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Ya know whats really sad....
« on: February 16, 2008, 05:45:09 AM »
Is that we have quite possibly the 2 most unelectable Dems in history running, and the Republicans can't conjure up ONE stinkin conservative, articulate candidate.  Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson would've absolutely WAILED on either of those socialists in the General Election, and we're stuck with McCain...

I'm just disgusted this morning.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 06:14:03 AM »
I can't tell the Republicrats from the Democans even with a score card.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2008, 06:27:07 AM »
Thompson just didn't want it.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 07:18:29 AM »
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the Republicans can't conjure up ONE stinkin conservative, articulate candidate.

You had your chance, and you blew it.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2008, 07:32:23 AM »
Interesting how jus about every Republican candidate who bowed out put his support behind McCain, isn't it?........  undecided

The fix may have been in from the beginning......
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 08:49:41 AM »
No fix.

It is a mixture of viability-salvaging for when today's loser is 2012's candidate, again.

Also, there just might be a small bit of sincerity in their endorsement.  It can happen.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 09:30:24 AM »
Thompson just didn't want it.

(In before passive-aggressive paulistinians!)

just barely  rolleyes

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You had your chance, and you blew it.

Didn't your guy get elected "President of teh Itarwebz" or something like that??

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2008, 09:55:42 AM »
If the Republicans in the various states wouldn't even vote for those guys in the primaries, what makes you think anyone would vote for them as candidates for the presidency?
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2008, 10:04:27 AM »
If the Republicans in the various states wouldn't even vote for those guys in the primaries, what makes you think anyone would vote for them as candidates for the presidency?

The general sentiment that I see is even a lot Republicans are growing weary of the status quo in the party. Thompson or Hunter would have been buried. They would have had no chance in the general election. Only a moderate Republican could possibly be electable, and if Obama gets the nomination, McCain doesn't stand a chance.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2008, 10:08:43 AM »
Interesting how jus about every Republican candidate who bowed out put his support behind McCain, isn't it?........  undecided

The fix may have been in from the beginning......
They are republicans. They support the party's nominee. What is so difficult about that for you to understand? Thats the way the 2-party system works.

I can guarantee that whining about it on the Internet will change nothing, nor will sitting out the election, or voting for Mickey Mouse or anyone else who has a negligible chance of winning.

If you do not like the direction the republican party has gone, you have the opportunity to change it from the inside out. But that takes actual work, and Internet whiners are too damn lazy to do that.

RR was clearly the choice of the base of the party in 1976, but the party big wigs selected Ford instead, partly because he was an incumbent, and partly because they thought he was more electable. They may have been right about the electable part. RR than spent the next four years working hard for Republicans across the country and getting his message out. Remember what happened in 1980?

if Romney or Thompson really wants it bad enough, they could take it in 2012. If Obama or Hillary gets it, the end result will be about like Carter, and America will be glad to get rid of either and send them off to whatever retired presidents do.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2008, 10:45:55 AM »

Also, there just might be a small bit of sincerity in their endorsement.  It can happen.




Sorry....what were you saying?.....
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2008, 12:43:23 PM »
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Thompson just didn't want it.

I don't see it that way.  I think he truly thought that sincerety, a no-nonsense approach, and a solid record had a chance.  Unfortunately, that tactic works in our media-driven society about as well as a turd in a punchbowl.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2008, 02:28:52 PM »
Is that we have quite possibly the 2 most unelectable Dems in history running, and the Republicans can't conjure up ONE stinkin conservative, articulate candidate.  Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson would've absolutely WAILED on either of those socialists in the General Election, and we're stuck with McCain...

I'm just disgusted this morning.
  I would look at the total amount of votes in the primaries.  On average, more Democrats came out to vote in their primaries than Republicans, and independents showed up as well.  The country does not want another Neo-Con like these guys.  The whole big government, raise taxes, bomb everything, military industrial complex, and bilk the taxpayers out of millions to line our own contracts thing seems to be ending.  I think the people are taking a major turn for the democratic version because it promises them healthcare and less war.

Either way the only real conservative is Ron Paul.  The rest are just bags'oshit pretending to be conservatives.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2008, 02:52:04 PM »
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Didn't your guy get elected "President of teh Itarwebz" or something like that??

I'm not feelin' sorry for you.  You painted yourself in a corner.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2008, 03:55:50 PM »
How are either of these candidates the "most unelectable" in history? Obama is drawing fantastic numbers from independents and people who may not have voted for another candidate. From everything I can tell, he's 'more electable' than any Democrat in my lifetime, including Bill Clinton (who, obviously, won and remains immensely popular).

No matter how hard some try to paint him as a fringe candidate, the people don't seem to be buying it.

And Hillary - a woman with a huge amount of name recognition, tied into the above immensely popular former President, a legislative record that's difficult to attack because it was crafted to be all things to all people. I don't like her, and I think her negatives would make the race more competitive - but she's hardly less electable than Walter bleepin' Mondale or John Kerry.

The idea that Hunter and Thompson - a no-name and a sleepy grandpa - would wipe the floor with either of them requires serious ideological blinders. These guys didn't even have enough juice to win the nomination, much less run the table in the general. The country's mood is not amenable to party-line conservatives. Anti-immigrant rhetoric loses as many votes as it gains, and Thompson was basically a continuation of the Bush regime. Which is, I believe, still polling in the low-to-mid 30s.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2008, 03:58:27 PM »
McCain's biggest weakness is the approach he took to winning the nomination - sacrificing his independence from the Bush Administration. McCain as he appeared in 2000 would mop the floor with almost any Democrat. Far fewer Democrats are going to cross over for him as they would have then, and Obama does very well with independent voters.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2008, 04:38:18 PM »
If the Republicans in the various states wouldn't even vote for those guys in the primaries, what makes you think anyone would vote for them as candidates for the presidency?
I think it's safe to say that a majority of the voting population will rally behind their party of choice regardless of who's nominated.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2008, 05:54:45 PM »
I think it's safe to say that the only thing that it's safe to say is that it's not safe to assume anything anymore.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2008, 08:05:04 PM »
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The country does not want another Neo-Con like these guys.  The whole big government, raise taxes, bomb everything, military industrial complex, and bilk the taxpayers out of millions to line our own contracts thing seems to be ending.


Still ignoring your non-logic, just a little FYI. 

I think it's safe to say that the only thing that it's safe to say is that it's not safe to assume anything anymore.

gotta be the truest post in this thread yet.

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2008, 02:58:31 AM »
I think it's safe to say that the only thing that it's safe to say is that it's not safe to assume anything anymore.

I assume you're right.....
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 04:37:54 PM »
Obama is electable. Hillary, not so much: even liberals either love her or hate her. She'd seriously polarize the election...

If Obama gets the nod, he might very well beat Mc Cain. Should Clinton get the nod, I'm thinking that Mc Cain could walk away with the win...

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2008, 03:58:35 AM »
The reason a black man like B. Hussein Obama is so popular among Dem primary voters is that he's not a Clinton.

In the general election, face it, a lot of people will not vote for a black man simply because he's, well, black.

Which is a stupid reason to not vote for someone . . . does anyone doubt that someone like Walter Williams would make a better President than any of the current front-runners, including lily-white Hillary and John?

IF McCain can deal with ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC simply acting as the propaganda arms of the DNC and get out the message about where Obama stands on a lot of issues, Obama is toast.

That's a mighty big "IF" . . . especially since McCain isn't so hot himself.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2008, 05:40:27 AM »
Let's see where this "giving someone else's speech" thing goes. That seriously blew up in his face.

Made me smile, too. Wow, Obama is not only about empty rhetoric, but someone else's rhetoric?


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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2008, 10:15:27 AM »
I laughed out loud when I returned to TV Land and learned what the media were flapping on about: supposed "plagiarism" for repeating a catchy phrase or two that somebody else had used first. Gimme a break...

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2008, 10:16:28 AM »
I laughed out loud when I returned to TV Land and learned what the media were flapping on about: supposed "plagiarism" for repeating a catchy phrase or two that somebody else had used first. Gimme a break...

TC

For someone who keeps claiming that words are more important than actually defining policy stances, yes, it's an issue.

Anything that derails the guy is fine with me.