you getting your *expletive deleted*it together. If you can't or won't, we'll step in and get it together for you.

Brad

I kinda wish he wouldn't have sent it. I was fine when Trump first sent in feds using my tax dollars. Portland and Oregon made their position on that clear. They wanted to be on their own. Now they are. Sending feds in again is just wasting tax dollars.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on September 01, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
And gives them more ammo to blame Trump.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2020, 11:20:52 AM
And gives them more ammo to blame Trump.

Trump does nothing it's all Trump's fault
Trump does something it's all Trump's fault


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on September 01, 2020, 12:51:29 PM
Once again, appeasing the mob doesn't work.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Once again, appeasing the mob doesn't work.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/

That's okay, insurance will pay for.....part of it.

Considering the fact the mayor's condo is in there bet several police officers were thinking "burn baby burn"


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 01, 2020, 02:35:29 PM
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Police initially “stayed out of sight and monitored the situation from a distance” in a bid to “de-escalate” any violence — even as windows were smashed and graffiti daubed on numerous walls, the force said.
I think I see the problem here.  Hanging back doesn't "de-escalate" anything with these people.  The unwillingness to use force to suppress the mobs and prosecute them is the problem.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on September 01, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
I think I see the problem here.  Hanging back doesn't "de-escalate" anything with these people.  The unwillingness to use force to suppress the mobs and prosecute them is the problem.

With a DA that will just let them go and a mayor and governor that refused help from the National guard, I can't really blame the police for not engaging. I might just walk away.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 01, 2020, 03:26:47 PM
Will John Gault be a cop?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on September 01, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
Who is John Gault?


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 01, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
Who is John Gault?

Ask your mom


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on September 01, 2020, 03:47:45 PM
I'll need a Ouija board then.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
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    “If Trump wanted to end the violence in American cities, he could simply go on his Twitter feed and tell his supporters to go home,” @JoyAnnReid says. “Trump is openly doing the opposite, encouraging more violence.”https://t.co/kFMylnwpFW
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/joy-reid-says-president-trump-could-stop-the-rioting-if-hed-simply-tweet-to-his-supporters-to-go-home/

    — MSNBC (@MSNBC) September 1, 2020

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 01, 2020, 03:57:15 PM
I'd like to see him do that just to watch the violence continue unabated with no Trump supporters to blame.

 =D


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2020, 04:01:16 PM
She's not done

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    Trump supporters are acting like “Muslims act.” – Joy Reid, President of the Tolerant Left ™️pic.twitter.com/BQgKBwgEoL

    — Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) September 1, 2020
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=53171.3725;num_replies=3736

 :facepalm:  :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm:


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 01, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
She's not done
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=53171.3725;num_replies=3736

 :facepalm:  :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm: :rofl: :facepalm:

Interesting, since it seems to be the antifa and BLM jackasses that are destroying historical statues like the Taliban do.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2020, 05:27:31 PM
MSM & Dems: There are no riots, everything is peaceful. All is well.
Also MSM & Dems: The riots are all Trump's fault and are tearing the country apart


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: just Warren on September 01, 2020, 06:01:34 PM
And then there's this video (https://youtu.be/4dD-dNohQeE) that shows Dems and the left calling for violence.

And have been for months, yet they and the media say it's Trump that is causing the violence.

Riots for moths and they say nothing, but Trump supporters have one rally and it's "white supremacists invading and trying to destroy Portland!"

A Trump supporter is straight up murdered in cold blood by a BLM/antifa terrorist and it's Trump's fault. Also the guy deserved it because reasons.

But some kid defends himself from the same kind of mob and he's a white supremacist domestic terrorist. And Trump is directly responsible for his actions. 



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on September 01, 2020, 07:57:45 PM
Quote
    “If Trump wanted to end the violence in American cities, he could simply go on his Twitter feed and tell his supporters to go home,” @JoyAnnReid says. “Trump is openly doing the opposite, encouraging more violence.”https://t.co/kFMylnwpFW
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/01/joy-reid-says-president-trump-could-stop-the-rioting-if-hed-simply-tweet-to-his-supporters-to-go-home/

    — MSNBC (@MSNBC) September 1, 2020

I think when she says "tell his supporters to go home," she means back to Nazi Germany, so the peaceful black and brown people of color can peacefully protest in peaceful peace.  ;/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 05, 2020, 08:42:06 PM
What was the Rochester live feed switched to Portland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIrgsQzV5U


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 06, 2020, 05:52:30 AM
We need more dancing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ron on September 06, 2020, 06:45:26 AM
Portland on the ground.

This whole antifa thing is bizarre.

These guys were in Portland in the hiring process for the Police Dept there and got caught by a protest that flipped to a riot.

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We get 11 blocks down the road and this black Chevy Impala is ghosting us down the street, he’s kind of been in our shadow since block two or three He rolls his window down and starts asking us a bunch of questions. Why are we here, what are we doing, telling us we need to get the *expletive deleted*ck out of here, asking us where our car is etc., we pretty much told him to get the *expletive deleted*ck away from us because we didn’t know who he was. I finally asked him at one point, Who the *expletive deleted*ck are you, man, you need to leave us alone, and he was like I’m the *expletive deleted*ing police, bro, who are you? So he pulled his car over and he and his partner talked to us. He was one of the special programs guys, either with SWAT or SRT or whatever. He was the one that yelled at me not to reach, and tried to help us out. He said he knew that we’ve been pepper sprayed and we’re having trouble seeing, I kind of snapped at him, Like hey mother *expletive deleted*er, You’ve been watching this whole thing *expletive deleted*ing unfold and you didn’t intervene at all or light the crowd up or something? He started laughing and he was like, Man, if I got out and tried to help you guys, my *expletive deleted*ing car would be on fire right now, and I’d be running next to you.



https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=24e17f851dda927f0a541cfdb2ac594191671300-1599403175-0-Afoyop6bhjTkdow4xtFj6JQ03LQVrCRinc7LhpZerh3qfN25aaKMC7gmrt9Tsq6t4v78HtsFtTVLN5bMesfZoKlBmpGto1aqe-amfUv1nqQbDnRCmA8UP0Oi8DhYk39W6Eiin2e1ID7GzVFaW2knwqYkcqv86THTVOud2-yOc0ymZihj06lnSRzre74ZW_TXKkHtiUT2pog9M014lgUmYrtFlprpAlT6_eYN-sIWKsC_hnmbo28DcsNfiu2So5w-8GDXZZFmUXoPmy8cPJfxj-I_u-g8lOQxS5BX-6b5AJ0_fZtWmq3HJxFnPsfglHZ9pA

(wow, that's a long link!)



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2020, 07:09:00 AM
We need more dancing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073

With Commentary   :rofl:  

https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1302476915203141632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 06, 2020, 08:15:05 AM
I guess it's getting too common to start a new thread for every city. This is apparently in Dallas. Maybe coming to another red state near you.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/09/06/most-terrifying-moment-of-my-life-joe-biden-mob-blm-chases-and-peacefully-throws-bottles-at-brandon-straka-team-watch/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2020, 08:35:10 AM
(https://e.lvme.me/dimsjfl.jpg)


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on September 06, 2020, 10:52:32 AM
We need more dancing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073

That fella was really hotfootin' it, Jack!


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RocketMan on September 06, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
Stop, drop and roll wasn't doing much good for him.  Too bad.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
Stop, drop and roll wasn't doing much good for him.  Too bad.

Neither was that garbage can lid that guy kept trying to beat out the flames with


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 06, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Neither was that garbage can lid that guy kept trying to beat out the flames with
I guess people do stupid things under stress, but I wondering what that idiot thought he was doing.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Jim147 on September 06, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
They don't think. That is the problem.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2020, 07:55:40 AM
White People speaking out for blacks by harassing blacks. I will say, if it wasn't for the color of her skin, they wouldn't have let her through. Good on her for standing up to the basement dwellers though. Once again, if it was me, it would have been gas pedal time.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/07/the-most-2020-thing-so-far-portland-mob-tried-to-prevent-a-black-woman-from-driving-down-the-street-guess-who-won-this-brief-standoff-video/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 07, 2020, 11:23:20 AM
White People speaking out for blacks by harassing blacks. I will say, if it wasn't for the color of her skin, they wouldn't have let her through. Good on her for standing up to the basement dwellers though. Once again, if it was me, it would have been gas pedal time.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/07/the-most-2020-thing-so-far-portland-mob-tried-to-prevent-a-black-woman-from-driving-down-the-street-guess-who-won-this-brief-standoff-video/
Looked like a few of them were smart enough to realize how it looked.  Also, a few others can't help but call her the N-word showing the real racists are on the left.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 07, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
We need more dancing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302476966801539073

I did notice that it looks like the evil police were the ones that actually brought up a fire extinguisher and de-flamed the the anti-cop protester.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2020, 05:48:10 AM
Now Pittsburgh. "Police are investigating". Translation: You're on your own.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/08/thugs-president-trump-calls-out-blm-protesters-in-pittsburgh/


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on September 08, 2020, 06:50:30 AM
Oooh, he said thugs. One of those words that's conveniently only racist if someone is criticizing BLM.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on September 10, 2020, 06:24:42 AM
I'm hearing rumors that the fires in the I-5 corridor are arson, and being started by antifa.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 10, 2020, 07:38:21 AM
I'm hearing rumors that the fires in the I-5 corridor are arson, and being started by antifa.

Already caught a few red handed.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 10, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/10/its-literally-coming-from-inside-the-house-legislative-director-for-oregons-house-speaker-d-arrested-at-antifa-riot-in-portland-pic/

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I said this months ago.

The reason Democrats can't denounce Antifa is because THEIR STAFF IS ANTIFA.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 10, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
Now Pittsburgh. "Police are investigating". Translation: You're on your own.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/08/thugs-president-trump-calls-out-blm-protesters-in-pittsburgh/

Yeah, but ...

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    WTAE: Pittsburgh police investigate after videos surface of protesters clashing with the public https://t.co/mlcQ43rz8o

    — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) September 7, 2020

... they were "mostly peaceful" clashes, so it's all cool.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2020, 10:35:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=levJfMgNeY4&feature=youtu.be

Decide if you agree or not.  Timcast says the Feds deputized local LEO's and are prosecuting rioters in federal court.  Protests are becoming more peaceful for some reason. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on September 10, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
Already caught a few red handed.

Red-handed or flame-footed, as long they're caught.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2020, 05:05:23 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/oregon-officials-squash-rumors-that-far-right-far-left-are-setting-the-fires-ravaging-the-state/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0MjVDop8k2d0t3M7dpjzKd70qskds5G0NwR3AKPw31ysZRX5fKnE4WD74#Echobox=1599798364


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: makattak on September 11, 2020, 05:36:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=levJfMgNeY4&feature=youtu.be

Decide if you agree or not.  Timcast says the Feds deputized local LEO's and are prosecuting rioters in federal court.  Protests are becoming more peaceful for some reason.  

When a locality is in rebellion and refuses to enforce the laws, this is likely the least intrusive thing the federal government can do to protect its citizens.

Additionally, while I'd prefer the federal government didn't have laws that should be left to the state, they do. It really seems this part of the fight (which no one here has taken up, I do note) is a rather foolish one. Concerns about Federal laws should be dealt with at the passing of those laws, not the enforcement of them.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 14, 2020, 11:06:44 AM
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Profile photo, opens profile page on Twitter in a new tab
Ed Markey
@SenMarkey
Portland police routinely attack peaceful protestors with brute force. We must disarm these officers, and every other police department in America, of weapons of war, and enact a nationwide ban on tear gas, rubber and plastic bullets, and bean bag rounds.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/14/insane-idiocy-dem-sen-ed-markey-wants-to-strip-every-police-department-in-america-of-nonlethal-tools-and-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/

So just lethal force then? Got it.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 14, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
I am surprised they don't demand the officers have their hands tied behind their back also. 


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: fistful on September 14, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
I am surprised they don't demand the officers have their hands tied behind their back also. 

The officers could at least kneel and apologize for being white.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 16, 2020, 05:36:56 AM
Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html

I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting.  Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail.  An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: bedlamite on September 16, 2020, 06:29:56 AM
Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html

I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting.  Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail.  An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.



When the DA won't bring charges and just lets everyone go, there will be no bail.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/08/12/liberal-da-announces-hell-will-not-prosecute-many-of-the-arrested-rioters-portlan-n2574203


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on September 16, 2020, 06:36:54 AM
Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html

I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting.  Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail.  An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.




That's in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Different state, different side of the country...



Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2020, 06:50:49 AM
Judge sets bail to $1 million for Lancaster protesters; Lt. Gov. Fetterman calls it 'unconstitutional'
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/judge-sets-bail-to-1-million-for-lancaster-protesters-lt-gov-fetterman-calls-it-unconstitutional/article_559d0ee6-f761-11ea-bc14-033258e21d5e.html

I think PA stumbled upon a way to shut down the rioting.  Don't immediately let the ones arrested for serious charges back out of jail.  An actual speedy trial would be helpful also but that seems impossible these days.



[Devil's Advocate]

Then what would you consider to be "excessive bail" then?  At least one of those charged is a 20 year old student at a public university.  She doesn't have $1 million dollars.  Odds are she doesn't even have the 10% that is normally a bail bondman's cut.  The judge effectively remanded them without bail.

If that was the judges intention due to the seriousness of the felony, then the judge should have just done that.

Bail is supposed to be set low enough you can actually pay it, but high enough that you are unlikely to write it off and run. The idea is the accused can leave jail to live and work until they are found guilty or not. Setting bail at more then the accused is likely to make in the next decade combined seems pretty unreasonable.

[/Devil's Advocate]


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: TommyGunn on September 16, 2020, 06:56:51 AM
Somebody needs to shoot the devil .....  [tinfoil] :angel:   .....  >:D


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2020, 07:08:37 AM
I wonder if the fact that celebrities and ideological supporters are fronting bail money was factored in.  That is to say, if there is a large fund that is specifically intended to be used to free rioters so they can go back to rioting after being arrested, setting bail amounts as though the accused were using only their own money, or cared if the money was returned may not be effective.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2020, 07:21:17 AM
Dogmush's reasoning is one of the first things that popped into my mind. While I am happy they are finally doing something about these jackasses, I was also thinking, "What if it was an armed protest of gun owners in a radically left area?" A judge there could do the same $1mil thing advocating from the bench. I always think about the "Reid Rule" and how that stuff can backfire depending on who's in charge.

Then I also read what Cordex wrote, and can't help but wonder if the celebrity bail funds and other factors played into it.

These are people that are clearly destroying things, and the idiots even record themselves doing it. So innocent until proven guilty, but once they get to court, guilt will likely be easy to prove. So  I guess we have to ask, how do we get them to court? How do we assure speedy trials? How do we make sure they don't get a slap on the wrist? Given the latter, we see many of these people have already gotten multiple slaps on the wrist and it's not a deterrent.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 16, 2020, 07:31:46 AM
I don't really disagree with dogmush.  $1 Million is excessive even though arson is a very serious crime.  It might be better to withhold bail for a short time until an initial hearing to evaluate the case.  That bail amount might be more reasonable if it was shown the person was let go and then did the same crime again.  They also did not say what the other riot related charges are. 

I do think the solution to the bail problem would be a speedy trial.  I don't know how we could do that.  The system seems to be set up to slow things down.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: TommyGunn on September 16, 2020, 07:36:15 AM
Dogmush does make a good point.   My "shoot the devil" comment was sarcasm,  as I hope was indicated by the smilies.

One million $$$  may be excessive,  but bail should HURT.    Just not be IMPOSSIBLE.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: Mike Irwin on September 16, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
Given the seriousness of the charges, I think the magistrate in question should re-examine the bail issue...

And order them remanded without bail.

Problem solved.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2020, 07:58:28 AM
I would think that in the case of folks organizing protests, or folks like the shooter in Portland where they are in for the third time on the same charge while waiting on the first court date, or arsonists out west the answer is to remand without bail.

You don't HAVE to give someone bail, but if you do, it can't be excessive.  Give them the speedy trial they are entitled to and move on.

IANAL, so maybe there is some court precedent that I am unaware of that limits the ability of a judge to hold a person without bail, but if there is, that's the issue, and backdoor remanding by bails they can't pay is not the answer.

Cordex's point is valid as far as it goes, but I'm not sure how much hand waving "someone rich will help them" we want to use to justify bails.  Rich sponsors are always an issue in revelations.

Some comparison bails I could look up real quick:

MLK Jr., Birmingham, 1967 $5000 ($38,909.88 in 2020 dollars)  [I'm sure this is how they see themselves.]
OJ Simpson, LA, 1994 $10,000,000 ($17,538,326.59 in 2020)
George Zimmerman, Orlando, 2012 $150,000 then $1,000,000 (second bail amount was after it was discovered that he had failed to disclose $150,000 in donations* in the first hearing) ($169,811.49-$1,132,076.62 in 2020 dollars)

So what's "excessive"?

*There's Cordex's answer.  If there's an active GoFundMe with a quarter mil in it, the judge may be spot on.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 16, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
[Devil's Advocate]

Then what would you consider to be "excessive bail" then?  At least one of those charged is a 20 year old student at a public university.  She doesn't have $1 million dollars.  Odds are she doesn't even have the 10% that is normally a bail bondman's cut.  The judge effectively remanded them without bail.

If that was the judges intention due to the seriousness of the felony, then the judge should have just done that.

Bail is supposed to be set low enough you can actually pay it, but high enough that you are unlikely to write it off and run. The idea is the accused can leave jail to live and work until they are found guilty or not. Setting bail at more then the accused is likely to make in the next decade combined seems pretty unreasonable.

[/Devil's Advocate]

Not even Devil's Advocate; you articulated the core ethics and spirit of bail in a liberty based justice system as they should be.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2020, 09:46:48 AM
*There's Cordex's answer.  If there's an active GoFundMe with a quarter mil in it, the judge may be spot on.
Back in June it was reported that Minnesota Freedom Fund received $20 million in donations to help pay protester's bail, to the point that they had to tell people to stop donating and pointed donations elsewhere.  There are plenty of other national and local funds set up to do the same sort of thing.

These kinds of funds would not be raised specifically for a given person as was the case for Zimmerman, which may cloud the issue.


Title: Re: Portland ...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 16, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
The bail should be high enough they don't try to miss their court date.  But it shouldn't be designed to tie up all the money someone has.  I didn't understand the Zimmerman donation part.  

An example of absurdly high bail for no reason was after the Twin Peaks biker shooting in Waco, TX a few years ago.  The cops arrested nearly 200 people and the judge slapped $1,000,000 bail amounts on almost all of them.  Most of the people arrested were not involved in the shooting.  A number of people were stuck in jail over a year or two because they couldn't afford to pay a bail bond.  (they never did convict anyone over the incident)  I think lawsuits are pending on that one.