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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on October 08, 2020, 08:47:15 AM
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Looks like debate #2 is off. They made it virtual and Trump just now told Maria Bartiromo that he won't participate in a virtual debate where the moderator has remote control and where Biden can be surrounded by his handlers to feed him responses.
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The media spin will be is that Trump is afraid to debate Biden
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Biden will say Trump lost the first debate and is scared to lose another.
Trump will say he won the first debate despite being unfair so now they're trying to rig it even more.
I think both campaigns will get about equal mileage out of it. Not having the debate isn't going to really hurt either of them, although having it probably wouldn't make much difference either.
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I think there still might be a debate #2. I'm sure Trump is using "won't participate" as a bargaining chip to get the commission to change to another format. Whether they do so or not, we shall see. I do agree that if #2 goes the same as #1, no great loss.
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This is a bad move for Trump in my opinion. The optics are bad all around. Yes, most rational, thinking voters would consider the debates pretty much worthless political theater. But rational, thinking voters are in the minority.
Firstly, this decision makes Trump look like he is willing to spread the beer virus by demanding a live debate. Yes, rational people know he wouldn't spread the virus, but there are too many irrational folks that he needs to persuade. He just gave them up.
Second, this makes him look like he is afraid to debate Biden. We know this is not the case, but the perception of many low information, emotional, and single-issue voters will be negative. These are people he needs to convince to vote for him, and he just kissed a large number of them off.
Trump lost much of the influence he might have had on still undecided voters and any Democrats that might have been thinking about voting for him. His campaign is at a point where he needs every possible vote he can garner. His already slim chance of being re-elected is growing slimmer by the day with decisions like this.
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Biden lost the first debate, and is trying to dodge the second.
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His handlers don't want to take a chance on Biden catching C19 until after the election if you catch my drift
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Now Trump is calling for staging the last two debates as in-person events, just push them back a week from their original dates. A virtual debate is still a no-go.
A good move, but this is how he should have handled the virtual debate issue from the start. I still believe he will suffer some net loss of votes because of how this whole thing was dealt with.
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Now Trump is calling for staging the last two debates as in-person events, just push them back a week from their original dates. A virtual debate is still a no-go.
A good move, but this is how he should have handled the virtual debate issue from the start. I still believe he will suffer some net loss of votes because of how this whole thing was dealt with.
So another day of business as usual for Team Trump.
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The President is now Covid-negative. (https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-on-consecutive-days-no-longer-infectious-to-others-wh-doctor-says)
But Biden will still chicken out of the second debate, and Trump will be seen as the bad guy. ;/
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The last debate will be the last time Trump is ever on a debate stage so this opens up a nice possibility for him since he doesn't have to worry about being invited back, or that no one will agree to debate him or what some new set of rules are or who the moderator might be.
So Trump should ignore the rules entirely and just go on the attack and never let Biden get a word in.
Push Joe to the point where he breaks.
Imagine pushing him so hard he cannot get up the will to respond or even has to leave the stage.
That would be epic.
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The last debate will be the last time Trump is ever on a debate stage
Assuming he doesn't back out of the last one too. There are still some rule changes coming (probably mic control) that he may not find to his liking.
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Assuming he doesn't back out of the last one too. There are still some rule changes coming (probably mic control) that he may not find to his liking.
The last debate (and first) or the last debate that happens in the future?
How much more imbalanced can they make the debate format in their attempt to take down Trump? M
Maybe they will give Biden the option to have three Democrats represent him and they along with the moderator can debate Trump, who gets timed two minute responses.
The Biden team will have unlimited time to refute his "lies".
Biden will make a prerecorded opening and closing statement.
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Assuming he doesn't back out of the last one too. There are still some rule changes coming (probably mic control) that he may not find to his liking.
"Too?" Has he backed out of some other debate?
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"Too?" Has he backed out of some other debate?
You could just make your point, if you have one, instead of asking silly questions.
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You could just make your point, if you have one, instead of asking silly questions.
You could blame the people that refused to hold the debate, instead of blaming the President.
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You could blame the people that refused to hold the debate, instead of blaming the President.
You could "blame" the candidates/campaigns for not following the rules of the first debate.
You could "blame" whoever brought the coronavirus into the Whitehouse and got 30+ people infected.
I don't "blame" anyone for reacting to this series of events as they did. It doesn't seem like either campaign thought they really needed the debate scheduled for this week and I have no complaints about it not happening.
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You could "blame" the candidates/campaigns for not following the rules of the first debate.
You could "blame" whoever brought the coronavirus into the Whitehouse and got 30+ people infected.
I don't "blame" anyone for reacting to this series of events as they did. It doesn't seem like either campaign thought they really needed the debate scheduled for this week and I have no complaints about it not happening.
A slick answer, but why are you trying to suggest that Trump "backed out" of a debate?
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It appears they are now having competing town halls this week on the same day and time. Trump on NBC, Biden on ABC. The ratings on each network might be one of the more accurate polls. :laugh:
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why are you trying to suggest that Trump "backed out" of a debate?
Because he backed out of the debate that was scheduled for tomorrow.
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Because he backed out of the debate that was scheduled for tomorrow.
So the never Trumpers (fake conservatives) can just change the format at will and Trump must go along?
The never Trumpers (fake republicans) are such losers (never win/conserve nothing) that I agree with Trump not giving them a platform to promote their leftist drivel.
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So the never Trumpers (fake conservatives) can just change the format at will and Trump must go along?
The never Trumpers (fake republicans) are such losers (never win/conserve nothing) that I agree with Trump not giving them a platform to promote their leftist drivel.
Ok, so he had a good reason to back out. That doesn't change what happened.
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Sigh. He didn't back out. The Commission backed out; probably to protect Biden.
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Sigh. He didn't back out. The Commission backed out; probably to protect Biden.
The Debate Commission and their debates have zero credibility, they are just an arm of the leftist media complex.
The presidential debates have been enemy territory for decades.
This is just one of the reasons the term kuk became popular.
Advocating that your own guy/gal/side submit to the ritual humiliation of leftist sadists is the very essence of being a kuk, it's a sickness.
For decades Republicans have dutifully marched into slaughters designed by their enemies, laying down their arms without a fight "on principle".
Trump may not be the answer but he shows the way often.
Stop letting your enemy choose the battlefield.
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I'd consider the debate commission to be closer to fair when they start including people like Mark Levine and Sean Hannity as moderators.
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These dueling townhalls tonight should be interesting. Or at least the aftermath analysis will be. I will be very curious (referring to a comment at the link) to see tomorrow's analysis of people at Trump's townhall to see how many of the "undecided" audience are actually Biden supporters and dem operatives.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/15/what-bias-nyts-ben-smith-says-nbc-under-enormous-pressure-to-make-town-hall-a-nightmare-for-trump/
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"Ladies and gentlemen. The President of the United States, Donald J. Trum......." [Click]
"The NBC Television Network is experiencing temporary technical difficulties. The program will resume as soon as the technical difficulties are resolved."
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Of the 2, I think I'd rather watch Biden's, just for the gaffes. Don't know if I could take watching all the malicious dishonesty, though.
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So in Trump's Town Hall, where he is supposed to take questions from voters...
Questions* asked by the moderator = 43
Questions asked by voters = 10
*Most in the vain of, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
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Trump on NBC, Biden on ABC. The ratings on each network might be one of the more accurate polls. :laugh:
Looks like a tight race then.
Biden’s event on ABC, running from 8 to 10 p.m Eastern, averaged 13.9 million viewers. Trump, whose event aired from 8 to 9 p.m. Eastern, attracted an average of 13.06 million viewers across the NBC broadcast network and cable channels MSNBC and CNBC. In the hour where the two candidates were head-to-head, Biden led Trump as well with 14.1 million viewers.
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Looks like a tight race then.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/tiktok-effort-to-manipulate-biden-town-hall-youtube-ratings-fails/
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https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/tiktok-effort-to-manipulate-biden-town-hall-youtube-ratings-fails/
That "youth vote" fails to materialize for the umpteenth time.*
*I'm assuming tiktok is all children. I dunno. :old:
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Probably no way to tell, but I'd be curious if / how much the Hollywood celebrity boycott blitz affected ratings. I didn't see any ABC boycott movements of any significance.
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Looks like a tight race then.
The Nielsen ratings only measure viewership on TV sets. Both town halls were also live-streamed to phones, computers and other devices.
But there is no industry standard to measure all the various ways the town halls were streamed. In any event, that would be like trying to combine apples and oranges. In the apples to apples match-up between the two candidates, Biden had the better night.
I saw Tim Pool had a video saying Trump's streaming numbers were almost double Biden at over 4 million. So whatever.
I watched the Crowder stream for a few minutes, but got tired of hearing Biden drone on for minutes at a time saying nothing with no interruption.
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I saw Tim Pool had a video saying Trump's streaming numbers were almost double Biden at over 4 million. So whatever.
I watched the Crowder stream for a few minutes, but got tired of hearing Biden drone on for minutes at a time saying nothing with no interruption.
I wonder how many more were watching commentary streams.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NijVV7wdFvg
Media Ignores Total Ratings And Claims Trump LOST But Once Again Online Viewership PROVES Trump Won
Tim Pool just put this video out. =)
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I just like to think of all those cops who suddenly realized they can just shoot people in the leg a little bit, instead of killing them all the time. Man, cops are stupid!
But this Biden guy, though. He hasn't even been elected, and he's already solved police brutality! Can you imagine what he could do if he could just be in government for a few decades?
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I can't move off the shoot him in the leg thing.
"Cops hate him: this one weird trick is turning lethal encounters into totally chill arrests."
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Are the cops supposed to be on a balcony with a shotgun first?
I'm not totally clear about the new rules yet.
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Biden just wants the cops to take a knee.
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Biden just wants the cops to take a knee.
=D
Obviously, I'm totally on board with shooting people in the leg. I'm just finding it difficult to hit such a small target when I'm shooting through the door. (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door)
Two of the guys that knocked on my door I totally missed. Another guy I shot in the foot. The midget wasn't so lucky. Poor soul. I'd like to keep trying, and get it right, but no one seems to drop by anymore.
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but no one seems to drop by anymore.
Halloween is coming.