New analogy, or, the only hope of the Republicans......

[Balog]

So I've been thinking a lot about John McCain. And I must admit the "You have no choice but to vote 'pubbie. Do you want Hillary/Nobama?!?!?!" argument is tempting. After all, who'd want one of those hard-line marxists in office? Even if McCain seems to be unable to get it up without pounding down a couple Viagra and "crossing the aisle" with Ted "Chappaquidick" Kennedy, it's gotta be better to have an R in office, right?

I've come to think this isn't the case. In fact, if you really are interested in having not only R's but conservative R's in charge of the House and Senate as well as PotUS, McCain getting in office is the absolute worst thing that can happen. How can I make such an outrageous claim? Two words; global warming.

McCain has drunk well and truly of Algore's Kool Aid (now in minty melted ice cap flavor!) and he's bound and determined to do something about it. And it's not making more nuke plants, sadly.

The onerous regulations he'd push through would cripple manufacturing, drive gas prices sky high, rape the American auto industry (like they aren't screwed enough as it is), and increase energy costs tremendously. After all, who'll stop him?

He just loves working with D's, and not many R's have the balls to defy the party. And believe me, he's vindictive enough to hurt anyone who stands up to him badly enough our fearless R leadership will take out a huge contract with KY to help out when McDaddy bends em over.

When gas is over $5 a gal everywhere and your home energy bill is more than your mortgage payment, whoever is in office at the time will be ran outta town on a rail. And everyone in his party will be too; guilt by association and all. Remeber when the R's took Congress back under Klinton? Same deal, but this'll be much, much worse.

Add in his love of amnesty, gun control, etc and he's the worst thing that could happen to the Republican party.

But either Nobama or the Hildabeast will be a one term wonder; the peanut farmer would leave a better legacy (Jimmy Carter for Tec and others who's knowledge of politics extends to "Bush is a Nazi" *blargh* *foam* etc). About 2 years into their reign of terror people will go "Oh *expletive deleted*it, where's all my money going?" and give conservatives a perfect platform to strike back.

[Balog]

Ok, damn library computers and their time limits.

So what's the analogy?

McCain is like an adjustable rate mortgage. You get suckered in by the low monthly payments (No new taxes!Just like the 1st Bush Strong on defense!) then screwed royally when it resets because you didn't read the fine print (global warming, gun show loophole, CFR, amnesty).

[grampster]

I'm seriously thinking about not voting because I don't think I want it on my conscience. 

[Bigjake]

I know what you're saying man, and it's sad.  I'm in the same place.  I'm just having a hard time trying to decide whether I hate the Clintons or Barak's wife enough to vote for that turd.

I do like the thought of a few more years to stock up on guns, given that my finances don't permit me getting the rest of the stuff I NEED before the looming HB 1022.... thats the only positive I can think of for McCain.

[grampster]

That and federal judges.

[Bigjake]

darned if we don't damned if we do it seems.

[HankB]

I've seen this referred to as the Castor Oil Election . . . it's going to taste bad no matter how it comes out. 

[Manedwolf]

As I've said before, McCain would be more of the same, nothing different from the present administraton. But another boring day is always preferable to a bulldozer coming through your wall, which is what Hilbama would be.

People don't realize just how much damage the latter two could do. Hillary with her nanny-state strangling grip, Obama with his asinine ideas about meeting with dictators without condition. And both would sign any raised taxes and push to take away your guns. Criminals would be victims and coddled, victims would be criminals if they fought back, just like the UK.

I do not want that to happen.

[xavier fremboe]

As posted elsewhere: 

"2008: Hold your nose or grab your ankles."

[Ex-MA Hole]

I'm seriously thinking about not voting because I don't think I want it on my conscience. 

As sad as it is, that's about where I am, too.

I don't view it as not exercising my right to vote.  I view it as exercising my right not to vote.  After all, it is (?) a free country, right?

If voters show up in record LOW numbers, I think that you send a strong message, no?

[Bogie]

I think that one of the problems regarding 2nd amendment issues is that this time around we negated ourselves.... We had 10% going toward He Who Should Not Be Named, 20% going toward Huck, 20% going toward Fred, 30% going in various other directions, and 20% that was buying the Democrat's line of "any Republican is bad, so stay home."
 
"Gun people" -were- the second largest voting block in the country. Now, we're just rabble, wandering around the arena.

[HankB]

If voters show up in record LOW numbers, I think that you send a strong message, no?

You sure do - it will tell both parties that they can run - and get elected! - complete schmucks . . . and they only have to hoodwink a fraction of the population to do it.

They don't care if turnout is low.

They don't care if you don't vote.

They only care that their schmuck gets elected.

[Ex-MA Hole]

I think that one of the problems regarding 2nd amendment issues is that this time around we negated ourselves.... We had 10% going toward He Who Should Not Be Named, 20% going toward Huck, 20% going toward Fred, 30% going in various other directions, and 20% that was buying the Democrat's line of "any Republican is bad, so stay home."
 
"Gun people" -were- the second largest voting block in the country. Now, we're just rabble, wandering around the arena.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Silver Bullet]

We had 10% going toward He Who Should Not Be Named

A lot more than 10% in the Firing Line polls.  Closer to 65% after Fred dropped out, about 35% before Fred dropped out.

If McCain is the nominee, I'll have to vote for him because of potential Supreme Court justice nominations.  And, I think he is much more likely to veto a new AWB.

I haven't read any reason to vote Dem this election.

[Scout26]

I've been mulling this over also.  Maybe a Hilbama presidency is what this country needs.....



To hit the reset button.




What was it that Jefferson said about trees and patriots ?

[Manedwolf]

I've been mulling this over also.  Maybe a Hilbama presidency is what this country needs.....



To hit the reset button.




What was it that Jefferson said about trees and patriots ?

Except for that Supreme Court nomination thing. Those stick around, and I don't want liberal judges.

[Paddy]

The OP might have a point were it not for the fact the current fiscal mess, record national debt, lowest dollar in history, highest gas prices ever, etc et nauseum are a direct result of 27 years of Reaganomics.

[Pew pew pew]

I think that one of the problems regarding 2nd amendment issues is that this time around we negated ourselves.... We had 10% going toward He Who Should Not Be Named, 20% going toward Huck, 20% going toward Fred, 30% going in various other directions, and 20% that was buying the Democrat's line of "any Republican is bad, so stay home."
 
"Gun people" -were- the second largest voting block in the country. Now, we're just rabble, wandering around the arena.

Maybe it was the fact that a lot of gun people, such as myself, are independents. Gay rights, ending the war in Iraq, and other "liberal" causes are important to me as well. Perhaps if the Republican party tried to reach out to what is obviously a large segment of the population - independent voters who don't stick strictly to either party line - then a Republican victory could be possible.

Look at these forums! People aren't excited to vote for McCain. People are, however, excited to vote for Obama. McCain is not going to win the presidency - and it's not because he isn't "conservative" enough.

[Tecumseh]

The OP might have a point were it not for the fact the current fiscal mess, record national debt, lowest dollar in history, highest gas prices ever, etc et nauseum are a direct result of 27 years of Reaganomics.

Hush... we don't need anyone bringing history and reality to the discussion.

Which GOP candidate was the most openly pro-gun?  Which actually introduced bills to reappeal gun legislation and current gun control laws?

[roo_ster]

I'm seriously thinking about not voting because I don't think I want it on my conscience. 

Ditto.

Things may change between now & NOV, though.

[grampster]

One can only hope...no...wait..ahhhhh *expletive deleted*it...

[seeker_two]

I'm subscribing to the same theory, but Hillary is shrewd and ruthless enough to wrench a second term out (maybe d/t some "national emergency"). Obama will just be a rubber-stamp shill for everything Pelosi and Reid send him from Congress. Take away the Congress, and Obama is powerless. In this, he's a useful idiot....

I voted Obama in the Texas primary (early voting) for this reason. In the general election, I'm voting for the best conservative I can find (probably Constitution Party).  And hope and pray that the GOP gets its conservative tail back in the game before they become Whigs......

[Balog]

The OP might have a point were it not for the fact the current fiscal mess, record national debt, lowest dollar in history, highest gas prices ever, etc et nauseum are a direct result of 27 years of Reaganomics.

As with so many Riley posts I can only  .

Remember, it's the fact that the heat is going up so slowly that keeps the frog happy. Americans get one look at the reality of socialist medicine etc and they will run, not walk, to whoever is gonna make it stop.

[seeker_two]

The OP might have a point were it not for the fact the current fiscal mess, record national debt, lowest dollar in history, highest gas prices ever, etc et nauseum are a direct result of 27 years of Reaganomics.

I would agree with you except that every President since Ronald Reagan has been working to undo the practices and programs he instituted......

Erosion happens in politics, too....

[Manedwolf]

Maybe it was the fact that a lot of gun people, such as myself, are independents. Gay rights, ending the war in Iraq, and other "liberal" causes are important to me as well. Perhaps if the Republican party tried to reach out to what is obviously a large segment of the population - independent voters who don't stick strictly to either party line - then a Republican victory could be possible.

Why the hell would the Republicans want to pretend to be Democrat Lite by "reaching out" to people they don't agree with? What would that do? The hardcore leftists would still vote for real Democrats, and the Republican base would be disgusted and lose interest. Which is what's happening.

I'm a Republican, and I don't think we should retreat from Iraq, nor do I think that gays deserve special status as a protected class for choices related to their sex life...they're not a race. I do not want the Republicans to support causes that I oppose.

Historically, Republicans (at least, historically) lowered taxes, supported 2A rights, and allowed for personal freedoms and personal entrepreneurship. Democrats raised taxes, wanted to protect everyone from themselves with a nanny state, obsessively tried to take away 2A rights every time they weren't watched closely, and tried to make government bigger and more intrusive, keeping people from rising out of their class through entrepreneurship, stifling the spirit of American capitalism.

I do not like Democrats. At all. I do not want Republicans to move more towards the Democrats' flawed beliefs and policies that I consider abhorrent and repugnant to American ideals. In fact, at this point, a lot of them are what I consider outright traitors to the Constitution. So I have no idea what you're suggesting, there.