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MechAg94

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Single trader behind oil record
« on: January 03, 2008, 06:20:12 AM »
Mods, can you move this to the Politics forum?  I dumped it in the wrong place. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7169543.stm
It seems like I saw an argument about this recently on one of the threads.  Interesting.

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Single trader behind oil record
Floor traders at the New York Mercantile Exchange
Open outcry trading is being replaced by electronic methods
The man behind the record rise in oil prices to $100 a barrel was a lone trader, seeking bragging rights and a minute of fame, market watchers say.

A single trader bid up the price by buying a modest lot and then sold it immediately at a loss, they said.

The New York Mercantile Exchange confirmed that US crude oil futures traded just once in triple figures.

But prices have since remained below that historic level and market analysts questioned the validity of the trade.

Vanity trade

Stephen Schork, a former floor trader on the New York Mercantile Exchange and the editor of an oil market newsletter, said one floor trader bought 1,000 barrels, the smallest amount permitted, and sold it immediately for $99.40 at a $600 loss.

"They absolutely overpaid," he told Radio Four's Today Programme.

"He paid $600 for the right to tell his grandchildren that he was the first in the world to buy $100 oil."

Most trading in energy futures has shifted away from the trading floor and takes place on electronic platforms.

The NYMEX, along with the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is one of the last bastions of "open outcry", where traders use frantic hand signals to trade securities.

In London, open outcry trading still takes place on the London Metal Exchange, where aluminium, copper and zinc are traded.

The supporters of electronic trading claim that it is faster, cheaper, more efficient for users, and less prone to manipulation by market makers.

The dwindling liquidity on the NYMEX trading floor has led to considerable speculation that the exchange will soon shut down the trading floor to cut costs.
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 11:46:47 AM »
I've always said that one person, or one entity, can manipulate the market as he/it chooses.  Sure, it can require lots of money and high risk, but the reward can be exponential.

Does the NYSE, NYMEX, or any other trade group have safeguards in place to stop a runaway rise in the trading?  I don't think so.
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 11:48:54 AM »
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Stephen Schork, a former floor trader on the New York Mercantile Exchange and the editor of an oil market newsletter, said one floor trader bought 1,000 barrels, the smallest amount permitted, and sold it immediately for $99.40 at a $600 loss.

"They absolutely overpaid," he told Radio Four's Today Programme.

"He paid $600 for the right to tell his grandchildren that he was the first in the world to buy $100 oil."

How about tarring and feathering him, using a $100 barrel of crude?

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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 12:00:08 PM »
I was thinking that it means the whole $100 crude thing was manufactured news.  Some news group was tired of waiting.
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 03:38:54 PM »
Probably a Commie DNC plot.
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 01:49:23 PM »
This is good news, right?  The high price was artificial, and will soon decrease?
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 03:21:46 PM »
This is good news, right?  The high price was artificial, and will soon decrease?

Sure it will........Big Oil hates making record profits and wants to give something back to the little people.....We Luv Big Oil.... angel
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Re: Single trader behind oil record
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 07:25:44 PM »
If oil had been $70/bbl, and he drove it to $100, THAT would be news.  This is trivia.



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"He paid $600 for the right to tell his grandchildren that he was the first in the world to buy $100 oil."

Whereupon they will look at him like he's senile and say "Oil?  What's that??  And what are these dollar things you keep going on about?".
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