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Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« on: January 13, 2008, 06:18:06 PM »
Just how far can the Republicans go before the "well we'd be worse off with Dems in power" argument stops being tossed around?

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/01/government_file.php

pdf of the brief is at the above link

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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 12:16:07 PM »
Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 12:22:28 PM »
Why wouldn't the gov't provide a brief supporting their own laws?
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 02:45:26 PM »
Why wouldn't the gov't provide a brief supporting their own laws?
the brief was filed by the U.S. Government.  The law was passed by the D.C. Government.  They are not the same entity.

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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 04:22:35 PM »
Government always looks after the interests of government first, last, and always.
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 05:34:26 PM »
Why wouldn't the gov't provide a brief supporting their own laws?
the brief was filed by the U.S. Government.  The law was passed by the D.C. Government.  They are not the same entity.

The federal gov't, IIRC, has the ultimate authority over DC.
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 05:41:01 PM »
Government always looks after the interests of government first, last, and always.

Sometimes you have to voice your feelings in the most uncooth method, like using the F word for almost every word in a sentance. F them F-ity f-ing f-er f-sticks!
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 05:41:34 PM »
Has anyone read it yet?  I am curious.

I have heard people say the DC case brief was not very good.  I am bit concerned that many gun owners are getting their hopes up over this case.
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 05:50:56 PM »
Okay, sounds like they agree that the 2nd is an individual right, but they want the courts to okay the govts ability to define what firearms we can have.  It sounds like they see the same future possibilties gun owners see and don't want a court decision that will open up challenges to other gun laws. 
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 05:59:12 PM »
Why wouldn't the gov't provide a brief supporting their own laws?
the brief was filed by the U.S. Government.  The law was passed by the D.C. Government.  They are not the same entity.

The federal gov't, IIRC, has the ultimate authority over DC.

True.  Technically (someone correct me) DC is controlled by Congress, which basically allows it to have a government like a regular city.  But, for as long as I can remember, DC has pretty much been under home rule.  Regardless, the argument that the DC government and whoever filed this brief are the same entity is pretty weak IMO. 

I tried to read it, but lawyer-speak is so full of run-on sentences and "look at me I'm smart" big words, I have to read a sentence a few times to get the gist of it, and even then I'm not totally sure.  I've seen a few articles/blogs discussing it, and their point seems to be "The 2A is an individual right (lip service to the base I assume rolleyes), but the government can make any anti-gun laws it wants as long as it has a rrreeeaaaally good reason" which pretty much negates the first part of that sentence. 

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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 06:18:47 PM »
This is where the rubber hits the road with the .gov crowd.

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B. Although the court of appeals correctly held that
the Second Amendment protects an individual right, it
did not apply the correct standard for evaluating respondent’s
Second Amendment claim. Like other provisions
of the Constitution that secure individual rights, the
Second Amendment’s protection of individual rights
does not render all laws limiting gun ownership automatically
invalid. To the contrary, the Second Amendment,
properly construed, allows for reasonable regulation
of firearms, must be interpreted in light of context
and history, and is subject to important exceptions, such
as the rule that convicted felons may be denied firearms
because those persons have never been understood to be
within the Amendment’s protections. Nothing in the
Second Amendment properly understood—and certainly
no principle necessary to decide this case—calls for invalidation
of the numerous federal laws regulating firearms.

When, as here, a law directly limits the private possession
of “Arms” in a way that has no grounding in
Framing-era practice, the Second Amendment requires
that the law be subject to heightened scrutiny that considers
(a) the practical impact of the challenged restrictions
on the plaintiff ’s ability to possess firearms for
lawful purposes (which depends in turn on the nature
and functional adequacy of available alternatives), and
(b) the strength of the government’s interest in enforcement
of the relevant restriction. Cf. Burdick v.
Takushi, 504 U.S. 428, 434 (1992). Under that intermediate
level of review, the “rigorousness” of the inquiry
depends on the degree of the burden on protected conduct,
and important regulatory interests are typically
sufficient to justify reasonable restrictions.

They want it kicked back to the lower court so that they can rule more narrowly. Or they want a opinion that is so narrow as to be useless to any other case brought before the court.

Edited to add:

I think it is taking a big gamble on their part with the statements like "the Second amendment PROPERLY CONSTRUED" and "the Second amendment PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD". Directed at the SCOTUS just might rub them the wrong way. Kind of like calling someone ignorant and then expecting them to side with you in a argument.

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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 05:35:35 AM »
I certainly can understand the attitude about not wanting a precedent...from the govt's perspective anyway.  Not that I agree with it.

It would be pretty interesting if the laws against felons owning guns were kicked out.  I bet every state would rewrite its criminal justice statues within 2 years.  At the very least, someone would sue to force the govt to reopen that office that reviews cases to reinstate gun rights. 
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Re: Govt. files Amicus supporting D.C. in the Parker Case
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 10:15:20 PM »
I read it. Even tough Heller V. DC is about a handgun ban and operational long arms, it seems to spend alot of time talking about machine guns. Almost like they (the chief author appears to be from the ATF) have seen the writing on the wall if the USSC makes a broad individual rights decision.