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Title: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2020, 09:58:21 PM
Match this is gasoline. Gasoline this is match

Could have been going for a gun in the car?
The media optics don't look good at this point and will no doubt only inflame the current situation

WATCH NOW: State DOJ will probe officer-involved shooting; man in serious condition
https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/watch-now-neighbors-man-shot-by-police-at-40th-street-and-28th-ave/article_f1adbd13-3a15-5cdd-bd4e-95113ca36de4.html

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2020, 10:25:44 PM
Yeah, I'll wait more more info, but the video does not look good.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
Comment on twitchy

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Patroclus • 31 minutes ago

If you work at Target, you might want to take next week off.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/23/man-shot-by-police-in-kenosha-wisc-listed-in-serious-condition-state-doj-will-investigate/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: HankB on August 23, 2020, 11:17:14 PM
In The Round Table, someone was looking for advice on how to get rid of a van.

Maybe he should drop it off at the nearest AutoZone, first thing tomorrow?

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Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: lupinus on August 23, 2020, 11:42:16 PM
Oh ffs.

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Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 12:35:22 AM
I would like to see all the available video.  I thought the Floyd incident looked a bit different after we were able to see the entire encounter.  I really hate these short clips. 

Yes, it doesn't look good.  There might be plausible reasons for the shots or not.  Don't know what was said or what was happened prior to the video starting.  The article said they attempted to tase him, but I don't know if that happened during the video or not.

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 24, 2020, 12:41:49 AM

Yes, it doesn't look good.  There might be plausible reasons for the shots or not.  Don't know what was said or what was happened prior to the video starting.  The article said they attempted to tase him, but I don't know if that happened during the video or not.


Near the beginning of the video there were two soft pops -- those might have been tasers. Then there was a burst of three gunshots, a brief pause, and then four more gunshots.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 01:21:42 AM
This is going to be a rough week.
Every time I think things may have a chance to start calming down.


PHOTOS, VIDEO: State of emergency declared after riot breaks out over the shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/24/photos-video-state-of-emergency-declared-after-riot-breaks-out-over-the-shooting-of-jacob-blake-in-kenosha/

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Kitty Shackleford
@KittyLists
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2h
There's mass chaos in Kenosha, WI after an officer involved shooting. A molotov cocktail (among other objects) was just thrown at officers, and somebody seriously injured
https://twitter.com/KittyLists/status/1297720873789472768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 01:44:21 AM
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   While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.

    — Governor Tony Evers (@GovEvers) August 24, 2020

What a *expletive deleted*che bag of a governor. Says "While we do not have all of the details yet" then throws the cop under the bus then puts it in reverse and backs over him for good measure in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 24, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
What a *expletive deleted*che bag of a governor. Says "While we do not have all of the details yet" then throws the cop under the bus then puts it in reverse and backs over him for good measure in the same sentence.

Incredibly stupid thing for a governor to say before more is known. He might as well be out in the crowd, Molotov cocktail in hand, helping burn down his state.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 10:20:15 AM
They're even attacking dinosaurs

IN PHOTOS: Scenes from around the Kenosha County Courthouse, closed Monday
https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/in-photos-scenes-from-around-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-closed-monday/collection_fac700c3-657b-5836-a93a-ca78698247c2.html#1
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 10:31:34 AM
Incredibly stupid thing for a governor to say before more is known. He might as well be out in the crowd, Molotov cocktail in hand, helping burn down his state.
I think some of these people want the riots and chaos.  Like the Chicago Mayor, they will make sure it doesn't come back on them personally. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: K Frame on August 24, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
Nothing says social justice like a store full of burning batteries and tires.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1297867762958766080?s=19
Up close look at the car dealership fire set by BLM arsonists in Wisconsin
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 24, 2020, 02:37:24 PM
Compilation of the riots and aftermath:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/24/like-a-scene-out-of-hell-watch-peaceful-protesters-in-wisconsin-respond-to-jacob-blake-shooting-by-terrorizing-police-and-their-community/

Of note: When conservatives peacefully protest, destroy nothing, but are armed, they are violent terrorists. When the left destroys everything in sight with projectiles and fire, and are armed with ARs, they are peacefully protesting. If I were to accidentally turn down one of these streets, besides my car as a weapon of escape, I think a submachine gun in the car would be justified for my survival.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: charby on August 24, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
This sucks because I'm going to be in Wisconsin hunting the first couple weeks of September. I'm not driving through the twin cities on my way there like I normally do if this goes to riot mode.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 24, 2020, 03:54:18 PM
I'm afraid the constant whining from the toxic, leftist goons who style themselves "the black community," and that whole month where corporate/institutional America flailed around shouting, "I love black people!" has really dampened my capacity to care about police brutality. I know I should care, but...
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
I'm afraid the constant whining from the toxic, leftist goons who style themselves "the black community," and that whole month where corporate/institutional America flailed around shouting, "I love black people!" has really dampened my capacity to care about police brutality. I know I should care, but...
QFT
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on August 24, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
I know it shouldn't matter but the guy shot up in Kenosha has been previously arrested on gun charges, domestic violence and one other I forget off the top of my head, might actually be resisting arrest.





Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 24, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
I know it shouldn't matter but the guy shot up in Kenosha has been previously arrested on gun charges, domestic violence and one other I forget off the top of my head, might actually be resisting arrest.




He also had a warrant out for his arrest
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on August 24, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
Compilation of the riots and aftermath:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/24/like-a-scene-out-of-hell-watch-peaceful-protesters-in-wisconsin-respond-to-jacob-blake-shooting-by-terrorizing-police-and-their-community/

Of note: When conservatives peacefully protest, destroy nothing, but are armed, they are violent terrorists. When the left destroys everything in sight with projectiles and fire, and are armed with ARs, they are peacefully protesting. If I were to accidentally turn down one of these streets, besides my car as a weapon of escape, I think a submachine gun in the car would be justified for my survival.

Corollary to that from the videos on that twitchy link:

The Sheriff's Dep (and possibly some of the BLM guys) just figured out one of the main gotcha's of mechinzed infantry.  Yeah you can get there all safe and sound, but deploying from that vehicle within sight of the enemy is *very* sketchy.  One or two rifleman can effectively keep those guys bottled up in their MRAPs for a long time.  That's why Brads and Strykers have big guns, and deploy in numbers to cover each other.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: just Warren on August 24, 2020, 04:36:52 PM
Kenosha cop knocked out by brick. (https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/watch-now-officer-reportedly-hit-with-brick-during-unrest-in-kenosha-following-shooting/article_fd1de3ed-e83a-560f-a024-b3ae5f410274.html)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: just Warren on August 24, 2020, 05:00:48 PM
I know it shouldn't matter but the guy shot up in Kenosha has been previously arrested on gun charges, domestic violence and one other I forget off the top of my head, might actually be resisting arrest.


Timcast did a segment on this. (https://youtu.be/Kl7O_OIWjS0)

The shootee had apparently assaulted cops in the past and was arrested for illegal carrying of a gun and was getting into a vehicle which could have contained any number of weapons.

So the shooting sounds bad at first but giving this guy's history and his actions at the time it gets a lot more reasonable.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 05:28:23 PM
But what's more important here is how it looks to anyone looking for an excuse to riot. It appeared to me as I mentioned in the OP he could have been reaching for a gun. But I'm not someone who feels cop are hunting down blacks for the sport of killing them so I don't have that coloring my view of events.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RocketMan on August 24, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
Corollary to that from the videos on that twitchy link:

The Sheriff's Dep (and possibly some of the BLM guys) just figured out one of the main gotcha's of mechinzed infantry.  Yeah you can get there all safe and sound, but deploying from that vehicle within sight of the enemy is *very* sketchy.  One or two rifleman can effectively keep those guys bottled up in their MRAPs for a long time.  That's why Brads and Strykers have big guns, and deploy in numbers to cover each other.

How much longer before armed "peaceful protestors" and police engage in an actual firefight in one of the cities undergoing violent riots?  How long after that first firefight will the police in that locale be disarmed by the idiots governing the city where it occurs?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 08:22:03 PM
But what's more important here is how it looks to anyone looking for an excuse to riot. It appeared to me as I mentioned in the OP he could have been reaching for a gun. But I'm not someone who feels cop are hunting down blacks for the sport of killing them so I don't have that coloring my view of events.
I agree.  Looked to me like a situation where the officer saw him reach for a gun, fired a few times.  Saw him still with the gun and shot a few more times. 


Point for those thinking cops are evil:  If cops were really trying to hunt down and kill black people, none of it would be on camera have any witnesses.  They aren't going to gun someone down in front of a hundred people. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 24, 2020, 09:59:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fa8bEkxddk
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 24, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Compilation of the riots and aftermath:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/24/like-a-scene-out-of-hell-watch-peaceful-protesters-in-wisconsin-respond-to-jacob-blake-shooting-by-terrorizing-police-and-their-community/

Of note: When conservatives peacefully protest, destroy nothing, but are armed, they are violent terrorists. When the left destroys everything in sight with projectiles and fire, and are armed with ARs, they are peacefully protesting. If I were to accidentally turn down one of these streets, besides my car as a weapon of escape, I think a submachine gun in the car would be justified for my survival.

From one of the comments:

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    Not sure who coined this term but it is apt for how the media/establishment views the times we’re living in: “leftist violence is speech; rightist speech is violence.” https://t.co/nQxnKcXsdR

    — Nick Short (@PoliticalShort) August 24, 2020
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: gunsmith on August 24, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
i have not looked at the vids posted here, but the one i saw this morning looked like a good shoot.
people keep guns under the front seat, he was reaching for something.
if i see cops pointing guns at me, i cooperate
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 24, 2020, 10:41:23 PM
They're even attacking dinosaurs

IN PHOTOS: Scenes from around the Kenosha County Courthouse, closed Monday
https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/in-photos-scenes-from-around-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-closed-monday/collection_fac700c3-657b-5836-a93a-ca78698247c2.html#1

 :rofl:

Rioters in Kenosha topple statue of slave-owning dinosaur, also damage charter school, post office, library
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/24/rioters-in-kenosha-topple-statue-of-slave-owning-dinosaur-also-damage-charter-school-post-office-library/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: zxcvbob on August 25, 2020, 12:23:17 AM
How much longer before armed "peaceful protestors" and police engage in an actual firefight in one of the cities undergoing violent riots?  How long after that first firefight will the police in that locale be disarmed by the idiots governing the city where it occurs?

That's why they (the police) need to make the first shootout count.  A few dozen dead rioters, a hundred or so wounded.  Then the entire police force (including the brass) calls in sick the next day. 

I have a pretty low opinion of the police.  That I would ever take their side over the protesters means this *expletive deleted*it has been going on way too long and I no longer care about the details.

And Governor Evans should be arrested for inciting a riot.

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 25, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
That's why they (the police) need to make the first shootout count.  A few dozen dead rioters, a hundred or so wounded.  Then the entire police force (including the brass) calls in sick the next day. 

I have a pretty low opinion of the police.  That I would ever take their side over the protesters means this *expletive deleted*it has been going on way too long and I no longer care about the details.

And Governor Evans should be arrested for inciting a riot.



I hate to say it, plus  I know it sounds like "armchair warrior" talk, but seeing what these people do and say in all the videos I have seen, I have to agree with, "mow a bunch of them down."

I couldn't care less about their bravado if they were just out yelling, or even as much as  I hate to see it, destroying property. But these aholes have been severely injuring innocent people, and it has only gotten worse because there have been basically zero repercussions. If a half dozen of these antifa aholes were shot dead while attacking a little old lady, this stuff might simmer down. Or I'd be good with beating them within an inch of their lives. Dialogue doesn't work with these idiots.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
That is one thing I have seen that needs to be shut down.  A whole bunch of these people get violent and combative with cops and getting in their face very aggressively.  Police just stand there or do their best to arrest them without causing injury.  They do this even to the point of putting themselves in danger.  I think if cops were allowed to respond with more physical force including batons, they might shut some of this down without shooting people. 

https://youtu.be/jtyELAJKQO8?t=570
At 9:30, Matt Walsh shares a police video of two officers trying to arrest a guy.  He manages to get free, go grab a gun and start shooting at the officers.  IMO, this is how the incident in Wisconsin could easily have turned out. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on August 25, 2020, 09:58:28 AM
Somehow I feel that if it were right wingers rioting, the Panopticon Police State would figure out who was funding, organizing and participating within a couple days and we'd already be talking about their trials  [tinfoil]

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: makattak on August 25, 2020, 10:06:38 AM
That is one thing I have seen that needs to be shut down.  A whole bunch of these people get violent and combative with cops and getting in their face very aggressively.  Police just stand there or do their best to arrest them without causing injury.  They do this even to the point of putting themselves in danger.  I think if cops were allowed to respond with more physical force including batons, they might shut some of this down without shooting people. 

https://youtu.be/jtyELAJKQO8?t=570
At 9:30, Matt Walsh shares a police video of two officers trying to arrest a guy.  He manages to get free, go grab a gun and start shooting at the officers.  IMO, this is how the incident in Wisconsin could easily have turned out. 

I've seen that video before (the guy opening fire on the police officers after fighting them off) and was the first thing I thought of when people were saying "he was just trying to get into his car!!!"

Well, you don't get to do that when the police are trying to arrest you. You DESERVE to be shot for that.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
I've seen that video before (the guy opening fire on the police officers after fighting them off) and was the first thing I thought of when people were saying "he was just trying to get into his car!!!"

Well, you don't get to do that when the police are trying to arrest you. You DESERVE to be shot for that.
I was just wandering if the cops had deployed batons as soon as he started to fight and knocked him around a couple times, would it have changed anything?  I don't know.  It probably wouldn't have looked good on camera though. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: makattak on August 25, 2020, 10:34:16 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

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Benjamin Crump shared video of the incident on his Twitter feed, and confirmed today he is now representing Blake's family, and will 'demand answers' from police.

Does that name set off alarm bells for anyone else?

Let me refresh your memory, if not:

Quote
https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Zimmerman-sues-Trayvon-Martins-family-attorneys-565797011.html

He's the blood-sucking, race-baiting, perjury suborning, vile, sub-human lawyer who represented the family of Trayvon Martin.

Oh, that will calm tensions. Certainly.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 25, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
So PETA and those guys will be doing something, right?

Heed the warning at the link. This actually is pretty graphic and sickening with the cheering:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/25/shocking-and-blood-boiling-peaceful-rioters-murder-a-raccoon-demonstrate-that-none-of-this-is-about-justice/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2020, 01:34:09 PM
Don't you hate it when your peaceful protest march is interrupted by fires and destruction. Bad fire! Bad Destruction!

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    Peaceful marches in Kenosha, Wis., against the police shooting of a Black man gave way to fires and destruction. https://t.co/45SHCTyOmg

    — The New York Times (@nytimes) August 25, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/25/how-is-this-tweet-real-nyts-spin-on-kenosha-in-flames-is-truly-orwellian/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: just Warren on August 25, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Blake was fighting the cops before he got shot. (https://www.foxnews.com/us/jacob-blake-struggling-police-officersshot-new-video-shows)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

Does that name set off alarm bells for anyone else?

Let me refresh your memory, if not:

He's the blood-sucking, race-baiting, perjury suborning, vile, sub-human lawyer who represented the family of Trayvon Martin.

Oh, that will calm tensions. Certainly.

The only pictures of Blake we'll be seeing from now on will be from when he was 8 years old.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2020, 02:59:21 PM
Be interesting to see if there's body cam footage of him actually grabbing a gun. Not that that's going to make an oz of difference to the "let's loot and burn" crowd.
Even if it did I wouldn't expect them to do anything but go back home and start up the usual "see what YOU did to our neighborhood?! YOU need to fix this!" violin
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 25, 2020, 03:02:39 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

Does that name set off alarm bells for anyone else?

Let me refresh your memory, if not:

He's the blood-sucking, race-baiting, perjury suborning, vile, sub-human lawyer who represented the family of Trayvon Martin.

Oh, that will calm tensions. Certainly.


Crump seems to pop almost everywhere this happens. Kira Davis says that's because he's the one that immediately gets in touch with and offers to "help" the families, who usually don't exactly have their own law firm on retainer.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: fifth_column on August 25, 2020, 03:26:21 PM
Armed BLM rioters stop a police armored vehicle in Kenosha, which then proceeds to throw tear gas.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1297770791891656706 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1297770791891656706)

I've been expecting this to turn into a shooting war for a while now . . . .
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Armed BLM rioters stop a police armored vehicle in Kenosha, which then proceeds to throw tear gas.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1297770791891656706 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1297770791891656706)

I've been expecting this to turn into a shooting war for a while now . . . .
Was that noise at the end the guy with the rifle shooting at the vehicle?  I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: fifth_column on August 25, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
Was that noise at the end the guy with the rifle shooting at the vehicle?  I wasn't sure.

It's hard to say for sure.  Around 1:40 it sounds like what might be gunfire.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RocketMan on August 25, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
It's hard to say for sure.  Around 1:40 it sounds like what might be gunfire.

I thought it was gunfire at first, three shots, but then there was a similar shot-like sound when a CS gas canister detonated just before the AV went around the corner.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 25, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1298138890461741063

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298120829562163200
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2020, 08:10:08 PM
https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1298138890461741063

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298120829562163200

Head bob engaged in the first link so she must be right

In the 2nd I noticed one of the guys is armed with an RFB
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: fifth_column on August 26, 2020, 03:19:28 PM
The mother of the man shot and paralyzed in Kenosha seems pretty level-headed.  She was interviewed on CNN:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298645750302347265 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1298645750302347265)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
Guess 5 people are going to have to figure out something else to do tonight.

Milwaukee Bucks boycott game to protest Jacob Blake shooting; all Wednesday NBA games postponed
https://www.wlky.com/article/milwaukee-bucks-players-dont-take-the-court-for-playoff-game-to-protest-jacob-blake-shooting/33810192
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2020, 07:18:06 PM
I thought it was baseball season  ???
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Fly320s on August 26, 2020, 07:21:21 PM
I thought it was baseball season  ???

NHL playoffs are going right now, so that means it is golf season.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
Well I guess the riots, I mean peaceful protests, will stop now.
Yeah right

Wisconsin DOJ confirms that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot by a police officer
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/26/wisconsin-doj-confirms-that-jacob-blake-was-armed-with-a-knife-when-he-was-shot-by-a-police-officer/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: K Frame on August 27, 2020, 07:19:04 AM
Oh, come now. We can't believe what "the man" has to say about this!

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
Here is a run down on the three goons shot by the AR guy defending himself.

Joseph Rosenbaum, convicted pedophile. Served 12.5 years for sexual contact with a minor.
    
Gaige Grosskreutz, a convicted burglar who was illegally carrying a gun.
    
Anthony Huber, convicted domestic abuser. Convicted of multiple domestic abuse counts, ADW, battery, false imprisonment, and "strangulation and suffocation".

The left is empowering and protecting goons, allowing them to run wild.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 27, 2020, 09:30:44 AM
Cop: 1 criminal with 7 shots
Kyle: 3 criminals with 5 shots
Kyle for the win!
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
Here is a run down on the three goons shot by the AR guy defending himself.

Joseph Rosenbaum, convicted pedophile. Served 12.5 years for sexual contact with a minor.
    
Gaige Grosskreutz, a convicted burglar who was illegally carrying a gun.
    
Anthony Huber, convicted domestic abuser. Convicted of multiple domestic abuse counts, ADW, battery, false imprisonment, and "strangulation and suffocation".

The left is empowering and protecting goons, allowing them to run wild.


I suppose legally, for the likely upcoming court case, their background can't be considered, at least not much.

Morally, however, it seems the few of these rioters and looters that have actually been arrested have all had criminal backgrounds, and not "doing 35mph in a 25mph zone". Seems these are all people that were on the road to being shot anyway, as this Rosenbaum fellow illustrates:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298857915202314240

He certainly doesn't seem to be a person who cares about peace and justice. Also, why is he talking like a black ghetto youth?

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
I suppose legally, for the likely upcoming court case, their background can't be considered, at least not much.


If the kid had any of those charges it's a safe bet the prosecutor, and the MSM, would be using them against him
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Blakenzy on August 27, 2020, 11:08:02 AM
Did he have a knife in his grasp at the time or was a knife found to be within the vehicle after the fact?  Important details are important.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 27, 2020, 11:10:29 AM
Did he have a knife in his grasp at the time or was a knife found to be within the vehicle after the fact?  Important details are important.

He's got something in his left hand:

(https://www.teaparty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/blake-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
He's got something in his left hand:

Keys?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on August 27, 2020, 11:19:27 AM
Keys?

Dunno, maybe. There's also this:

https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/2020/08/jacob-blake-paralyzed-from-waist-down-after-kenosha-police-shooting-father-says.html

Quote
The man who said he made the cellphone video, 22-year-old Raysean White, said he saw Blake scuffling with three officers and heard them yell, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before the gunfire erupted. He said he didn’t see a knife in Blake’s hands.

Why were they yelling "drop the knife" if they were keys?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on August 27, 2020, 11:31:21 AM
Did he have a knife in his grasp at the time or was a knife found to be within the vehicle after the fact?  Important details are important.

There's pretty clear pics of him with a knife on the internet.

Let me see if I can find one quickly.

ETA:

(https://bluelivesmatter.blue/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/jacob-blake-armed-with-knife.jpg)

https://www.google.com/search?q=karambit+knife&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpjJr83bvrAhVRlnIEHUAYC2UQ_AUoAnoECBUQBA&biw=1920&bih=931
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 11:35:59 AM
The story will now be he was just trying to defend himself from the police
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Blakenzy on August 27, 2020, 12:09:38 PM
Looks like a karambit nonsense or a Spyderco civilan model.

How about this, can getting in the driver's seat be construed as accessing a lethal weapon (the vehicle itself)?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 12:13:50 PM
Looks like a karambit nonsense or a Spyderco civilan model.

How about this, can getting in the driver's seat be construed as accessing a lethal weapon (the vehicle itself)?

We had protests here 12 or so years ago when the police shot a man while he was in the act of trying to run them over. Despite a dozen or so witnesses to that effect all we kept hearing in the media and from the mob was that they shot another UNARMED black man.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Just got an WH e-mail stating Trump is sending in Fed Troops

Quote
After Two Deaths During Kenosha Protests, Trump Sending Federal Troops to 'Restore Law and Order'

“President Donald Trump said Wednesday he will send federal troops into Kenosha to assist local law enforcement after a third night of violence in the Wisconsin city left two people dead,” Meghan Roos reports in Newsweek.
 
“We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with [Wisconsin Governor Tony] Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance,” the President tweeted yesterday.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RocketMan on August 27, 2020, 02:38:58 PM
Not troops, federal law enforcement.  More spinning by the DNC media arm.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Not troops, federal law enforcement.  More spinning by the DNC media arm.

Odd things is is that was copied and pasted from the actual White House e-mail I got.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: K Frame on August 27, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
In today's environment, the term troops is less explosive than law enforcement.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Pb on August 27, 2020, 05:47:01 PM
Clown world is not nearly as fun as the name would imply.   =(
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 27, 2020, 06:00:09 PM
Clown world is not nearly as fun as the name would imply.   =(

Nope:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Pennywise_Skarsgard_and_Curry.png)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on August 28, 2020, 07:56:41 AM
Chicago area blogger posted this up

https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/exporting-rioters.html

Quote
FYI witnesses at the scene report that at least 6 huge luxury motorcoaches arrived, a Chicago limo company. As the buses were letting people out witnesses recognized Miracle Boyd and others from the Chicago protests/riots. This was reported on social media.

Then the owner of this limo company claimed he was not transporting protesters but transporting "troops like we do every day" however the Wisconsin National Guard responded that they use their own transportation. The Guard does not hire limos or buses from Chicago.

Then the limo company owner said oops! Meant to say he transported military personnel from Great Lakes. But wouldn't you know it? A call to Great Lakes naval training center revealed that they had never heard of this Chicago limo company. So who was he transporting to Kenosha and who paid for those 6 motorcoaches? And why was he lying about it?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: cordex on August 28, 2020, 08:11:55 AM
Quote
Then the owner of this limo company claimed he was not transporting protesters but transporting "troops like we do every day"
Well, he kind of is, isn't he?  Not ones on the US side, but ...
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
Cop: 1 criminal with 7 shots
Kyle: 3 criminals with 5 shots
Kyle for the win!

Regarding this Kyle kids.  Why do I see people in the media talking about charges for transporting a rifle across state lines?  Is there some law in Illinois and/or Wisconsin about that?  A minor with a rifle I could more easily understand. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on August 28, 2020, 09:03:48 AM
They are either:

1 talking out their ass because they assume there's some law to prevent that with scary guns (like people think guns need to be registered)
2 purposely trying to play up the "He came from ANOTHER STATE to cause trouble!!!" narrative, and want to make sure folks don't remember he was 20 minutes from home in a town he had a job in.
3 have read somewhere about a federal charge for transporting firearms across state lines in the commission of a felony* and want the feds involved.

Or some combination of the above.



* That would be 18 USC 924 (b):

Quote
Whoever, with intent to commit therewith an offense punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, or with knowledge or reasonable cause to believe that an offense punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year is to be committed therewith, ships, transports, or receives a firearm or any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

I would normally think that "commerce" is a stretch in this case, but have learned not to underestimate the elasticity of the Interstate Commerce Clause.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 28, 2020, 11:22:19 PM
Colion Noir weighs in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2020, 11:32:05 AM
Likely won't change the current narrative, but it looks like Blake was engaged in both violating a restraining order and sexual assault before he was shot:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/29/reports-this-is-the-reason-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest-in-kenosha/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: BobR on August 29, 2020, 02:34:04 PM
The peaceful protesters seem to have tired of milling about downtown and decided to move into a residential neighborhood. Seems the residents aren't the pushovers like to other they have become accustomed to dealing with.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-move-into-residential-neighborhoods/?fbclid=IwAR2qL7C0JQcjZ9IxbbFjlGy9zVEIjyIaH9BqFvOXmCLeLzy0DI6od6382ls


bob

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on August 29, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
The peaceful protesters seem to have tired of milling about downtown and decided to move into a residential neighborhood. Seems the residents aren't the pushovers like to other they have become accustomed to dealing with.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-move-into-residential-neighborhoods/?fbclid=IwAR2qL7C0JQcjZ9IxbbFjlGy9zVEIjyIaH9BqFvOXmCLeLzy0DI6od6382ls


bob


That is great.  Now as long as the police don't go after the people trying to defend their homes/businesses, it will all work out.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: lee n. field on August 29, 2020, 10:26:22 PM
Colion Noir weighs in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE


Unfortunately Andrew Branca's comments (https://lawofselfdefense.com/blog/ (https://lawofselfdefense.com/blog/)) on this incident are behind his paywall.  Guessing that they will be pretty similar to what he said on the New Mexico antifa riot shooting in June.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on August 29, 2020, 10:37:55 PM
Quote
   If @JoeBiden goes to Kenosha right now, he will win Wisconsin and he will win the Presidency.

    It’s also the RIGHT thing to do. It’s also something Donald Trump is INCAPABLE of doing.

    — Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) August 28, 2020

Quote
   On flight back from Louisiana, WH informed press pool that Pres Trump will visit Kenosha, WI on Tuesday. He'll meet with law enforcement & survey damage from the violent protests. Asked if he'll meet with Jacob Blake's family, spokesman said the schedule not yet completed. pic.twitter.com/GR8tlbMDu0

    — Mark Knoller (@markknoller) August 30, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/29/trump-will-reportedly-travel-to-kenosha-wisconsin-on-tuesday-joe-walsh-says-biden-campaign-blew-it/

Cue the MSM spin machine
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 31, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/christian-crowdfunding-page-to-benefit-teen-kyle-rittenhouse-explodes-with-donations

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2020, 07:06:44 PM
This kinda makes this whole debacle just a little bit better. The crying Commander:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-antifa-commander-flamethrower-tears-fetal-position-arrest
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on September 02, 2020, 07:22:10 PM
Wisconsin governor tells Trump planned Kenosha visit ‘will only hinder our healing’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/30/trump-to-visit-kenosha-wisconsin-on-tuesday.html

Trump Makes Controversial Trip To Kenosha Amid Civil Unrest, Meets With Local Law Enforcement
https://www.ibtimes.com/trump-makes-controversial-trip-kenosha-amid-civil-unrest-meets-local-law-enforcement-3038414

Joe Biden to visit Kenosha on Thursday
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/02/joe-biden-to-visit-kenosha-wisconsin-on-thursday.html


I don't know if Trump is playing 3D chess, but he is a step ahead of Biden.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2020, 07:24:59 PM

I don't know if Trump is playing 3D chess, but he is a step ahead of Biden.

Knowing what year it is puts you a step ahead of Biden
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 02, 2020, 08:14:23 PM
Knowing what year planet it is puts you a step ahead of Biden

FIFY
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: TommyGunn on September 02, 2020, 08:16:28 PM
* edit.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2020, 08:16:49 PM

Disney World   :old:
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Jim147 on September 02, 2020, 08:20:44 PM
crazy train
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on September 03, 2020, 02:09:01 PM
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kenosha%20Hat%20Trick
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 03, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
The alleged killer in the Portland shooting gave an interview to Vice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlxT9OrBIE

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
The alleged killer in the Portland shooting gave an interview to Vice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlxT9OrBIE



Interesting question from the comments:

Vice tracked this guy down but the cops haven't?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on September 03, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
Interesting question from the comments:

Vice tracked this guy down but the cops haven't?

This is a large part of the problem, the government and police have failed the people and in many cases are working against us.


This will not end peacefully.  =(
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: zahc on September 03, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Interesting question from the comments:

Vice tracked this guy down but the cops haven't?

That's not surprising. The media always seem to be around criminal activity in order to get it on video, while the police are always elsewhere or waiting for backup. This has been the case since at least the 80s, when everyone was watching live on video the LA bank robbers shootout, meanwhile somehow the cops can't take the guys out, while the news cameras seem to be able to get them on plain video just fine.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: freakazoid on September 04, 2020, 12:03:10 AM
It's also Vice, so I wouldn't be to surprised to find out they have connections to find out who.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 04, 2020, 12:08:02 AM
... aaaaaaand he's dead:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html

Quote
SEATTLE — A man being investigated in the fatal shooting of a right-wing activist who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., was killed on Thursday night when authorities moved to arrest him, according to three law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation.

The officials said the suspect, Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was killed during the encounter in Lacey, Wash., southwest of Seattle, when a federal fugitive task force moved to apprehend him.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 04, 2020, 02:24:40 AM
... aaaaaaand he's dead:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html


Wonderful.

Quote
On July 5 during the protests, Mr. Reinoehl was charged with resisting arrest and possession of a loaded firearm, but the case was later dropped.
...
A few days later, authorities in eastern Oregon reported that Mr. Reinoehl was apparently racing his 17-year-old son as the two were driving in separate vehicles at over 100 miles per hour. Among other violations, authorities cited Mr. Reinoehl with driving under the influence, unlawful possession of a firearm and driving while uninsured.

So, two previous arrests for firearms violations, but he was free to go to a demonstration -- armed -- and kill someone.

What's wrong with this picture? (Yes, that is a rhetorical question.)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on September 04, 2020, 08:36:25 AM
I guess Portland should brace for an uptick in violence.

In preparation for that, the Governor once again came out and angrily said that the white supremacy and right wing violence occurring in Portland must stop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-governor-calls-out-white-supremacists-vigilantes-while-demanding-end-to-portland-violence


And back to Kenosha, Discover has blocked all transactions going to the Rittenhouse crowdfunding site. They claim it is purely operational, but considering nobody seems to be able to keep a funding site for him from being blocked, it's a little suspicious to me. If it is a "social" decision, I'm generally lazy about boycotts, but Discover would be an easy card for me to shred if I had one.  If this was political, I think they hurt themselves.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/discover-blocks-donations-to-site-raising-money-for-kyle-rittenhouse-defense
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 04, 2020, 10:07:19 AM
Defund Discover.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 04, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Discover is known for having tough requirements, maybe they violated one or two. Just saying without knowing more at this point
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 04, 2020, 10:41:55 AM

And back to Kenosha, Discover has blocked all transactions going to the Rittenhouse crowdfunding site. They claim it is purely operational, but considering nobody seems to be able to keep a funding site for him from being blocked, it's a little suspicious to me. If it is a "social" decision, I'm generally lazy about boycotts, but Discover would be an easy card for me to shred if I had one.  If this was political, I think they hurt themselves.


Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: MechAg94 on September 04, 2020, 11:43:51 AM
WaPo’s Margaret Sullivan is very pleased to inform you that only 7% of ‘racial justice protests’ get violent
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/04/look-at-all-the-business-that-arent-burning-wapos-margaret-sullivan-is-very-pleased-to-inform-you-that-only-7-of-racial-justice-protests-get-violent/

Quote
93 percent of protests nonviolent. This is an important read from a sweeping report

Favorite comment.  There were also comments about how many police interactions are non-violent.
Quote
99% of gun owners are law abiding. Guess y’all can quit promoting gun control now.



Quote
ACLED, which monitors war zones and political upheaval around the world, launched the US Crisis Monitor report with Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative. Using media accounts and other public information, the report identified 7,750 protests from May 26 through Aug. 22 that were linked to the Black Lives Matter movement. The protests took place in 2,400 locations across all 50 states and the District.
The group identified about 220 locations where the protests became “violent,” which authors of the report defined as demonstrators clashing with police or counterprotesters or causing property damage.
Still adds up to 220 locations where protests became violent. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on September 04, 2020, 06:58:56 PM
Also: 220 locations.  Not 220 incidents.

So Portland is 1 location.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Fly320s on September 04, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
Interesting question from the comments:

Vice tracked this guy down but the cops haven't?

This isn't hard to understand.  People will talk with the press much more freely than they will with the police.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: gunsmith on September 04, 2020, 09:25:32 PM
This isn't hard to understand.  People will talk with the press much more freely than they will with the police.

 it looks like Vice ratted him out, that Mike guy got lost a gun fight with L.E
 its really to bad, he had kids and its safe to say they are now angry bitter, plus I wanted to hear testimony and evidence as I suspect there was more to this
than an impulsive murder
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 05, 2020, 12:01:30 PM
https://www.mcda.us/index.php/documents/state-of-oregon-vs-michael-forest-reinoehl-affidavits-warrant-da-info.pdf/

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Pb on September 05, 2020, 02:01:41 PM
WaPo’s Margaret Sullivan is very pleased to inform you that only 7% of ‘racial justice protests’ get violent
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/04/look-at-all-the-business-that-arent-burning-wapos-margaret-sullivan-is-very-pleased-to-inform-you-that-only-7-of-racial-justice-protests-get-violent/

Favorite comment.  There were also comments about how many police interactions are non-violent.

Still adds up to 220 locations where protests became violent. 

What percentage of Tea Party protests were violent? 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: just Warren on September 05, 2020, 07:29:48 PM
Biden visited the parents of the violent criminal Jacob Blake.

Trump should head back to Kenosha and visit Blake's victims.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 05, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
What percentage of Tea Party protests were violent? 

100% by today's standards. Holding Tea Party opinions hurts black and brown latex people of colors something something
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2020, 09:51:21 AM
Wonder which one in the long list of his crimes against women make her the proudest?

Kamala Harris Told Jacob Blake She Was ‘Proud’ of Him, Lawyer Says
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/kamala-harris-told-jacob-blake-she-was-proud-of-him-lawyer-says/

‘No #MeToo now?’: Kamala Harris says she’s ‘proud’ of Jacob Blake during visit as critics point to his sexual assault charge
https://www.rt.com/usa/500116-kamala-harris-blake-proud/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
IT WAS A DEBATE! - cackle - IT WAS A DEBATE!
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: DittoHead on September 11, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
Gaige Grosskreutz, a convicted burglar who was illegally carrying a gun.
This appears to be bad info or this guy is blatantly lying.
Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/us/kenosha-gaige-grosskreutz-shooting-victim-interview/index.html
Grosskreutz said he packed medical supplies in a small backpack to be ready to provide medical attention. He also said he decided to bring his licensed gun with him. He said he was concerned after seeing a call to arms on Facebook by a group called the Kenosha Guard, a self-styled militia group that was using the social media platform to encourage armed citizens to take to the streets.
"Everybody was there exercising their right to protest. And there were some people who were exercising their right to bear arms, including myself," he said.
Grosskreutz said he has had run-ins with police in his past and paid his debt. But he says he had every right to carry his firearm.
"I'm not a felon," he said. "I have my concealed carry, I've had it for years. That was my gun. My firearm. I had a legal right to possess it and to possess it concealed."
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on September 11, 2020, 04:44:20 PM
This appears to be bad info or this guy is blatantly lying.


In most states, while you could still own a gun, this would get your CCW permit yanked:

Quote
Milwaukee County Case Number 2016CM001014 State of Wisconsin vs. Gaige P Grosskreutz




The defendant Gaige P Grosskreutz was found guilty of the following charge(s) in this case.

    Go Armed with Firearm While Intoxicated, a class A misdemeanor, Wisconsin Statutes 941.20(1)(b).
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Regolith on September 11, 2020, 08:43:51 PM
I really wouldn't put it past him to be lying his ass off. They feel empowered to lie because they can count on the media to spread it instead of fact checking it.

The goon who killed the Trump supporter in Portland lied his ass off to Vice about it being self defense just before getting himself ventilated by the US Marshals, and the media just gormlessly repeated it, despite video evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on September 12, 2020, 07:06:39 AM
This appears to be bad info or this guy is blatantly lying.

I'm sure he is a fine person who was really turning his life around, he just got caught up with the wrong crowd  :P
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: bedlamite on September 23, 2020, 11:31:16 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8762311/Kyle-Rittenhouses-attorney-releases-new-footage-shootings.html
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: zxcvbob on September 23, 2020, 11:53:22 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8762311/Kyle-Rittenhouses-attorney-releases-new-footage-shootings.html


Good article.  So he's still in Illinois?  What if IL refuses to extradite him; maybe because he's a minor? :D
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 23, 2020, 12:05:20 PM
Yahoo attempts to paint Grosskreutz as the victim:

https://news.yahoo.com/shot-kenosha-then-received-threats-203834721.html

... conveniently glossing over the fact that he pulled his gun on Rittenhouse before being shot.

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 25, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
From Bulgaria:

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1309481543166025730

https://nationalfile.com/bulgarian-soccer-fans-hold-kyle-rittenhouse-did-nothing-wrong-banner/

(https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/bulgaria.png)

Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
From Bulgaria:

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1309481543166025730





Many of the comments  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: makattak on September 25, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
From Bulgaria:

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1309481543166025730

https://nationalfile.com/bulgarian-soccer-fans-hold-kyle-rittenhouse-did-nothing-wrong-banner/

https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/bulgaria.png


Eastern Europe knows the stakes in this fight.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Eastern Europe knows the stakes in this fight.

I was just gonna post similar. Some of the Eastern European countries are a good deal more pro-freedom than the current US population (present company excepted).
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
I was just gonna post similar. Some of the Eastern European countries are a good deal more pro-freedom than the current US population (present company excepted).

Many of them will tell you that socialism has never been tried before   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 28, 2020, 09:03:03 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-defense-raises-millions

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More than $2 million reportedly have been raised to fund the defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old who has been charged with killing two rioters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last month.

As of Monday, crowdfunding site GiveSendGo has accumulated more than $523,000 for Rittenhouse. And a report from The Associated Press published Thursday said that defense lawyers representing the teen have brought in about $2 million in funds.

I suspect he's going to need all of it.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RocketMan on September 29, 2020, 02:06:48 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-defense-raises-millions

I suspect he's going to need all of it.

Given the current political climate, absolutely.  His lawyers have their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on October 16, 2020, 08:35:10 PM


Wisconsin Prosecutors Drop Charges Against First Shooter in Order to Prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wisconsin-prosecutors-drop-charges-against-first-shooter-in-order-to-prosecute-kyle-rittenhouse/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 16, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
My great grandfather became a professor of law because he couldn't stomach what he saw in the real world. My grandfather often repeated the professor's advice:

"There is no justice in the courts." That's far more true today than it was over a hundred years ago, when he said it.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: TommyGunn on October 16, 2020, 11:18:46 PM

Wisconsin Prosecutors Drop Charges Against First Shooter in Order to Prosecute Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wisconsin-prosecutors-drop-charges-against-first-shooter-in-order-to-prosecute-kyle-rittenhouse/


 :facepalm: [barf]      This is despicable. 


Clownworld.     Again....
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 16, 2020, 11:30:54 PM
But that's a nice photo of the prosecutor.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: TommyGunn on October 16, 2020, 11:42:19 PM
 :rofl:  Touche' . 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: DittoHead on November 09, 2020, 08:53:30 PM
Sounds like a straw purchase.
Quote from: https://waow.com/2020/11/09/gun-used-by-rittenhouse-in-kenosha-killings-was-bought-in-ladysmith-complaint-states/
Dominick Black, 19, is charged with two counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 causing death.

According to the criminal complaint filed in Kenosha County Court:

Black purchased a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 rifle from Ladysmith Ace Home Center up in Ladysmith on May 1, 2020.

The complaint says Black bought the gun with money from Rittenhouse with the intention of giving the gun to him.

Rittenhouse was 17 at the time and thus not of legal age to buy a gun in Wisconsin.

Rittenhouse and Black agreed the gun would be stored at Black's stepfather's home in Kenosha. The address of that home matches the address listed for Black on the criminal complaint.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
Sounds like a straw purchase.

Uh, oh.

Mr. Rittenhouse isn'y the squeaky clean, all-American boy we thought he was. Good golly, he's a FELON.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 09:41:08 PM
Uh, oh.

Mr. Rittenhouse isn'y the squeaky clean, all-American boy we thought he was. Good golly, he's a FELON.

Guess they'll be letting him go then
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
The slayer of peaceful for justice protesters is out on bail

Kyle Rittenhouse, the Illinois teen charged in Wisconsin protest slayings, posts $2M bail
https://www.wdrb.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-the-illinois-teen-charged-in-wisconsin-protest-slayings-posts-2m-bail/article_745aafbc-98ab-570b-ad81-b10ef285d64e.html
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Boomhauer on November 21, 2020, 08:47:33 AM
Uh, oh.

Mr. Rittenhouse isn'y the squeaky clean, all-American boy we thought he was. Good golly, he's a FELON.

For committing a “crime” that millions of American boys have committed without causing trouble. I guarantee you a lot of “first” firearms have been acquired by the same method.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 21, 2020, 01:55:21 PM
(https://media.thedonald.win/post/HVmxF237.jpeg)

Nice shirt.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 21, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
For committing a “crime” that millions of American boys have committed without causing trouble. I guarantee you a lot of “first” firearms have been acquired by the same method.

Yep.

All part of the program -- make everyone an unconvicted felon. Then, when they're ready, start rounding them us up.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 22, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
Re my previous post: apparently Rittenhouse's choice of apparel in that photo is proving problematic for Black Rifle Coffee Company: the usual suspects are claiming that BRCC is supporting Rittenhouse and are calling for a boycott. 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/black-rifle-coffee-says-they-have-nothing-to-do-with-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-after-hes-seen-wearing-their-shirt/

BRCC responds:  https://twitter.com/blckriflecoffee/status/1330657893213986816

... and appears to have pissed off a lot of their own customers, judging by the comments.

It might have been better if the company had just kept quiet.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on November 23, 2020, 04:26:42 AM
Meh, the Twitter mob was going to come for them one day anyway.

I am a little mind boggled by folks in that Twitter thread calling Even Hafer a coward.  Like, maybe you don't like his stance on an issue, or wish he'd risked his company in a different way, but dude is a Special Forces combat veteran.  Coward isn't an adjective that applies.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 08:43:03 AM
I guess his statement was okay, given the circumstances. Better than I thought it would be from reading statements about his statement before I heard his statement. :)

I think he could have made it like 10 seconds though, and just made some simple statement about "we're not involved in the Rittenhouse thing either way, he happened to be wearing one of our shirts." Long ass explanations make people think you're dancing around the issue.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
I guess he will find out how well he knows his customer base.

An active neutral stance "feels" no different than a disavowal.

He probably should have just refused to speak with the media as neutrality is no win situation and looks weak.

Refusing to speak with the media and being dismissive towards them would have been the better play IMHO.

As it stands they are still connected with Kyle due to the photo and they apparently po'd a lot of customers.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
I guess his statement was okay, given the circumstances. Better than I thought it would be from reading statements about his statement before I heard his statement. :)

I think he could have made it like 10 seconds though, and just made some simple statement about "we're not involved in the Rittenhouse thing either way, he happened to be wearing one of our shirts." Long ass explanations make people think you're dancing around the issue.

Nowadays with so many people looking for any excuse to be offended and/or be outraged it doesn't matter why he was wearing it. Look at the outrage that started over the Goya/Trump thing. If they find out he was wearing Hanes underwear you can bet dollars to donuts they will be calling for a boycott of Hanes
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: dogmush on November 23, 2020, 10:31:26 AM
I guess he will find out how well he knows his customer base.

An active neutral stance "feels" no different than a disavowal.

He probably should have just refused to speak with the media as neutrality is no win situation and looks weak.

Refusing to speak with the media and being dismissive towards them would have been the better play IMHO.

As it stands they are still connected with Kyle due to the photo and they apparently po'd a lot of customers.

I don't think so.  I think they PO'd like 50 customers and a couple hundred internet folk who weren't buying expensive, small batch, rifle themed coffee anyway.

They had to say something because the mob started a social media rumor that they were dumping advertising partners over it.  (it was a big deal in the Coffee Club FB group for a couple hours)

As I understand it from watching it in real time, it went like so:

1. Blaze Media person posted the pic, and included an existing BRCC Promo code (from an existing deal in between BRCC and Blaze)
2. Twitter freaks out that BRCC sponsor's Kyle with promo code.
3. BRCC messages person who posted tweet and says some version of "Hey, maybe don't have the code in the Tweet with Kyle, it looks like we are taking more of a stand then we want to."  Blaze Tweeter removes code.
4. Twitter Freaks out that BRCC has caved to the mob and has dumped Blaze Media as an advertising partner.
5. Frothing at the mouth ensues.
6. Evan releases 2:20 video saying no-one's advertising or promo deal was dumped, he just doesn't want to profit on a situation where people died.
7. less than 2 min after the 2:20 video is posted Twitter is again frothing at the mouth about BRCC "disavowing" Kyle.  (I guess Kyle is on the IM team now....)

and here we are.

I am sipping my Silencer smooth as I type this, but if it's just to far past the pale for anyone to buy coffee from someone that said something on the internet, let me draw your attention to www.invadercoffee.com . They are another veteran owned, expensive, small batch coffee roaster to fill your needs.  (Although they are headquartered in Austin, so Gods only know what whacko *expletive deleted*it they might be into)

It's a brave new world[internet]: you must choose sides and once you have the other side is sub-human and must be destroyed.  That attitude has never had consequences before. 
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 23, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
I don't drink coffee but if I did I would buy some from them.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
Went into KyGunCo and they had it cheaper than I can find it on the internet and not much more than reg coffee. Tried it and didn't think it was anything special. It's not bad just nothing to get excited over.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
The larger issue the BRCC thing gets into is, are only certain people allowed to buy certain products, and do businesses have to screen their customers to ensure they meet cancel culture approval? As a German descendant, am I allowed to have a WW1 German Imperial flag (which I actually have hanging on a wall). Some white supremacists are now using it instead of the nazi flag, I have read. So I have to take it down because of what someone else is doing? Or Amazon has to stop selling them?

There's probably a whole lot of reprobates out their wearing BRCC shirts or drinking from their mugs. There are also those who half the country thinks are reprobates but the other half applauds. Companies now have to make these decisions for people and choose sides, kinda like facebook and twitter are doing?
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 10:54:32 AM
I don't think so.

Hopefully for their sake you are correct.

They did nothing to get dragged into that issue other than virtue signal their support of black rifles and self defense.



Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2020, 11:01:37 AM

It's a brave new world[internet]: you must choose sides and once you have the other side is sub-human and must be destroyed.  That attitude has never had consequences before.  

Like comparing them to a virus that needs to be "snuffed-out"

Quote
   Republicanism is no longer a political problem; Republicanism is a social problem. It must be treated in the same way coronavirus is treated: it has to be isolated and snuffed-out by repressing it in about 70% of the general population.

    — Jerry Saltz (@jerrysaltz) November 21, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/hot-take-art-critic-says-republicanism-needs-to-isolated-and-snuffed-out-in-the-same-way-as-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 23, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
The larger issue the BRCC thing gets into is, are only certain people allowed to buy certain products, and do businesses have to screen their customers to ensure they meet cancel culture approval? As a German descendant, am I allowed to have a WW1 German Imperial flag (which I actually have hanging on a wall). Some white supremacists are now using it instead of the nazi flag, I have read. So I have to take it down because of what someone else is doing? Or Amazon has to stop selling them?

Everyone is a thought criminal.  Everyone awaits their turn in Room 101.

BTW, displaying the Imperial German flag is illegal in Germany.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 23, 2020, 11:52:55 AM
Like comparing them to a virus that needs to be "snuffed-out"
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/hot-take-art-critic-says-republicanism-needs-to-isolated-and-snuffed-out-in-the-same-way-as-the-coronavirus/

Looks like Mr. Art Critic deleted his tweet.  Tends to happen after being outed as a fascist.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 23, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
Like comparing them to a virus that needs to be "snuffed-out"
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/hot-take-art-critic-says-republicanism-needs-to-isolated-and-snuffed-out-in-the-same-way-as-the-coronavirus/

Interesting that he states republicanism is in seventy percent (70%) of the citizenry.  So liberals and progressives are really only 30%?  Would seem to support allegations that the only way dems win (at least the presidency) is with vote fraud.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Devonai on November 23, 2020, 09:31:51 PM
He's including 20% of centrists and left-leaning centrists that aren't woke enough.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 24, 2020, 01:01:31 AM
(https://files.catbox.moe/rii1bq.jpg)
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 24, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
He's including 20% of centrists and left-leaning centrists that aren't woke enough.

That seems to be an assumption.
Title: Re: Police shooting in Kenosha Wisconsin
Post by: Devonai on November 24, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
It was snark, sorry for not clarifying.