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 91 
 on: September 17, 2020, 06:19:19 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by grampster
"Once your actions impinge on the free actions of others, your "moral" stance is invalidated.  That goes for the other party, too."

Ahhh, but here is where it always gets interesting.  The usual comeback is "whose or what are free actions (moral standards) and who get's to define them?"  My experience in life has shown on occasion that that response comes from someone who's likely free actions are to not only be accepted, but celebrated and at times enforced by the rule of law even if those actions contravene centuries of acceptable behavior and are offensive to many if not most. 

My thoughts about the matter are that our Founders were exceptionally wise and had a fairly firm grip on human nature.  They designed a way of governing a civil society that rejected majority rule and set up a system of checks and balances with a representative form of contemplating laws, civility and order as much as it was possible considering and understanding the human critter tends to be corrupt and selfish to the core.  That's why they feared factionalism, pure democracy, citizen ignorance and non participation.  Unfortunately the enlightened class seems to disagree and believes that something that sounds good, has never worked, has killed millions, should be forced on us for our own good.


 92 
 on: September 17, 2020, 06:17:59 PM 
Started by WLJ - Last post by WLJ
Things getting heated between some Trump supporters and the usual suspects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-AO7k6wqE

 93 
 on: September 17, 2020, 05:50:52 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by AZRedhawk44
Please tell me how you interpret the following quotation by the noted philosopher, fistful.

"When morality is outlawed, only outlaws will be allowed to have morals."

I texted that to a friend, and he seems to have interpreted it a bit differently (though I agree with his interpretation as well).

What's this "allowed" garbage?  Who is granting clemency/blessing/sanctity upon these outlaws?  Isn't "allowed" basically the concept of law? 

Outlaws will take the morality they demand, "allowed" be damned.

The trick is though, this is a double-edged sword.  Those shifty-eyed arabs in Al Qaeda or the Taliban or whatever the State Department doesn't like this week... they take the morality they demand.  Disagree with it or not, it is a defined moral stance.  It just happens to clash with most Western moral stances.

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Your morals, on the other hand - yeah, you're allowed to have them, if you keep them to yourself. You can live by them, if you're careful not to offend the special people.

A bit jaded, but I think a classically acceptable moral stance that ought to be respected globally would be akin to the NAP or the Golden Rule and is espoused by your snark, if rather darkly.  Believe whatever you want, live however you want.  Just don't force it on others and don't force others into servitude for your ends.  Once your actions impinge on the free actions of others, your "moral" stance is invalidated.  That goes for the other party, too.

 94 
 on: September 17, 2020, 05:42:26 PM 
Started by makattak - Last post by Andiron
I'm in seat 10A, can I get a whiskey, too?

Waitaminut,  I thought booze was like,  regulation in specific quantity FOR the flight crew?

 95 
 on: September 17, 2020, 04:02:31 PM 
Started by Nick1911 - Last post by Silver Bullet
 grin

 96 
 on: September 17, 2020, 03:58:54 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by fistful
If you like what they've done with "truth",  just wait until you seen what's happened to Justice....*


And diversity, fairness, hate....

Has anyone else noticed how many brands of justice the Left has? There's many different justices: social, racial, climate, and so on. I'm old enough to remember when there was only supposed to be one Justice, and she was supposed to be blind to your status or race.

 97 
 on: September 17, 2020, 03:54:41 PM 
Started by AmbulanceDriver - Last post by fistful
The Story of Despacito

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEsHFdR9XcU&feature=youtu.be&t=1069

Then Trump retweeted a version of the video in which Biden plays "F the Police." Of course the Left loses their minds.  cheesy

But this Despacito is most brutalist Despacito

https://youtu.be/qBUUAce2Hc0




 98 
 on: September 17, 2020, 03:45:58 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by Andiron
Well, the progtards made the word "truth" obsolete.  "Moral" can't be far behind.

If you like what they've done with "truth",  just wait until you seen what's happened to Justice....*


And diversity, fairness, hate....

 99 
 on: September 17, 2020, 03:44:28 PM 
Started by MillCreek - Last post by Pb
I think I remember this case.  I saw the video.  I believe it was a homeless woman who just walked out in front of the car in the dark.  I think it would have been hard for a human driver to stop in time.

 100 
 on: September 17, 2020, 03:43:40 PM 
Started by fistful - Last post by Andiron
That's how my friend took it.

What I meant was that the outlaw gangs in the streets are on their own sort of moral crusade.* Their "morals" are celebrated by most of the usual gatekeepers. They are applauded for standing up for their convictions.

Your morals, on the other hand - yeah, you're allowed to have them, if you keep them to yourself. You can live by them, if you're careful not to offend the special people.



*Well, some of them are on a moral crusade. A lot of them show up for other reasons.

My solution isn't one I'm willing to post here.  Chickenshit,  but the internet is forever.

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