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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2008, 09:44:29 PM »
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Is an M60 considered a heavy weapon?  Well, I'm sure it's heavy after a few miles of road march, but other than that...

We didn't call it "The Pig" for nothing.


Is that whence the name?  Never had the honor of humping the 60 for very long, never wanted to.

We fired the 240/MAG-58 in OSUT, so I could never get too excited by the 60. 

I joined the Marines in '91 and still had to deal with that POS.  It was ugly, heavy and unreliable.  Unlike actual swine, it actually got pretty dirty too.

If we were going to steal from the Nazi's we should have had the good graces to not screw up their design in the process.
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2008, 09:58:55 PM »
I joined the Marines in '91 and still had to deal with that POS. 


My company had a couple of them in 2000.  I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units.  The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2008, 03:38:08 AM »
Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?


Depends....how's your upper body strength and tolerance for handling superheated barrels bare-handed?.....

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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2008, 06:38:46 AM »
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2008, 08:49:16 AM »
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If we were going to steal from the Nazi's we should have had the good graces to not screw up their design in the process.

I think the designers threw away all the good features of the MG34/MG42 and said "Let's do the exact opposite to produce the worst weapon possible."
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2008, 08:56:18 AM »
As regards being able to buy machine guns in general, I still find it ironic that a greasegun, which would take about two hours in a metalshop or far less for a CNC machine to crank out, with a material cost of about $30 or so...

That gun costs about $25,000 last I'd seen one.


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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2008, 09:20:29 AM »
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My company had a couple of them in 2000.  I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units.  The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.

Yup.  Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2008, 09:24:56 AM »
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My company had a couple of them in 2000.  I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units.  The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.

Yup.  Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.


They just don't want to carry the additional weight.   cheesy
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2008, 10:37:06 AM »
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My company had a couple of them in 2000.  I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units.  The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.

Yup.  Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.


They just don't want to carry the additional weight.   cheesy

Maybe it's its origin as a coax gun, but the Golf's feel squarer to carry to me.  More hard edges to dig into your skin.  They aren't that much heavier but they don't carry as comfy.

But I like that they don't seem to hiccup as much.

Which model are you guys using Dev, any idea what production year?
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2008, 12:01:58 PM »
Sorry, I don't have any specifics.  I only have to worry about my new-to-me M4 (as of last month).

Having carried the 240 during the latter days of OSUT, I would have to agree that it's not just the weight, but the ergonomics as well.
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2008, 01:16:24 PM »
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2008, 03:12:27 PM »
I haven't spent much time with the dismount 240, either, but it's little brother (the 249) is a chip off the square, uncomfortable block. 
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2008, 05:02:34 PM »


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Do you honestly think that the artificially inflated NFA market for full-auto counts as "available?"

Government induced scarcity with extreme price distortion of Constitutional questionability technically is "available". 

I haven't spent much time with the dismount 240, either, but it's little brother (the 249) is a chip off the square, uncomfortable block. 

Hey, just because you didn't get a SAW cozy, don't be knocking the 249.  It's a fine mini MG.   
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2008, 02:08:24 AM »
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.

If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?


Why stop at 18?  In many states kids can drive at 15.  Why limit it to anybody, why require ID?  Why limit it to citizens?
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2008, 06:53:47 AM »
I've purchased several M60s over the counter.

Oh, wait, we are talking about the GPMG, not the Smith revolver. grin
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2008, 03:06:19 PM »
So long as you have no prior history of mental defect, you should be able to purchase a machinegun as a citizen.

As far as age restriction goes, if you are old enough to be trusted with a 3,000 lbs vehicle carrying 20 gallons of gasoline and going at 80mph, you should also be trusted to own a firearm.

Regarding automatic weapons in general, current restrictions are ironically in favor of seasoned criminals who know how to shoot. If the common citizenry were allowed UZIs, which can be effective with minimal training and are cheap to own, my prediction is that criminals (and statists) would be far less bold in their activities. Nothing like a shower of lead to cool heels and improve manners.

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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2008, 05:47:21 PM »
Why stop at 18?  In many states kids can drive at 15.  Why limit it to anybody, why require ID?  Why limit it to citizens?

*sigh*

Rabbi, have you ever heard of the "slippery slope" logical fallacy?

Oh, I see that you have:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=620.msg9455#msg9455
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=3785.msg56360#msg56360
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=8417.msg138627#msg138627

Funny, that.

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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2008, 05:53:02 PM »
So long as you have no prior history of mental defect, you should be able to purchase a machinegun as a citizen.   


Well, then, we will all lose our guns once they find our posts here. 
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2008, 06:12:27 PM »
Why stop at 18?  In many states kids can drive at 15.  Why limit it to anybody, why require ID?  Why limit it to citizens?

*sigh*

Rabbi, have you ever heard of the "slippery slope" logical fallacy?

Oh, I see that you have:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=620.msg9455#msg9455
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=3785.msg56360#msg56360
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=8417.msg138627#msg138627

Funny, that.
No, I havent but why do you ask?
And what does that have to do with my question?

If the OP wants to say that an M240 machine gun is inherently no more dangerous than an automobile then logically anyone who can drive an automobile ought to be able to purchase a machine gun. So why restrict ownership by age or prior criminal record or citizenship status?
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2008, 01:26:44 AM »
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.

If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?


Why stop at 18?  In many states kids can drive at 15.  Why limit it to anybody, why require ID?  Why limit it to citizens?

Me... I wouldn't draw the line at all.  But, in the interest of the ever-pleasing comprimise, I'll agree to set the age at 18 for cars and guns.
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2008, 11:13:25 AM »
yes.. yes.. absolutly... oh wait, i was thinking of the M1 abrams.....M60MG?   yes.. yes.. absolutly...
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2008, 11:22:43 AM »
yes.. yes.. absolutly... oh wait, i was thinking of the M1 abrams.....M60MG?   yes.. yes.. absolutly...

An M1 gets terrible gas mileage. On the plus side, if someone tailgates you, you can throttle up and melt their paint off.  grin

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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2008, 12:05:37 PM »
yes.. yes.. absolutly... oh wait, i was thinking of the M1 abrams.....M60MG?   yes.. yes.. absolutly...

An M1 gets terrible gas mileage. On the plus side, if someone tailgates you, you can throttle up and melt their paint off.  grin
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2008, 12:10:19 PM »
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.

If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun

I think an appropriate control would be the clerk having to say "Would you like to supersize that?  We have an excellent deal on M2 .50 BMG's."
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Re: Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2008, 12:40:46 PM »
Isn't there also a U.S. tank called the M60?
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