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geronimotwo

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Judge says: White House logs are public
« on: December 17, 2007, 10:04:42 AM »
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071217/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_secrecy

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By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - White House visitor logs are public documents, a federal judge ruled Monday, rejecting a legal strategy that the Bush administration had hoped would get around public records laws.

The ruling is a blow to the Bush administration and prominent religious conservatives.

Visitor records are created by the Secret Service, which is subject to the Freedom of Information Act. But the Bush administration has ordered the data turned over to the White House, where they are treated as presidential records outside the scope of the public records law.

But U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth ruled logs from the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's residence remain Secret Service documents and are subject to public records requests.

In a lawsuit brought by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a liberal watchdog group, Lamberth ordered the Secret Service to turn over visitor logs regarding nine conservative religious commentators, including James Dobson, Gary Bauer and Jerry Falwell.

"I think it's hugely significant," said Anne L. Weismann, the watchdog group's chief counsel. "The judge saw their arguments for what they were."

In a separate case, CREW had sought an order declaring illegal a Bush administration policy under which the Secret Service destroys its copies of the logs once they are turned over to the White House.

In that second case involving White House visits by disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Lamberth said he did not have the authority to issue such a ruling.

Because the logs were declared Secret Service records, however, they cannot be destroyed without approval from the National Archives.

The Bush administration can appeal the ruling.

why would Prisident Bush care if these are public record or not?

have any other presidents tried to cover up who they have dealings with?
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 10:09:05 AM »
why would Prisident Bush care if these are public record or not?

I suspect he really doesn't care. It's just a particular case of a general philosophy that everything relating to the Presidency is privileged and above public scrutiny. In his view, the Decidinator decides, and the rest of us accept his decisions from on high. We don't question anything, and if we try to, we're getting no answers. 'Cuz he's the decidinator.

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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 10:30:36 AM »
The Decidinator??? grin
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 10:42:39 AM »
. . . have any other presidents tried to cover up who they have dealings with?
I think I'd like to know how many times Marilyn Monroe and Angie Dickenson visited the Kennedy White House . . .
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 02:21:23 PM »
. . . have any other presidents tried to cover up who they have dealings with?
I think I'd like to know how many times Marilyn Monroe and Angie Dickenson visited the Kennedy White House . . .

i'd love to see a video of what they did at the white house.
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 10:16:40 AM »
LOL! If only camera phones were around......
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 02:18:06 PM »
. . . have any other presidents tried to cover up who they have dealings with?
I think I'd like to know how many times Marilyn Monroe and Angie Dickenson visited the Kennedy White House . . .

Is that secret "code" for some other activity involving JFK & his ladies?... Wink

...and, if we were talking about Ted Kennedy, would we call it "visiting the Kennedy Draft House"?.....  grin
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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 04:56:31 PM »
In the Clinton era, the White House log was certainly quite public, from time to time.  Yuk, yuk, yuk. 

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Re: Judge says: White House logs are public
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 04:14:07 AM »
It must be winter. I read that thread title, and pictured tourists walking out with smoking souvenirs from the White House fireplaces.