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Clemens pressed by Congress,
« on: February 13, 2008, 11:58:26 AM »
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February 13, 2008

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HOWARD FENDRICH

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Under oath and sometimes blistering questioning, Roger Clemens stuck to his story Wednesday. So did his chief accuser and former personal trainer, Brian McNamee.

And after a 4 1/2 -hour hearing, Congress settled for a draw in the he-said, he-said between the two men over whether the seven-time Cy Young Award winner used performance-enhancing drugs. Ultimately, the matter may be referred to the Justice Department for a resolution -- and, possibly, criminal charges.

"I haven't reached any conclusions at this point," said California Democrat Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

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But, as ranking Republican Tom Davis of Virginia, put it: "Both can't be telling the truth."

Clemens and McNamee, once employer and employee, and by all accounts once friends, sat at the same witness table and rarely, if ever, looked at the other.

His reputation and legacy on the line, Clemens gestured toward McNamee with his right arm and said, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers about McNamee's allegations -- told to federal prosecutors and then baseball investigator George Mitchell -- that he injected the pitcher with steroids and human growth hormone from 1998 to 2001. Clemens also was asked about new accounts of drug use made against him by former teammate and pal Andy Pettitte.

Using words like "misremembered" and even mispronouncing McNamee's name at one point, Clemens raised his voice toward the end to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. Waxman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear nearly from the start that the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite all the face-to-face sit-downs he did with representatives in recent days -- sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

Later, the committee appeared split along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time. Chris Shays, a Connecticut Republican, likened the hearing to a "Roman Circus" featuring gladiators.

"I have never taken steroids or HGH," Clemens said after rising with McNamee to swear to tell the truth. "No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For many, his denials rang hollow.


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"It's hard to believe you, sir," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

McNamee's answers were generally quick and concise. His credibility also came under scrutiny.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," said Rep. Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican.

When it was over, Clemens left the hearing room through a back door. Just before exiting, he paused to shake hands with Davis. Clemens later spoke briefly to reporters, saying: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get -- and I know I will have -- the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

Exactly two months after the Mitchell Report was released, Clemens and McNamee were separated by one seat in the same wood-paneled room where Mark McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro saw their careers tarnished during a hearing in March 2005. In a reference to McGwire's evasions that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., admonished Wednesday's witnesses by saying: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Clemens briefly stared at McNamee, his former employee, during his accuser's opening statement, in which the trainer said he injected Clemens more times than he previously had said.

Members of Congress questioned the credibility of both.

Waxman -- who opened the proceedings by saying he thought this would be the last hearing his committee holds on baseball -- pointed out inconsistencies in Clemens' comments. Waxman also accused Clemens of possibly attempting to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Burton repeatedly read remarks McNamee had made, and each time the former trainer was forced to admit they were untrue.

"This is really disgusting. You're here as a sworn witness. You're here to tell the truth," he said. "I don't know what to believe. I know one thing I don't believe and that's you."

Cummings set the tone within minutes of the start, repeatedly reminding Clemens he was under oath and admonishing the pitcher to "keep your voice up." McNamee was asked to pull his microphone closer.

Debbie Clemens, the pitcher's wife, sat behind her husband and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Later, Clemens read a statement from his wife and said she "has been broken up over this."


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IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the federal prosecution team against Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Asked why he was there, Novitzky declined comment.

Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. Because of his denials under oath, Clemens could be subjected to a similar criminal probe. McNamee also could be referred to the Justice Department.

Pettitte, who was excused from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens admitted to him as long as 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and Pettitte's wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

McNamee told Mitchell that he injected Clemens 16 to 21 times with steroids and human growth hormone from 1998-01, and that Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch used HGH. In his opening statement, McNamee said he might have injected Clemens and Knoblauch more than that.

"I have helped taint our national pastime," McNamee said. "Make no mistake: When I told Sen. Mitchell that I injected Roger Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs, I told the truth."

Waxman said McNamee, a former New York City police officer, lied to police seven years ago during an investigation of a possible rape. He also was tough on Clemens.

"We have found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' account. During his deposition, he made statements that we know are untrue," Waxman said.

In the affidavit, Pettitte said Clemens backtracked when the subject of HGH came up again in conversation in 2005, before the same House committee held the first hearing on steroids in baseball.

Pettitte said in the affidavit that he asked Clemens in 2005 what he would do if asked about performance-enhancing substances. Pettitte said Clemens responded by saying Pettitte misunderstood the previous exchange in 1999 or 2000 and that, in fact, Clemens had been talking about HGH use by his wife in the original conversation.



i guess i've been sleeping,  what does steroid use have to do with the U.S. congress?

 
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 12:02:28 PM »
I have to agree with you. WTF business is it of theirs?
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 01:31:57 PM »
It's none of Congress' business, but it strokes Senators' egos.  They get to pick on famous talented people, make them squirm, make them come to heel. 

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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 01:52:24 PM »
I looked over the Constitution again. I don't see anything in there about drug use....
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 03:17:06 PM »
Baseball by government fiat, is immune from many laws that control business.  Ergo, they get to stick their noses into it.

Personally, I could care less if they all take drugs and enhancers.  Should they not have the same ability to "choose" what to do with their bodies as women who abort their children?  At the same time I am reminded of the biblical admonition that "...the love of money is the root of all evil."  I wonder how many athletes would abuse their bodies with steroids etc. if they were being paid $35.00 an hour  plus health insurance, dental, vision and a 401k to practice and play.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 05:15:02 PM »
More people will care about this than know who the major four candidates we've got running for president.

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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 06:00:51 PM »
Baseball by government fiat, is immune from many laws that control business.  Ergo, they get to stick their noses into it.

Personally, I could care less if they all take drugs and enhancers.  Should they not have the same ability to "choose" what to do with their bodies as women who abort their children? 

Excellent point grampster.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 01:45:13 AM »
Baseball by government fiat, is immune from many laws that control business.  Ergo, they get to stick their noses into it.

Personally, I could care less if they all take drugs and enhancers.  Should they not have the same ability to "choose" what to do with their bodies as women who abort their children?  At the same time I am reminded of the biblical admonition that "...the love of money is the root of all evil."  I wonder how many athletes would abuse their bodies with steroids etc. if they were being paid $35.00 an hour  plus health insurance, dental, vision and a 401k to practice and play.

i agree that personal liberties should afford me the right to put whatever substance i choose into my own self ,assuming i do not harm others while doing so (of course this argument could be its own case against steroids with the "rage" issues). however, it still seems to be "cheating" in its own form. but then why would using a modern medical advancement be considered cheating? thats almost like saying my kids shouldn't get their shots, or my dads prostate shouldn't have been removed, as it's cheating.

back to the original issue, wasn't it congress who allowed the anti trust laws to be set aside for baseball, and football. this allowed the national and american leages to form a monopoly. but it would seem the only interest they should then have is whether the american public is being ripped off by the $85 cheap seats (which used to be under $10 dollars at one time). i wonder if any congress members get vip seats for life?
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 09:28:45 AM »
News reporters and Congresscritters get their knickers twisted over allegations that baseball players used steroids or HGH years ago . . . and yet none of these people care that the Democratic party's current front runner for the office of President used marijuana and cocain . . .

And HE isn't playing a silly game for grown men, he wants a job where he'll be walking around with nuke launch codes in his pocket.

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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 09:51:12 AM »
News reporters and Congresscritters get their knickers twisted over allegations that baseball players used steroids or HGH years ago . . . and yet none of these people care that the Democratic party's current front runner for the office of President used marijuana and cocain . . .

And HE isn't playing a silly game for grown men, he wants a job where he'll be walking around with nuke launch codes in his pocket.

What's wrong with this picture?  rolleyes

do you believe that he is the only one who has used illegal drugs, out of all our public "servants", or the only one honest enough to come forward and admit it? do you believe that the average american would vote for a drug "abuser" if they hadn't experimented in their past. to go even farther, i believe that his popularity may be because "the people" may want to believe that he will help reverse the unconstitutional drug laws, because of his past.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 01:13:01 PM »
. . . do you believe that he is the only one who has used illegal drugs, out of all our public "servants", or the only one honest enough to come forward and admit it? . . .
Bill Clinton says he didn't inhale when he tried marijuana, and his brother Roger claimed he ". . . had a nose like a vacuum cleaner . . . "

And there have always been jokes about "joint sessions" of Congress. It would not surprise me at all to learn a lot of congresscritters had done drugs in the past . . . and more than a few probably still are.

Personally, I don't care if an adult smokes, snorts, drinks, or shoots up, so long as he doesn't endanger anyone else in the process or shirk his legitimate responsibilities . . . AND so long as the taxpayers are under NO obligation whatsoever to dry him out or treat him for an OD. The drunkard's or doper's bad decisions are NOT someone else's responsibility!

BUT . . . I will not choose to follow such a person as my leader, and don't want them in a position where others lives are at risk . . . so jobs like airline pilot, heart surgeon, and president should not be held by dopers.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 05:21:19 PM »
. . . do you believe that he is the only one who has used illegal drugs, out of all our public "servants", or the only one honest enough to come forward and admit it? . . .
Bill Clinton says he didn't inhale when he tried marijuana, and his brother Roger claimed he ". . . had a nose like a vacuum cleaner . . . "

And there have always been jokes about "joint sessions" of Congress. It would not surprise me at all to learn a lot of congresscritters had done drugs in the past . . . and more than a few probably still are.

Personally, I don't care if an adult smokes, snorts, drinks, or shoots up, so long as he doesn't endanger anyone else in the process or shirk his legitimate responsibilities . . . AND so long as the taxpayers are under NO obligation whatsoever to dry him out or treat him for an OD. The drunkard's or doper's bad decisions are NOT someone else's responsibility!

BUT . . . I will not choose to follow such a person as my leader, and don't want them in a position where others lives are at risk . . . so jobs like airline pilot, heart surgeon, and president should not be held by dopers.

evidently, a number of americans believe otherwise.
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2008, 04:31:24 AM »
evidently, a number of americans believe otherwise.
Sad but true . . . which may be why we're starting to resemble the society lampooned in the movie Idiocracy.  sad
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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2008, 07:07:26 AM »
Hypocrisy.  How many congressmen use tobacco, alcohol, caffeine?  How many use Viagra?  That's a performance enhancing drug, is it not?

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Re: Clemens pressed by Congress,
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 12:27:10 PM »
..evidently a number of Americans believe a lot of ignorant things.  Doesn't make them right to me.  Cheesy
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