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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2008, 09:44:05 AM »
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What if we asked that hospitals can turn away the uninsured?  What if we demanded that they have insurance or refer them to a charity?

Good luck with that! The liberals would scream.
  I agree.  However if the Congress passes it, then we are stuck with it.  But either way I think many here would agree with me.

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2008, 10:52:01 AM »
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.

Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? 

Because immigration is primarily for the benefit of the USA, not the immigrant or another country. 

Immigrants from 1st world countries are much more likely to speak English, have an education, and not be a burden on social(ist) welfare services.

Also, most first world countries have cultures more compatible with the USA's than others.  This makes it easier for them to assimilate and be successful in the USA.
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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2008, 01:06:51 PM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world." That the priorities in our gov's policies are so messed up is a direct result of deep infiltration of all levels of government by pinko globalists and socialists who honestly think US is here to fix other nations' problems. That is the root of most of our troubles.

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2008, 04:00:21 PM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world." That the priorities in our gov's policies are so messed up is a direct result of deep infiltration of all levels of government by pinko globalists and socialists who honestly think US is here to fix other nations' problems. That is the root of most of our troubles.

Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2008, 04:12:19 PM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world." That the priorities in our gov's policies are so messed up is a direct result of deep infiltration of all levels of government by pinko globalists and socialists who honestly think US is here to fix other nations' problems. That is the root of most of our troubles.

Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.


Kinda like John McCain?.......
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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2008, 01:12:29 AM »
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.

Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? 

Because immigration is primarily for the benefit of the USA, not the immigrant or another country. 

Immigrants from 1st world countries are much more likely to speak English, have an education, and not be a burden on social(ist) welfare services.

Also, most first world countries have cultures more compatible with the USA's than others.  This makes it easier for them to assimilate and be successful in the USA.
  Please explain.  Define first world countries?  I am assuming you are talking about Europe?  I would argue that many other countries (India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, much of Africa) speak English.  It is a very well known international language. 

But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible?  We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA.  Can you name a group that has not assimilated after a generation or two and took on the properties of the hybrid culture? 

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2008, 04:55:00 AM »
But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible?  We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA.  

Are you serious?  Are you saying that our society is culturally as close to leaf-cloth wearing hunter-gatherer tribalism as it is to Western Europe Christian constitutional republicanism with limited capitalism? If you are, I give up on you.

Just because you can eat eggrolls, eclairs, Turkish delight, and canoli in the same day and bunk up with women from every race in the same week without leaving a major metropolitan area does not make the US a faceless Babylon. I suggest you travel more; ambient culture is always invisible until you get out and have something to compare it to.

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2008, 04:58:06 AM »
Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.

Those are bourgeois decadent thoughts, comrade! Equality and "fairness" are more important than practical matters. It is far more important that everyone is equally and fairly, well, ... dead.

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2008, 05:04:07 AM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!

If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.

Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.

There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2008, 06:04:02 AM »
Please explain.  Define first world countries?  I am assuming you are talking about Europe?  I would argue that many other countries (India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, much of Africa) speak English.  It is a very well known international language. 

But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible?  We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA.  Can you name a group that has not assimilated after a generation or two and took on the properties of the hybrid culture? 

"First World" already has a definition.  Get off your fourth point of contact & look it up, I am not your personal "Tecumseh-pedia."

Your assumptions are not my assumptions.

If you do not know the basics of culture, I can not help you.  You either never were educated or were deliberately mal-educated.  I will assume you are being facetious.

The USA was not a hybrid- or multi-cultural country.  It was a multi-ethnic country with a single culture and a few, tenacious sub-cultures.  There is a difference and that difference means that we don't have to be ruled by a despot to keep the various immiscible cultures from going Balkan. 

Any culture alien to American culture can persist if it can maintain a steady flow of new immigrants from the alien culture and keep a center of mass.  Examples of such are the current Mexican / S American influx since 1964, some enclaves of Russians in the Northeast, and a few oriental hotspots in some of the major urban centers.  Dearborn, Michican & the Richardson/Dallas/Garland nexus in Texas are examples of middle eastern hotspots of persistent alien cultures.
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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2008, 08:18:38 AM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!

If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.

Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.

There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
  How do you determine who is an Islamic Jihadist and who isnt?

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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2008, 08:23:35 AM »
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!

If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.

Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.

There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
  How do you determine who is an Islamic Jihadist and who isnt?

Check their green card.......
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Re: Green cards to go out, background check or not.
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2008, 10:26:41 PM »
"Background checks" based on whose information? That of the agencies of Mexico and a pile of other thoroughly corrupted third world nations?

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