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 on: Today at 11:36:58 AM 
Started by MillCreek - Last post by Hawkmoon
Hmmm ...

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ôI didnĺt want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldnĺt be decisive,ö Modly told me in a telephone call from Hawaii at about 1 a.m. Sunday, Washington time. He continued: ôIf I were president, and I saw a commanding officer of a ship exercising such poor judgment, I would be asking why the leadership of the Navy wasnĺt taking action itself."

What if the President were to ask why a commanding officer of a nuclear aircraft carrier had to go outside the chain of command to get his crew cared for?

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Modly explained that his predecessor, Navy Secretary Richard Spencer, ôlost his job because the Navy Department got crossways with the presidentö in the Gallagher case. ôI didnĺt want that to happen again.ö The acting secretary reiterated the point later in the conversation: ôI put myself in the presidentĺs shoes. I considered how the president felt like he needed to get involved in Navy decisions [in the Gallagher case and the Spencer firing]. I didnĺt want that to happen again.ö

In other words, your decision was based entirely on optics rather than facts. Excellent. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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 on: Today at 11:34:24 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by Jamisjockey
Interesting article on why Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin has a lot of potential as a treatment

https://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

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 on: Today at 11:34:14 AM 
Started by zahc - Last post by WLJ
Something you may not see in most of the MSM and if you do I'm sure it will be somehow spun into being Orange Man's fault

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In 2006, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration began purchasing ventilators to allow the city to be prepared for a pandemic like the current coronavirus crisis -- only for the city to later auction them off, according to a report.

ProPublica reported Monday that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene issued a report in 2006 on the city's preparedness for pandemic influenza -- similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu or the 2019 novel coronavirus -- that projected the city would need thousands of extra ventilators in order to properly treat all of its residents who got sick. The plan was then put into action, with the city initially buying 500 ventilators before it ran out of money to buy more and to maintain the ones it had already stockpiled, according to ProPublica.

Those ventilators were then auctioned off some time before 2016 because the city could not afford to maintain them in working order, partially because the model of ventilator the city had purchased was no longer in production after 2009, the report said.

New York City stockpiled ventilators for a pandemic, only to later auction them off: report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-stockpiled-ventilators-for-pandemic-only-to-later-auction-them-off-report

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 on: Today at 11:23:43 AM 
Started by Ben - Last post by Ben

Anyway to build an open air shelter over said pump

It's a Parma pump, so comes with one of their plastic "hats" installed, but that seems to be mostly rain and snow cover. The underside, while covered, is still exposed to the elements if that makes sense. If it were in an easy to get to location like my other pump, I'd build something like a pump house for it, but it's in kind of a precarious position on the creek bank. I'm already afraid that one of these days while I'm balancing myself lubing the zerks, I'm gonna fall down the pipe, never to be heard from again.  laugh

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 on: Today at 11:11:31 AM 
Started by zahc - Last post by Jamisjockey
And Russia.

They're past lying. Hiding the *expletive deleted*it out of it.

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 on: Today at 11:09:21 AM 
Started by MillCreek - Last post by DittoHead
This guy was trying to avoid having a mess like this on his hands. He ended up with a different mess.

ôI didnĺt want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldnĺt be decisive,ö Modly told me in a telephone call from Hawaii at about 1 a.m. Sunday, Washington time. He continued: ôIf I were president, and I saw a commanding officer of a ship exercising such poor judgment, I would be asking why the leadership of the Navy wasnĺt taking action itself."

Modly explained that his predecessor, Navy Secretary Richard Spencer, ôlost his job because the Navy Department got crossways with the presidentö in the Gallagher case. ôI didnĺt want that to happen again.ö The acting secretary reiterated the point later in the conversation: ôI put myself in the presidentĺs shoes. I considered how the president felt like he needed to get involved in Navy decisions [in the Gallagher case and the Spencer firing]. I didnĺt want that to happen again.ö

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 on: Today at 11:06:43 AM 
Started by zahc - Last post by dogmush
And Russia.

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 on: Today at 11:03:12 AM 
Started by RocketMan - Last post by Ben
Yikes!

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 on: Today at 11:01:54 AM 
Started by RocketMan - Last post by Hawkmoon
So much for trying to sleep in.

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 on: Today at 10:54:41 AM 
Started by MillCreek - Last post by Hawkmoon

I'm of the firm stance that this captain deserves to have been fired AND court-martialed.

I'm glad he cares about his crew. I'm furious that he put the world on notice that our Pacific fleet is now unready.


Starting from the same facts, I arrive at a very different conclusion.

Looking at Crozier's record (what we as civilians can see of it), this action seems out of character. That should lead one to ask "Why did he do that?" It does not appear that the SecNav asked "Why?" -- he just fired the guy. Yes, it's bad that the world was put on notice that one of our carriers is down. But ... why was it necessary to send that letter via an open, unclassified channel? I'm not so sure it's Crozier who should be court-martialed. Maybe it's Crozier's direct superior, or maybe his superior, who should be court-martialed.

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