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 21 
 on: February 22, 2018, 05:13:55 PM 
Started by HankB - Last post by adively
Another view of the ôofficerö: http://www.those-who-serve.com/2018/02/22/failure-to-engage-that-cost-innocent-kids-their-lives/

 22 
 on: February 22, 2018, 05:12:25 PM 
Started by Jim147 - Last post by RoadKingLarry
When seconds count the police are minutes away cowering in fear.

 23 
 on: February 22, 2018, 04:58:27 PM 
Started by Ben - Last post by Hawkmoon
We won't weather this by sitting back and waiting for it to blow over. We ALL need to fire up our computers and contact the President, the Speaker of the House (Ryan), and the Republican leader of the Senate to encourage them to weather the storm. It's easy to do -- they all have on-line forms you can complete and submit in five minutes or less. I have already sent two submissions to the President -- still working on what I'll say to Ryan and McConnell.

You don't have to say much. They won't read them (probably), but their staff will tabulate how many messages they get on each side of an issue. So keep it short, to the point, and polite. But DO IT. There's an old saying in Chicago and Boston politics -- "Vote early, vote often." You can submit as many of these electronic messages as you want, so "keep those cards and letters flowing."

 24 
 on: February 22, 2018, 04:10:09 PM 
Started by Jim147 - Last post by Hawkmoon
So it appears an armed Sheriff's Deputy was on site, but did not actively seek the shooter. An Internal Affairs investigation was started and he has resigned his position.

At this point, with no further info, I am hesitant to be "infuriated" as others seem to be. Perhaps the deputy was completely in the wrong. Perhaps he was trying to figure out what was going on. Perhaps it was standard procedure, or he was ordered, to take a position and wait. Perhaps he's being made a scapegoat (I am less and less impressed with the Broward Sheriff). More info needed.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/22/unbelievable-broward-county-sheriffs-latest-confession-sets-blood-boiling-video/

Edit: more recent info may indicate the deputy screwed the pooch. At the building, knew there was an active shooter, and according to the Sheriff, SOP is to engage the shooter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22/cop-assigned-to-florida-school-never-went-in-amid-shooting-sheriff-says.html

I'm too weary to be infuriated. I'm not even amazed. I'll withhold my opinion as to what kind of officers generally apply for school resource officer duty but let's just say it's not the same guys who try out for the SWAT team.

https://www.leoaffairs.com/deputy-sro-school-shooting-not-fire-weapon-actions-scrutinized-sros-given-rifles/

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He also said BSO was reviewing whether the first officers on the scene rushed into the school, as they are trained to do when an active shooter is on the rampage. So far, police have not determined which officers from which agencies were first to enter Building 12, the scene of the violence. Israel did say BSO deputies ôpulled people out, saved lives.ö

Jeff Bell, the president of the Broward Sheriffĺs Office Deputies Association, said the union was satisfied with the response time of the cops who rushed to the scene. ôOur guys could still hear the final barrage of gunfire as they arrived,ö Bell said.

The shooter, however, slipped away before cops could find him in the chaos.

ôForty-five acres, just over 3,000 students and youĺre looking for one. Certainly makes it more difficult,ö Bell said.

BS the responding cops saved lives. The SRO who should have responded didn't. When the cavalry arrived, the shooter ditched his weapon and blended in with the crowd. The responding cops did what they were supposed to do, but the honest truth is that, as usual, by the time they arrived and made entry the game was over. Any lives they saved were by performing first aid, not by taking on (or taking out) the shooter. But it makes a great sound bite to tell the media that the responding officers "saved lives."

[Edit to add] Furthermore, it appears that it wasn't Sheriff Israel's deputies who were the first to go in and the first to start saving lives -- it was Coral Springs officers.


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In 2014, Peterson [the SRO deputy] was named School Resource Officer of the Year in Parkland, WSVN reported. The district stated "Deputy Peterson has proven to be reliable in handling issues with tact and judgment.ö

Translation: He was part of the "Broward County Solution" to high numbers of students of color being suspended and expelled. It would appear that Deputy Peterson bought into the Broward County Solution and helped rig the statistics by handling problem students with "tact and judgment" rather than by making arrests. Good job, Broward County.



 25 
 on: February 22, 2018, 04:01:05 PM 
Started by HankB - Last post by HankB
Looks like we have an answer . . .

https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns

* Cop (actually, a Broward County Sheriff's Deputy) named Scott Peterson was in uniform, on duty, armed, and on site.

* He stood around outside, doing nothing, while the shooting was going on.

* Sheriff suspended Peterson, who responding by resigning.

Another officer behaving in the finest tradition of the cowardly cops of Columbine. But at least HE got to go home that night . . . though 17 others he was charged with protecting didn't.

And he's still eligible for his pension. angry

 26 
 on: February 22, 2018, 03:38:16 PM 
Started by Jim147 - Last post by Ben
So it appears an armed Sheriff's Deputy was on site, but did not actively seek the shooter. An Internal Affairs investigation was started and he has resigned his position.

At this point, with no further info, I am hesitant to be "infuriated" as others seem to be. Perhaps the deputy was completely in the wrong. Perhaps he was trying to figure out what was going on. Perhaps it was standard procedure, or he was ordered, to take a position and wait. Perhaps he's being made a scapegoat (I am less and less impressed with the Broward Sheriff). More info needed.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/22/unbelievable-broward-county-sheriffs-latest-confession-sets-blood-boiling-video/

Edit: more recent info may indicate the deputy screwed the pooch. At the building, knew there was an active shooter, and according to the Sheriff, SOP is to engage the shooter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22/cop-assigned-to-florida-school-never-went-in-amid-shooting-sheriff-says.html

 27 
 on: February 22, 2018, 03:21:37 PM 
Started by Ben - Last post by MechAg94
The last federal gun control bill was passed in 1994!

And it is now gone.

Do your part, and I think we can weather this also.

IMO, if they can weather the storm after Sandy Hook, they can handle this.  The wild card right now is potential new ATF regulations.  Maybe later if Fix NICS or the bill to remove suppressors from the NFA come back up, there might be a stronger effort to add amendments we don't like.

 28 
 on: February 22, 2018, 03:20:10 PM 
Started by Ben - Last post by MechAg94
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/269373/nra-wins-because-love-stronger-hate-daniel-greenfield#.WoxJpqnWTYI.twitter
This is an interesting take.  "THE NRA WINS BECAUSE LOVE IS STRONGER THAN HATE"

 29 
 on: February 22, 2018, 02:52:15 PM 
Started by freakazoid - Last post by French G.
You forgot, car is legal in your home state, drive into any other state and we friendly troopers will arrest you and probably beat you. Yeah, we're keeping the car. And oops, forgot a charge, your license isn't any good here either.

 30 
 on: February 22, 2018, 02:03:53 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by JN01
I don't know that watching that stuff causes violent behavior, but I think that for someone who already has a twisted mind, immersion in graphic violent content (games, videos, music, whatever) might help to fuel their hatred and perhaps incite them to act on their sick thoughts. 

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