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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on October 19, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/19/fire-all-of-them-more-than-650-teachers-called-in-sick-monday-in-idahos-largest-public-school-district/
650 teachers called in "sick".
But teachers are the real heroes (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAg9M-O9wGo).
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Wait wait wait, calling them "teachers" is disrespectful, now it's "educator", or some other similar pretentious bullshit.
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Wait wait wait, calling them "teachers" is disrespectful, now it's "educator", or some other similar pretentious bullshit.
propagandist
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These same teachers are going to the grocery store, Walmart, etc., where employees are showing up every day while making significantly less than a teacher's salary.
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These same teachers are going to the grocery store, Walmart, etc., where employees are showing up every day while making significantly less than a teacher's salary.
It's not going to happen, but all the people working at the grocery store, malwart, etc. have to chase these "teachers" out of their stores.
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These same teachers are going to the grocery store, Walmart, etc., where employees are showing up every day while making significantly less than a teacher's salary.
Yup. A friend of mine teaches in the Ferguson/Florissant School district in Missouri (Michael Brown's alma mater). Her salary is public knowledge. Once I saw it, while I'm happy she makes good money for what she does, I realized the old story of the undervalued public school teacher working for peanuts is - not true everywhere. I'm sure there are much less affluent districts, but some teachers at least are well compensated.
Oh, and I really do mean that I'm happy for her to be well-compensated. The stuff she deals with in her classroom of (I think) first-graders is heart-breaking. And she's a sweet, innocent girl, from rural Illinois, so it's a world apart from her own childhood.
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Yup. A friend of mine teaches in the Ferguson/Florissant School district in Missouri (Michael Brown's alma mater). Her salary is public knowledge. Once I saw it, while I'm happy she makes good money for what she does, I realized the old story of the undervalued public school teacher working for peanuts is - not true everywhere. I'm sure there are much less affluent districts, but some teachers at least are well compensated.
Plus bennies. Plus a nice pension. Looking up what teachers make is a good way for me to get depressed.
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Plus bennies. Plus a nice pension. Looking up what teachers make is a good way for me to get depressed.
Yep. In my area average around 90k before benefits. And of course only work 9 or so months out of the year. While I’m sure some deserve it, I know most don’t. Guaranteed raises based on degrees and years. Doesn’t really matter how effective of teachers they are. Granted it was 30+ years ago, but when I attended schools in one of the highest paid districts, some of the most educated were the worst, least effective. Oh and I almost forgot paid time off for sabbaticals for education, travel, etc. So we pay them to get advanced degrees that for most I question how it makes them better teachers and pay for the education and then give them a raise...
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Meh, If you want to require graduate degrees, you need to pay enough to make it worthwhile.
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My wife's district is the highest-paying in the state. Beginning teachers start at around $ 55K and the scale tops out at $ 122K. Based on her qualifications and credentials, my wife is at the top of the scale, and when she retires in three years, at the 30 year mark, her final salary will probably be around $ 130K. You guys should have either married a teacher in an affluent district, or worked as one yourselves!
By way of comparison, however, my nephew, who went to a third-tier school for computer science, is now a coder at Microsoft making $ 160K per year, with five years of experience. I have 37 years of experience, credentials and science/business/legal degrees and am not making as much as my nephew.
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Meh, If you want to require graduate degrees, you need to pay enough to make it worthwhile.
Who wants to require graduate degrees? I think they are worthless for most teachers. The unions got it built into contracts by donating to Dem politicians and going on strike every other year.
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My wife's district is the highest-paying in the state. Beginning teachers start at around $ 55K and the scale tops out at $ 122K. Based on her qualifications and credentials, my wife is at the top of the scale, and when she retires in three years, at the 30 year mark, her final salary will probably be around $ 130K. You guys should have either married a teacher in an affluent district, or worked as one yourselves!
By way of comparison, however, my nephew, who went to a third-tier school for computer science, is now a coder at Microsoft making $ 160K per year, with five years of experience. I have 37 years of experience, credentials and science/business/legal degrees and am not making as much as my nephew.
I think most teachers aren't worth that cost and it comes out of my property taxes, has nothing to do with being jealous of the salaries. I as a voter have to right to say they are payed more than the value of their work product.
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*paid. Certainly yours were. ;) (I jest, I jest)
I tend to agree with you that elementary and high school teachers needing graduate degrees is a sign of degree bloat, but they DO need those degrees to get hired, and that doesn't seem likely to change. If you don't pay enough that smart, good teachers jump through the required hoops, then you get dumb, bad teachers.
As far as the cost, public school is hideously inefficient in a lot of ways, but teachers salaries are bottom half of that list. We have a long way to go (at least here in Hillsborough County, FL) in spending my property taxes smarter before I get up in arms over teachers salaries.
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Since it appears my post started this salary debate, I'd like to clarify:
I think there are good and bad teachers getting overpaid. I think there are good and bad teachers getting underpaid.
My point was that these particular teachers, from one of the more affluent areas of Idaho, are certainly paid more than the Walmart greeter or the average grocery clerk around here, who is closer to $10/hr than $20/hr.
Those low paid people are going to their jobs every day, and, IMO, are at a much greater risk for the virus because they interact with people from everywhere, including out of state travelers. The teachers are interacting with the same group of kids for the entire school year, or semester, depending on grade. They have a much smaller potential infection pool, and schools are much more stringent about PPE and distancing than the stores I mentioned. Not to mention, the teachers themselves are not self-isolating. They are going to the grocery store, out to eat where they take their masks off, etc.
So in the case of this particular group of teachers, it seems more about some Idaho Education Association politics or similar than getting the virus, and their refusal to go to work is at odds with their everyday lives, and also selfish, considering all the low paid service workers that are doing their jobs.
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I think most teachers aren't worth that cost and it comes out of my property taxes, has nothing to do with being jealous of the salaries. I as a voter have to right to say they are payed more than the value of their work product.
On the local FB pages, I see the same sentiments, but about cops and firefighters instead (They sit around the station all day! They never get out of their cars!, All they do is write tickets instead of catching the tweaker who stole my stereo, etc.)
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So in the case of this particular group of teachers, it seems more about some Idaho Education Association politics or similar than getting the virus, and their refusal to go to work is at odds with their everyday lives, and also selfish, considering all the low paid service workers that are doing their jobs.
I roll my eyes at the teachers or office workers who claim this. I have been going to work every day in a healthcare facility filled with sick people, and so have my healthcare colleagues. I am still alive.
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*paid. Certainly yours were. ;) (I jest, I jest)
I tend to agree with you that elementary and high school teachers needing graduate degrees is a sign of degree bloat, but they DO need those degrees to get hired, and that doesn't seem likely to change. If you don't pay enough that smart, good teachers jump through the required hoops, then you get dumb, bad teachers.
As far as the cost, public school is hideously inefficient in a lot of ways, but teachers salaries are bottom half of that list. We have a long way to go (at least here in Hillsborough County, FL) in spending my property taxes smarter before I get up in arms over teachers salaries.
Different areas of the country are different. The vast majority of my property taxes go to shool funding and the majority of that is teachers salaries. I don’t even have a child in school and it costs me over 8000 per year in those taxes alone.
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On the local FB pages, I see the same sentiments, but about cops and firefighters instead (They sit around the station all day! They never get out of their cars!, All they do is write tickets instead of catching the tweaker who stole my stereo, etc.)
I might agree about cops, no paid firefighters where I live. Volunteers only.
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I roll my eyes at the teachers or office workers who claim this. I have been going to work every day in a healthcare facility filled with sick people, and so have my healthcare colleagues. I am still alive.
But are you, really?
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I see from my property taxes that out of the $5401.11 I pay per year, $ 1319.80 goes to my local school district. I actually pay more in the aggregate for the local fire district and public hospital district. I have never used the services of the school district, fire district or hospital district. Huh.
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I see from my property taxes that out of the $5401.11 I pay per year, $ 1319.80 goes to my local school district. I actually pay more in the aggregate for the local fire district and public hospital district. I have never used the services of the school district, fire district or hospital district. Huh.
Schools also typically get state and federal taxes. A lot of the state budget.
https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/budget/statebudget/highlights/budget20/2020_Balance.pdf
Let's see here ... of the Washington State Near General Fund accounts, K-12 schools get $27.4 billion. Higher education gets $4.1 billion.
All other state budget items added up $21.9 billion. So more state budget is spent on K-12 than everything else combined.
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One of my gripes with teachers is the districts where they try to pressure the school district to limit classrooms to 20 students per class for "more personalized attention". The real scheme here that limiting to 20 instead of, say, 30, more teachers have to be hired, and now at higher salaries because of the greater demand.
If you have 60 students and 30 to a room, 2 teachers. 60 students and 20 to a room, 3 teachers. Oh, no, we have to hire another teacher! And now they're scarcer than before so we have to pay a higher salary!
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Since it appears my post started this salary debate, I'd like to clarify:
I think there are good and bad teachers getting overpaid. I think there are good and bad teachers getting underpaid.
My point was that these particular teachers, from one of the more affluent areas of Idaho, are certainly paid more than the Walmart greeter or the average grocery clerk around here, who is closer to $10/hr than $20/hr.
Those low paid people are going to their jobs every day, and, IMO, are at a much greater risk for the virus because they interact with people from everywhere, including out of state travelers. The teachers are interacting with the same group of kids for the entire school year, or semester, depending on grade. They have a much smaller potential infection pool, and schools are much more stringent about PPE and distancing than the stores I mentioned. Not to mention, the teachers themselves are not self-isolating. They are going to the grocery store, out to eat where they take their masks off, etc.
So in the case of this particular group of teachers, it seems more about some Idaho Education Association politics or similar than getting the virus, and their refusal to go to work is at odds with their everyday lives, and also selfish, considering all the low paid service workers that are doing their jobs.
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For those who seem to think that public employees get paid too much, what is a reasonable salary for teacher?
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For those who seem to think that public employees get paid too much, what is a reasonable salary for teacher?
Personally I don’t think I can give an exact number. My problem is more to do with bad teachers making a lot of money. And often the bad ones making the most. At least when I was in school often the worst teachers were those who had been there for a very long time making the maximum. I also have a problem with public employee unions. They shouldn’t be allowed to go on strike every other year to force raises.
A good baseline though might be that median income in a region should be close to the average teacher salary. No offense to anyone, but realistically elementary and junior high teaching isn’t exactly a particularly skilled position. Charter and parochial schools often produce better results with non union teachers being payed less than in my opinion mostly overpaid union counterparts.
Of course this is from the perspective of an area of Pennsylvania known for inflated teacher salaries. Ymmv in other areas of the country that do things differently.
Now despite my personal experiences with teachers in school and knowing many later in life. I might feel differently if there was some evidence than more pay yielded better results, but the more we increase the budgets including teacher salaries year after year there is no evidence that public schools are producing better results, quite the contrary in most places.
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Mistaken post.
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My problem is more to do with bad teachers making a lot of money. And often the bad ones making the most. At least when I was in school often the worst teachers were those who had been there for a very long time making the maximum.
That is a management problem not documenting the progressive failures of the bad teachers when they are not meeting annual appraisal goals and objectives. Document properly and the union has no leg to stand on defending an employee.
I also have a problem with public employee unions. They shouldn’t be allowed to go on strike every other year to force raises.
Part of that is the problem of having elected people as the ultimate boss (i.e. governor, state legislators and senators) and they consistently don't act upon or fail to negotiate contract demands (either refuse demands or give into all demands). Also many places it is illegal for public employees to go on strike, for example in Iowa. Strike=arrested and jail.
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That is a management problem not documenting the progressive failures of the bad teachers when they are not meeting annual appraisal goals and objectives. Document properly and the union has no leg to stand on defending an employee.
In PA, I believe the administrators. Principals for example are also union, either affiliated or part of psea. So they protect each other. Absent abuse of children, indictable criminal acts, etc. it is very difficult to fire teachers here. They don’t have to perform to any metrics. It’s very difficult to get rid of any teachers that have made it through a few years and almost impossible for new teachers to get jobs without knowing someone for an in.
Part of that is the problem of having elected people as the ultimate boss (i.e. governor, state legislators and senators) and they consistently don't act upon or fail to negotiate contract demands (either refuse demands or give into all demands). Also many places it is illegal for public employees to go on strike, for example in Iowa. Strike=arrested and jail.
No such thing here. They strike all the time. There is some local district or other on strike every single year. They are really only accountable to local school boards. Basically the teachers unions spend a fortune electing people that will back them, mostly Democrats, then they are the ones they negotiate with for terms. Then they use strikes as leverage.
Oh and those same school boards determine school/property tax increases.
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In PA, I believe the administrators. Principals for example are also union, either affiliated or part of psea. So they protect each other. Absent abuse of children, indictable criminal acts, etc. it is very difficult to fire teachers here. They don’t have to perform to any metrics. It’s very difficult to get rid of any teachers that have made it through a few years and almost impossible for new teachers to get jobs without knowing someone for an in.
Here management/administration (many times non faculty aren't either, think cooks/custodians/secretaries) are not allowed to be in unions (not all school districts in Iowa have teacher unions)
No such thing here. They strike all the time. There is some local district or other on strike every single year. They are really only accountable to local school boards. Basically the teachers unions spend a fortune electing people that will back them, mostly Democrats, then they are the ones they negotiate with for terms. Then they use strikes as leverage.
Oh and those same school boards determine school/property tax increases.
For a school board to raise taxes (new levy) it has to be put to a vote by the residents in the district at the next election. Our property taxes are set by a mix of state legislature (max % law), the county auditor w/assessor and state department of revenue.
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All that just says there is not a real market for teacher labor that involves actual competition for jobs so we don't know what teacher's salaries should be.
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An awfully juvenile response from a teacher.
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a load off someone's mind.
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Common core syllabus?
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Common core syllabus?
Critical race theory
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2+2=5
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Probably from a cow rather than a bull anyway.
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An awfully juvenile response from a teacher.
A picture is worth a thousand words dude!
I also find it most appropriate and descriptive.
Most of us work our asses off, especially now. I am doing 60 plus hours weeks in Arizona which has been at the ass end of educational funding for the last 30 years. I am in my 31st year and make 60k and that is working summers.
So yeah I take offense to these gross labels with little thought
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An awfully juvenile response from a teacher.
and you're cool with the subject title?
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and you're cool with the subject title?
If it makes a difference, I think it's exactly as true as the ACAB slogan, but I thought it appropriate to make the same leap to blame all teachers for the actions of a few as it is to blame cops.
It was said satirically, not earnestly.
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A picture is worth a thousand words dude!
I also find it most appropriate and descriptive.
Most of us work our asses off, especially now. I am doing 60 plus hours weeks in Arizona which has been at the ass end of educational funding for the last 30 years. I am in my 31st year and make 60k and that is working summers.
So yeah I take offense to these gross labels with little thought
I am sure everyone had you in mind when they were commenting. =D
I was just pointing out teaching is pretty much a govt job. If it were to all go private sector, the pay scale might change, but it wouldn't be zero. It might even be higher. The main change I would predict is less money spent on administration and school campuses/buildings.
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You city folk do know what's in that picture, right? It struck me that quite a few might not have had direct experience with one.
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You city folk do know what's in that picture, right? It struck me that quite a few might not have had direct experience with one.
And some of us have too much experience. They don't call them muck boots for nothing. :laugh:
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A picture is worth a thousand words dude!
I also find it most appropriate and descriptive.
Most of us work our asses off, especially now. I am doing 60 plus hours weeks in Arizona which has been at the ass end of educational funding for the last 30 years. I am in my 31st year and make 60k and that is working summers.
So yeah I take offense to these gross labels with little thought
Back when I worked for an AZ school district, I knew several teachers in their 50's that were making upwards of $80k. Not principals or administrators. This was around 2004.
And they had summers off.
I know they had summers off because I was classified staff rather than certified, and I worked all summer. Parking lots are empty, classrooms are empty, often times computer networks are torn down and reconfigured.
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Back when I worked for an AZ school district, I knew several teachers in their 50's that were making upwards of $80k. Not principals or administrators. This was around 2004.
And they had summers off.
I know they had summers off because I was classified staff rather than certified, and I worked all summer. Parking lots are empty, classrooms are empty, often times computer networks are torn down and reconfigured.
yep, summer's the time to get all the maintenance stuff done. If you have a project, that's when it gets done. If you have a crew in to recable, that's when.
I don't miss being at the school. (When, more than once, more than twice, you have teachers abruptly quit in the middle of the school year, you know there's something going on that you're not seeing.)
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and you're cool with the subject title?
Didn't notice, but at least the rest of us can use our words, and a modicum of class.
Plus, what makattak said.
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The main change I would predict is less money spent on administration and school campuses/buildings.
I've noticed that private schools (primary and secondary) are just as bloated with administration and buildings as the public schools.
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Didn't notice, but at least the rest of us can use our words, and a modicum of class.
Plus, what makattak said.
Gonna go with the Bee here. Calling a forum member a Bastard, and not clearly spelling it out as satire, at least deserves a response. His pic was as eloquent as a note reading "Nuts!" would have been, and communicated his intent as clearly as words.
Broad brushes in general are a bad idea, and usually impolite.
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Gonna go with the Bee here. Calling a forum member a Bastard, and not clearly spelling it out as satire, at least deserves a response. His pic was as eloquent as a note reading "Nuts!" would have been, and communicated his intent as clearly as words.
Broad brushes in general are a bad idea, and usually impolite.
As the OP I think he deserved an explanation, and so I gave one. I also thought his post was pretty funny.
While I am passionate about the damage the education system has done and is doing to this country, I'm well aware many, possibly even most teachers aren't the biggest problem.
Additionally, a $60,000 salary after 30 years while working summers is right in line with what I think a teacher should be making. I have no problems with Mr. Bee, specifically, though I do have a problems with a lot of members of his profession.
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While I am passionate about the damage the education system has done and is doing to this country, I'm well aware many, possibly even most teachers aren't the biggest problem.
The problem with our public education system begins at the top. Starting with the US Department of Education right down to the individual districts. We have districts with far too high of a ratio of administrators to teachers. The classroom teachers cannot discipline the students. Students are not held accountable. Parents blame the teachers when their little *expletive deleted*ing angel won't do the assigned work. The lowest common denominator in the goal. My daughter is currently a teacher in one of the top 3 largest school districts in the state in a large metro district. Her students this year are predominantly "Spanish as a first language" demographic. Last year she was in a school where the primary demographic was "Ebonics as a first language". She was one of only 3 non-black teachers in the school. more than a few attempts to correct improper behavior of a student resulted in her being cursed at by the students. At least 2 parents accused her of racism because she wouldn't give the students a passing grade even though the student totally failed to do the work or turn in assignments. Her Principle and Superintendent did not have her back.
Public education in this country is a failed experiment that needs to be completely rebooted.
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The lowest common denominator in the goal.
100% truthiness here.
Outcome Based Education was the first strike.
No Child Left Behind was the second.
Common Core is the third.
OBE slowed the pace of material, dictating that new material cannot be presented to a class until a certain saturation rate had been achieved with grasp of the current material.
NCLB made it far more difficult to force a child to repeat a grade. And it bored the gifted kids to tears, and basically manufactured the "ADD" plague from thin air.
CC takes away diverse/multiple ways of teaching a concept, and forces presentation of that concept using techniques tailored to the worst performers.
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^^^ And I would add, from the opinion of my wife, the concept of 'teaching to the test'. There is now major emphasis on the performance of the kids on standardized tests, and curriculum, teaching materials and class schedules are designed to achieve that goal, and teachers have little room to deviate. Performance on standardized tests may or may not be an especially good proxy for a good education.
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As the OP I think he deserved an explanation, and so I gave one. I also thought his post was pretty funny.
While I am passionate about the damage the education system has done and is doing to this country, I'm well aware many, possibly even most teachers aren't the biggest problem.
Additionally, a $60,000 salary after 30 years while working summers is right in line with what I think a teacher should be making. I have no problems with Mr. Bee, specifically, though I do have a problems with a lot of members of his profession.
Your response is appreciated! Thank you!
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100% truthiness here.
Outcome Based Education was the first strike.
No Child Left Behind was the second.
Common Core is the third.
OBE slowed the pace of material, dictating that new material cannot be presented to a class until a certain saturation rate had been achieved with grasp of the current material.
NCLB made it far more difficult to force a child to repeat a grade. And it bored the gifted kids to tears, and basically manufactured the "ADD" plague from thin air.
CC takes away diverse/multiple ways of teaching a concept, and forces presentation of that concept using techniques tailored to the worst performers.
I agree with so much of this! I am a Montessori trained teacher and even in traditional schools still use her philosophy. Students are in multiage rooms and we strive for them to be self reliant, work on their own, and develop a love of learning and ability to question.
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Back when I worked for an AZ school district, I knew several teachers in their 50's that were making upwards of $80k. Not principals or administrators. This was around 2004.
And they had summers off.
I know they had summers off because I was classified staff rather than certified, and I worked all summer. Parking lots are empty, classrooms are empty, often times computer networks are torn down and reconfigured.
And shortly after than the funding was cut. Schools in 2020 are funded less (in REAL DOLLARS, not adjusted for inflation) than in 2008
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Gonna go with the Bee here. Calling a forum member a Bastard, and not clearly spelling it out as satire, at least deserves a response. His pic was as eloquent as a note reading "Nuts!" would have been, and communicated his intent as clearly as words.
Broad brushes in general are a bad idea, and usually impolite.
Appreciated dude!
There are bad individuals in all professions and we need to think of them as individuals! Don't gloss everyone with the same BS covered brush.
I hate the idea of tenure and it doesn't exist in AZ. Bad teachers need to go! Great teachers need to be appreciated and paid. I hate seeing strong union districts with teachers who just go to a building and read all day and get paid--not allowed to teach, but still won't/can't get fired
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I agree with so much of this! I am a Montessori trained teacher and even in traditional schools still use her philosophy. Students are in multiage rooms and we strive for them to be self reliant, work on their own, and develop a love of learning and ability to question.
My boy is attending a charter montessori elementary school. Gonna do everything possible for him to NOT attend a public school.
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My boy is attending a charter montessori elementary school. Gonna do everything possible for him to NOT attend a public school.
Excellent! I've taught at Montessori Education Centre in Mesa ( charter), Johnson Elementary in Mesa (part of Mesa Public Schools), and Sedona Charter School. All excellent choices. I don't know of a Montessori in Arizona to shy away from.
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His pic was as eloquent as a note reading "Nuts!" would have been, and communicated his intent as clearly as words.
Uh, no. Photos of bovine droppings are not elegant. "Nuts" would indeed have been a much better option.
I notice the thread title has not been changed. ???
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^^^ And I would add, from the opinion of my wife, the concept of 'teaching to the test'. There is now major emphasis on the performance of the kids on standardized tests, and curriculum, teaching materials and class schedules are designed to achieve that goal, and teachers have little room to deviate. Performance on standardized tests may or may not be an especially good proxy for a good education.
The teachers here now tell the students to purposefully throw the first test and then do well on the next ones to show improvement across the board.
But then they screech that we don’t pay enough in taxes for this high *expletive deleted*in quality government education...
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Uh, no. Photos of bovine droppings are not elegant. "Nuts" would indeed have been a much better option.
I notice the thread title has not been changed. ???
I changed the purposefully clickbait headline. Happy now?
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The teachers here now tell the students to purposefully throw the first test and then do well on the next ones to show improvement across the board.
But then they screech that we don’t pay enough in taxes for this high *expletive deleted*in quality government education...
That's some serious ethics violations right there. I'd get that behavior squashed at the school board level right-quick. Get primary testimony from several kids who were told that, and get the teacher fired.
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The teachers here now tell the students to purposefully throw the first test and then do well on the next ones to show improvement across the board.
But then they screech that we don’t pay enough in taxes for this high *expletive deleted*in quality government education...
Hell, it's almost like you get more of what you subsidize.
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The teachers here now tell the students to purposefully throw the first test and then do well on the next ones to show improvement across the board.
But then they screech that we don’t pay enough in taxes for this high *expletive deleted*in quality government education...
If so, and if performance bonuses were tied to growth, that sounds like fraud.
Usually growth for evaluation purposes is from the end of the previous year to the end of the current year.