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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 08:53:28 PM »
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 10:08:24 PM »
You've got to keep up with the times. Che Guevara is in fashion.  cheesy

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 11:24:43 PM »
So what?

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 01:41:13 AM »
So what?
So nothing, other than it reveals a little bit about Obama and his ideas. 

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 01:53:53 AM »
So what?
So nothing, other than it reveals a little bit about Obama and his ideas. 

So Obama is supervising campaign office decor now?  Busy guy....

Sadly enough, Che would probably be a much better candidate than the ones we have now......and he's dead.....maybe because he's dead......
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 01:59:41 AM »
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180 DOCUMENTED VICTIMS OF CH? GUEVARA IN CUBA: 1957 TO 1959
From: Armando M. Lago, Ph.D., Cuba. The Human Cost of Social Revolutions, unedited
Manuscript pending publication. Information provided by the TRUTH RECOVERY ARCHIVE ON CUBA
an undertaking of the FREE SOCIETY PROJECT, INC.
The exact number of Ches Cuban victims has not been verified, but include people he personally
executed and those put to death under his orders. Ches biographers consistently report that he sent
thousands to the firing squad. Over 4,000 deaths  are documented to have taken place in Cuba, mostly
firing squad execution, in the first three years after Fidel Castros takeover (1959-1962). Che Guevara
was one of the regimes chief executioners during this period and is said to have acknowledged ordering
"several thousand" executions. All took place without affording the victims fair trials and due process of law.
The following list is not exhaustive and only includes cases for which historic reference is known. Names are 
cited as reported; dates and additional details for most are available. Combat deaths caused by Che in Cuba
and killings in countries where he led guerrilla operations have not been tallied.
14 executed by Che in the Sierra Maestra during the anti-Batista guerrilla struggle (1957-1958):
1. ARISTIDIO  2. MANUEL CAPIT?N  3. JUAN CHANG  4. BISCO ECHEVARR?A  5. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #1
6. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #2  7. EUTIMIO GUERRA  8. DIONISIO LEBRIGIO  9. JUAN LEBRIGIO  10. EL NEGRO N?POLES
11. CHICHO OSORIO  12. ONE UNIDENTIFIED TEACHER (EL MAESTRO)  13.-14. 2 UNIDENTIFIED PEASANTS
10 executed in Santa Clara at Ches orders in only two days (January 1959):
1. RAM?N ALBA  2. JOS? BARROSO  3. JOAQU?N CASILLAS  4. F?LIX CRUZ  5. ALEJANDRO GARC?A OLAY?N
6. H?CTOR MIRABAL  7. J. MIRABAL  8. F?LIX MONTANO  9. CORNELIO ROJAS  10. VILALLA
156 executed at La Caba?a Fortress prison at Che Guevaras orders:
1. VILAU ABREU  2. HUMBERTO AGUIAR  3. GERM?N AGUIRRE  4. PELAYO ALAY?N  5. JOS? LUIS ALFARO
6. PEDRO ALFARO  7. MARIANO ALONSO  8. JOS? ALVARO  9. ANIELLA  10. MARIO ARES POLO
11. JOS? RAM?N BACALLAO 12. CEVERINO BARRIOS  13. EUGENIO B?CQUER  14. FRANCISCO B?CQUER
15. RAM?N BISCET  16. ROBERTO CALZADILLA 17. EUFEMIO CANO  18. JUAN CAPOTE FIALLO
19. ANTONIO CARRALERO  20. GERTRUDIS CASTELLANOS  21. JOS? CASTA?O QUEVEDO  22. RA?L CASTA?O
23. EUFEMIO CHALA  24. JOS? CHAMACE  25. JOS? CHAMIZO 26. RA?L CLAUSELL  27. ?NGEL CLAUSELL
28. DEMETRIO CLAUSELL  29. JOS? CLAUSELL  30. ELOY CONTRERAS 31. ALBERTO CORBO  32. EMILIO CRUZ
33. JUAN FELIPE CRUZ  34. ORESTES CRUZ  35. HUMBERTO CUEVAS 36. CUNY  37. ANTONIO DE BECHE
38. MATEO DELGADO  39. ARMANDO DELGADO  40. RAM?N DESPAIGNE 41. JOS? D?AZ CABEZAS
42. ANTONIO DUARTE  43. RAM?N FERN?NDEZ OJEDA  44. RUDY FERN?NDEZ 45. FERR?N ALFONSO
46. SALVADOR FERRERO  47. VICTOR FIGUEREDO  48. EDUARDO FORTE 49. UGARDE GAL?N
50. RAFAEL GARC?A MU?IZ  51. ADALBERTO GARC?A  52. ALBERTO GARC?A 53. JACINTO GARC?A
54. EVELIO GASPAR  55. ARMADA GIL Y DIEZ CABEZAS  56. JOS? GONZ?LEZ MALAG?N 57. EVARISTO GONZ?LEZ
58. EZEQUIEL GONZ?LEZ  59. SECUNDINO GONZ?LEZ  60. RICARDO GRAO 61. BONIFACIO GRASSO
62. RICARDO JOS? GRAU  63. OSCAR GUERRA  64. JULI?N HERN?NDEZ 65. FRANCISCO HERN?NDEZ LEYVA
66. ANTONIO HERN?NDEZ  67. GERARDO HERN?NDEZ  68. OLEGARIO HERN?NDEZ 69. SECUNDINO HERN?NDEZ
70. JES?S INSUA  71. ENRIQUE IZQUIERDO  72. OSM?N JORR?N  73. SILVINO JUNCO 74. ENRIQUE LA ROSA
75. IGNACIO LASAPARLA  76. JES?S LAZO  77. ARIEL LIMA LAGO  78. RA?L L?PEZ VIDAL 79. ARMANDO MAS
80. ENERLIO MATA  81. ELPIDIO MEDEROS  82. JOS? MEDINAS  83. JOS? MESA 84. FIDEL MESQU?A
85. JUAN MILI?N  86. FRANCISCO MIRABAL  87. LUIS MIRABAL  88. ERNESTO MORALES 89. PEDRO MOREJ?N
90. DR. CARLOS MUI?O, MD.  91. C?SAR NECOLARDES ROJAS  92. VICTOR NECOLARDES ROJAS 93. JOS? NU?EZ
94. VITERBO O'RREILLY  95. F?LIX OVIEDO  96. MANUEL PANEQUE  97. PEDRO PEDROSO 98. RAFAEL PEDROSO
99. DIEGO P?REZ CUESTA  100. JUAN P?REZ  101. DIEGO P?REZ CRELA  102. JOS? POZO 103. EMILIO PUEBLA
104. ALFREDO PUPO  105. SECUNDINO RAM?REZ  106. RAM?N RAMOS  107. PABLO RAVELO 108. RUB?N REY
109. MARIO RISQUELME  110. FERNANDO RIVERA  111. PABLO RIVERA  112. MANUEL RODR?GUEZ
113. MARCOS RODR?GUEZ  114. NEMESIO RODR?GUEZ  115. PABLO RODR?GUEZ  116. RICARDO RODR?GUEZ
117. JOS? SALDARA  118. PEDRO SANTANA  119. SERGIO SIERRA  120. JUAN SILVA  121. FAUSTO SILVA
122. ELPIDIO SOLER 123. JES?S SOSA BLANCO  124. RENATO SOSA  125. SERGIO SOSA  126. PEDRO SOTO
127. OSCAR SU?REZ  128. RAFAEL TARRAGO  129. TEODORO TELLEZ CISNEROS  130. FRANCISCO TELLEZ
131. JOS? TIN  132. FRANCISCO TRAVIESO 133. LEONARDO TRUJILLO  134. TRUJILLO  135. LUPE VALD?S BARBOSA
136. MARCELINO VALD?S  137. ANTONIO VALENT?N 138. MANUEL V?ZQUEZ  139. SERGIO V?ZQUEZ  140. VERDECIA
141. D?MASO ZAYAS
*15 additional executions were reported by The New York Times (on 2/6/59, 2/8/59, 3/16/59, and 4/2/59),
but names are unknown.

Yeah, he'd make a great candidate! 

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 02:53:14 AM »
So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 04:50:54 AM »
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 05:07:15 AM »
Scratch a 'rat, find a leftist.

I think a picture is worth a thousand words. That one says it all.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 05:24:32 AM »
Well, Che was for "change" too...
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 05:27:32 AM »
It's rumored that Che was put down with a US-supplied M-1 Carbine.

Obama wants to take those away, because they're semi-auto. Fitting.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 05:58:50 AM »
Well, Che was for "change" too...

Vote for Che.......he's dead.......
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 06:01:30 AM »
Regardless of whether you think Mr. Guevera was a bad man or not, how is it possible that Obama is running for president, and doesn't have AMERICAN flags on his walls prominently?  That is the most telling part.  This infuriates me to no end.  I couldn't care if he had Mickey Mouse or Britney Spears posters on the wall, the fact is, he man is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (with a good chance of winning Sad ) and doesn't have American flags up in very central locations.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2008, 06:27:12 AM »
So what?
Ya know...

The fact that the question was even asked is very indicative of what is wrong with Democrats and younger voters these days.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 08:08:35 AM »
So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.
  Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul.  Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?  I also don't think it is polite to call people morons, just my opinion.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 08:15:28 AM »
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180 DOCUMENTED VICTIMS OF CH? GUEVARA IN CUBA: 1957 TO 1959
From: Armando M. Lago, Ph.D., Cuba. The Human Cost of Social Revolutions, unedited
Manuscript pending publication. Information provided by the TRUTH RECOVERY ARCHIVE ON CUBA
an undertaking of the FREE SOCIETY PROJECT, INC.
The exact number of Ches Cuban victims has not been verified, but include people he personally
executed and those put to death under his orders. Ches biographers consistently report that he sent
thousands to the firing squad. Over 4,000 deaths  are documented to have taken place in Cuba, mostly
firing squad execution, in the first three years after Fidel Castros takeover (1959-1962). Che Guevara
was one of the regimes chief executioners during this period and is said to have acknowledged ordering
"several thousand" executions. All took place without affording the victims fair trials and due process of law.
The following list is not exhaustive and only includes cases for which historic reference is known. Names are 
cited as reported; dates and additional details for most are available. Combat deaths caused by Che in Cuba
and killings in countries where he led guerrilla operations have not been tallied.
14 executed by Che in the Sierra Maestra during the anti-Batista guerrilla struggle (1957-1958):
1. ARISTIDIO  2. MANUEL CAPIT?N  3. JUAN CHANG  4. BISCO ECHEVARR?A  5. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #1
6. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #2  7. EUTIMIO GUERRA  8. DIONISIO LEBRIGIO  9. JUAN LEBRIGIO  10. EL NEGRO N?POLES
11. CHICHO OSORIO  12. ONE UNIDENTIFIED TEACHER (EL MAESTRO)  13.-14. 2 UNIDENTIFIED PEASANTS
10 executed in Santa Clara at Ches orders in only two days (January 1959):
1. RAM?N ALBA  2. JOS? BARROSO  3. JOAQU?N CASILLAS  4. F?LIX CRUZ  5. ALEJANDRO GARC?A OLAY?N
6. H?CTOR MIRABAL  7. J. MIRABAL  8. F?LIX MONTANO  9. CORNELIO ROJAS  10. VILALLA
156 executed at La Caba?a Fortress prison at Che Guevaras orders:
1. VILAU ABREU  2. HUMBERTO AGUIAR  3. GERM?N AGUIRRE  4. PELAYO ALAY?N  5. JOS? LUIS ALFARO
6. PEDRO ALFARO  7. MARIANO ALONSO  8. JOS? ALVARO  9. ANIELLA  10. MARIO ARES POLO
11. JOS? RAM?N BACALLAO 12. CEVERINO BARRIOS  13. EUGENIO B?CQUER  14. FRANCISCO B?CQUER
15. RAM?N BISCET  16. ROBERTO CALZADILLA 17. EUFEMIO CANO  18. JUAN CAPOTE FIALLO
19. ANTONIO CARRALERO  20. GERTRUDIS CASTELLANOS  21. JOS? CASTA?O QUEVEDO  22. RA?L CASTA?O
23. EUFEMIO CHALA  24. JOS? CHAMACE  25. JOS? CHAMIZO 26. RA?L CLAUSELL  27. ?NGEL CLAUSELL
28. DEMETRIO CLAUSELL  29. JOS? CLAUSELL  30. ELOY CONTRERAS 31. ALBERTO CORBO  32. EMILIO CRUZ
33. JUAN FELIPE CRUZ  34. ORESTES CRUZ  35. HUMBERTO CUEVAS 36. CUNY  37. ANTONIO DE BECHE
38. MATEO DELGADO  39. ARMANDO DELGADO  40. RAM?N DESPAIGNE 41. JOS? D?AZ CABEZAS
42. ANTONIO DUARTE  43. RAM?N FERN?NDEZ OJEDA  44. RUDY FERN?NDEZ 45. FERR?N ALFONSO
46. SALVADOR FERRERO  47. VICTOR FIGUEREDO  48. EDUARDO FORTE 49. UGARDE GAL?N
50. RAFAEL GARC?A MU?IZ  51. ADALBERTO GARC?A  52. ALBERTO GARC?A 53. JACINTO GARC?A
54. EVELIO GASPAR  55. ARMADA GIL Y DIEZ CABEZAS  56. JOS? GONZ?LEZ MALAG?N 57. EVARISTO GONZ?LEZ
58. EZEQUIEL GONZ?LEZ  59. SECUNDINO GONZ?LEZ  60. RICARDO GRAO 61. BONIFACIO GRASSO
62. RICARDO JOS? GRAU  63. OSCAR GUERRA  64. JULI?N HERN?NDEZ 65. FRANCISCO HERN?NDEZ LEYVA
66. ANTONIO HERN?NDEZ  67. GERARDO HERN?NDEZ  68. OLEGARIO HERN?NDEZ 69. SECUNDINO HERN?NDEZ
70. JES?S INSUA  71. ENRIQUE IZQUIERDO  72. OSM?N JORR?N  73. SILVINO JUNCO 74. ENRIQUE LA ROSA
75. IGNACIO LASAPARLA  76. JES?S LAZO  77. ARIEL LIMA LAGO  78. RA?L L?PEZ VIDAL 79. ARMANDO MAS
80. ENERLIO MATA  81. ELPIDIO MEDEROS  82. JOS? MEDINAS  83. JOS? MESA 84. FIDEL MESQU?A
85. JUAN MILI?N  86. FRANCISCO MIRABAL  87. LUIS MIRABAL  88. ERNESTO MORALES 89. PEDRO MOREJ?N
90. DR. CARLOS MUI?O, MD.  91. C?SAR NECOLARDES ROJAS  92. VICTOR NECOLARDES ROJAS 93. JOS? NU?EZ
94. VITERBO O'RREILLY  95. F?LIX OVIEDO  96. MANUEL PANEQUE  97. PEDRO PEDROSO 98. RAFAEL PEDROSO
99. DIEGO P?REZ CUESTA  100. JUAN P?REZ  101. DIEGO P?REZ CRELA  102. JOS? POZO 103. EMILIO PUEBLA
104. ALFREDO PUPO  105. SECUNDINO RAM?REZ  106. RAM?N RAMOS  107. PABLO RAVELO 108. RUB?N REY
109. MARIO RISQUELME  110. FERNANDO RIVERA  111. PABLO RIVERA  112. MANUEL RODR?GUEZ
113. MARCOS RODR?GUEZ  114. NEMESIO RODR?GUEZ  115. PABLO RODR?GUEZ  116. RICARDO RODR?GUEZ
117. JOS? SALDARA  118. PEDRO SANTANA  119. SERGIO SIERRA  120. JUAN SILVA  121. FAUSTO SILVA
122. ELPIDIO SOLER 123. JES?S SOSA BLANCO  124. RENATO SOSA  125. SERGIO SOSA  126. PEDRO SOTO
127. OSCAR SU?REZ  128. RAFAEL TARRAGO  129. TEODORO TELLEZ CISNEROS  130. FRANCISCO TELLEZ
131. JOS? TIN  132. FRANCISCO TRAVIESO 133. LEONARDO TRUJILLO  134. TRUJILLO  135. LUPE VALD?S BARBOSA
136. MARCELINO VALD?S  137. ANTONIO VALENT?N 138. MANUEL V?ZQUEZ  139. SERGIO V?ZQUEZ  140. VERDECIA
141. D?MASO ZAYAS
*15 additional executions were reported by The New York Times (on 2/6/59, 2/8/59, 3/16/59, and 4/2/59),
but names are unknown.

Yeah, he'd make a great candidate! 
  Well Andrew Jackson had murdered more people in office than that while in office.  And he was re-elected!!!

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 08:16:16 AM »
Regardless of whether you think Mr. Guevera was a bad man or not, how is it possible that Obama is running for president, and doesn't have AMERICAN flags on his walls prominently?  That is the most telling part.  This infuriates me to no end.  I couldn't care if he had Mickey Mouse or Britney Spears posters on the wall, the fact is, he man is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (with a good chance of winning Sad ) and doesn't have American flags up in very central locations.
  You didn't see the American flag in the picture?  Look closer next time.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 08:16:22 AM »
So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.
  Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul.  Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?  I also don't think it is polite to call people morons, just my opinion.

Okay, they're not morons.  Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers.
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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 08:23:41 AM »
  Well Andrew Jackson had murdered more people in office than that while in office.  And he was re-elected!!!

I don't recall Jackson setting up firing squads. And before you whine about the Trail, keep in mind, the problem there was that the Trail was not long enough.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 08:56:12 AM »
So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.
  Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul.  Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?  I also don't think it is polite to call people morons, just my opinion.

Okay, they're not morons.  Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers.

  I can agree with that.  However I would say that some Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers. 

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2008, 09:22:36 AM »
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You didn't see the American flag in the picture?  Look closer next time.

No, I saw it, right next to a "communist" flag.  I would think that if one were wanting to be in charge of the United States, one would want to prove that they cared about the United States over all else.  He can wallpaper his walls with poop for all I care, but it doesn't make him look like he cares about the US FIRST.

 
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Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul.  Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?

But do Huckabee and Paul have Swastikas and rebel flags hanging proudly next to their US flags?  It's not about what his beliefs are, it's about how much he openly shows contempt for Americans by doing this.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2008, 09:36:11 AM »
Not all of Obama's supporters are communists.  I would say 12 to 15% are merely socialists. grin
I do not smoke pot, wear Wookie suits, live in my mom's basement, collect unemployment checks or eat Cheetoes, therefore I am not a Ron Paul voter.

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Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2008, 09:49:12 AM »
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You didn't see the American flag in the picture?  Look closer next time.

No, I saw it, right next to a "communist" flag.  I would think that if one were wanting to be in charge of the United States, one would want to prove that they cared about the United States over all else.  He can wallpaper his walls with poop for all I care, but it doesn't make him look like he cares about the US FIRST.

 
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Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul.  Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?

But do Huckabee and Paul have Swastikas and rebel flags hanging proudly next to their US flags?  It's not about what his beliefs are, it's about how much he openly shows contempt for Americans by doing this.
  True, but the US flag is not necessarily being disrespected.  The other flags are not higher than the US flag.  The communist flag is just a piece of cloth hangign on a pole.  I dont believe it is a flag of another nation so it is not necessarily a sign of disrespect.