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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2008, 04:50:08 AM »
. . . Take the amount of your mortgage payment (or trailer note as may be appropriate), and multiply by the months remaining.  Big scary number, eh?  How are you gonna pay for it?
Bad comparison . . . in the case of most people, the outstanding balance on their mortgage doesn't keep increasing every year the way the national debt does.

Neither does their income vary the way tax receipts do.
Nontheless it conveys the idea that comparing the total of future payments to current assets is stupid.
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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2008, 05:38:08 AM »
. . . comparing the total of future payments to current assets is stupid.

At the risk of being called a stupid little baby who can't read nor reason, I put forth that comparing future finacial obligations to current assets is a necessary component of sound financial planning and the calculation of net worth.

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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2008, 05:50:59 AM »
. . . comparing the total of future payments to current assets is stupid.

At the risk of being called a stupid little baby who can't read nor reason, I put forth that comparing future finacial obligations to current assets is a necessary component of sound financial planning and the calculation of net worth.

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You obviously were absent that day.

If my house is worth $100k and the mortgage payment is $1,000/mo then your logic would say that at month 101 I will be underwater and will continue to be so into eternity.
THat's clearly absurd, on many levels.
If you dont see that, then there is no point continuing the discussion.
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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2008, 08:05:59 AM »
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Nontheless it conveys the idea that comparing the total of future payments to current assets is stupid.

Weird.  I guess my mortgage broker was asking all those questions about income and assets in an effort just to get to know me.

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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2008, 11:06:55 AM »
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Nontheless it conveys the idea that comparing the total of future payments to current assets is stupid.

Weird.  I guess my mortgage broker was asking all those questions about income and assets in an effort just to get to know me.
I guess you didnt get the mortgage because you can't read too good.
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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #105 on: March 12, 2008, 03:18:37 PM »
So if 8.05% have defaulted then almost 92% are being paid on time.  I'd call that the vast majority.  Even accounting for delinquencies, it's still over 80%.

A huge part of the problem is the fraud committed by the ratings agencies. An "AAA" rating is supposed to be equivalent to "can pay as well as the US government". Problem is, that's not the case anymore. People, even ordinary people, who have cash in the financial system which is invested in bonds (this includes 401ks, many stock portfolios, bonds, and ordinary bank depositors whose banks hold "AAA" paper, which is just about EVERYONE) are holding the bag on this one whether they know it or not.

A bond sold by Deutsche Bank AG in May 2006 is AAA at both companies even though 43 percent of the underlying mortgages are delinquent.

Got that? An "AAA" bond whose sole source of funds for investors who bought "AAA" paper is 43% delinquent. Does that sound as though the bond will hold face value as long as the US government exists? How are investors supposed to know which bonds are good and which are trash? Well, check the rating... oh, wait, can't, because of fraud like this! The reason for all the turmoil is because no one knows where all the crap is, no one wants to get caught holding it, and the ones that are holding the bag are keeping their lips sealed tight!

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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #106 on: March 12, 2008, 04:10:40 PM »
How is your post responsive to anything I wrote?  It isnt.
Do you actually understand securitzation and tranches?
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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #107 on: March 13, 2008, 02:15:09 AM »
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It is useless comparing future liabilities to current income.
People predicted disaster from Reagan's deficits (those bifg scary numbers again).  Istead we had the longest period of expansion in history.  Only the DU and paranoid types could spin it as anything but a huge success.
It is useless to compare future liabilities with current income? DU and paranoid types?

Try taking that to a bank for a business loan; you perhaps get a polite short lesson in economics - or laughed out the door. One of the two. I'll settle for the second as appropriate in your case on this subject.

Oh, I will remember that "appeals to authority are useless in arguement" when other subjects pop up. I shall have to cut and save that one for future use - that's a real gem.  grin

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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #108 on: March 13, 2008, 03:03:24 AM »
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It is useless comparing future liabilities to current income.
People predicted disaster from Reagan's deficits (those bifg scary numbers again).  Istead we had the longest period of expansion in history.  Only the DU and paranoid types could spin it as anything but a huge success.
It is useless to compare future liabilities with current income? DU and paranoid types?

Try taking that to a bank for a business loan; you perhaps get a polite short lesson in economics - or laughed out the door. One of the two. I'll settle for the second as appropriate in your case on this subject.

Oh, I will remember that "appeals to authority are useless in arguement" when other subjects pop up. I shall have to cut and save that one for future use - that's a real gem.  grin

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You obviously just dont get it, do you?
We are not talking about an individual getting a bank loan.  Again, if your house is worth $100k and the mtg is $1k/mo then by yoiur reasoning bankruptcy will occur at month 101.
Hint, it wont.
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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2008, 08:17:36 AM »
I guess you didnt get the mortgage because you can't read too good.

I don't read too well.

Look, here's what you said:
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Take the amount of your mortgage payment (or trailer note as may be appropriate), and multiply by the months remaining.  Big scary number, eh?  How are you gonna pay for it?
No difference here.

You pay about 3x your house's price when everything is all said and done on a 30 year mortgage.  So because there's "No difference here" let's lop off a few zeros to make the numbers easier to understand for the 'tards like me.

We owe 53 trillion dollars.  Lop off some zeros and we've got $530,000 in debt... about the amount you'd pay on a 30 year mortgage for a $175,000 house.

We take in about $3 trillion a  year.  Lop off the same number of zeros and we've got $30,000 in income.

I realize that being illiterate I might not fully understand the phrase "no difference here" but if it means what I think it means, in that our debt, while big and scary, is just like a mortgage... well, I'm of the opinion that buying a $175k house on $30k a year isn't a good idea.  That doesn't  look like a situation I'd want to be in.

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Re: Ron Paul Wins
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2008, 08:59:26 AM »
Ok, this thread is WAY FAR afield from its original topic.

In fact, you need a map and a compass to navigate it.

So, feel free to start the subject in a new thread, but I'm going to shut this one down.
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