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 on: Today at 11:06:53 AM 
Started by jamisjockey - Last post by Larry Ashcraft
Dinner won't be until 6:30 because DIL had to work.  I think we have the new stove dialed in enough to get by.  Mostly just my family this year, about 20 people.  We're having a get together at mom's retirement home on Saturday.  My sister from NY and brother from NM will be there, along with a bunch of cousins who want to see mom.  Then we'll probably come out here and give grand tours of the house.

 on: Today at 10:21:51 AM 
Started by Ben - Last post by bluestarlizzard
I really hope this is the... Well, hope is not the right word, since I what I really would hope this wasn't even a consideration in any HS, but...

Looks like something that would be in the package of BS assignments that all the kids get on the first day of school so everyone can "get to know each other!!" and if your first class of the day happens to be biology, then you get it in biology class.

 on: Today at 10:21:00 AM 
Started by jamisjockey - Last post by Angel Eyes

 on: Today at 10:14:44 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by 230RN
From one of the links above:

The German-built diesel-electric TR-1700 class submarine was commissioned in 1985 and was most recently refit in 2014.

During the $12 million retrofitting, the vessel was cut in half and had its engines and batteries replaced.

That operation would seem to put it in the lost-as-in-really-lost category.

 on: Today at 10:12:46 AM 
Started by jamisjockey - Last post by zxcvbob
Turkey is in the electric roaster; it's about time to check on it.  Pie is in the oven.  Broccoli is cut up ready to steam.  I need to go find a heat gun to brown the turkey skin, and a can of cranberry sauce...

No stuffing/dressing this year.

 on: Today at 10:04:59 AM 
Started by jamisjockey - Last post by bluestarlizzard
Went to work. Cleaned up dog *expletive deleted*it. Boss was late because she actually overslept for a change, which I thought was funny.

Just chilling now, until 2 when I'll head over to the farm for dinner with the boss's and whoever else shows up. Hopefully I won't be partially deafened this year because I end up sitting next to the boss's sister and the Redskins do something they shouldn't during a football game. I won't really care even if I am deafened. The food will be glorious.

Dad's already gone out to his pick of the yearly invites. He's hitting up his friend Lou and family this year.

 on: Today at 10:04:13 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by Angel Eyes

 on: Today at 09:55:55 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by Ben

Oops. Ben is not paying attention again. Topics merged.

 on: Today at 09:51:30 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by RoadKingLarry
I haven't paid real close attention to the San Juan's loss but from what I've read I'm not optimistic.
Assuming that their safeguards and ships systems are, if not in fact then at least in theory, similar to ours here is my take.
There are redundant systems for bringing the boat to the surface in the event of loss of propulsion. Pumping water ballast overboard and high pressure air to the ballast tanks are the top two.
I did read that the San Juan is supposed to have multiple distress systems. US subs had "rescue buoys" to be released in the event of getting stuck on the bottom, on both the boats I was on these were welded down. The failure of the crew to employ any of the several options does not bode well for survival.
Previous reports of battery problems could indicate a catastrophic electrical fire or other battery system related disaster. A battery fire in a submarine becomes a SHTF RFN thing. We nearly lost the USS Bonefish to a battery fire in the '80s and did lose several of the crew.
I don't know the training and readiness level of the crew but for a ship loss I would expect a cascade failure of both ships equipment and crew response.
When the Thresher was lost it was due to multiple cascade failures,  flooding caused a loss of propulsion, and the final nail was the high pressure air system is suspected to have froze due to excessive moisture in the air banks preventing a successful emergency blow.

Putting all the "reports" together with my knowledge suggests that the ship and crew were lost before we ever heard a word in the news.

I would hope that it was a quick end unlike what we learned happened to the Kursk. The Kursk should have ended with the rescue of at least some of the crew, Russian pride and hubris prevented that.

 on: Today at 09:46:26 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by Boomhauer
Hawkmoon, Taiwan is still using a Baleo class sub and a Tench class from WWII.

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