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 on: Today at 09:39:04 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by Hawkmoon
Ben, we've been following this here: http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=56090.0

The sub was 32 years old, and 30 years is a long life for a military submarine. Much depends, of course, on how often it was at sea and how many compression/decompression cycles it went through, but it was a diesel-electric, which means it had to surface fairly regularly in the course of any patrol to be able to run the diesel engines and recharge the batteries. I hope I'm wrong, but I think they made one dive too many.

If that turns out to be the case, it should create a LOT of consternation around South America, because the Argies have a sister ship that's a year or two older, and a smaller sub that's TEN years older. And several other South American countries have German-built, diesel-electric subs that are the same age, or older by up to a decade.

Hmmm ... I just noticed that I wrote, "The sub was 32 years old ..." I guess at a subconscious (and now conscious) level I have already come to the conclusion that it imploded. Or -- the ship had reported a problem with the batteries. I wonder if the batteries might have exploded.

My understanding is that the sub was equipped with an EPIRB-type device. That apparently hasn't been deployed, so if something happened it must have been sudden and serious enough that they weren't able to release it.

 22 
 on: Today at 09:28:48 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by dogmush
What's the ratio of alison dollars to Schrute bucks?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2rlg76

Y-axis

Damn you auto-correct.

 23 
 on: Today at 09:24:46 AM 
Started by jamisjockey - Last post by jamisjockey
Took my sweet time getting going this morning.  Just finished a 19 mile ride, 1600' of climbing, a couple very nice gravel sections including a grueling climb on gravel.
Time to get a shower and go get fat!

 24 
 on: Today at 09:03:55 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by Ben
RKL - what are your thoughts on the Argentinian sub?

I know nothing about submarines. The news reports I have read just talk about the electric motors crapping out. Is that really all it would take to keep the sub on the bottom, or would there have to be more cascade failures?

Again, layman questions, but what would keep them from partially blowing the ballast tanks so they could at least bob up (possibly violently) to the surface? What about releasing some kind of marker to at least possibly narrow down their position given someone spots it? Would modern subs not have some kind of electronic beacon they could jettison?

I guess that all assumes the crew did not die right away.  sad

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/23/argentina-says-sound-detected-in-search-for-missing-submarine-is-consistent-with-non-nuclear-explosion.html

 25 
 on: Today at 08:53:05 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by Ben
Better yet, make the y-alison dollars.

What's the ratio of alison dollars to Schrute bucks?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2rlg76

 26 
 on: Today at 08:31:57 AM 
Started by Ben - Last post by Big Hairy Bee
I taught in the Seattle School District for two years and this doesn't surprise me at all...

 27 
 on: Today at 08:29:53 AM 
Started by Hawkmoon - Last post by Hawkmoon
The latest update is not encouraging:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/23/americas/argentina-submarine/index.html

http://www.dw.com/en/argentina-submarine-search-sounds-detected-consistent-with-an-explosion/a-41494514

Multiple sources have now reported picking up a sound "like" an explosion from the area of the sub's last transmission and shortly after the last contact.

Probably wouldn't have made any difference, if the sub either exploded or imploded violently, but family members are starting to criticize the government (or the military) for waiting two days before acknowledging that there was a problem and beginning to accept offers of search assistance. Which brings us back to what I had in mind when I opened this thread -- just how utterly stupid it was to take an attitude of, "It's not really 'lost,' we just can't find it." Well, they still haven't found it, so I guess it's not really "lost" yet.

 28 
 on: Today at 08:28:39 AM 
Started by Ben - Last post by slingshot
I find it interesting that when Democrats are accused of sexual misconduct, they always say let the investigation take it's course and innocent until proven guilty.  The facts will speak for themselves.
But if it's a Republican, even accused of misconduct (let alone done something), they are supposed to resign or in the case of the AL Senate candidate, it's guilty and they don't really care if he's innocent or the situations were debatable in terms of okay conduct versus questionable conduct.

Let's not forget that Elvis like young girls and met Pricillia when she was 14 years old whom he married.  Some might think this is an antiquated concept, but some men don't want women who have had previous sexual intercourse and as a result, look to the younger ones for marriage prospects.

 29 
 on: Today at 08:26:53 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by dogmush
Better yet, make the y-alison dollars.

 30 
 on: Today at 08:11:59 AM 
Started by Mike Irwin - Last post by Hawkmoon
Scary-looking chart -- until you realize that (a) It's for ten years down the road, which means it's fantasy; and (b) the real numbers aren't as severe as the graphic scale makes it appear. The worst decrease is 1.5 percent, which is significant but not earth shattering. (For someone earning $20,000, it's $30. Give up smoking and you get that back in a week.) And as for the rich getting richer? The biggest gain is 0.6 percent, for people making over $1 million. Anyone earning over a million bucks isn't going to be significantly affected by saving $6,000 on their taxes.

I hate it when politicians use graphically enhanced graphics to "prove" their point. Graphics are meant to illustrate a point, not to obfuscate it. The Y axis on that chart is percent. Percent runs a scale of 0 to 100 -- so an honest chart will show the entire range of the Y axis, all the way up to 100 percent (both plus and minus). When you do that, that individual bars look a LOT less intimidating.

Fire up Excel, enter the numbers, and create a bar chart using the full 0 - 100 range for the Y axis and see how it looks ...

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