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Title: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: MillCreek on October 08, 2020, 04:04:33 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/08/921655143/militia-members-plotted-to-abduct-michigan-gov-whitmer-fbi-says

And target police officers and officials while you are at it.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Ron on October 08, 2020, 04:47:32 PM
This guy tracked down a youtube channel of one of the arrested.

https://mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: MillCreek on October 08, 2020, 05:00:59 PM
Perhaps I am giving too much credit from seeing too many movies and reading too many books, but I would assume that these sort of plots are penetrated by the FBI or others.  But then again Tim McVeigh pulled it off so maybe I am giving too much credit.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: bedlamite on October 08, 2020, 05:02:27 PM
Perhaps I am giving too much credit from seeing too many movies and reading too many books, but I would assume that these sort of plots are penetrated by the FBI or others.  But then again Tim McVeigh pulled it off so maybe I am giving too much credit.

The difference is intelligence and opsec. They need to be smart enough to shut their pie hole.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Ron on October 08, 2020, 05:10:06 PM
The article I read indicated at least one paid informant and I think they had someone who penetrated the group.

I could be wrong, it may have been the same guy (the paid informant).
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: grampster on October 08, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
One guy, Fox,  lives here in Grand Rapids.  The local media is breathlessly reporting that he, OMG, HAS 3 GUNS AND AMMO FOR THEM!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
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   I wonder where they got their motivation from. https://t.co/Sqw8k80SNY pic.twitter.com/mhdSMElz5F

    — Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) October 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/08/reality-checks-trip-up-rep-rashida-tlaibs-attempt-to-tie-trump-to-thwarted-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-gov-whitmer/

Hmmm, I wonder who she has in mind
Lets see
https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1314269356021424133?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Yep, all roads blame lead to Rome Orange Man
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 08, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
One guy, Fox,  lives here in Grand Rapids.  The local media is breathlessly reporting that he, OMG, HAS 3 GUNS AND AMMO FOR THEM!!!!!!!


OMG!!!!

Ammu-NI-tion? That's just HORRIBLE!
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: TommyGunn on October 08, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
The difference is intelligence and opsec. They need to be smart enough to shut their pie hole.

Yea .... don't use 55 year old MAN FROM UNCLE SECRET DECODER RINGS to communicate.   Apparently facebook.... or twitter, one of the social innernetz sites,  reported them.     
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 08, 2020, 08:29:15 PM
My guess is that the undercover FBI dudes that infiltrated the group were the ones that came up with the idea and the plans to implement it.
 :mad:
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 08, 2020, 08:30:22 PM
OMG!!!!

Ammu-NI-tion? That's just HORRIBLE!

Sometimes I imagine what the media would have to say about my meager collection of arms and ammo  >:D
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
Remember one story where they were in full panic mode over the guy's HUUUUGE ammo stash "Hundreds of Bullets!" Photo showed a brick of 22s.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: T.O.M. on October 08, 2020, 09:01:36 PM
To borrow a line from a friend...some people are taking this Ohio State v. Michigan thing entirely too far.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2020, 09:03:35 PM
Biden and the Governor are blaming Trump.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: bedlamite on October 08, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Biden and the Governor are blaming Trump.

In other news, water may, in fact, be wet.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 08, 2020, 10:23:26 PM
In other news, water may, in fact, be wet.

How dare you assume it's state of matter?
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2020, 10:52:06 PM
These guys may more anarchists than anything else and thus anti govt in general, one of their videos had the anarchist flag in the background and the guy was very anti police.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
To borrow a line from a friend...some people are taking this Ohio State v. Michigan thing entirely too far.
In the old days they just went after mascots.  Going after Governors might be a bit much.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: zahc on October 08, 2020, 11:22:15 PM
It's part of the playbook. The FLQ kidnapped and later killed a public official.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis


Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 09, 2020, 02:27:25 AM
My guess is that the undercover FBI dudes that infiltrated the group were the ones that came up with the idea and the plans to implement it.
 :mad:

It would be consistent with their track record.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2020, 07:57:40 AM
On the radio the straight news broadcast (on WLS) it was being framed as "militia", "white supremacists", "Trumps fault".

Fake news has to be the most brilliant and obvious meme ever.

Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 09, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
These guys may more anarchists than anything else and thus anti govt in general, one of their videos had the anarchist flag in the background and the guy was very anti police.

I forgot tp provide a link to the video, sorry about that, but guess what popped up on Twitchy

‘Wow! This is big.’ Bombshell video proves 1 of the ringleaders arrested in plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is anti-Trump (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/09/wow-this-is-big-bombshell-video-proves-1-of-the-ringleaders-arrested-in-plot-to-kidnap-gov-gretchen-whitmer-is-anti-trump-watch/
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: HankB on October 09, 2020, 12:05:28 PM
I remember in the years immediately following the OKC bombing, someone suggested that all "militias" had essentially become government organizations since over half the members were government agents.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Andiron on October 09, 2020, 08:39:01 PM
In the old days they just went after mascots.  Going after Governors might be a bit much.

If Michigan wants a reprisal shot at Dewine I'm fine with it.  Sort of like a penalty kick in soccer or something. 
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2020, 09:35:56 AM
Instead of the booga loo we get the arrest of a "white supremacist militia" run by a an anti-fa type anarchist and paid government "informant".

   
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 16, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/michigan-bans-gun-open-carry-at-election-day-polling-places-after-whitmer-kidnap-plot.html

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Michigan’s secretary of state banned the open carry of guns at polling places and other official voting locations on Election Day in the state.

The move comes on the heels of arrests related to an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Fourteen men charged in the cases have ties to militia groups, officials say.

Would someone familiar with Michigan law please enlighten me: does the Secretary of State have that authority?
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 19, 2020, 12:02:35 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/michigan-bans-gun-open-carry-at-election-day-polling-places-after-whitmer-kidnap-plot.html

Would someone familiar with Michigan law please enlighten me: does the Secretary of State have that authority?


Pretty certain it's already illegal to carry in a polling place.  Making it double-secret-illegaler isn't going to change much.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on October 19, 2020, 12:12:01 PM
Pretty certain it's already illegal to carry in a polling place.  Making it double-secret-illegaler isn't going to change much.

Like hate crime laws?
Already was/is illegal to beat someone up or murder them but for some reason it makes some people feel better to make it double illegal if race/gender/feelings are involved
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 19, 2020, 12:26:19 PM
Like hate crime laws?
Already was/is illegal to beat someone up or murder them but for some reason it makes some people feel better to make it double illegal if race/gender/feelings are involved

Since we know that everything anybody does is being recorded by someone, somewhere, today, obviously this just means if/when you decide to beat the crap out of some idjit who roundly deserves it it's important to loudly state for the record -- several times -- that you are administering an equal opportunity beat-down and that you do not discriminate on the basis of age, sex, gender orientation, race, color, religion, ethnicity, political affiliation, or phase of the moon.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Fly320s on October 19, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Pretty certain it's already illegal to carry in a polling place.  Making it double-secret-illegaler isn't going to change much.

I wonder about that.  The specific voting rules are controlled by the state and the voting location will probably be in a city owned or state owned building.  The only thing the federal government does is require an election.

Based on that, I don't know how fedgov has the authority to ban guns in a polling place.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Fly320s on October 19, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
To add to my last post, NH does not prohibit carrying firearms into a polling place.

When I went to look for a federal restriction on guns in polling places, I found this piece of anti-gun drivel that says the state is responsible for controlling guns in polling places.  https://www.csgv.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CSGV-GunsAtThePolls-X.pdf

The NY Times agrees with the above PDF.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/elections/its-legal-to-bring-guns-to-polling-places-in-five-battleground-states-a-new-study-says.html
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 28, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
Update: Michigan's open-carry ban has been struck down: 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-judge-block-ban-open-carry-guns-polling-places-election-day

Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on April 08, 2022, 03:38:43 PM
Update

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    BREAKING: Jurors acquitted two defendants of conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020 but couldn't agree on a verdict for two others. https://t.co/w1N9AvPOpH

    — The Associated Press (@AP) April 8, 2022

‘Stunning defeat for the government’: 2 men acquitted of plotting to kidnap Mich. Gov. Whitmer, hung jury on 2 others
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/08/stunning-defeat-for-the-government-2-men-acquitted-of-plotting-to-kidnap-mich-gov-whitmer-hung-jury-on-2-others/
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on April 08, 2022, 03:40:57 PM
Update

‘Stunning defeat for the government’: 2 men acquitted of plotting to kidnap Mich. Gov. Whitmer, hung jury on 2 others
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/08/stunning-defeat-for-the-government-2-men-acquitted-of-plotting-to-kidnap-mich-gov-whitmer-hung-jury-on-2-others/

Now they need to try the Fedbois that came up with the scheme in the first place.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: zahc on April 08, 2022, 04:12:15 PM
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The only thing the federal government does is require an election.

I don't even think it has to be an election. As long as the rules are set by the state legislature, it could be by appointment or by drawing names from a hat. As far as I know.
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 08, 2022, 09:13:13 PM
Now they need to try the Fedbois that came up with the scheme in the first place.

Thousands of comedians are out of work, and AZRedhawk44 tries to be funny. What a guy -- always kidding around!
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2022, 10:32:25 AM
With Joy Reid everything is about race.
Never mind the fact that they were anti-Trump, anti-police anarchists they're still somehow racist right wing extremists

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    Unreal…so in America in the year of our Lord 2022, you can plot to kidnap a Democratic woman governor to stage a show trial and hurt her or worse, because you don’t like COVID restrictions and walk, as long as you’re a white, right wing extremist. Holy jury nullification, Batman https://t.co/vKIWIJCSfI

    — Joy-Ann (Pro-Democracy) Reid 😷 (@JoyAnnReid) April 8, 2022
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/09/joy-reid-not-happy-nobody-was-convicted-of-plotting-to-kidnap-mich-gov-whitmer/
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: HankB on April 09, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
From what I've seen and read so far, there were more government people involved (undercover agents, informants, etc.) than actual accused conspirators.

How many Federal agents need to become part of a group before it can be considered an actual government agency?
Title: Re: Snatch and grab the Michigan governor
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
Now they need to try the Fedbois that came up with the scheme in the first place.

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    Is Gretchen Whitmer mad at the FBI for creating, organizing, financing and overseeing a plot to kidnap her?

    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 12, 2022
Glenn Greenwald has a question for Mich. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/13/glenn-greenwald-has-a-question-for-mich-gov-gretchen-whitmer/