Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on October 13, 2007, 04:45:53 PM
http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=933
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Post by: Manedwolf on October 13, 2007, 06:09:48 PM
Too bad for the citizens of CA, but maybe they'll be inspired to a backlash that much quicker.
Also, there's this coming:
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The City of Long Beach is in the preliminary stages of crafting an ordinance requiring ammunition sales to be logged by all Federal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) and electronically sent to law enforcement. Under this possible ordinance, it is likely that purchasers will be forced to present identification and submit to fingerprinting simply to purchase a box of ammunition to hunt or go to the range. It has been transferred to the Public Safety Advisory Committee and the Public Safety Committee. Thus far the Public Safety Advisory Commission has withheld judgment on the issue at two consecutive meetings and the Public Safety Committee is waiting for input and recommendation from the Public Safety Advisory Committee.
My advice for Californians? If something isn't done soon, drastically, on the political front, your only option will be to eject or lose all your guns, rights, and freedoms, and be at the mercy of thugs, gangstas, MS-13, Crips, Bloods, La Raza, Asian cartels, terrorists, and whatever meth-head twitch wants to go for what you have. You're in a flat spin. Last chance to pull out, or ejection will be the only option left.
Post by: Nitrogen on October 13, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
Where did you move to?
Texas.Despite disagreeing with many things a majority of the residents here believe, I find them to be nicer and more tolerant than your average californian. (i.e. Texans are more tolerant of liberals than californians are of conservatives.)
Post by: CAnnoneer on October 13, 2007, 07:17:34 PM
I used to respect Arnold much more before. It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions.
Post by: Monkeyleg on October 13, 2007, 07:30:05 PM
You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.
Post by: CAnnoneer on October 13, 2007, 07:36:33 PM
"It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions."
You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.
You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.
That is what he is assuming.
Post by: Paddy on October 13, 2007, 07:36:59 PM
Unless y'all want to try to secede again.
And we all know how that went the first time. Y'all lost, remember
So, suck it up, Texans. Hillary's on her way. and she will limit your 'free state' gun rights.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 13, 2007, 08:04:31 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 13, 2007, 08:09:01 PM
You may want to look into that before declaring Kalifornia as the role model for anti-gun legislation.
Me, I find it's hilarious when folks do that, or say that other folks have no right to denigrate the policies of that enclave of liberal lunacy. Having been a long-time resident there and happy to depart just in time with my big collection of Kalifornia DOJ (Why do they exist, anyway?) SB-23 banned firearms, the place can't Richter into the Pacific soon enough.
Post by: Paddy on October 13, 2007, 08:20:03 PM
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Actually, my state's constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, even openly, in a way that goes far beyond the second amendment. For Hillary to do something, she'd have to declare that my state's constitution was null and void, trampling states' rights. That'd likely go right to the SCOTUS, which is thankfully more conservative right now, and they'd hand her back her socialist aspirations all bent and broken.
Good luck with that. The People of the State of California passed both Prop 187 and approved the use of medical marijuana. The Federal government overrode and squashed both of those. So much for the will of the people.
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Umm, Bubba Clinton's '94 AW Ban was repealed in most of the Free States, save for a certain one on the Left Coast, Riley.
Uh-huh. And while the law was in effect your state (hell, all the states) were subject to its provisions, right, Mr. Gewehr? You're lucky a Republican congress had the balls to let it expire. You might not be so lucky next time. So much for 'free state' rights.
Post by: CAnnoneer on October 13, 2007, 08:25:30 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on October 13, 2007, 08:28:02 PM
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Actually, my state's constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, even openly, in a way that goes far beyond the second amendment. For Hillary to do something, she'd have to declare that my state's constitution was null and void, trampling states' rights. That'd likely go right to the SCOTUS, which is thankfully more conservative right now, and they'd hand her back her socialist aspirations all bent and broken.
Good luck with that. The People of the State of California passed both Prop 187 and approved the use of medical marijuana. The Federal government overrode and squashed both of those. So much for the will of the people.
Um. You do know that there's a significant difference between a Proposition, versus a State Constitution and Bill of Rights ratified in 1783?
There's also no comparison. The Proposition would seem to have been in violation of standing federal law.
Post by: Paddy on October 13, 2007, 08:39:22 PM
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There's also no comparison. The Proposition would seem to have been in violation of standing federal law.
And so you think Federal firearms law cannot be changed in a manner that would place most 'free states' constitutions in violation thereof?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You haven't seen Hillary, Nancy and Harry collaborate yet. You won't have long to wait, though.
Post by: De Selby on October 13, 2007, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Antibubba on October 13, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
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Reading this news made me glad, yet again, that I got out in 2005 for a free state.
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Hopefully now, all gun makers will say, "You know, CA as a market isn't worth our time and money to do this to our guns...we won't recoup profit on it. Seeya!"
Too bad for the citizens of CA, but maybe they'll be inspired to a backlash that much quicker.
Too bad for the citizens of CA, but maybe they'll be inspired to a backlash that much quicker.
And when the gun makers start churning out semis with the compliant parts, do you think the banners in YOUR state won't try to pass it there too? Not everyone is Ronnie Barrett.
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"It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions."
You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.
You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.
And you're assuming that, in running for higher office, he'll run as a Republican. If he thought it'd help that SOB would switch parties in a second. And since he's just burned the GOP bridge I'll put money on it.
So here is a new suggestion: Call Smith & Wesson. They supply sidearms for the State Police. Tell them you will be boycotting them if they continue to do so. Call Colt too, and let them know you'll do the same to them if they step in. Glock supplies a lot of local police and Sheriff departments. Explain it to them. Time for the private sector to step up.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 13, 2007, 10:01:21 PM
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Post by: Firethorn on October 14, 2007, 09:20:09 AM
Then there's the whole file&polish method. Of course, they'll just claim that it's working - they just haven't gotten enough pre-stamp guns out of the population yet, even two decades after the law's enforcement. Or they're coming from neighboring states(such as mexico).
1: good luck tracking the gun down now, with enough ties to the one who actually used it, even if you know which gun it came from, because it was stolen sometime last year.
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 14, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
Ahnold cannot become president, even if he wanted to. Monkeyleg's correct - the U.S. Constitution would have to be amended to allow foreign-born citizens to run for that office. Doesn't matter if he's (R), (D), (I), or Bull Moose affiliated.
Gawd, I'm glad I left that cesspool of a state.
Post by: wooderson on October 14, 2007, 10:26:23 AM
I guess I don't understand how this will be felt by the shooters themselves, it seems more like another CA PITA for makers.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 14, 2007, 10:39:55 AM
What's the fallout on this from a shooter's perspective? Prices go up?
I guess I don't understand how this will be felt by the shooters themselves, it seems more like another CA PITA for makers.
I guess I don't understand how this will be felt by the shooters themselves, it seems more like another CA PITA for makers.
answered this on the now-duplicate and redundant thread
What impact? You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.
Secondly, CA will suffer the same sort of "machinegun price effect" that MA is currently experiencing on used guns. New guns not on the "OK list" can't be sold anymore, so old models that were in the state previous to the law command a premium price. It's not uncommon for people to literally pay twice bluebook rates for an old, used, shot-out Glock (they have to be at least pre-1998) because there aren't anymore. The supply of those is dwindling due to attrition, wear and hoarding of the last few pristine examples. The same will happen with any gun from a maker that refuses to make special models for CA, and I suspect that will be most makers, since it's not profitable for them to make all those changes to their tooling for one highly restricted region of sales. Would you?
And finally, it's only a short hop to further restrictions. After all, they can't have those old C&R guns like 1911s, lacking stamps, coming into the state anymore, can they? I'd expect bans on C&R semiautos next.
Post by: Paddy on October 14, 2007, 04:56:18 PM
As far as the 'microstamping' fiasco, I don't understand all the whining and crying. After all, California is such a worthless and evil place that y'all can't wait for the next megaquake to destroy us. So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 14, 2007, 05:06:43 PM
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So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?
Because it never ceases to amaze those of us in the Free States as to what stupidity pops out of there next. I have family out there, and if I could afford to get them out of that particular slice of hell, ala' indulgences, I would.
I do miss the Mexican food, though.
Post by: Paddy on October 14, 2007, 05:59:03 PM
In the meantime, come with me to the range some day. You got it in the 'free states'? We got it here. LE (at least in the predominantly red counties) could care less. The limpdicked urban areas are so heavily populated they can outvote us.
Meanwhile, we do what we want.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 14, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
In the meantime, come with me to the range some day. You got it in the 'free states'? We got it here.
Well...no, not really. I can walk into a gun store and pay cash for a mag long enough to serve as a monopod, or a drum that could double as a spare tire. Last I checked, you weren't able to do that.
I was just about to order a CZ-82 with two 12-round mags for $199. The "CA version" with a single reduced capacity mag is $269 from the same source, due to the logistics of obtaining a special mag. $70 just for being in CA.
You also couldn't have my Taurus Judge there, because the state considers it a sawed-off shotgun despite the rifling. Only state that won't allow it, I believe.
Oh, yeah, and you also can't have a Yugo SKS 59/66, because it's got the old grenade launcher tip on it. Same with other milsurps like the MAS 49/56 and other examples. Apparently, there's lots of rifle grenadings of convenience stores or the like there?
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on October 14, 2007, 06:58:11 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on October 14, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Actually we can have the Yugo SKS. Importers saw off the grenade launcher and fit a muzzle break instead. I have one in the closet.
But you can't have it as-is. You incur an additional expense for being in California.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on October 14, 2007, 07:01:59 PM
Post by: Paddy on October 14, 2007, 08:08:28 PM
Everything costs more here, so what? And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great! We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!! And what's more, (local) LE could care less. And I'll tell ya why. We actually pay LE a great wage and superb benefits. What a concept! As a result, we don't have the graft and corruption y'all have in the 'free states', and what's more, LE is the same as us!Now, there are some exceptions, in the big cities, but for us here in the red counties that's the way it is.
BTW, I own two SKS's. A Yugo and a Chinese. My buddy owns 5 or so, including some Russians. Another buddy has some AK's with da switch.
So, unless you've lived here recently, you don't know squat.
Post by: longeyes on October 14, 2007, 08:54:17 PM
Will this affect gun rights nationally? I think it will, because it is part of a much greater political and cultural movement and agenda that will rock this nation to its foundations within a few years. Everything we know and have known will be up for grabs. We'd better gird our loins for that. All I know is I prefer to spend the rest of my years outside the politically "radioactive" zone. California is morphing into something like Venzuela, and it won't be that long before the leftist nomenklatura in Sacramento uses MS-13 as their brownshirts.
Post by: Paddy on October 14, 2007, 09:01:21 PM
One more reason--as if I needed one--to get out of California, probably next year. I admit I had some faith that Schwarzenegger would veto the crazyass thing. That he didn't tells me that things are worse than even I thought they were.
Will this affect gun rights nationally? I think it will, because it is part of a much greater political and cultural movement and agenda that will rock this nation to its foundations within a few years. Everything we know and have known will be up for grabs. We'd better gird our loins for that. All I know is I prefer to spend the rest of my years outside the politically "radioactive" zone. California is morphing into something like Venzuela, and it won't be that long before the leftist nomenklatura in Sacramento uses MS-13 as their brownshirts.
Will this affect gun rights nationally? I think it will, because it is part of a much greater political and cultural movement and agenda that will rock this nation to its foundations within a few years. Everything we know and have known will be up for grabs. We'd better gird our loins for that. All I know is I prefer to spend the rest of my years outside the politically "radioactive" zone. California is morphing into something like Venzuela, and it won't be that long before the leftist nomenklatura in Sacramento uses MS-13 as their brownshirts.
Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can. Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 14, 2007, 09:30:41 PM
You're hilarious, Manedwolf. Everything costs more here, so what? And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great! We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!! And what's more, (local) LE could care less. And I'll tell ya why. We actually pay LE a great wage and superb benefits. What a concept! As a result, we don't have the graft and corruption y'all have in the 'free states', and what's more, LE is the same as us!
Now, there are some exceptions, in the big cities, but for us here in the red counties that's the way it is.
BTW, I own two SKS's. A Yugo and a Chinese. My buddy owns 5 or so, including some Russians. Another buddy has some AK's with da switch.
So, unless you've lived here recently, you don't know squat.
Everything costs more here, so what? And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great! We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!! And what's more, (local) LE could care less. And I'll tell ya why. We actually pay LE a great wage and superb benefits. What a concept! As a result, we don't have the graft and corruption y'all have in the 'free states', and what's more, LE is the same as us!Now, there are some exceptions, in the big cities, but for us here in the red counties that's the way it is.
BTW, I own two SKS's. A Yugo and a Chinese. My buddy owns 5 or so, including some Russians. Another buddy has some AK's with da switch.
So, unless you've lived here recently, you don't know squat.
It's so amusing when they rationalize, isn't it?
If someone has spent too much time in a cave, they forget what sunlight is.
And nice that you "already have" magazines but can't buy them. When they wear out? Oops!
Hm. I think I'll stop in the local gun store tomorrow at lunch and grab some hi-caps, LEO-marked, just because, you know what?
I CAN!
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 15, 2007, 02:05:15 AM
And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great! We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!!
So, everybody in Cali that wants one of those guns listed by Manedwolf already has one? Wow, that is a great state!
Post by: Paddy on October 15, 2007, 06:03:51 AM
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Hm. I think I'll stop in the local gun store tomorrow at lunch and grab some hi-caps, LEO-marked, just because, you know what?
I CAN! grin
I CAN! grin
Out of all the blissninny, handwringing, pantywetting California antigun laws, the 10rd mag limit annoys me the most.
Post by: HankB on October 16, 2007, 03:40:14 AM
. . . You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.
I'd rather apply a little fine sandpaper or a Dremel tool with a felt wheel and Simichrome . . . no worries.
Post by: Werewolf on October 16, 2007, 06:10:28 AM
. . . You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.
I'd rather apply a little fine sandpaper or a Dremel tool with a felt wheel and Simichrome . . . no worries.A better method would be to just load up a dummy round with a spent primer in a casing and dry fire a couple of hundred times. That should wear out any raised metal on the firing pin. A few hundred actual rounds fired should mess up the raised micro-stamp in the chamber and on the bolt face.
Post by: longeyes on October 16, 2007, 08:03:37 AM
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Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can. Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.
Please. I'm an ally, and I've tried to do what I can to make my voice heard in California. I contacted Schwarzenegger before he made his move.
I will do what I can but the political climate in California isn't auspicious. As I write the "Marxican" liberation front in Sacramento is gleefully anticipating the growth of Kalifornia from its current population to 49 million by 2030--no doubt most of that growth will come from "trans-border" migration (legalized by then as part of The Great Welcoming of 2010). I guess those that live here will all be drinking imported water from Al Gore's private stash (yes, water is the new gold). The demographic momentum, carefully orchestrated by various politicos both north and south of the current membrane (aka border), will ensure that whatever Viceroy is in power by then has total control over the plantation.
Post by: Paddy on October 16, 2007, 08:47:22 AM
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Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can. Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.
Please. I'm an ally, and I've tried to do what I can to make my voice heard in California. I contacted Schwarzenegger before he made his move.
I will do what I can but the political climate in California isn't auspicious.
I know you are, and I apologize for the harsh comment. It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.
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As I write the "Marxican" liberation front in Sacramento is gleefully anticipating the growth of Kalifornia from its current population to 49 million by 2030--no doubt most of that growth will come from "trans-border" migration (legalized by then as part of The Great Welcoming of 2010).
California will hardly be the only state affected by illegal immigration growth. They're already in every state in the union, and it will only get worse-for everybody.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 16, 2007, 09:16:29 AM
I guess those that live here will all be drinking imported water from Al Gore's private stash (yes, water is the new gold).
Or you'll be importing (buying) high-quality Mexican water of the same quality enjoyed by the masses in Mexico City and Tijuana!
Montezuma's Revenge, indeed...
Post by: Euclidean on October 16, 2007, 10:09:47 AM
As far as the 'microstamping' fiasco, I don't understand all the whining and crying. After all, California is such a worthless and evil place that y'all can't wait for the next megaquake to destroy us. So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?
Because as much as I may rib on Kalifornia, I oppose it because measures like this are wrong everywhere. I even sent a letter to Ahnold protesting this nonsense when it first reared its ugly head. I know the opinion of some Texan doesn't hold any sway in Kommieforny, but I didn't know what else I could do. I figured making noise is free, at least.
I'm guilty of telling people to just move away as anyone, but by God you shouldn't have to.
The other problem is that it gives the forces of evil a safe haven, a refuge or base of strength if you will, and that affects us all because CA is such a big state. Lotta congressional votes.
FYI Texas is a damn sight better than most but we still have some draconic RKBA restrictions here.
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 16, 2007, 10:10:58 AM
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FYI Texas is a damn sight better than most but we still have some draconic RKBA restrictions here.
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Aside from the regs governing CHL, Texas is refreshingly free from gun-related regs. In terms of simple ownership, Texas has no regs other than those imposed at the federal level.
Brad
Post by: Typhoon on October 16, 2007, 11:36:13 AM
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It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.
Agreed.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 16, 2007, 11:40:37 AM
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It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.
Agreed.
California, due to its size and voter block, has a significant effect on the culture of What Will Be in the rest of the US. Styles and trends come from LA, and politics start there too, including the most noxious of the liberal/socialist groups. They breed in Berkeley and then leak out into the rest of the country like a stain.
So, due to that "leading edge of pop culture" status, you're damned right the rest of us tend to bash California when we see negative trends getting bigger and bigger there. We know we're standing down the tracks from the out-of-control train!
Post by: Typhoon on October 16, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
How about some support for those fighting from the inside?
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 16, 2007, 11:57:55 AM
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How about some support for those fighting from the inside?
How about an offer to help you move somewhere else?
Brad
Post by: Typhoon on October 16, 2007, 12:05:36 PM
Heres what you can do.
1. Pay for the attorneys fees to transfer my mothers Conservatorship to another jurisdiction.
2. Pay for her ambulance transport to another state. She is a stroke patient, quadriplegic, unable to talk and on supplemental oxygen.
3. Find us a home where she will be as comfortable and happy as her own place in Southern California where she lived for 25 years.
Im sure I can think of a few other things&
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 16, 2007, 12:16:36 PM
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Outstanding.
Here’s what you can do.
1. Pay for the attorney’s fees to transfer my mother’s Conservatorship to another jurisdiction.
2. Pay for her ambulance transport to another state. She is a stroke patient, quadriplegic, unable to talk and on supplemental oxygen.
3. Find us a home where she will be as comfortable and happy as her own place in Southern California where she lived for 25 years.
I’m sure I can think of a few other things…
Here’s what you can do.
1. Pay for the attorney’s fees to transfer my mother’s Conservatorship to another jurisdiction.
2. Pay for her ambulance transport to another state. She is a stroke patient, quadriplegic, unable to talk and on supplemental oxygen.
3. Find us a home where she will be as comfortable and happy as her own place in Southern California where she lived for 25 years.
I’m sure I can think of a few other things…
How about reinstalling your sense of humor. Yours seems to have a glitch.
Brad
Post by: Typhoon on October 16, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 16, 2007, 12:24:06 PM
Brad
Post by: Manedwolf on October 16, 2007, 12:28:03 PM
How about some support for those fighting from the inside?
Well, you have to realize that the calls for you to get out are coming from the standpoint of fellow free Americans and also gun owners' concern for your welfare. Because we see you as a puddle on a beach with a big wave crashing down on it.
Yeah, it's noble, but at this point, I think that:
1. One of these days, you're going to come on here shouting "THEY TOOK ALL OUR GUNS!!!!"
2. California won't come to its senses until it undergoes a complete socioeconomic implosion and social revolution as a result.
It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, just as a matter of necessity. The socialism, the gang problem, the illegals, all of that has to reach critical mass and explode before people can go back in and start rebuilding. If The Big One hits, as an earthquake, the result of of decades of liberalism teaching helpless victimhood and empowering predators will become clear, and it won't be very pleasant to be there at all.
Post by: Typhoon on October 16, 2007, 01:09:23 PM
I may not post here often but I do read. The point that I was trying to make (badly) was that there is good reason why some of us are in California. And yes, California is one of the worlds largest economies and drives many of the trends in all the United States (for good or ill I used to work in Hollywood, in the belly of the beast itself&Paramount Pictures&).
The bad jokes about Mr. Richter just get old. Some of us are working from within and are unwilling to write the state off just yet. My contribution? I am in the middle of a Masters of Education program with the ultimate goal of also earning a California teaching credential. Well see&
Post by: longeyes on October 16, 2007, 01:34:37 PM
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Post by: Gewehr98 on October 16, 2007, 03:38:36 PM
My youngest stepson went back to the Aliso Viejo area this summer to help his buddy with a hot tub business. He came home a few weeks ago and said he doesn't want to go back there, either. The little booger's a textbook liberal, and he has no desire to return. Go figure.
Post by: Euclidean on October 16, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
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FYI Texas is a damn sight better than most but we still have some draconic RKBA restrictions here.
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Aside from the regs governing CHL, Texas is refreshingly free from gun-related regs. In terms of simple ownership, Texas has no regs other than those imposed at the federal level.
Brad
Let's see here.
~ We have DAs who do whatever the hell they want. Remember when they changed the definition of traveling to make it clear you could have a gun in your car? Several jurisdictions said outright they were not going to stop prosecuting people for car carry. They changed it again, and some DAs are still saying they're going to prosecute if they get the chance.
~ No carry in 51% establishments. Why? I've never drunk a drop of alky hall in my life. Hand to God. If I want to go inside a liquor store carrying, why shouldn't I be able to? For that matter why shouldn't anyone since it's already illegal to be drunk in public or to consume alcohol on the grounds of a liquor store, gas station, Wal-Mart, etc.?
~ We lack several key pieces of legislation. We've gotten a few of them passed, but some of the ones we're still lacking is that your employer can't search your car for guns, and we also lack a state law against localities passing laws more restrictive than the state law (like they have in AZ).
~ No open carry.
~ Stupid permit system. It costs more than other state's permits, and if you pass your shooting qual with a .454 Cassull snubnose you aren't qualified to carry a 9mm semiautomatic. Other states either don't require permits, have cheaper permits, or have greater reciprocity with other states.
~ Have you looked at the Texas Penal Code concerning other arms besides guns? Also, are you not struck by the irony that Texans can carry pistols but not automatic knives? Heck, have you heard about the silliness in San Antonio?
~ If you do CCW, you could get in trouble for printing.
~ A CHL permit holder has to tell any peace officer he is a CCW permit holder and/or is armed. A non CHL holder is under no such compulsion.
~ CHL holders in Houston are forced to violate the state law in certain buildings by being required to wear red badges.
I could go on, but the point is there is ground to be gained. Arizona and Alaska are well ahead of us.
Now I admit it's nice that we're worried about these problems and not the problems others face, but just because Texas looks a lot better than some other states doesn't mean we're set. We do make meaningful, incremental improvements every year which is cause for optimism but we can never get lax. In fact next year, I'm so mad at the GoA for misrepresenting the so called "Veterans Disarmament Act" (a piece of legislation I have mixed feelings about) I'm donating the GoA money to the TSRA instead.
How do you block the influence of Anti RKBA Kalifornia legislators in Congress? A big part of the answer is you make sure those damn Texans vote against their nonsense every time. Texas needs to become the anti California in this regard.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 16, 2007, 04:06:48 PM
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~ Have you looked at the Texas Penal Code concerning other arms besides guns? Also, are you not struck by the irony that Texans can carry pistols but not automatic knives? Heck, have you heard about the silliness in San Antonio?
Yeah, you need to register lab glassware there, too. WTF is with that? The assumption is you're going to MAKE A METH LAB OH NOES.
As for open carry, that's a big one. Why do they not have open carry? A flap holster on the backpack belt doesn't get a second glance when hiking here.
Post by: Paddy on October 16, 2007, 04:55:30 PM
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My current wife's family still lives in Orange County, PRK, and I've offered many times to help relocate them.
Orange County is a good place to live IMO. Plenty of business and industry and everything you could possibly want on the face of the earth. Not too many pantywetting libs there, either. It is definitely a red county.
As for the rest of the state, do you know all the lefties are on the coast (LA, SF & Santa Barbara) surrounded by rural red counties? And do you know California has the highest per capita gun ownership in the U.S.?
Combine those two facts and you'll understand why I'm not really worried when the balloon goes up.
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 17, 2007, 10:37:26 AM
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~ We have DAs who do whatever the hell they want. Remember when they changed the definition of traveling to make it clear you could have a gun in your car? Several jurisdictions said outright they were not going to stop prosecuting people for car carry. They changed it again, and some DAs are still saying they're going to prosecute if they get the chance.
That's unique to the DA in question. Has nothing to do with a state restriction.
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~ No carry in 51% establishments. Why? I've never drunk a drop of alky hall in my life. Hand to God. If I want to go inside a liquor store carrying, why shouldn't I be able to? For that matter why shouldn't anyone since it's already illegal to be drunk in public or to consume alcohol on the grounds of a liquor store, gas station, Wal-Mart, etc.?
Is unique to the concealed-carry regulations, which I specifically exempted.
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~ We lack several key pieces of legislation. We've gotten a few of them passed, but some of the ones we're still lacking is that your employer can't search your car for guns, and we also lack a state law against localities passing laws more restrictive than the state law (like they have in AZ).
Such as? Just as I like the fed keeping it's nose out of state's business, I happen to like keeping the state staying out of local politics unless intervention is absolutely necessary. I also like that Texas has always recognized the business owner's right to do business on their property the way they see fit. I wouldn't want someone telling me what to do in my establishment and I don't see why it's any of my business telling others what to do in theirs. Texas is funny that way. By the way, don't even pull the "infringe rights" card on this one. If you agree to work somewhere, you agree to abide by their rules. If you don't like the rules, work somewhere else.
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~ No open carry.
We could only wish, but that has nothing to do with Texas regs concerning general ownership.
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~ Stupid permit system. It costs more than other state's permits, and if you pass your shooting qual with a .454 Cassull snubnose you aren't qualified to carry a 9mm semiautomatic. Other states either don't require permits, have cheaper permits, or have greater reciprocity with other states.
Again, specific to concealed carry. Has nothing to do with general ownership. You would prefer no concealed carry at all?
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~ Have you looked at the Texas Penal Code concerning other arms besides guns? Also, are you not struck by the irony that Texans can carry pistols but not automatic knives? Heck, have you heard about the silliness in San Antonio?
Again, a concealed-carry issue. Plus, any San Antonio stupidity is local, not state.
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~ If you do CCW, you could get in trouble for printing.
Far as I know, that goes for all states with concealed-carry laws.
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~ A CHL permit holder has to tell any peace officer he is a CCW permit holder and/or is armed. A non CHL holder is under no such compulsion.
You might want to check on that.
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~ CHL holders in Houston are forced to violate the state law in certain buildings by being required to wear red badges.
And that's a state issue how? Again, municipality specific. Has nothing to do with general Texas gun ownership law. The CHL holders in Houston are free to file against the city and force the issue judicially.
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I could go on, but the point is there is ground to be gained. Arizona and Alaska are well ahead of us.
Which puts us ahead of 47 other states. I'd call that a pretty good place to be. I can live with that for now.
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In fact next year, I'm so mad at the GoA for misrepresenting the so called "Veterans Disarmament Act" (a piece of legislation I have mixed feelings about) I'm donating the GoA money to the TSRA instead.
I figured that out a long time ago. The TSRA follows the NRA's lead of incremental net gains instead of GOA's inherently self-defeating "all or nothing" mentality. One works for positive change. The other makes people think you're an extremist wacko gun nut.
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How do you block the influence of Anti RKBA Kalifornia legislators in Congress? A big part of the answer is you make sure those damn Texans vote against their nonsense every time. Texas needs to become the anti California in this regard.
"Those damn Texans?" Referring to Texas residents in the third party and sounding like you would have no trouble forcing others to your will does not particularly endear you to anyone. Especially us Texans.
Brad
Post by: Werewolf on October 17, 2007, 12:36:13 PM
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Plus, the San Antonio stupidity is local, not state.
I grew up in San Antonio, graduated HS there. Haven't been back since I left it in 1970.
Still, I have a lingering fondness for the place that makes me ask just what SA does that is so stupid re CCW?
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 17, 2007, 12:52:10 PM
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Still, I have a lingering fondness for the place that makes me ask just what SA does that is so stupid re CCW?
Ooops, my reply reads incorrectly. Should have been "any stupidity", denoting a general context. Corrected.
Brad
Post by: SADShooter on October 17, 2007, 01:26:04 PM
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