Your thoughts on McCain

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

saying something stupid twice makes a statement   probably not the one you are trying for but one never knows

[seeker_two]

So, you vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't get elected. Does that accomplish ANYTHING?

He's getting a solid 5% across the country. And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

Well, I hope the Paulistinians enjoy burning their RON PAUL signs in their fireplace the first winter after President Obama or President Clinton taxes them so hard they're left with pocket change. Because they'll have helped put them in office.

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

And McCain will be any better?.........

....the same McCain who received the endorsement from George HW Bush, who assured us that McCain would not raise taxes?.........

....I'm tired of reading lips...... 

[Manedwolf]

So, you vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't get elected. Does that accomplish ANYTHING?

He's getting a solid 5% across the country. And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

Well, I hope the Paulistinians enjoy burning their RON PAUL signs in their fireplace the first winter after President Obama or President Clinton taxes them so hard they're left with pocket change. Because they'll have helped put them in office.

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

And McCain will be any better?.........

....the same McCain who received the endorsement from George HW Bush, who assured us that McCain would not raise taxes?.........

....I'm tired of reading lips...... 

You're still not getting it.

THE CHOICE IS:

McCain

or

Hillary/Obama

I don't CARE if you don't like it. Neither do I! But that's reality! Nothing you do will change that, nothing the Paulistinians can do will change that, all they can do is waste votes and put the latter in office. You want to help with that, go right ahead, but don't DARE whine later about what Obama or Hillary do.

[Finch]

You're still not getting it.

THE CHOICE IS:

McCain

or

Hillary/Obama

I don't CARE if you don't like it. Neither do I! But that's reality! Nothing you do will change that, nothing the Paulistinians can do will change that, all they can do is waste votes and put the latter in office. You want to help with that, go right ahead, but don't DARE whine later about what Obama or Hillary do.

And you're not getting it.

THEY ARE THE SAME!

Both will destroy this country and it's constitution. I'm not saying this as a Paul supporter. I know Paul is done. Fine, whatever. But McCain is no second choice. He is not a choice at all. He will not better this country. Just like Hillbama will not better this country. We are screwed either way.

[Paddy]

You all do understand that McCain has near zero chance of winning.  Against either Clinton or Obama, he'll look short, fat, old, tired and wheezy.  He'll be the nightly butt of jokes on Leno and Letterman, not to mention the 'semi-political' shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, Maher and the rest.  He will become a caricature of himself in the 'popular culture', where perception is reality.  And, his public speaking skills are weak compared either of the other two.

Add that to the number of Republicans and former Republicans who will just stay home, and he's gonna get beat like a redheaded stepchild.

[Manedwolf]

On the contrary, the more Obama talks, the more people realize he:

1. Isn't saying a damn thing.
2. Is a socialist.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you a gambling man riley?  10 of my bucks to the sierra club or geenpeqce if mcaain looses to any version of hillbama  and 10 of yours to the republican party if he wins

[De Selby]

On the contrary, the more Obama talks, the more people realize he:

1. Isn't saying a damn thing.
2. Is a socialist.

Are you serious?

So far, every additional hour of exposure has catapulted him to more votes.  You will notice that his winning streak is vastly increasing, and his poll numbers are going up every month.

Maybe you really want for this to be the case, but the facts do not support this view.

If the superdelegates don't select Hillary, it is extremely likely at this point that Obama will win the 2008 election.  McCain is simply not that good at politics-he couldn't beat George Bush in 2000.  He is hated by his party's core supporters.  And if there is an antonym to charisma, it will be the word used to describe him when he stands next to the democratic nominee in the debates.

A continuation of the "conservative" winning streak of the 90's is fantasy at this point.  GW has done too much damage to the movement, and it would take someone with the charisma and organizational skills of...Obama....to put up a realistic fight on the republican side. 

Or hillary on the dem side, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen anyway.

[Paddy]

On the contrary, the more Obama talks, the more people realize he:

1. Isn't saying a damn thing.
2. Is a socialist.

Completely agree.  He's an empty suit who won't get anywhere near the stuff done he's promising.  He'll disappoint everyone who votes for him.   He'll also be a one termer if elected IMO.

You're on, cassandra'sdaddy. 

[De Selby]

On the contrary, the more Obama talks, the more people realize he:

1. Isn't saying a damn thing.
2. Is a socialist.

Completely agree.  He's an empty suit who won't get anywhere near the stuff done he's promising.  He'll disappoint everyone who votes for him.   He'll also be a one termer if elected IMO.

You're on, cassandra'sdaddy. 

You mean like Slick Willie Clinton?

It's impossible to underestimate the power of good political organization and image advertising.  You don't need to implement that many policies or do anything spectacular if you have those two things in America; Clinton proved that, and to a lesser degree, so did Bush (definitely more organization than image). 

Even now there are people who pay homage to the Clinton years, despite the obvious fact that they accomplished nothing.  He remains popular everywhere he goes.  I think you are focusing on details that, while they should be important, just aren't key to winning elections in this country.  "character" means a whole lot more than policy.

[Paddy]

There are two reasons Clinton was re-elected

1) The economic boom of the 90's for which he took credit.  Remember, Bush Sr left us in a recession.
2) His opponent was wheezy old Bob Dole.

Obama (if elected) will not enjoy a prosperous economy during his first term.  He won't deliver the stuff he's promising, either.  People will want 'change'.  He's got 'one term' written all over him.

[Manedwolf]

He would, however, immediately go meet with dictators without condition, get used as a prop, and let those dictators reinforce their grip on power because "America the superpower recognizes them".

That would be catastrophic for many regions' stability and human rights, too.

[De Selby]

There are two reasons Clinton was re-elected

1) The economic boom of the 90's for which he took credit.  Remember, Bush Sr left us in a recession.
2) His opponent was wheezy old Bob Dole.

Obama (if elected) will not enjoy a prosperous economy during his first term.  He won't deliver the stuff he's promising, either.  People will want 'change'.  He's got 'one term' written all over him.

1) The boom was just beginning in 1996, when Clinton faced re-election for the first time.  He was also hated by an enormously popular conservative movement at that time.  The same electorate that put Newt Gingrich in the driver's seat of Congress is the one that gave it to Clinton over Dole.

2) Couldn't agree more-the comparisons to McCain and any foreseeable candidate in 2012 are obvious.  Obama in 2012 would face the likes of Mitt Romney, or someone who was similarly incapable of beating John McCain this time....not good prospects.

Obama will not need to deliver anything except a good speech and to avoid rocking the boat.  That's how Clinton won term two, and that's how GW won term two...except without the good speech part.

I wish policy were more important in elections, but it is a simple fact that it isn't.  This has been true at least since Carter/Reagan, and there's no reason why it will change with 2008's election.

[De Selby]

He would, however, immediately go meet with dictators without condition, get used as a prop, and let those dictators reinforce their grip on power because "America the superpower recognizes them".

That would be catastrophic for many regions' stability and human rights, too.

The tenacity of dictatorships has never had anything to do with American elections, and it won't this time either.  Rumsfeld smiling and shaking hands with Saddam wasn't even on the radar during 04.  This idea that Obama meeting with someone in such a way that they clown on him (think of the people you're talking about here-ahmadinejad and kim jong, or who?) is totally unrealistic. 

Not only can you be sure that the polls will govern all of Obama's meetings, you can be equally sure that anyone he meets with (if anyone) will be too stupid to capitalize on it. 

[Paddy]

Here's an interesting opinion piece.  The author makes points that are hard to refute.

The Obama Delusion

[Manedwolf]

He would, however, immediately go meet with dictators without condition, get used as a prop, and let those dictators reinforce their grip on power because "America the superpower recognizes them".

That would be catastrophic for many regions' stability and human rights, too.

The tenacity of dictatorships has never had anything to do with American elections, and it won't this time either.  Rumsfeld smiling and shaking hands with Saddam wasn't even on the radar during 04.  This idea that Obama meeting with someone in such a way that they clown on him (think of the people you're talking about here-ahmadinejad and kim jong, or who?) is totally unrealistic. 

Rumsfeld was not the President of the United States, a face everyone on the planet knows.

[seeker_two]

So, you vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't get elected. Does that accomplish ANYTHING?

He's getting a solid 5% across the country. And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

Well, I hope the Paulistinians enjoy burning their RON PAUL signs in their fireplace the first winter after President Obama or President Clinton taxes them so hard they're left with pocket change. Because they'll have helped put them in office.

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

And McCain will be any better?.........

....the same McCain who received the endorsement from George HW Bush, who assured us that McCain would not raise taxes?.........

....I'm tired of reading lips...... 

You're still not getting it.

THE CHOICE IS:

McCain

or

Hillary/Obama

I don't CARE if you don't like it. Neither do I! But that's reality! Nothing you do will change that, nothing the Paulistinians can do will change that, all they can do is waste votes and put the latter in office. You want to help with that, go right ahead, but don't DARE whine later about what Obama or Hillary do.

And when McCain signs the Democrat-supported bills that do the exact same thing as anything proposed by Hillbama, I expect you to stifle your cries of agony as well......

I refuse to be an accomplice to the slow murder of this Republic and its Constitution......

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Those of you that think McCain's as bad as Hillary, go to a Clinton rally. They'll spell things out very nicely for ya there.

[grampster]

I listen to the nothing that Obama speaks and his cadence reminds me of a Baptist minister without the Hahh after every other sentence.

"I give you hope, hahh. I give you change, hahh.  Top O the world, Hahh....

At least the Baptist minister's sermon is about the Truth the Light and the Way.

One would hope that if it's McCain V Obama, that McCain will have some very astute folks who will be able to disect everything than Obama says and counters it with reason, light and cause and effect.

 

[Bogie]

What I'm worried about are judicial appointees.
 
McCain won't be picking his - he'll rubber stamp them, but they'll basically be picked by the party at large. He's going to be wanting to play nice with is folks in hopes of a second term. I suspect that we'll get some fairly conservative judges with him. Won't have to do a lot of worrying about 2nd amendment stuff.
 
Hillary will likely use the positions as rewards, and they'll be moderate to left leaning Democrats. Not a lot of immediate problems, but not good either.
 
Obama will likely go with the far left democrats. Picture Jesse Jackson in the supreme court.
 
I'm hoping it goes to McCain/Clinton... Because Obama speaks real nice, and acts real nice, and the people who watch a lot of TV will vote for him.
 

[De Selby]

I'm hoping it goes to McCain/Clinton... Because Obama speaks real nice, and acts real nice, and the people who watch a lot of TV will vote for him.
 

You mean like the vast majority of the population?

Conservative judges do not care about the second amendment-it's not a battle that is going to be won in the courts.  But that doesn't mean Obama is good for gun rights, obviously.  Just means that worrying about the federal court nominees is focusing on the wrong details.

[Paddy]

You mean like the vast majority of the population?

And at one time, the vast majority of the population thought that owning black slaves was ok.  Popular public opinion can be wrong.  Very wrong.

[grampster]

Although I shudder to think who is going to wind up as president and who will run the house and senate, American voters constantly surprise me and the conventional wisdom. 

[De Selby]

You mean like the vast majority of the population?

And at one time, the vast majority of the population thought that owning black slaves was ok.  Popular public opinion can be wrong.  Very wrong.

Not only can it be wrong-it has proven itself to be wrong, just like you point out.

This very real fact doesn't change the odds on this election, though.

[Silver Bullet]

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

Uh-oh !  Somebody had a bad Saint Valentine's Night !