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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2008, 05:46:33 AM »
Hopefully we can screw the GOP out of an election, unless they steal it with voter fraud like in 2000.  rolleyes



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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2008, 08:59:04 AM »
but if paul ran wouldn't that tarnish his integrity halo?  after he said he wouldn't run as an independant he can't go back on his word like a politician. thinlk of all the cult members commioting seppuku by throwing them selves into their computer screens.  the carnage is unimaginable. the college campus coffe shops would be deserted
  Not as bad as McCain and his lies about the USS Liberty.  I am sure the McDonalds would be deserted as well. 

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2008, 09:00:21 AM »
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you really imagine obama beating mccain?
Pretty sure national polls show that happening. There are Republicans who have a lot of loathing for McCain. It's a definite possibility that they won't vote at all. The Democrats will vote Democrat, and the Obama love ought to get good turnout on their side.
If Obama wins, it'll be because Republicans stay home and say "to hell with it."

I am encouraging everyone I know not to vote for McCain as he is a traitor and a liar.

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2008, 09:02:42 AM »
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Can you post the source?  Its hard to evaluate the validity of what you are saying without telling us where you got it from.

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2008, 09:12:09 AM »
I don't think you can point to '04 as proof that the Dems "didn't learn the lesson about running lackluster candidates with poor campaign skills". Personally, I really think '04 was a throw-away, with the intention of running Hillary this go-round. Obama, I'm kinda thinking, was an unseen possibility.

 It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if Hillary destroyed the Democrats on her way out after loosing the nomination (not saying it WILL happen, but rather that it MIGHT VERY WELL happen)...

The only thing a Hillary implosion would do at this point is galvanize Obama's support. People may prefer Hillary over Obama at this point - Lord knows why - but if she were to throw a tantrum that would simply solidify Obama's position.

And what if her people dig up the dealer Obama bought his nose candy from when he was younger?
  He will be busy selling nose candy to Bush...

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2008, 01:46:22 PM »
what lie did mccain tell regarding the liberty?  and pray tell what undergrad court of paulistas convicted him of treason?
the pathos of children posting from fort  sofa calling him a traitor is quite amusing. heck most of em too nadless to even go peacecorps  or i might be too harsh  might not be a nad issue  could just be a manifestation of total self absorption

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2008, 02:28:35 PM »
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what lie did mccain tell regarding the liberty?


It's some nonsense he got from LAK or some-such.  It will never be brought up by the Obama campaign. 
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« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2008, 02:44:54 PM »
oh  i read that drivel. kinda scary   i try to remember if i was like that at that age. i asked the old man he said no. by that age i had been supporting myself for 5 years was married  washes the foolish away

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2008, 09:30:19 PM »
There is plenty to destroy McCain on.

His "Gook" comment.

The Keating Five.

McCain-Feingold

His support for a war that a majority of Americans don't support.

His beach boys parody - "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"


Yeah, this guy is golden. I can see a Democratic administration in our future, especially if this is the only thing the GOP can puke up. We need to hurry up and start this country over again.
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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2008, 10:04:34 PM »
Why on earth would anyone want to vote for Ralph N.A.U. Nader? When they can get the same end result from John U.N. McCain or Hillary?

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2008, 09:06:28 AM »
what lie did mccain tell regarding the liberty?  and pray tell what undergrad court of paulistas convicted him of treason?
the pathos of children posting from fort  sofa calling him a traitor is quite amusing. heck most of em too nadless to even go peacecorps  or i might be too harsh  might not be a nad issue  could just be a manifestation of total self absorption
  What no-degree court of McDonalds working GOP members found him innocent?

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2008, 09:08:38 AM »
There is plenty to destroy McCain on.

His "Gook" comment.

The Keating Five.

McCain-Feingold

His support for a war that a majority of Americans don't support.

His beach boys parody - "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"


Yeah, this guy is golden. I can see a Democratic administration in our future, especially if this is the only thing the GOP can puke up. We need to hurry up and start this country over again.
  Well that is hopefully enough, in the end though we as US citizens should try to make the world more aware of his racist ways.  Not to mention his hatred of our country and its values. 

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2008, 11:44:05 AM »
oh  i read that drivel. kinda scary   i try to remember if i was like that at that age. i asked the old man he said no. by that age i had been supporting myself for 5 years was married  washes the foolish away

Yeah, supporting one's self & kids are helpful in that regard.

A stint in the military is also of use when cleaning the feces from one's ears.

Self-support, kids, & military service all help one realize that the world does not revolve around one's self.

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I find a lot to tear into McCain for, but using "gook" is not one of them.  He earned the right to call his captors any damn thing he wants to.

Same goes for WW2 vets: I care not a whit if the terms, "kraut" or "jap" pass their lips.

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The idea of college twits passing judgment on McCain as a traitor would be hilarious were the judges not so pathetic.
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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2008, 02:36:37 PM »
oh  i read that drivel. kinda scary   i try to remember if i was like that at that age. i asked the old man he said no. by that age i had been supporting myself for 5 years was married  washes the foolish away

Yeah, supporting one's self & kids are helpful in that regard.

A stint in the military is also of use when cleaning the feces from one's ears.

Self-support, kids, & military service all help one realize that the world does not revolve around one's self.

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I find a lot to tear into McCain for, but using "gook" is not one of them.  He earned the right to call his captors any damn thing he wants to.

Same goes for WW2 vets: I care not a whit if the terms, "kraut" or "jap" pass their lips.

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The idea of college twits passing judgment on McCain as a traitor would be hilarious were the judges not so pathetic.
  Lets say one of his captors was black, would it be ok to call them niggers?  How does this make Asians feel in general?  Is it ok to use a term that is offensive to the entirety of their race because of the actions of a few?

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2008, 02:43:45 PM »
Huh?  You're trying to argue that McCain isn't a war hero because he called his captors "gooks"?

You can't possibly be serious...

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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2008, 02:46:59 PM »
he is serious.  more the pity and shame

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2008, 03:04:04 PM »
Huh?  You're trying to argue that McCain isn't a war hero because he called his captors "gooks"?

You can't possibly be serious...
  I am not saying he is not a hero.  I just dont think racist language is appropriate on behalf of a presidential candidate.

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2008, 03:13:11 PM »
Huh?  You're trying to argue that McCain isn't a war hero because he called his captors "gooks"?

He is not a war hero because he is not a war hero. Not because he called people Gooks.
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« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2008, 03:17:20 PM »
sigh.... you remind me of a kid that works for me.  he gets his panties knotted over my vocabulary chioces.  hes a philosophy major. hes driven to show how open liberal and diverse he is. of course he chose arguably the whitest school in america. and has never lived on the same block withanyone nonwhite, till he lived at myhouse. and he fails the cell phone address book test. i've often found in my experience those white folks who squeak the loudest about others racisim are hiding something. in my experience it parrallels the gay bashers who have some unresoved issues vis a vis their own sexual identity and want to throw up a front

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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2008, 08:23:25 AM »
Huh?  You're trying to argue that McCain isn't a war hero because he called his captors "gooks"?

You can't possibly be serious...
  I am not saying he is not a hero.  I just dont think racist language is appropriate on behalf of a presidential candidate.

You know what?

Anyone who fought in WWII probably referred to "Nips" and "Krauts".

Just like anyone who fought in Vietnam probably said "Gooks".

When you fight an enemy, when they're trying to kill your friends every day, you might come up with uncomplimentary slang for them. And in all those cases, you'll notice, they tend to be one-syllable words, the sort that could be yelled in warning of an approaching enemy during a fight.

Not that I'd expect you to know anything about that.


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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2008, 09:08:58 AM »
and, in such cases, the usage is almost entirely contextual, not general.  Don't hear a lot of "nips and krauts" out of WWII vets unless they are reminiscing.

Don't think I've heard "gook" used outside of a vet's "remember when" story in 20 years.
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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2008, 09:10:22 AM »
and, in such cases, the usage is almost entirely contextual, not general.  Don't hear a lot of "nips and krauts" out of WWII vets unless they are reminiscing.

Don't think I've heard "gook" used outside of a vet's "remember when" story in 20 years.

Unless they were held prisoner by and tortured by, etc...

I can see a little resentment over that. I don't agree with a lot of the guy's stances, but I am not going to fault him for some resentment against his former torturers.

I'd only care if it affected his current foreign policy decisions, or if he showed indication that he was "still there" mentally, and unfit for office.


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Re: YES! Nader might run again, spoil Dem vote!
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2008, 09:42:25 AM »
Anybody who thinks Nader will have any effect on the Dem vote or the outcome of this election is delusional.