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MechAg94

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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 11:46:34 AM »
Considering the way things usually work, it is way, way, way, way too early to start planning someones acceptance speech. 

Didn't many thing Carter would win his 2nd term?  Kerry was looking like a runaway win in the Spring before the election. 


I have heard people comment that Obama is great with prepared speeches, but not as good with debates or off the cuff talks.  I haven't heard him speak enough myself, but there will likely be a couple of debates with McCain he has to get through.

Just a note also, Clinton was a very popular President (with Democrats), but he barely got a majority of the vote in his 2nd race and was far short of it in the first.  What the media things is popular is not always what the voters think.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2008, 03:39:01 AM »
. . . Clinton was a very popular President (with Democrats), but he barely got a majority of the vote in his 2nd race . . .
He did not. In his re-election bid, Clinton received 49.2% of the popular vote, Dole 40.7%,  and Perot got 8.4%.

So Clinton was re-elected with a plurality, not a majority.
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Re: Ya know whats really sad....
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2008, 05:24:47 PM »


               
N.Y.TIMES  LIES:

Published on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 by TruthDig.com
What the Times Didnt Tell About McCain
by Robert Scheer


As Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain twisted briefly in the wind kicked up by that New York Times story suggesting he had swapped political favors for the personal favors of an attractive lobbyist for the telecommunications industry, I kept waiting for the public policy punch line. Surely the Times would spell out just what it was that McCain had delivered to big media beyond what the paper originally reported: an all-too-typical congressional request that the FCC speed up its review of a broadcast licensing dispute.

Vicki Iseman, the lobbyist in question, is praised on her companys Web site for her extensive experience in telecommunications, representing corporations before the House and Senate Commerce Committees, and for her work on the landmark 1992 and 1996 communications bills. Now thats a biggie, because the 1996 legislation, although you would never have learned this from the mainstream media at the time, opened the floodgates for massive media consolidation, thus rewarding media moguls for their many millions in campaign contributions. McCain was a big player on that Commerce Committee at the time, and I expected a Times revelation as to just how Iseman got McCain to help gift the media barons with their dream legislation.

The revelation never came, because the annoying reality is that McCain was one of the rare Senate opponents of the telecom bill that Iseman was pushing-as opposed to The New York Times, which like every other major media outlet pushed for the legislation (in the case of the Times, without ever conceding its own corporations financial bias in the matter). McCain was one of five senators (and the sole Republican) who, along with Democrats Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Paul Simon and the great Paul Wellstone, voted against the atrocious legislation, which President Bill Clinton signed into law.
The Times, which now has the temerity to question McCains integrity on telecommunications policy, ran a shameful editorial back then, under the headline A Victory for Viewers, insisting after the passage of the legislation that there was one clear winner-the consumer. Seven years later, the papers Editorial Observer, Brent Staples, bemoaned one direct consequence of the passage of the Telecom Act, under the title The Trouble with Corporate Radio: The Day the Protest Music Died. Noting that corporate ownership has changed what gets played-and who plays it, Staples observed that the top two radio owners went from having a total of 115 stations before the act was passed to 1,400 between them afterward.

This concentration of ownership in all media was the inevitable result of the legislation that the media moguls sought. That far-reaching impact was obvious only one year after the acts passage, as Neil Hickey noted at the time in the Columbia Journalism Review:  & far and away the splashiest effect of the new law during the last year has been the historic, unprecedented torrent of mergers, consolidations, buyouts, partnerships, and joint ventures that has changed the face of Big Media in America. He then offers a staggering list of massive multibillion-dollar mergers consummated during that first year.

One of the early winners was Rupert Murdochs News Corp., which quickly became the biggest owner of television stations, bolstering its lineup of media properties such as TV Guide, HarperCollins and Twentieth Century Fox; quite a gift from legislation signed by President Clinton, which perhaps explains the warm relationship that subsequently developed between Murdoch and Hillary Clinton. Murdoch sponsored a fundraiser for Clintons senatorial re-election campaign in 2006, but when asked during the Iowa primary about Murdochs vast media holdings, including Fox News, the New York Post and The Wall Street Journal, Clinton ducked the question. Avoiding any reference to Murdoch, she conceded that & there have been a lot of media consolidations in the last several years, and it is quite troubling.

Its not easy to maintain an evenhanded appraisal of McCain as he appropriates the Bush mantle. Of course, I wouldnt vote for him; he is willing to let the Iraq war go on for a hundred years, and at the rate of at least $200 billion a year, that makes a mockery of his efforts to defeat earmarks and other wasteful government spending-beginning with the massive waste in the Pentagon budget that he has done so much to expose. His capitulation on President Bushs use of torture is even more appalling. But it is absurd to attempt to pigeonhole McCain as a patsy for corporate lobbyists when he has been in the forefront of key efforts to challenge their power.
Robert Scheer is editor of Truthdig.com and a regular columnist for The San Francisco Chronicle.



MORE  McCain  FACTS:

A lot of law enforcement officers will  sit out election day if McCain is the GOP presidential candidate.

United States Border Patrol agents are not happy with Senator John McCain (R-AZ) since he voted for the Amnesty Bill (S. 2611). And theyre not being quiet about their collective anger over the senators actions and remarks.

According to members of the agents union Local 2544, Senator McCain has never been a friend to rank-and-file Border Patrol agents. Local 2544 represents US Border Patrol agents in Arizona, McCains home state.

He routinely ignores correspondence from Border Patrol agents and often gives the impression that he is just too big and too important to deal with us, they said.
He attempts to undermine our mission at every turn and actively supports the criminals who violate our laws. He always tries to downplay the fact that illegal aliens knowingly and willingly violate our laws, and he is a close ally on immigration matters with Senator Ted Kennedy, who we believe is the biggest disgrace of all time in the United States Senate.

These law enforcement agents point to Senator McCains imperious attitude towards rank-and-file Border Patrol agents and his complete disdain for their mission has been evident for many years.



Obama's  LIES:


1. Special interests: In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support


2. Public financing: Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.


3. The Cuba embargo: In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."


4. Illegal immigration: In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."


5. Decriminalization of marijuana: While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

Obama's  WORSE  LIE:

How  many  times  have  you  heard  Obama  say  he  doesn't  take  money  from  lobbyist/corporations/special  interest?

But  What  Are  The  Facts?

Follow  the  money:


Who bought off your candidate?


Barack  Obama:  Deutsche  Bank,  JP  Morgan,  Merrill  Lynch,  Capital  One,  Bank  of  Montreal,  Wells  Fargo,  Goldman  Sachs,  Butterfield  Bank,  Resource  Bank,  Bain  Capital,  Mutual  of  America,  Telemundo,  La  Pietra,  Sankatt  Investments,  Transamerica  Investment  Mgmt.,  US  Venture  Partners,  Sony  Pictures,  Warner  Music  Group,  IBM,  Lehman  Bros.,  AT&T,  Ticketmaster,  Alantos  Pharmaceuticals,  20th  Century  Fox,  Aragon  Global,  UCLA  Medical  Center,  AHMC  Healthcare  Inc.,  AV  International,  Fidelity  Ventures,  Clifford  Law  Firm,  CCMP  Capital,  Cypruss  Funds  Investment  Mgmt.,  Kaman  Group,  Solimar  Ventures,  Comcast,  Sterne  Assets,  Citilink  Investment  Corp.,  Third  Security,  COSTCO,  Sun  Capitol  Partners,  Tudor  Investment,  Madison  Investment,  EMC  Capital  Mgmt.,  Bel  Air  Investment,  Mirel  Capital,  Grandhara  Capital,  Lehman  Bros.,  GB  Capital,  Citadel  Investments,  etc.


John McCain: PVS  Chemical,  Merrill  Lynch,  The  Bank  of  NY,  Univision,  JP  Morgan  Chase,  Near  East  Resources  Ltd.,  Compass  Bank,  World  Savings  Bank,  New  York  Life  Insurance,  Sanguine  Gas  Exploration,  CISCO  Systems,  Wachovia  Bank,  Morgan  Stanley,  Bank  of  America,  Citigroup,  Goldman  Sachs,  Moore  Capital,  The  Carlyle  Group,  Prime  Investments,  Tenax  LLC,  Hantz  Group,  Hilton  Hotels,  The  AES  Corp.,  Highside  Capital,  New  Mountain  Capital,  Vector  Group  LTD,  Park  Avenue  Equity  Partners,  Red  Eagle  Venture,  Star  Lincoln  Mercury,  Pacific  Growth  Equities,  Budweiser,  Myers  Financial,  Globus  Capital,  Pomeroy  &  Pomeroy  Insurance,  Faison  Group,  Renco  Group,  Palmer  Investments,  QWEST,  EM  Capital  Mgmt.,  FT  Ventures,  MGM  Mirage  International,  Ameron  International,  Anderson  Energy  Corp.,  Plaines  Capital  Bank,  NYSE  Group,  etc.


Hillary Clinton:  JP  Morgan,  Citigroup,  UBS  Investment  Bank,  Goldman  Sachs,  Ameriprise  Financial,  Deutsche  Bank,  Wells  Fargo,  China  Industrial,  Wachovia  Securities,  HBO,  The  Husseini  Group,  Bank  of  NY,  Verizon,  Viking  Global  Investments,  Trilogy  Capital,  Oaktree Capital,  Farrallon  Capital,  Lanwilo  Investments,  Cimarron  Group,  Pharmcare,  Entrust  Capital,  Morgan  Stanley,  KFC,  Cantor  Fitzgerald  Securities,  Charter  Communications,  Lilby  Stearns,  Nihigret  Group,  Black  Saut  Holding  Co.,  Mahmood  investment,  America  India  Foundation,  Candela  Group,  Hellman  &  Friedman  LLC,  US  Russia  Business  Council,  SBD  LLC,  Braddock  Financial,  Bank  of  SF,  Comcast,  Sitason  International  Inc.,  Cataldo  Group,  Van  Brunt  Dubiago  &  Co.,  Abrahms  Capital,  Bear  Sterns  &  Co.,  Oracle,  Scoggin  Capital,  Sana  Security,  etc.


As  of  12/07  for  a  complete  &  current  list  of  donations/candidates  click:
www.opensecrets.org  complete  list  of  all  FEC  (Federal  Election  Commission)  reports  from  each  candidate.

Politicians  want  you  to  believe  that  their  donations  come  from  the  public  in  small  amounts  but  the  truth  is:   "Even now, only about 2 percent of the public is giving to politicians."

The  truth  is:  "politicians  will  say  anything  to  get  elected."

VOTING  out  one  party  &  replacing  them  with  the  other  party  has  not  worked  in  the  Congress  or  the  Senate.  Democrats  promising  to  clean  up  pork  &  earmarks  were  elected  &  yet  last  years  (2007),  spending  bills  contained  11,900  pork  barrel  projects.  At  a  cost  to  tax-payers  of  over  $20  billion.  Now  were  being  asked  to  choose  between  a  Republican/Democrat  as  our  next  president.

With  politicians  like  these  who  needs  enemies???


Candidates  are  raising  large  sums  of  money  each  election.  Obama raised $36 million in January. Clinton aides said she raised $35 million in February, and estimates for Obama place his haul for the month at more than $50 million. McCain, who raised about $12 million in January, is on a similar pace for February, according to his campaign.  Corporations making campaign contributions  get  to set  our  Energy  policy,  our  Immigration  policy,  our  Trade  policies (or as they like to call it- greater access to our politicians.).  Why else has  there  been  no  effort  to  secure  our  borders  or  lower  our  dependence  on  foreign  oil  since  9/11?
Democrats  &  Republicans  are  guilty  of  putting  this  nation  at  risk.  And  for  what?  Cheap  foreign  labor.  Sen.  John  McCains  Comprehensive  Immigration  Reform  bill  was  wrote  by  corporate  lobbyist  to  subvert  the  Constitution  &  make  legal  what  is  now  illegal.  At  a  cost  to  this  nations  security.  Crooks  like  these  (Sen.s  Barack  Obama  &  Hillary  Clinton  both  signed  &  still  support  this  bill  as  well  as  the  Z-Visa)  should  be  ran  out  of  town.  Instead  their  running  for  president.


Both  parties  are  promising  change.  We  hear  it  every  4  years.  But  the  truth  is  they  have  almost  the  same  financial  backers  &  theres  lobbyist  bribing  whichever  party  takes  office  (there's  35,000  lobbyist  in  Washington).

We  need  REAL  CHANGE!  The  kind  of  change  that  can  only  come  from  new  parties  &  publicly  funded  elections.  Because  as  long  as  Big  Oil  can  write  our  Energy  policy,  well  always  be  dependent  on  foreign  oil.  As  long  as  China  can  manipulate  our  Trade  policies  well  always  have  record  Trade  deficits.   There  is  a  reason  why  nothing  gets  fixed  in  Washington.
   
REAL  CHANGE  doesn't  come  from  the  ballot  box,  change  isn't  a  campaign  slogan.  Wether  there  is  a  Republican  or  Democrat  in  office  when  you  look  out  your  window  what  do  you  see?  I  see  graffiti,  crime,  homelessness.  I  see  broken  families  coming  from  broken  homes  living  in  broken  communities.  With  broken  borders  &  broken  government... 
 
You  are  invited  to  a  frank  discussion  at:
         
http://www.votestrike.com   this  site  was  created  for  you,  the  voters,  because  whichever  party  you  belong  to-  they  have  failed  you.



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                                  their failure to perform their jobs does to masses
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SIMPLE  TRUTHS:

1.  Everyone  agrees:  Government  is  broke


2.  Why  is  government  broke?
Because  our  government  is  no  longer  run  by  civil  servants  (beholden  to  the  people)  but  by  corporate  lobbyists  (beholden  to  corporations).  There are  35,000  lobbyists  in  Washington.


3.  Who  can    fix  this?
Voting  out  one  party  &  replacing  them  with  the  other  party  no  longer  works-  corporations/lobbyist  have  bought  off  all  of  our  presidential  wannabe's.

4.  Then  how  do  we  fix  this?
When  your  car  breaks  down  you  get  out  &  fix  it.  When  government  no  longer  works  (breaks  down)  it  is  the  duty  of  the  citizens  to  fix  it.


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