New analogy, or, the only hope of the Republicans......

[MicroBalrog]

You need to wake up to reality. McCain is the Republican candidate. That is incontrovertible. Yes, it sucks, but all we can do is minimize the damage.

Where did I claim McCain was not the Republican candidate?

[seeker_two]

Do you have any argument in favor of McCain outside 'Hillary is worse'?

I'm interested in the answer to this question as well.....

[Manedwolf]

Do you have any argument in favor of McCain outside 'Hillary is worse'?

I'm interested in the answer to this question as well.....

Of course I'm not in favor of him, but there IS NO OTHER OPTION at this point. That is reality. Nobody is going to change the momentum of the political process this year, aside from choosing "bad" or "much, much worse" this fall. What part of that doesn't make sense?

Which would you rather have happen to you, if you have to have one of these two: to be punched, or be shot? You can recover from a punch much more easily.

[MicroBalrog]

Which would you rather have happen to you, if you have to have one of these two: to be punched, or be shot? You can recover from a punch much more easily.

See, here's a few points:

1. I'm not convinced Hillary is THAT much worse.

2. There are options.

Those of  us who are US citizens can either vote grudgingly for McCain, while loudly protesting every misdeed of his, or they can start fawning over him and talking about his record as a war hero, and so on, and not subjecting him to any criticism from the right at all

[Manedwolf]

1. I'm not convinced Hillary is THAT much worse.

Then I guess you don't own any "evil" guns. And you don't care if your taxes suddenly take a much larger chunk out of your paycheck for daring to not be a financially illiterate failure and trying to make something of yourself.

Socialists like Hillary and Obama want an elite few to be a nanny state for the ignorant masses, kept safely down in their class and on the public dole. They hate the idea that We The People can think for themselves...they think they know better. And will pass laws to that effect.

Unacceptable.

[MicroBalrog]

Then I guess you don't own any "evil" guns. And you don't care if your taxes suddenly take a much larger chunk out of your paycheck for daring to not be a financially illiterate failure and trying to make something of yourself.

And do you seriously think McCain, known for his compromises, will not bow down to a Congress if it'll demand these things - a ban on evil guns, or a bigger tax bill?

[Manedwolf]

Then I guess you don't own any "evil" guns. And you don't care if your taxes suddenly take a much larger chunk out of your paycheck for daring to not be a financially illiterate failure and trying to make something of yourself.

And do you seriously think McCain, known for his compromises, will not bow down to a Congress if it'll demand these things - a ban on evil guns, or a bigger tax bill?

Do you not think Obama or Hillary would use the presidency as a pulpit to preach gun control and get Congress to take action on it? You want to hear "we need gun control" in the State of the Union speech on all channels?

[longeyes]

Let's be practical: if we get through the next four-year Presidential term with our basic gun rights still alive and we haven't added two more screaming leftists on SCOTUS there might--might--be a chance to preserve the Republic...or create a new one.

It's always about buying time.

I don't like McCain much either, but if we get Obama or Clinton we should either resign ourselves to a socialist America or get ready for exile, active or passive.

[Paddy]

Here is the Republican's Great White Hope.  I think they're screwed this election cycle.

[MicroBalrog]

Then I guess you don't own any "evil" guns. And you don't care if your taxes suddenly take a much larger chunk out of your paycheck for daring to not be a financially illiterate failure and trying to make something of yourself.

And do you seriously think McCain, known for his compromises, will not bow down to a Congress if it'll demand these things - a ban on evil guns, or a bigger tax bill?

Do you not think Obama or Hillary would use the presidency as a pulpit to preach gun control and get Congress to take action on it? You want to hear "we need gun control" in the State of the Union speech on all channels?

What about hearing "we need more campaign finance laws"? "We need another Patriot Act"? "WE need more DEAATFFBISNAFU agents with more powers"? Or does the Constitution only have one amendment?

[Manedwolf]

Then I guess you don't own any "evil" guns. And you don't care if your taxes suddenly take a much larger chunk out of your paycheck for daring to not be a financially illiterate failure and trying to make something of yourself.

And do you seriously think McCain, known for his compromises, will not bow down to a Congress if it'll demand these things - a ban on evil guns, or a bigger tax bill?

Do you not think Obama or Hillary would use the presidency as a pulpit to preach gun control and get Congress to take action on it? You want to hear "we need gun control" in the State of the Union speech on all channels?

What about hearing "we need more campaign finance laws"? "We need another Patriot Act"? "WE need more DEAATFFBISNAFU agents with more powers"? Or does the Constitution only have one amendment?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Who else are you going to vote for? Obama or Hillary? What?

[RevDisk]

Here is the Republican's Great White Hope.  I think they're screwed this election cycle.

You know...  If I were into conspiracy theories, I'd swear both the RNC and DNC are trying their damnest to tank the election as they don't want to be left holding the bag.

Looking at the three folks in the lead?  They're all equally bad.  Sure, you could argue from now to election day on which specific point one is worse than the other, but overall...  I don't see were even one of them could even theoretically be considered "marginally acceptable".  I'm more than tempted to just write in "Screw all of you"

[johnster999]

I think McCain has a real shot. I think a lot of independents will see him as well qualified as commander in chief yet moderate enough in other areas that they can live with him.

[LAK]

Revdisk

You know...  If I were into conspiracy theories, I'd swear both the RNC and DNC are trying their damnest to tank the election as they don't want to be left holding the bag.

I agree, perhaps for different reasons. No one with a brain wants to be holding that bag, as fast as it is being emptied. I wonder who the sucker is going to be.

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[longeyes]

Which future President are we likely to have the most influence on in things that matter to us?  Ask yourself that.  With McCain there is at least some hope of restraining his worst impulses.  I don't see that with Hillary or Obama.

The key point is holding the Court.  If the Left gets a majority of leftists on SCOTUS the choice will be submission or open defiance of the "Rule of Law." 

[MicroBalrog]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Who else are you going to vote for? Obama or Hillary? What?

Do you deliberately avoid reading my posts?

[Paddy]

heh. 

[Paddy]

Is this guy storing nuts for the winter, or what?  By the end of this election cycle there will be so many goofy photos of him out there he won't be able to run for dog catcher.

[outerlimit]

There isn't much hope left for Republicans. They have become the other party of big government and global socialism. The I think with the nomination of McCain we can now officially say the Republican party has become a liberal party. Not that we couldn't already say that after the G.W.B. Presidency.

[MicroBalrog]

Because the Libertarian movement was pretty much taken over by people who want fields of pot and who see black helicopters behind every tree.

Boo-hoo the scary pot smokers!

Seriously people. What's the huge hang-up conservatives have with people who want to legalize pot?

[WeedWhacker]

Seriously people. What's the huge hang-up conservatives have with people who want to legalize pot?

They like big government nosing in on peoples' business, just so long as it's OTHER peoples' business. Hard to have it both ways, and it has bitten them in the ass time and time again. Sooner or later, we hope they'll just learn to let go of the desire to control others.

[Manedwolf]

I could care less about pot smokers as long as:

1. They were disqualified for ALL welfare and assistance. If they want to burn out their brain and become unemployable because they can't remember anything, go for it. But I'm not paying for them with tax dollars. They can expire in the gutter.

2. A test needs to be developed that works like a breathalyzer. Driving under the influence of pot is instant license revocation. I don't want to be rear-ended because someone with the munchies going to get snacks is too "relaxed" to notice that they're coming up on my tail at a stop light.

So sure. Legalize it. But if you use it, you're disqualified for all taxpayer assistance, disqualified from unemployment if fired due to lack of performance, and if you drive within 24 hours, you lose your license permanently. Fair?

[MechAg94]

I was thinking I had heard a couple of radio guys say that some polls show that McCain polls favorably with Clinton or Obama.  IMO, the election is a long way off.  Try not to buy into the media spin on all this.

The only reasons I see people voting FOR McCain is that he will likely keep up the effort in Iraq and Afganistan and he will more than likely select conservative judges if required.  I think Medved pointed out that even though McCain led that Gang of 14 deal in the Senate, almost all of Bush's judge appointments were approved.  He probably knows more about political wheeling and dealing than Obama and Hillary combined.  If that is good or not, you can decide.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you gonna apply your same standard to those who use alcohol? or is that ox a lil too close to home.  and how about nicotine?  wheres your line in the sand?

[Manedwolf]

you gonna apply your same standard to those who use alcohol? or is that ox a lil too close to home.  and how about nicotine?  wheres your line in the sand?

There are already laws to deal with those who drink and drive, if you hadn't noticed. Don't make up nonsense about "close to home", it makes you look foolish and desperate in your arguments.