Post by: Desertdog on September 25, 2007, 01:59:40 PM
That is the topic on John Gibson radio show today.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 25, 2007, 02:01:13 PM
Post by: Paddy on September 25, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 25, 2007, 03:09:42 PM
Post by: Nitrogen on September 25, 2007, 03:14:25 PM
I'd rather not die, thanks
Post by: RevDisk on September 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Yes.
Seriously, both are kinda unpopular. Worse, uh... I plead the 1st, 2nd and 5th. Ninth and Tenth for good measure.
The really interesting question would be to ask which one is more out of touch with reality.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on September 25, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
Post by: Desertdog on September 25, 2007, 05:12:20 PM
Post by: Finch on September 25, 2007, 09:59:26 PM
Seriously, both are kinda unpopular. Worse, uh... I plead the 1st, 2nd and 5th. Ninth and Tenth for good measure.
Yeah but both of those guys don't care about the constitution, so your pleads are futile.
Ron Paul is a modern day messiah fisty, don't you forget it
Post by: Manedwolf on September 26, 2007, 04:47:59 AM
Imajihad is one of the former Iran embassy terrorists who actively supports the stoning of women and hanging of homosexuals in their public squares, who oversees the smuggling of IEDs to Iraq that are killing our soldiers, who wants a nuclear weapon to use on Israel.
Yeah, that's really tough.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 26, 2007, 08:02:41 AM
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Post by: MechAg94 on September 26, 2007, 08:55:16 AM
I agree with the statement above. The idiot who asked the question is worse than both.
Post by: Desertdog on September 26, 2007, 11:00:59 AM
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So is this intended to be another Bush Hate thread?
No, it is not a hate Bush thread. It is a "Which members hates Bush" thread so we can ignore them in the future when they say something stupid about President Bush.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 26, 2007, 11:02:23 AM
Post by: wooderson on September 26, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
Post by: Tallpine on September 26, 2007, 11:24:11 AM
Post by: Bogie on September 26, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
Post by: roo_ster on September 26, 2007, 02:53:22 PM
We are on the same page of music WRT the taxpayers footing the bill for sports venues. That rubs me raw.
That is nothing, though, compared to the out & out savagery perpetrated by the likes of Amediwhosis.
Post by: wooderson on September 26, 2007, 03:05:28 PM
His apparent views on social justice are no worse than any of our allies (or enemies) in the region: but I rarely see those complaining about Ablahblahblah talking about the evils of the Kuwaiti rulers, the House of Saud, certain groups of friendly Iraqis, Musharraf, etc. et al. Only difference is, Ablahblahblah isn't feeding us oil, or protecting our access to oil, or pretending to be our friend. At least Ablahblahblah gets to be the most visible backwater reactionary of a (mostly) functioning democracy - our backwater reactionary friends don't bother with that.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 26, 2007, 06:11:44 PM
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We were the culture that invented "my country, right or wrong," weren't we?
Come again?
Post by: Bogie on September 26, 2007, 06:51:43 PM
Anyone else see the footage of boom trucks and their cargo?
Post by: MechAg94 on September 27, 2007, 05:11:06 AM
Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
You are blaming Bush for that? Why? Blame your freaking local politicians, not Bush. Who voted for it? Talk about misplaced. I guess you are going to blame him for the new football stadium also? Bush only owned like 1.5% of the team. Why are you blaming it all on him anyway? But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
I guess this is another Bush hate thread.
Post by: Ben on September 27, 2007, 05:19:25 AM
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Anyone who thinks you can compare Ahmadinejad with ANY US President in a "who is worse" game needs to have their head examined. Or else go live in Iran for awhile and see where you have things better. Or ask a former Iranian that's now a US citizen.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 27, 2007, 05:38:37 AM
How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?
Don't forget this image. Iran, yes. She had an affair.
They buried her so she couldn't move, then threw stones at her till she was dead. There are regulations for the construction of a stoning pit to do this.
Iran is Not Like Us. And Imajihad is an evil, evil man.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 27, 2007, 06:08:12 AM
Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
You are blaming Bush for that? Why? Blame your freaking local politicians, not Bush. Who voted for it? Talk about misplaced. I guess you are going to blame him for the new football stadium also? Bush only owned like 1.5% of the team. Why are you blaming it all on him anyway? But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
I guess this is another Bush hate thread.
At the time Bush probably _was_ their local politician.
Post by: wooderson on September 27, 2007, 09:00:50 AM
Said stadium earned him a profit of several thousand percent on his initial investment.
(Oh, and Jerry Jones can take a long walk off a short pier as well - at least I got to vote against that particular folly.)
Post by: roo_ster on September 27, 2007, 06:56:25 PM
Iran is Not Like Us. And Imajihad is an evil, evil man.
[snort]Yeah, shovel dude is just another freedom-loving American on the inside.[/snort]
Post by: Bogie on September 27, 2007, 07:18:10 PM
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Post by: Paddy on September 27, 2007, 07:23:11 PM
The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Bullshit. How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution. That's how we 'win'.
Post by: Bogie on September 28, 2007, 07:30:45 AM
I'm sorry, but I cannot condone that.
Post by: stevelyn on September 29, 2007, 03:32:47 AM
Post by: RevDisk on September 29, 2007, 05:12:29 PM
The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Bullshit. How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution. That's how we 'win'.
I've met a couple of younger Iranians. Decent enough folks in general. They're not happy with the theocracy, and want to push for reforms. More than a few are pessemistic about short term reforms, but they did point out, the Old Guard has to die out eventually.
They did meantion one thing. There is one easy way to unify the entire country, invade or attack it. I don't claim to be an expert, but I gathered it was their way of saying "Invading our country would cause everyone, even us reform minded people, to unite to defeat any invasion."
Post by: Bogie on September 29, 2007, 07:18:56 PM
Post by: Archie on September 29, 2007, 08:57:12 PM
If one aspires to live in a world free from terror and raw hate and threat of war, one recognizes Ahmedinejad as a brigand and bully. President Bush can be reasonably criticised for some things, like not vetoing more spending bills and such, but he's no where in the rotten league of Ahmedinejad.
On the other hand, if one is a moonbat liberal who has the goal of turning the U. S. into a Socialist Worker's Paradise - and the most heinous crime of all is "EWR" - Elected While Republican - then President Bush is far worse than Ahmedinejad. After all, President Bush has actually moved the nation away from some of the Socialist goals achieved under President Clinton.
Like I said, viewpoint.
Post by: Nitrogen on September 29, 2007, 11:55:16 PM
How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?
Don't forget this image. Iran, yes. She had an affair.
Wrong.
Not Iran. A dutch movie.
The wingnuts aren't very creative, and don't check their facts. You should.
The woman is actress Smadar Monsinos, a dutch actress. She's alive and well.
Here's a more legitimate picture of a stoning in Iran:
It's stills from someone's cellphone camera movie. If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 30, 2007, 03:42:28 AM
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If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
Perhaps that's why they don't have them. 
Post by: Bogie on September 30, 2007, 09:22:28 AM
Post by: wooderson on September 30, 2007, 12:28:16 PM
Post by: wooderson on September 30, 2007, 12:30:04 PM
She was Yazidi, who are ethnic Kurds. Don't I always hear about what wonderful, pro-American, not-at-all-like-those-other-Muslims people the Kurds are?
Post by: Bogie on September 30, 2007, 02:51:55 PM
Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
Post by: wooderson on September 30, 2007, 03:18:02 PM
I don't even know what that last bit is supposed to mean. Iran is Iran - no worse than our allies in the region, better than many, certainly nothing like a society I would choose to patronize with my tourism or support.
Post by: Len Budney on October 01, 2007, 05:44:45 AM
How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution.
Dead right. I've known a bunch as well, and every last one pro-western and pro-freedom.
The theocrat minority took over Iran in the '70s in the same way that Lenin took over Russia in the '10s: by exploiting a power vacuum in desperate times. In Iran's case, the desperate times were partly due to our support of the Shah for the previous twenty years, which is why anti-American sentiment ran so high at the time.
The best way to support the moderate forces in Iran, though, is to back off. If, for example, we armed them through the CIA and encouraged them to stage a coup, we would discredit them as American puppets rather than genuine pro-freedom Iranians.
--Len.
Post by: Bogie on October 01, 2007, 07:38:39 AM
Then, when he doesn't play nice, we have the same meeting with his successor, with his successor present.
What are we paying the CIA for anyway? I want guys in trenchcoats with silenced .380s wandering the streets of Istanbul...
Post by: Len Budney on October 01, 2007, 07:44:25 AM
Howzabout we just have a nice meeting with Mr. Worst Dressed, and explain the facts of life to him. With his successor present.
I prefer waiting for someone to aggress, or threaten imminent aggression, before I kill him. That goes for my next-door neighbor as well as Ahmedinejad and everyone else. I don't kill people because I don't like the cut of their jib, or because they fail to tremble before me or obey my mighty will.
When they actually commit or threaten actual harm to persons and property, they become fair game.
--Len.
Post by: Michigander on October 01, 2007, 08:29:12 AM
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Worse at what?
Causing death? Curtailing my freedoms? Speaking in public? Having the 'nads to go into an enemy's land and speak at one of it's universities? At being a comedian?
Post by: Desertdog on October 01, 2007, 08:13:39 PM
Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again. After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.
On the other hand, many Democrats think a Democrat in the office of the president is better than a Republican.
Post by: Len Budney on October 02, 2007, 02:52:40 AM
Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again. After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.
You might be surprised how many Republicans think we'd have been better off without Bush. I thought Clinton was everything but the antichrist himself. Believe me, it's no pleasure to admit that Bush is much worse than Clinton was. He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
--Len.
Post by: Desertdog on October 02, 2007, 06:42:31 AM
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.My own beliefs is that the Congress and Senate are more important than the president. They make laws and the president can sign them or veto them. If vetoed, they can be over ridden.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on October 02, 2007, 06:44:48 AM
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.Hopefully it bothers everyone that Bush was able to spend so much money with a Republican congress.
Post by: Len Budney on October 02, 2007, 06:48:32 AM
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.
Agreed. I imagine Clinton was crying in his beer over that, too. "Dayum! If only ah'd run as a Republicun, ah coulda spent trillions while the 'conservatives' applauded! Ah'm in the wrong party!"
--Len.
Post by: Desertdog on October 02, 2007, 07:59:07 AM
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Hopefully it bothers everyone that Bush was able to spend so much money with a Republican congress.
That is why the Dems got in power in 06. Now they seem to be trying to out spend Bush.
Post by: Bogie on October 02, 2007, 08:29:10 AM
I don't think the rift can be healed. I think we're gonna be in for a world of hurt in a few years. One side covers ass, and the other side tries to sell it out. Sad.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on October 02, 2007, 08:30:53 AM
Post by: Len Budney on October 02, 2007, 09:03:30 AM
Well, folks, keep in mind that the Democrats would rather have Charlie Manson in the White House over +any+ Republican...
Unlike Republicans, who would never cling to a tax-n-spend liberal guilty of waging aggressive war just because he sticks an (R) after his name...
There's only one solution. Surround DC and make everyone come out with their hands up.
--Len.
Post by: Nitrogen on October 02, 2007, 11:51:39 AM
Unlike Republicans, who would never cling to a tax-n-spend liberal guilty of waging aggressive war just because he sticks an (R) after his name...
There's only one solution. Surround DC and make everyone come out with their hands up.
--Len.
Out of all the caterwauling in this thread (mine included) this makes the most sense.
Post by: SADShooter on October 02, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Post by: RevDisk on October 02, 2007, 01:18:14 PM
She was Yazidi, who are ethnic Kurds. Don't I always hear about what wonderful, pro-American, not-at-all-like-those-other-Muslims people the Kurds are?
I personally wouldn't identify Dasni/Yazidi as Kurds near any group of Kurds. Or near Yazidi themselves. Seeing as how the Yazidi worship the peacock angel, which more than a few other religions identify as Satan, Shaitan, the Devil, etc. The Turks and the Kurds tried to wipe them out repeatedly, due to the alleged satanic nature of their religion. In either case, all parties in the area consider Yazidi not Kurd.
They are however generally extremely pro-American. Mostly due to the fact that we are not conducting ethnic cleansing on them. But they're also known for their secrecy, so who knows. Best to leave them alone, even if I do disagree with their endogamy and caste system. By the standards of modern Iraq, they're virtually saints.
Post by: MechAg94 on October 03, 2007, 05:34:43 AM
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Having the 'nads to go into an enemy's land and speak at one of it's universities?
Do any of you really think it took courage for that Iranian guy to come to the US and speak? You know he has been to the UN before right? When was the last time the US messed with a foreign dignitary while in the US? There is no courage there.
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Thousands of protesters and monks missing in secret gulag of the generals
Post by: LAK on October 06, 2007, 05:41:11 AM
Iran is of no threat to the United States. Of far greater threat are those who are actively selling our country out and destroying it from the inside. I have just posted on another thread on that very topic; George Bush should get a medal for that. Maybe his fraternal pals can invent one for him.
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Post by: CAnnoneer on October 23, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
One thing our intellectuals who hate this country so much seem to forget is that pretty much the first people who are eliminated from a repressive society, such as Iran, are the intellectuals...
Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
Minus the personal attack, I agree completely. The least appreciative of America are the heaviest users of American privileges as well as the first to go against the wall if their favorite dictators/ideologies win.
Post by: wooderson on October 23, 2007, 06:08:24 PM
Some of y'all are funny.
Post by: CAnnoneer on October 23, 2007, 09:04:13 PM
Ah, yes, clearly my favorite "dictator/ideology" is Iranian Islamic democracy - since, you know, I'm an atheist who's been known to argue that plural marriages are no big deal.
Some of y'all are funny.
Some of y'all are funny.
It seems you self-identified with my comment. Please explain why. Do you consider yourself an America-hating intellectual?
Post by: wooderson on October 24, 2007, 10:18:51 AM
Post by: CAnnoneer on October 24, 2007, 10:30:56 AM
Probably the part where you 'agreed with everything' in a post addressed to me?
You missed the "minus personal attack"?
Post by: wooderson on October 24, 2007, 10:37:09 AM