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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 11:48:48 PM
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I put this in politics due to some states doing a complete political agenda on opening.
Our school opens 08-31-2020. The earliest it ever has.
What is your area doing?
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Still September 15th here.
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We start Tuesday, as do most AZ schools
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Sept 3rd, last I heard.
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No kids, no clue, no cares.
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I'm told that staff and teachers went back yesterday, and students will have their first day on Aug 24.
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My grand niece starts in 20AUG in the LA metro area. That district is still unsure of what they're doing for remote vs in-person. My nephew in law told me a bunch of parents, including him, have formed "mini-schools" in which they will hire teachers themselves to tutor smaller groups of their kids in-person at homes or wherever if the schools don't go back to in-person.
Apparently a big problem there has been that the schools have been doing virtual classrooms that entail sending the kids a bunch of homework but not providing teacher resources to help them, and the parents, without any guidance as to what the school wants, have no idea how to help their kids with their lessons.
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My daughter is a teacher in a large metro school district here in Oklahoma. They go back either next week or the week after. So far they have not finalized just how they are going to do it as to in person, virtual and/or a combination there of.
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A younger friend across town told me the [public] school his daughter is in is going to open, but instead of classrooms they are going to put all the kids in the gymnasium. The floor will be taped off into boxes, and each kid will not be allowed to leave his/her assigned box except at recess. Masks will be mandatory, and there will be mask and box
police monitors patrolling the gymnasium and the playground.
I'm having difficulty imagining a more dystopian image of "school."
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That is quite a bit more dystopian and dysfunctional than anything I've heard about here.
Our local school district made virtual school available for any parent that wanted it, and is moving desks 6 feet apart in the classrooms for kids that are going to school. According to their plan masks will be mandatory "when social distancing is not possible " so I guess moving between classes and lunch/recess?
We might actually get the smaller class sizes everyone has wanted for so long.
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Combo of in person and online classes
The teachers are busy putting themselves up on crosses decrying how dangerous it is🙄
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Combo of in person and online classes
The teachers are busy putting themselves up on crosses decrying how dangerous it is🙄
Yeah, this recent, "We're making out our wills" stuff is just stupid. Why haven't you already done this pre-virus if you care about your families, dummies?
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School district just decided to go online only to start,, and will reevaluate as they go. Teachers are a mix of "we'll die if we go back" and "open it up so I can be back with my studebts." Both of my sons are college students. Oldest attends Miami University in Ohio. They are going online knky to at least Sept. 21, no students allowed on campus. Youngest is a new student at University of Cincinnati, and he moves into his dorm on August 16. A week of band camp (he's a marching band nerd), with classes starting a week later. Will be a mix of online and in person.
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A younger friend across town told me the [public] school his daughter is in is going to open, but instead of classrooms they are going to put all the kids in the gymnasium. The floor will be taped off into boxes, and each kid will not be allowed to leave his/her assigned box except at recess. Masks will be mandatory, and there will be mask and box police monitors patrolling the gymnasium and the playground.
I'm having difficulty imagining a more dystopian image of "school."
It will prepare them for a career as a cubicle drone.
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It will prepare them for a career as a cubicle drone.
That's what he's afraid of.
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Since many parts of Washington are considered hot spots right now, in the majority of the urban counties in Western Washington, the county health officer has recommended remote instruction only to start, and the schools are following suit. My wife's district is continuing the remote instruction they started back in March. My wife is not happy with this insofar as she believes that face to face, especially with elementary school students, is important for engagement, support and being able to figure out problems with the kids and how to solve them. This is all much more difficult over Zoom. A lot of the local colleges and universities are also starting with remote instruction.
PS: My wife's district also has a school bond levy up this fall, and the general consensus now with the schools not opening, there is no way in heck the levy will pass.
PPS: On the local FB pages, I am amused to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth from some teachers about imminent death if school were to open; my colleagues and I go to work every day to take care of sick people. Although admittedly you will see a lot of the same wailing and gnashing of teeth from the healthcare staff, too.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tCh1bndv/A4-F39-DA5-226-A-4-CB3-9732-4-D4500-D78692.jpg)
I saw this *expletive deleted*ing bullshit posted today by a far leftie I know. They seem to have forgotten it was them who have long pushed for schools to take the role of parents...plus no school system in this country is underfunded by a cent. Administrations sucking up that money before it gets to the classroom? Yes, lots of that going on. But throwing more money at that will only enrichen those already profiting off the system, not make it better for the students and teachers
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Exactly how much money is all that going to take? Can they answer that? I think whatever answer anyone else comes up with will never been enough.
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Well, Arizona is consistantly at the @$$ end of school funding for quite a while. We have a rotation with Arkansas and Mississippi for last place. 2008 was the high dollar mark for funding in the last 12 years--that figure is NOT adjusted for inflation either.
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^^Why do you think that is for Arizona? Is it all the retirees without children that don't want to pay for schools?
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^^Why do you think that is for Arizona? Is it all the retirees without children that don't want to pay for schools?
Yup
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As difficult as this period may be, perhaps this is the time for parents to take back control of their children's educations from the Left-wing monster now razing our public schools.
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As difficult as this period may be, perhaps this is the time for parents to take back control of their children's educations from the Left-wing monster now razing our public schools.
De funding random institutions is popular these days...
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I've seen some articles talking about how this will leave certain kids at a disadvantage as some schools open and others don't. Wonder how long until the left starts really using this.
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The think what has got me the most is the places not opening schools but are going to use the schools as daycare centers up to ten hours a day and have adults there to help the kids do their online classes. You mean like a school?
All the teachers unions crying they will all die if they open must be so much more important than the lady that rings me up at the grocery store every two weeks.
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The think what has got me the most is the places not opening schools but are going to use the schools as daycare centers up to ten hours a day and have adults there to help the kids do their online classes. You mean like a school?
All the teachers unions crying they will all die if they open must be so much more important than the lady that rings me up at the grocery store every two weeks.
My wife's daycare is setting up "zoom rooms" for parents that have older kids and can't stay home while the kids are "distance-learning." So, instead of physically going to school with teachers, they're going to physically go to a different school with teachers.
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My wife's daycare is setting up "zoom rooms" for parents that have older kids and can't stay home while the kids are "distance-learning." So, instead of physically going to school with teachers, they're going to physically go to a different school with teachers.
Welcome to clownworld.
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My kids' school was one of the first in our state to shut down. They've been back at school since last week.
Masks are required at all times except when eating or during "mask breaks" where the kid goes to an assigned spot separate from other kids. Some things done outside the classroom have been restructured (for example, recess is segregated by class to isolate groups potentially exposed to infection). Parents and volunteers are no longer allowed in the school past the office.
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As difficult as this period may be, perhaps this is the time for parents to take back control of their children's educations from the Left-wing monster now razing our public schools.
What is this "monster" you speak of? As a 31 year teaching veteran, and a mostly conservative Libertarian, I haven't experienced it in the public schools.
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This is yet another of the evidence that the powers that be know this is a sham.
IF it's too dangerous to open the schools, daycares should also be shut down.
The fact that they are just turning the schools into daycares1 pretty much proves they know this disease isn't dangerous to children and that children generally aren't vectors for the disease, as every other country on earth has already shown.2
It's of a piece with the "ruling class" holding themselves to different standards for funerals and other "political" gatherings. It seems the ruling class is willing to sacrifice ANYTHING to stop the virus... anything, that is, that matters to the peons but nothing that matters to them.
That's telling.
1: well, aside from finally being honest about what their sole purpose is
2: this is hyperbole, but not by much
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This is similar to what I mentioned above that people where my nephew in law lives are doing:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/02/life-finds-a-way-bay-area-angel-investor-is-hiring-a-teacher-for-his-backyard-micro-school/
An interesting aside is the mention of taxes. Why am I paying the full amount of taxes for closed schools? My insurance company reduced my rates because they figured I'm not driving as much due to the COVID. If schools are closed, even if they continue to pay teachers and operational staff, there must be a bunch of stuff they're not paying for during closure. Seems like a ten percent or so discount on property taxes (payment amount) would be fair. Perhaps more, since I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff not being done right now besides schools that my taxes pay for.
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What is this "monster" you speak of? As a 31 year teaching veteran, and a mostly conservative Libertarian, I haven't experienced it in the public schools.
Yeah, sure, there are no problems.
Did you decide to take my comment as an attack on all teachers everywhere?
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This is similar to what I mentioned above that people where my nephew in law lives are doing:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/02/life-finds-a-way-bay-area-angel-investor-is-hiring-a-teacher-for-his-backyard-micro-school/
An interesting aside is the mention of taxes. Why am I paying the full amount of taxes for closed schools? My insurance company reduced my rates because they figured I'm not driving as much due to the COVID. If schools are closed, even if they continue to pay teachers and operational staff, there must be a bunch of stuff they're not paying for during closure. Seems like a ten percent or so discount on property taxes (payment amount) would be fair. Perhaps more, since I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff not being done right now besides schools that my taxes pay for.
There's mixed reports of schools opening later here in AZ. My son's charter elementary is opening on the 17th instead of August 4th. All the "Red for Ed" people are out there getting hyperbolic with ridiculous TIKIWIKI signs predicting death and destruction if they go back to school without massive funding increases. I've got libertarian friends up in Scottsdale with access to a spontaneous free market micro-school tutor environment. Doesn't seem to be particularly available here in the Mesa area though.
All the teachers need to be very, very careful with their push for delayed starts and online curriculum though. The wolf is showing through the sheepskin costume, and people are seeing it. Teachers can't be "essential" if there's a State provided curriculum, no lecture/seminar, and student participation is online only. There will be a massive teacher headcount cut, and probably a drastic reduction in onsite attendance at High Schools when things do return to normal. Those massive quasi-prison institutional buildings mislabeled as "schools" will be at half capacity.
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At my local college most (but not all) of the professors are convinced that opening up campus in the fall is going to be a disaster.
They are convinced (and are planning for) making it online only again.
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https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1286101415241318401
Keeping colleges closed this fall is far more likely to stop the spread of communism than it is to stop the spread of COVID.
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What is this "monster" you speak of? As a 31 year teaching veteran, and a mostly conservative Libertarian, I haven't experienced it in the public schools.
You must be located in fly-over country.
Teachers and administrators in my corner of the world are all squarely in the indoctrination camp mode.
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Edna ISD students head back to class for face-to-face and remote learning
https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/edna-isd-heads-back-to-class-for-face-to-face-and-remote-learning/285-0b073625-5253-4ded-98b4-18ebee045eb2
“I don’t know that October corona season is going to be any different than August corona season," O'Connor said.
Edna, TX is a farming community hours from major cities. Not too far from Shiner, TX I think.
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I teach an evening course at my local community college.
We're being told that any classes which can fully go online will, and any that have in-person labs will be hybrid classes. Online classroom portion, labs in person.
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Yeah, sure, there are no problems.
Did you decide to take my comment as an attack on all teachers everywhere?
No I didn't. Apologize if I made it seem so. Rather I think the liberal thinking comes from colleges and universities, not in elementary or secondary schools.
Yes there are problems, and funding is a big part of it. I think another is the needlessly long summer breaks. I would love to go year-round school. Lets go 11 weeks with a 1 week Fall break. Then another with two weeks off for a winter break. 11 more weeks with a one week spring break. 11 more weeks with 4 weeks of summer. Allows almost 25 percent more learning time but still has breaks for family travel and togetherness.
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No I didn't. Apologize if I made it seem so. Rather I think the liberal thinking comes from colleges and universities, not in elementary or secondary schools.
Yes there are problems, and funding is a big part of it. I think another is the needlessly long summer breaks. I would love to go year-round school. Lets go 11 weeks with a 1 week Fall break. Then another with two weeks off for a winter break. 11 more weeks with a one week spring break. 11 more weeks with 4 weeks of summer. Allows almost 25 percent more learning time but still has breaks for family travel and togetherness.
The first hand experience of my daughter, the elementary school teacher, tends to be at odds with your experience.
Being that she is in a large metro school district may have something to do with that.
As to your year round schedule, what may work for metro and suburban school districts may not work in rural and small town schools where a large percentage of the students still come from family farms and work those family farms during the summer.
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Rather I think the liberal thinking comes from colleges and universities, not in elementary or secondary schools.
It may be worse in colleges and universities, but I definitely see leftist values pushed in my kids' elementary and we live in a relatively conservative suburb. It certainly varies some from teacher to teacher, but the general ideology that is communicated to the kids is that of the left.
Yes there are problems, and funding is a big part of it.
The best funded school districts in my state have hands down the worst performance.
I'm not saying that you wouldn't enjoy or don't deserve a pay raise, or that you couldn't do more with better facilities or equipment, or that kids wouldn't enjoy bigger gyms or fancier football fields, but the actual educational performance of schools is largely independent of funding - whether spent on instruction or support. I believe it has far more to do with community culture. Schools with large populations of students whose families do not put an emphasis on respectful behavior and education (in that order) suck no matter how much money we throw at them. Schools with large populations of students whose families value discipline and education do remarkably well on a shoestring.
I think another is the needlessly long summer breaks.
Our school has a year round calendar. It's fine, but I don't think it significantly impacts academic performance.
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Our school has a year round calendar. It's fine, but I don't think it significantly impacts academic performance.
But do you still have 36 weeks of school as most year rounds do? Many year rounds just spread the breaks. My proposal has 44 weeks of instruction
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TIKIWIKI???
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But do you still have 36 weeks of school as most year rounds do? Many year rounds just spread the breaks. My proposal has 44 weeks of instruction
Man, teenage me would've hated you.
Summer was an institution. As teen I had a job every summer along with doing farm stuff. Year round school would've wrecked that.
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TIKIWIKI???
I had the same question.
Dunno how it fits this context, but https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TikiWiki
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We have pre k to 12 in one school here it will be interesting how they handle no parents in the school since all pre k and k kids need to be taken to class by an adult.
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TIKIWIKI???
TEOTWAWKI
The End Of The World As We Know It.
When mocked, typically referred to as TIKIWIKI.
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Man, teenage me would've hated you.
Summer was an institution. As teen I had a job every summer along with doing farm stuff. Year round school would've wrecked that.
I'm used the hate! Embrace it--feel the power of the Dark Side
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I'm kind of amazed that TIKIWIKI isn't in Urban Dictionary. I created an account there and added it, but it has to go through peer voting to be added for public view.
Search it here on APS. Used by MillCreek, Charby and others quite frequently.
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Man, teenage me would've hated you.
Summer was an institution. As teen I had a job every summer along with doing farm stuff. Year round school would've wrecked that.
Can't have teenagers learning about things like a good work ethic, being self sufficient or other things that decrease the mindset of dependance on the government. Indoctrination works better when it is constantly reinforced.
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First Day of School! Man, I am beat from brainwashing our youth!
https://youtu.be/xhf6K9_ort4?t=37 (https://youtu.be/xhf6K9_ort4?t=37)
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Can't have teenagers learning about things like a good work ethic, being self sufficient or other things that decrease the mindset of dependance on the government. Indoctrination works better when it is constantly reinforced.
Crazy how that works >:D
Gonna sound like a boomer, but I LIVED for summer. My job paid for my car, guns, dates with girls and I even saved a bit. School was basically prison from Sept to June.
Hell, looking back, I'd have bailed at 16,taken the GED and went straight to the military. The last two years of high school were a waste of time I could've spent getting ahead of everyone else that wasn't destined for college.
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Update:
Our county school board just voted to do 100% elearning for the first month of school and reevaluate then. They will reconvene on Sep 8th to decide about October's in person schooling.
The board seems to be focusing on the positivity rate of local testing as the key indicator, we are a tic over 10%, and the powers that be say it should be under 5% for schools to be safe.
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Update:
Our county school board just voted to do 100% elearning for the first month of school and reevaluate then. They will reconvene on Sep 8th to decide about October's in person schooling.
The board seems to be focusing on the positivity rate of local testing as the key indicator, we are a tic over 10%, and the powers that be say it should be under 5% for schools to be safe.
The same guideline that AZ is looking at as well. Our positivity rate is 18%.
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My brother is a teacher in the Humble school district near Houston. The teachers just started back this week. He says the district has no idea what they are doing and doesn't have a plan going forward, but at least they've delayed the kids coming back until I think Aug 24. (other districts in the area are waiting longer) I sent him a bunch of 3 ply surgical-style masks and a few KN95 respirators.